Crimewatch UK - March 1990

[@croqueGrec09]

45:00 Very nice! I always love it when someone left the archive videotape recorder running and we can see the closest possible way to look behind the scenes! Thank you very much for not cutting it off!

[@Starlord80s]

Andy JS. Thank you for the March 1990 episode.

[@ajs41]

Glad to help.

[@morpheoswarden257]

have you got march 1990 CULTWATCH

[@twitchygiraffe4636]

Those berni inn matches found in that handbag will be a collectors item now!!!!

[@dminalba]

Jacqui Hames' 1st appearance on Crimewatch UK

[@CARLIN4737]

Absolute fox. News of the World harrasment. Murder in the Car park. etc

[@HdHd-hp6qz]

Gorgeous

[@lw3646]

She, Nick and Sue were just the perfect team in my opinion. The show had so much quality back then.

[@CARLIN4737]

yeah and what an absolute sunday sport stunner she was....

[@CARLIN4737]

Beautiful.

[@ceet12]

Thanks Andy mate!

[@PC-lu3zf]

I was 9 then. Can’t believe I’m 40 now

[@katemissfilanpurrmcdevitt]

I was four Xx

[@julieteaston5829]

I know. I was 6 then. I’m 37 now and have a son who will be 20 next year. I don’t feel like a old person yet I have 3 kids two of whom are pretty much adults. Mind blowing.

[@UnderAGlassMetropolis]

I was two months in utero when this aired 😂

[@CARLIN4737]

41

[@CARLIN4737]

magic

[@thebeautymannequin]

Cannot believe how many of theses still haven't been solved, Carmel Gamble's murder remains unsolved, Wayne Taylor's murder was solved, Keith Burgess remains unsolved.

[@ajs41]

Terrible that they haven't been caught yet.

[@09weenic]

ohworldywoo hoo the UK is still a large country - it’s not like 60 million people are living in close proximity to each other

[@Thenorthsace]

@ohworldywoo hoo the UK is bigger than you think and how many unsolved murderers is there roaming around the states i wonder that are decades old

[@chapintweed]

@Sodham G'morris what is this claim based on?

[@domoreilly3887]

@ohworldywoo hoo If there are no witnesses, no motive and no forensic evidence that can be linked to anyone then how do you solve it?

[@matinhewing1]

Many thanks! Really appreciate it)))

[@ajs41]

Thanks.

[@rayoflight6505]

5.50 those fruit gums were a blast from the past lol that was the days when they were super hard and could pull your fillings out.

[@ajs41]

Can't you buy those these days? I used to eat them but I'd forgotten about them.

[@rayoflight6505]

@@ajs41 you can but they changed the recipe they are much softer now nothing like they used to be but still good.

[@Lushgirl81]

I remember eating them as a kid! They’d last ages because they took so much chewing! 😂

[@craigsmith8811]

I used to love fruit gums.The orange ones were shit though hahah

[@janettemohan5056]

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[@beausexon435]

I specifically remember the wine gums bit

[@Anotherrnumber]

weird how they always use the term "the last person to see them alive", when actually the last person would be the murderer.

[@ajs41]

Good point. Never thought of that before.

[@croqueGrec09]

I saw in some films considering this aspect when suspects answered for example: "I am not the last person who has seen the victim; that was the murderer!" or even policemen asking "Have you seen the victim at last apart from the murderer?"

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

Yes I was the last to see em alive. Left for dead.

[@TheBlackcular]

But we're all intelligent enough to get the general idea that they mean the last person apart from the murderer 😂

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

Hence the last to see them is the first pulled in.

[@carina914]

Did the husband kill Carmel? I imagine living with a chronic anorexic was very stressful? Very sad case with her sounding so lonely.

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

He would have been the first person they checked.

[@melinaesposito3434]

Anorectic? Not anorexic? What a sad ending to her life, if she'd known she could have eaten whatever she wanted. I suspect that she was a burden to the husband.

[@carina914]

@@treasurehunteruk9718 that doesn't mean anything though. He clearly did it.

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

@@carina914 He had to make sure he was somewhere else at the time. He could have paid someone else to do it, like Janice Weston's hubby.

[@abbiaca-3288]

Some people have a sexual fixation on women with anorexia so I wonder if that was the case.

[@LALakersNornIron]

I always thought and it's nothing more than that, a thought that Keith Burgess may have met his killer through his work. Keith comes across as the kind of man who could make conversation with anyone and was a very friendly man, maybe he struck up a conversation with one of his passengers that led to something else.

[@CARLIN4737]

He was also gay. So a casual liason with someone he hardly knew is also a possiblity.

[@LALakersNornIron]

@@CARLIN4737 Very true. Back in that day some people were very private about their homosexuality and it may have been an acquaintance or ex lover someone only he knew about. Plus I thought and its only a thought that the killer may have attempted to disguise himself with his wooly hat and glasses.

[@zeddeka]

​@@CARLIN4737sadly gay men were a more easy target back then. There was huge distrust of the police because they tended to be grossly homophobic (the law was also very homophobic back then and the police regularly used it to arrest men on the flimsiest suspicions). The end result was that gay men were very reluctant to go to the police to report crime because they either got a hostile response or were basically ignored. Sadly, that meant that a lot of offenders got away with a lot of things.

[@noellegunning3301]

The building society robber left behind a right haul of clothing!! 😂😂

[@gemmawatford7224]

Was nine nearly 10 years old, nearly 41 now!!

[@gemmawatford7224]

I forget to add was that age at the time of 1990/1991

[@CARLIN4737]

Nearly 42?

[@DO-zh5ol]

Wayne’s dad must think about not being in every day..R.I.P

[@CARLIN4737]

Who knows? He may not even be about anymore?

[@Purewood357]

Wayne’s dad had an easy come easy go type attitude…. He was a regular on electric Ave & cold water lane

[@23hublock1]

21:50 works out at 36p a litre.....which means about £17 to fill an average family car. I don't know how that equates to double decker busses or Olympic sized swimming pools though! lol

[@zeddeka]

36p in March 1990 is the equivalent of about £1.14 in January 2024 money. Not as cheap as it looks.

[@DeanBall75]

I believe we have located the missing episode, many thanks AndyJS!!

[@ajs41]

Nice to be able to help. Sorry that the quality isn't quite as good as on redcard74's channel. Let me know if there are any other missing episodes from the early years. I'm looking into 1996 at the moment because someone put a request in on redcard74's channel.

[@spike197047]

@@ajs41 that'll be me. Many thanks for uploading ep from 1996. I will watch it later this evening.

[@ajs41]

Unfortunately just noticed that the sound goes out of sync on the upload. I might have to do it again. I don't know why that happens sometimes but it's rather infuriating when it does.

[@DeanBall75]

What do you use for the conversion? I used MAGIX Easy Video Rescue, pretty reliable but BIG file sizes, although sound is always in sync :)

[@spike197047]

Sad that both the murders of Keith Burgess and Carmel Gamble still remain unsolved.

[@jimmorrison3756]

I used to have a major crush on Sue Cook back then she was so beautiful. 💖👌.

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

Crush on sue cook. Fkin good gear your getting.

[@adampedley2480]

Jackie 😀

[@Thenorthsace]

@@edwardburnsen-hicks2721 she’s better looking and has more class in her little finger than most of the little jaffa cakes we have roaming about the town centres these days.

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

@@Thenorthsace . Quality over vicky pollard or Lady Bucket. . I've little time for many or this country fact.

[@v3insoldi3r85]

@@Thenorthsace your a racist

[@misplacedkiwi9498]

Wow....Hamworthy beach. I used to live around the corner from there.

[@CARLIN4737]

Your officially a suspect then?

[@RgP1238]

William Howe from Incident Desk is also Unsolved. Wonder if they ever identified the woman washed up on Hamworthy Beach.

[@wearecity]

In a later programme, possible April 1990, I believe they said the woman had committed suicide.

[@gower23]

In 1990 we hadn't quite moved on from the era of fugly trainers by the looks of things

[@CARLIN4737]

Had to look up Fugly? Didnt even knew it was a word?

[@gower23]

It's been a word since the 1960s according to Google.

[@Compleme_Cunm]

Like all such fads, it has come back with a vengeance

[@ianshaw6922]

I wasn't going to have nightmares until you mentioned em

[@Davidnumber23]

bizarre world of crime fighting before the internet and technology hey. Shows you there are always some murderers walking and living amongst us tho.

[@ajs41]

Bizarre? I haven't thought of it like that.

[@Davidnumber23]

@@ajs41 yeah and more than any of us would guess I bet. Check Nick Ross's monitor out!

[@olegenie1007]

What the hell do u mean bizzare what are u David 12?????? Grow up crimewatch was not bizzare just because you have grew up with the internet

[@CARLIN4737]

Many. Many are dead and many in jail for other offences but so many unsolved every year,

[@Davidnumber23]

@@olegenie1007 shut up you old irrelevant fossil. lol....whine whine whine ...are you dead and gone yet ? learn to read and write if your still alive lol haha

[@martymcfly4654]

Does anyone know where I can find the episode with the Berkshire ripper case?

[@ajs41]

If you join the Facebook Crimewatch UK group, they'll probably know. The people on there know everything about the programme.

[@michealhand1001]

Hello Red card do you have the update for march 1990?.Thanks!

[@ajs41]

Sorry, no. I've uploaded everything I have so far.

[@TimmyTickle]

Was Jacqui sitting on a seesaw or rocking horse during Incident Desk? She seems to be swaying from side to side

[@xperia1ii755]

Maybe she was sitting on something hard or stiff? Where was David?

[@09weenic]

@@xperia1ii755 he was trimming his moosetash

[@CARLIN4737]

minx

[@SRlikethetoothpaste]

First night nerves, I’d say. She settled down on future appearances.

[@lw3646]

It's nerves. You should see Garry Neville's debut on MNF Sky, licking his lips, swaying from side to side, stumbling over his words. He settled down though and is now a brilliant pundit. Nick and Sue made it look easy but live TV isn't. Even a lot of hardened detectives seem to get nervous coming on TV.

[@davidjohn8795]

When they say they've got a new line of enquiry that they can't talk about it means they've got fuck all lol

[@CARLIN4737]

It means two callers said the first name Bob and are linking that to there investigation?

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

No it doesn't [necessarily]... It could be a line of enquiry that could easily identify a possible associate (grass), and so they don't wish to jeopardize their chances of a conviction by losing said witness. Police keeping their cards close to their chest.

[@DBIVUK]

Jacqui Hames's debut appearance - she's now campaigning for press responsibility after being a victim of the phone hacking scandal.

[@georgeminnit7645]

David JaCKqui hameS Poor woman haveIn her Very Own Phone haCKed Off JInx PriCK DoCtor Phone haCKer PIerS MorGan warPed bäStärd who Couldnt ManuP 2 DoCtor Jeremy ClarKSon, PIerS IS borrowed TIme

[@meggriffin94]

she is beautiful

[@nathaniliescu4597]

Happy to spy on others as a copper but hates it when it happens to her. Sad.

[@hannahjames3180]

@Hazjaym Morgan Yes, Dave Cook. It all ties in with Daniel Morgans murder and News International - why do you think Rupert Murdoch shut down The News of the World? Side Fillery ( convicted of possessing paedophilia images and had fostered kids) and his mate Jonathan Rees were suspects but cleared of Morgans murder. Morgan was a debt collector. They tried to say it was the husband of the women he was involved in an affair with. Rebekah Brooks ( Sun editor and thicko) accused Cook and Hames of having an affair until somebody told her they were a married couple. Meanwhile Brooks was found to be sleeping with her deputy editor behind Ross Kemps back. The Sun newspaper and many who have sailed in her are lower than low when it comes to standards

[@CARLIN4737]

Yah check out The Metropolitan police Zionist Republic of Brethren in Croydon heavily implicated in the Axe car park murder. Still unsolved.

[@Outlier777]

Even back then, it was the usual suspects...

[@AbbasAhmed-wl8bu]

The actors in that jewellers robbery must have had the most fun ever

[@marklittler784]

Good idea to produce these episodes in different languages especially if they take place in certain areas.

[@fintytin5771]

Cheers for the missing ep !!

[@ajs41]

Thanks for your appreciation.

[@davidedwards6807]

Sue Cook gorgeous 😍

[@CARLIN4737]

Shes 73 now>?

[@kevincallaghan3212]

She was fine bck in the day

[@tezdryden9009]

do you have november and december 2005 and january 2006? cheers

[@ajs41]

Not yet, but I'll upload them if I get hold of them.

[@tezdryden9009]

@@ajs41 thank you, loving these i'm watching them from the beginning, my second run of them, you and redcard have done good work :)

[@SandySkinner29]

I swear virtually every single murder I've seen on Crimewatch from the Avon/Somerset area is unsolved except for Roy Page, which eventually was thanks to a Crimewatch viewer miles away in Portsmouth. Chief Wiggum must be running that force.

[@interstat2222]

They caught Cannan for Shirley Banks and it's believed Christopher Halliwell was responsible for the American artist found in the woods.

[@almadavis8274]

Why don't you offer your TIME/service then they will all be cleared up . BTW, many get solved as they always tell you which have been solved on this show or Crimewatch update. Maybe they save it for Crimewatch update instead of posting elsewhere.

[@Sheriff_GrimLaw]

Vincent Tabac? x

[@caeglas1]

Yes very true and they seem to have more than their fair share of cases . Maybe cos Bbc had major hq in Bristol . Very few murder cases in Manchester and Liverpool

[@09weenic]

@@caeglas1 if you are looking for a robbery case then the scousers are the ones for that

[@brainbaskerville3341]

i love jackie haynes she so perfecly beautful

[@fraser_mr2009]

The Carmel case is very sad. Still unsolved. Sounds like money was the motive. Whoever killed her wanted money.

[@CARLIN4737]

Hundreds? Thousands of murders go unsolved?

[@CARLIN4737]

Going back to 1536?

[@korzer]

Money? It was a frenzied attack by someone with a lot of emotion and anger. Doesn't fit.

[@SeasiderPhil]

Cheers Andy 👍👍👍👍

[@Thenorthsace]

Sue ❤️

[@johncook496]

@29:50 - Florida Phil! Did they ever catch him?

[@annamarielewis7078]

Do they still have stewards on trains in England?

[@Peter-ix1ym]

They have what we call a train guard, but they’re gradually being phased out sadly. I think it’s vital to have for security reasons

[@domoreilly5147]

@@Peter-ix1ym Isn't a steward the person who does the food and drink?

[@Peter-ix1ym]

I guess so, but they only have them on a long journey now. Trains are very expensive now in England

[@domoreilly5147]

@@Peter-ix1ym Too right they are.

[@misplacedkiwi9498]

Yeah, we do! Where are you living?

[@lyndaburn6428]

Poor Carmel weighing under 5 stone. The psychiatrist couldn’t pronounce anorexic at all. Sounds like he was saying anorak tic. A sad case.

[@StewSpaull]

"Anorectic" means the same but it has fallen out of use.

[@lyndaburn6428]

I never heard of that even back in Karen Carpenter’s Day.

[@ajs41]

Language does change over time. Gas used to be pronounced "gah-s" by a lot of people in the south of England, and plastic was "plah'-stic".

[@lyndaburn6428]

Andy JS true. It’s like a lot of pronunciations here in Ireland. I just had not ever heard it pronounced like that before. Thanks for educating me!

[@BlytheWorld1972]

yes i heard that too ...

[@colewinters5954]

Anyone have any info on the murder of Wayne Taylor?

[@brettwells4621]

Love jacqui hames x

[@BlytheWorld1972]

The first story was sad ...

[@joshuaferguson698]

BlytheWorld1972 you’re sad

[@09weenic]

merge m8 you are even sadder you dick

[@09weenic]

BlytheWorld1972 yes very much so . The man with her in Rumbelows must be the prime suspect

[@CARLIN4737]

your face makes me sad

[@CARLIN4737]

1971. Get your thumbnail changed.Now.

[@davewhitehead8601]

Michael Williams, also involved in the Stephanie Slater kidnap.

[@duncanharris6303]

Dit supitd was funny being stoned and when he spoke 😂😂😂

[@tharealmikezee3165]

Haha... 22:30 These robbers seem kinda comical at this point! Running around like Firemen from •Farenheit 451•

[@jupitorious7925]

Disappointed with Sue's hairstyle

[@CARLIN4737]

Wtf

[@piotrgadowski3506]

Jacqui! How hot! :)

[@CARLIN4737]

Absolute minx.

[@Compleme_Cunm]

38:09 Rail companies will use any excuse in relation to a delayed train.

[@zackjones800]

I was a cell in my dad's body in 1990

[@user-tz8kz1cl3i]

Thanks for that mate cheers

[@gjthomas9770]

Bloody hell when the robbers burst through the door l spat out my chicken korma in fright!

[@edwardhicks2499]

The jewelery Robberies were A1.

[@WillC1528]

Anyone been arrested/convicted for the Keith Burgess murder yet?

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

He had a very kind face. None of these murders have been solved, thirty years later, scary.

[@CARLIN4737]

Never be solved. Probably some drifter passing through who had no links to him at all. But met in the pub or on the train or a gay liason with somebody he just didnt know.

[@golgotha3938]

@@CARLIN4737 I’m guessing a gay escort or someone he met for a liaison in the gay clubs etc.

[@olegenie1007]

The husband's had her done in by the looks of it , sad

[@marklittler784]

Disappeared with a million in foreign currency bet he's never done it before !!!😅

[@samcarr2373]

Thought the thumbnail was holly willouby🤣🤣

[@misplacedkiwi9498]

That poor Keith guy. I’m so glad attitudes have changed towards homosexuality 🌈

[@CARLIN4737]

Have they?

[@tharealmikezee3165]

17:05 "...and keep away from SW 9!" -tippa irie "rate me"

[@gujh03]

Is anyone else searching to see if these cases have been solved ?

[@ajs41]

I've done that a few times, but usually I struggle to find any information.

[@CARLIN4737]

All unsolved.

[@paulmurphy122]

The old fruit gums

[@berniegreen]

Always preferred the Pastilles!

[@danw1374]

@@berniegreen Same here, and were better when they were a bit warm in the pocket.

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

Big slab of Dairy milk I used to have watching all the mad. Good the other week do you recognise these men all had daft masks on ..

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

Fruit gums diet lol.

[@etherealdreams7936]

A Dentist's dream.

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

22:53 🤣🤣🤣 23:09 😆😆😆 Hilarious! 😂

[@MaddSteppa2024]

Imagine if they did that to you, would you still be laughing?

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

​@@MaddSteppa2024I suppose that would depend upon whether or not they made those sounds as they were coming and going! Only joking. I think it might actually have benefited the jewellers in one way - certainly more publicity, but also humour for those who could see the funny side of the noises the robbers were making. Gotta see the funny side to serious things *_once_* in a while I suppose...

[@MaddSteppa2024]

@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 If that’s the case lets do what your username says ☕️🫖

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

​@@MaddSteppa2024I concur! 🙂

[@McIntyreBible]

5:25, I could never understand people like Carmel who willingly starve themselves,while others in places like Africa seek frantically for something to eat!

[@AACE73]

It's not about starving themselves. Yes that is a symptom, but eating disorders are very complicated. Even the ones where people over eat.

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

​@@AACE73there's no such thing as {a disorder}. You are correct that the manifestation of the suffering can present itself as not eating [properly to satiate ones' appetite] - however the suffering itself...what led to it [being a potentially irreconcilable matter given their personal circumstances], is what requires making good, in order to desist the manifestation from continuing. Once the underlying cause(s) have ALL been substantially addressed to the sufferers' satisfaction, then no cause exists for such a manifestation to remain present. The sufferer will be *cured,* in other words.

[@leeorr9071]

Fred west killed that women in her flat with rose west !!!!!

[@DanWhoResells]

What?

[@leeorr9071]

@@DanWhoResells the truth

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

Carmel Gamble? Highly doubtful. Doesn't match their MO.

[@HdHd-hp6qz]

Fruit gums 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@twitchygiraffe4636]

The last person to see Carmel alive was probably her husband who murdered her! (Sue me!!!!)

[@olegenie1007]

Yea defo the husband's had her done in by looks of it

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

@@olegenie1007 He would have been the first person the police checked. He was a composer and in London at the time. He could have arranged it, I suppose.

[@lukewilly]

30:05 me stosh

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

I love all the robberies an murders. I've just sorted my wine gums into uniform order.

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

I love all the robberies an murders. I've just sorted my wine gums into uniform order.

[@olegenie1007]

Why?

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

@@olegenie1007 . Need to get a grip mate. Nipper Reid detective you lol. Painful like always people are...

[@olegenie1007]

@@edwardburnsen-hicks2721 me need to get a grip? A poor woman lost her life and you are on here making light of her habits ya fuckin knob

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

@@olegenie1007 . Fk me a keyboard hardcase with an oxford english book of words an spelling. Less you have anything to say to my boat and I doubt you would go an cry over some woman you never knew. Get back to 2facebook with your insults. Divs like you wouldn't say boo to fox or goose and no job to go to or qualifications so now jez kyle is over and you can't sit for your mensa exam you look for someone with your IQ of 80 an below to pick a fight with. People get murdered every day and no wander why half the time. Don't forget your sun newspaper or leave your betting slips in the pub. 🤧

[@Peter-ix1ym]

Nothing wrong with having a bet, let’s just get that straight