Cripps Shouldn't Have Won The Brownlow Medal

These are my opinions only. I believe that Patrick Cripps was let off from his hit on Callum AhChee due to a technicality. I believe that the AFL will change the rules around the Match Review Officer, the AFL Tribunal and the AFL Appeals Board so that this never happens again. A player should not be let off from a technicality when it results in another player being concussed.
Timeline:
0:00 - Patrick Cripps wins the Brownlow Medal
1:07 - Junior Rioli vs Matt Rowell
2:31 - Paddy Ryder vs Will Day
4:11 - James Rowbottom vs Zack Merrett
4:56 - Marlion Pickett vs Dylan Moore
5:27 - Patrick Cripps vs Callum AhChee
6:00 - What is a reportable offence?
7:08 - Reportable Offence Table AFL
7:22 - AFL Comments and my comments
8:20 - What happened in the AFL Appeals Board?

[@Joe-fi7qz]

Comes back to the old saying 'hate the game not the player.'

[@holdingthebull]

I thought the saying was "don't hate the player, hate the game" but yes I understand what you mean

[@SKIPPAFC]

Just sharing my opinion, no judgement, but I think crippa was looking at the ball and he didn’t have much time to react to change his mind, great quality video tho 👍

[@thepoliticalloser]

It still is careless conduct and is the type of stuff that the AFL needs to stamp out.

[@holdingthebull]

I can see both sides. But just because you are contesting the ball doesn't give you the right to take someone out. It's very hard to determine what is the right call here

[@iycjesus5326]

@@thepoliticalloser physical game mate stuff like that will always happen cry harder

[@SKIPPAFC]

Also Crippa doesn’t seem like the kind of player to intentionally do that stuff

[@iycjesus5326]

@@SKIPPAFC facts

[@bradwalkeden306]

I don't like seeing a player get concussed, however you can't suspend players because they accidentally hit someone head high when you are going for the ball. Most times it is when their head hits the ground. As you can see Cripps had eyes for the ball and actually made contact with the ball. You can't expect a player to stop going for the ball in midair. At the tribunal they expected him to make a millisecond decision and they take 4 hours to come up with a decision. There are too many inconsistencies in the tribunal that they need to correct. I think it is great that Carlton beat the tribunal at this, and I hope other teams will follow until the AFL get this tribunal suspending the right players that are just going for the man.

[@holdingthebull]

I can almost guarantee that the AFL will change the ruling around this in this years competition. I don't see this happening again.

[@Lucas_Cactus]

could u blame carlton tho? The judge fucked up the tribunal and carltons lawyer pounced on it. And he did play his heart out in that final game. This is coming from a carlton fan so u may call me biased but personally i think that he should of been banned but it was the poor system that caused the flame.

[@holdingthebull]

They definitely stuffed up! That's why I was saying you have to be careful about what you say around lawyers

[@aucata8816]

As much as i believe Cripps shouldve been suspended for his hit on Ah Chee, he was the best player imo, he was also robbed of a few votes, it was in the first 3 rounds but he had 30 and 3 and didnt get a vote.

[@holdingthebull]

He definitely should have polled in the first round. But there were also times I don't think he should have. But hey... the AFL love the drama and controversy

[@ZirraTheGamingKaiju]

I mean, Ah Chee ended up missing a handful of games due to concussion, so I don't know HOW Cripps didn't have his suspension stick, given the MRO are sticklers for punishing the outcome and not the act itself. Not only that, but Lachie Neale (in my opinion) was robbed of a few votes in big moments ... unfortunately, it comes across like the Brownlow is scripted, especially if you watch the Final Round in isolation as the votes are read out, and each player contending for the Brownlow are ruled out. Not a coincidence they were read out in that order.

[@holdingthebull]

Yea that's exactly right. They knew the results before they read them which they apparently "didn't know". Which is a load of you know what. They did it for the suspenseful finish. What a load.

[@rtmachine2019]

Well 4 umpires are arrested for betting on the Brownlow

[@holdingthebull]

1 umpire and 3 non umpires wasn't it?

[@rtmachine2019]

@@holdingthebull I thought it was four that is what I remember hearing on the news but I could be wrong

[@liamireland1974]

i dont know how to say this as a carlton fan but just say thats lachie neale instead of crippa or anyone in the comp i think it was a fair overturn, but whats not fair is the match review system they arnt consistent at all which is why this further helps my reasoning for the overturn. hate the game not the player

[@holdingthebull]

It definitely isn't consistent and that is the most frustrating thing that we currently face

[@RBsports12]

I love the last line of the video "These are my opinions only" bruh anyone who watches, plays or follows AFL and saw this play said it should've been a suspension everyone who follows AFL had the same opinion as you, He shouldn't of played the last to games and he definitely shouldn't have won the brownlow. Great video once again keep up the Golden work.

[@holdingthebull]

Thanks RB appreciate the comment man

[@lukec9402]

Excellent analysis Keep up the good work You can be confident my friend, you have a good voice and great footy knowledge. Speak up and keep going 💪

[@holdingthebull]

Thanks for that, I appreciate it Luke

[@terrysowter4798]

I don't think there would be one single club that wouldn't contest this charge. It is in anyway Patrick Cripps fault that the AFL cannot take full responsibility for the overturning of the suspension. The big problem is that there is no fairness in that Match Review process. To prove the point, Ed Currnow gets two weeks for touching an umpire, Dustin Martin and Lochie Neil grab the umpires and guess what "Nothing to see here ". Marcus Bontepelli swings his arm knocking Ed Currnow out cold " Nothing to see here". Dustin Martin actually punches opposition in the throat and no action taken by the umpire's and players punched in the throat spend weeks out with the injuries caused. So if you can explain to all in sundry how this is happening, I for one would love to hear it. So instead of planting click bait do your due diligence and get to the heart of the problem not the easy out.

[@lucasperri8974]

I love you

[@holdingthebull]

I can't comment on the other incidents that you have listed but I think I have put together a pretty fair argument as to why he shouldn't have won. Not exactly click bait when I back up my arguments?

[@lucasperri8974]

@@holdingthebull you definitely backed it up and I liked how you pulled each bump apart, but I think you also have to add Cripps had eyes for the footy and arms out to mark it the footy. Otherwise great job

[@Sauraus1]

@@holdingthebull he’s just a salty Carlton fan

[@lucasperri8974]

@@Sauraus1 how can I be salty when he won the Brownlow 😂😂

[@BrockDButterMan]

This is great mate. Well made. I love how you’ve pieces it all together. All I have to say is footy nowadays is too soft. Most of these examples are just bumps to let the player know the oppositions team won’t back down. Still find if funny Carlton had the Brownlow winner and the Coleman medalist and still couldn’t make finals haha

[@holdingthebull]

Definitely strange that they won both the medals but miss finals. I think Fyfe was the last to do it in 2019 but they didn't win the Coleman then

[@Lmclean89]

that's so bullshit that it isn't a suspension. Honestly.

[@holdingthebull]

It was an absolute joke

[@GameOmaticAlt]

Great vid

[@holdingthebull]

Thanks mate, appreciate it

[@el-violador]

Great analysis mate. Cripps is one of my favourite players who doesn't play for the team I support. I like him as a player but he had no realistic attempt at that. Not trying to hurt him but was too negligent for my liking

[@holdingthebull]

I agree. There is still the duty of care to players while contesting the ball

[@el-violador]

@@holdingthebull for the sake of curiosity,what were your thoughts on this bump a couple seasons ago? kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppLLh3yue7Jpp5I Given we're both as biased as each other I'd like to keep my opinion (and ultimately comparisons to Cripps) until after

[@holdingthebull]

First thing I would say is that everything happens so fast. Slowing it down doesn't really help as it makes the decision time look slower. I think Mackey left the ground to contest the ball slightly. Probably should have gotten at least a week (I haven't googled this yet). I think any contact that is with the head, whether it's intentional or not, should be sent to the MRO for review. Your thoughts?

[@el-violador]

@@holdingthebull results off the top of my head we're 2 weeks but with an appeal the suspension was dropped. Clarke earned a broken jaw for his efforts and missed a fair bit of footy. My opinion is that it was right to go to tribunal and be dropped (though I could live with a week as setting an example). Mackay had eyes on the ball and importantly for my point his arms were outstretched. Mackay or Clarke were both at risk. Mackay just used a better technique (turning so that you're not leading with the head). There is also the point that the ball was legitimately in no man's land. The reason I like this as a comparison is that watching Cripps, it's almost the opposite on all counts of how I defend Mackay. His shoulder is tucked for impact and Ah Chee was between Cripps and the ball (meaning Cripps has to go through him to get the ball). If I was in Cripps's position I likely would do the same thing. To me it's a professional free kick gone wrong. He's trying to prevent a run on play by stopping a clean mark, allowing a chance to zone up and force high kick rather than a direct one. I can't stress enough that I don't think he wants hurt anyone. He just rolled the dice by playing the man. To me he should have lost and therefore missed 2 games (and missing those votes) making Neale the outright winner and not just default due to suspension

[@holdingthebull]

Yea I do tend to agree. I have seen some media say other players who have "won" the brownlow but missed out due to suspension. This doesn't fall under the same case as Cripps as he only won it in the last game where he realistically shouldn't have been playing in the first place.

[@RBsports12]

Yes Finally, someone is making a video on this, it was a rip off he shouldn't of had a chance

[@holdingthebull]

My channel has taken a hit. I guess a lot of Carlton supporters don't like this and are unsubscribing too!

[@RBsports12]

@@holdingthebull Yeah the Carlton supporter base is crazy, the first video I had cross 2k views was actually the highlight of This Callum ah chee hit and ever since any video i make with carlton in it crosses 1 - 2k views quickly.

[@royrp_edits]

Amazing vid!

[@holdingthebull]

Thanks for that, appreciate it

[@andrewmcglashan5385]

Patty Ryder just stoped after Sam day kicked the ball and he ran into him so I don’t agree with that

[@Stoody.]

Anyone who thinks Cripps deserved the Brownlow is not all there in the head. Not only should he be suspended for his dog act on Ah Chee but he also was no where near the best player of the 2022 AFL season. Not only do AFL rig the results of matches these days but they also rig the Brownlow. This has been happening since Gillon McLachlan took over as CEO and the reason he hasn't resigned yet is because he is trying to make sure the match fixing continues long after he is gone. The Brownlow can never be taken seriously again and neither can results of AFL matches.

[@HashBearInc]

A lot of theories but zero actual evidence

[@Stoody.]

@@HashBearInc There's plenty of evidence on my channel.

[@thepoliticalloser]

Agreed until you started saying the AFL rigged matches. Bro, you need to get over the Brisbane loss.

[@Stoody.]

@@thepoliticalloser AFL is rigged and you know. It's people like you that deny match fixing is the reason why the AFL is corrupt. There's evidence all over my channel that the AFL is rigged.

[@thepoliticalloser]

@@Stoody. Mmmmm, are you sure it's evidence? Or are you blind?

[@Alvilos]

I'm a Carlton supporter and I personally think he didn't deserve the brownlow. He is a great player but I don't think he was the best that year. But I think trying to find consistency from the AFL or MRO is a crazy endeavor personally

[@holdingthebull]

It definitely is almost impossible to get consistency. He had an alright year but he wasn't in my top 4. Oh well!

[@q3ess]

It looks like mills pushed robotom

[@holdingthebull]

Definitely could have, but the Tribunal didn't see it that way

[@liamkendrick8726]

It's was a big contest and collision. It's football, play on.

[@holdingthebull]

It is a part of footy but there still has to be care for the opposing player

[@garycabbinets]

Facts

[@holdingthebull]

Appreciate it Karl

[@bomberwarren]

Cripps should have been a free kick.

[@holdingthebull]

You really think so?

[@alwaysblue2572]

Bud luck for your feeling, what ever you say he won it Carlton won it

[@Stoody.]

You're obviously a biased Carlton flog.

[@alwaysblue2572]

@@Stoody. yes I am I tell what we going to win the flag 🏆 with in three

[@alwaysblue2572]

@@Stoody. years

[@Stoody.]

@@alwaysblue2572 Lol funny joke.

[@holdingthebull]

Fair enough. Everything I have stated here is my opinion only

[@TheLaughingMagpie]

The MRO are weak, remember when Hipwood got away with pushing Ryan Gardner into the umpire

[@holdingthebull]

I do remember that, I think he got let off cause there were not cameras that showed that specific incident which looked pretty clear to me

[@lucascaserta1]

Salty as

[@SKIPPAFC]

@@frustralia4293 we don’t just rely on crippa??? Did u see the teamwork this year, Corey durdin and Jesse Motlop are small forward guns, Lewis young and Jacob write ring are some of the best backliners along with Saad, and we have plenty of star midfielders such as Walshy, Hewett, and others. But I do agree, keep the Brownlow coming 😂

[@cuesportclips11]

@@SKIPPAFC that’s why you finished 9th xD

[@SKIPPAFC]

@@cuesportclips11 very original

[@cuesportclips11]

@@SKIPPAFC that’s why you finished 9th bro xD

[@holdingthebull]

I don't think I'm salty. It's also unusual for a Brownlow medallist's team to not make the 8.

[@lucasperri8974]

Surely you guys can move on like seriously he won, deserved it and wether he should of been suspended is history

[@holdingthebull]

I have moved on. He won it, but maybe not fair and square.

[@marlojenkins1740]

Have a cry mate

[@holdingthebull]

Hardly crying mate

[@BrisbaneLionsPremiers2023]

that caused him to miss 4 weeks from concussion recovery

[@holdingthebull]

Yea it's ridiculous isn't it

[@BrisbaneLionsPremiers2023]

@@holdingthebull keep up the great work though and merry christmas 🎅

[@mkp1625]

some opinions are best kept to your self. I don't think shit like this will help your channel.

[@holdingthebull]

Each to their own I guess. I don't care what club it is. I'll call out the issues as I see them.