Crisis Core - Genesis & Sephiroth meet in Nibelheim

I just wanted to isolate this scene, since I've not found video of just this scene without the scenes before and after it. It's my favorite between Sephiroth and Genesis.

[@dantespimp]

If any lessons can be learned from this scene it's certainly this: don't talk shit about anyone's mama. You may inadvertently trigger the apocalypse.

[@dantespimp]

***** Of course Jenova is NOT his mother. 9_9 But he was built from Jenova's cells. Sephiroth has Jenova's DNA, making her as much a part of him as Lucrecia and Hojo. Furthermore, Sephiroth was told his mother was Jenova. So as far as HE was concerned, that was his 'mama'. And lastly... this was a joke. I didn't think I had to put citations or references in a joke over Sephiroth's mother. Sheesh. relax. Have a Snickers.

[@dantespimp]

***** Honestly, while Angeal found redemption and Zack stayed the hero, Genesis isn't better off than Sephiroth. People forget Genesis murdered his step parents. He sacrificed the group of SOLDIERS he took with him during his defection, making them into clones with Hollander's help. And it was Genesis' pride that started this whole mess in the first place. Not only did this hot-headed jerk shoot a fireball right into Angeal's face during their three-way fight, but when Angeal intervened later, Genesis' own attack backfired and caused his fatal wound. The 'Goddess' cured Genesis only because she demanded him to redeem himself - hence, why the Goddess looks at Genesis disapprovingly. Genesis knows he fucked up. He isolates himself from the world, sleeping in some cave of wonder out of guilt. Genesis only awakens from his slumber when he senses the world might need him after all. He wants to redeem himself, restore his SOLDIER honor, and amend for his sins. So no, Genesis isn't in a happy place like Angeal or Zack. He has a long way to go before finding redemption. As for Sephiroth... his path isn't complete. I find it similar to Darth Vader's. Even more, Sephiroth actually achieved his personal dream. He becomes a God - an entity that is forever tied to everyone and everything (which is a big deal for him since years of isolation led to abandonment issues). I can even argue his actions indirectly saved the world. Keep in mind, Gaia was already going to hell due to mako over-consumption. Humans were sucking the life of the planet. The end of the world was going to happen no matter what. However, when Sephiroth entered the picture, several things happened. One, Shinra (the all powerful giant) finally met their match. And two, the desire to stop Sephiroth unified many diverse forces (including Shinra) that wouldn't have cooperated together otherwise. In bringing Sephiroth into the fold, humankind finally realized how precious the Planet was. I don't think it was a coincidence that the rise of Sephiroth happened during the Planet's own crisis. I compare the events of FF7 to the biblical Apocalypse event. For me, Lucifer stands as the Executioner while God stands as the Judge. The Four Horsemen help clean house prior to Lucifer's arrival. In FF7, God is the Planet, the Four Horsemen are the Planet's Weapons, and Lucifer is Sephiroth. Through Aerith's sacrifice and Cloud & company's actions, humankind proves their worth. As a result, the Planet answers Aerith's prayer, the Lifestream emerges, stops Meteor, and everyone is saved. That Sephiroth keeps returning even after defeat suggests he plays a much greater role in the whole cosmos. Where there is Yin, there is a Yang. He is that yang. So in this sense, it's hard to feel bad for Sephiroth. If his destiny is to challenge people and become the God of Death, then you could argue he finally achieved his lifelong dream: he's become one with everything. :)

[@dantespimp]

***** That's the thing, Genesis was already a jerk before degradation happened. He shot his own best friend (Angeal) right in the face with a fireball. :/ When Angeal attempted to intervene *again*, Genesis still went after Sephiroth, which resulted in the wound in the first place.

[@dantespimp]

***** I think we'll agree to disagree then. I felt Genesis' character was weak and inconsistent. The creators could've come up with a better catalyst for the events that didn't require him. Yet, because of Gackt, they felt obligated to give Genesis the spotlight in Crisis Core than to someone else. I mentioned to you already in another comment (you seem to always reply to my comments, by the way... O_o) that Angeal would've been a perfect alternative. When Genesis got cured, I felt the game essentially rewarded a spoiled brat. Sephiroth had more redeeming qualities than him. Even in the original FF7 game, Sephiroth showed compassion - he gave Cloud permission to see his family. He also acknowledged that leaving a man behind was cold but knew the mission had to move forward during the bridge incident. He spoke highly of Dr. Gast and freely explained the nature of materia to Zack. And it was evident that he envied Cloud for having a hometown - a sign Sephiroth cherished emotional ties. Even in his downfall, Sephiroth wanted to avenge the Cetra (despite not knowing Jenova wasn't a Cetra). The issue with Sephiroth is that he cared intensely; a little *too* much in fact. :P In contrast, Genesis was only out for himself. He wanted to be the 'hero' but let his jealously with Sephiroth get the best of him. Then he got wounded and it all went downhill from there. Yes, Genesis got his 'wish' - stopping the degradation. But that doesn't make him a 'hero'. Only Zack qualified as the hero in the story. Genesis only stopped his degradation. Even then, it came at a great price. Therein lay the irony. He got his wish but lost everything, including his two best friends. Sephiroth's own fall could've been prevented altogether had Genesis not been a dick and simply stuck around. But Genesis *and* Angeal abandoned him, making Sephiroth completely vulnerable to Jenova's influence. This is why I don't like Genesis that much. He receives a cure for his disease. But what did he do to deserve that cure, aside from being responsible for everything bad that's happened afterward? It would be one thing if Genesis learned from his mistakes. But the game compilation ends with him finally awakening from his seclusion. We got Gackt grinning like a madman and flying off with ominous words. Nothing in that scene indicated a humble man who learned from his mistakes. But whatever. It is what it is. Perhaps after FF7's Remake, they'll do a better job at establishing his character. :P

[@dantespimp]

***** You're only mentioning the redemption arc for Genesis only *after* I mentioned it though. XD You yourself said he was a 'hero' and lived a happy life after he got his cure, stating his dreams came true (while Sephiroth was destined to be damned 'forever'). Now you're flip-flopping your previous statements based on what I said and believe he was punished? O_o I'll resume my stance and simply say Genesis was never punished for his crimes. While his punishment comes from within (through self-infliction), no one makes him answer for his sins. Rather, the Goddess *rewards* him with a cure and leaves Genesis the choice to redeem himself (it's a choice, not an obligation). If the Goddess needed to save anyone, she should've saved Sephiroth. By the way, Dirge's theme song wasn't intended for Genesis. Not only was the Genesis scene a minor special cameo, but Genesis' own story arc hadn't been decided on until *years* later, when CC came out. This is why Gackt's scene is so ominous, dark, and somewhat sinister. At the time, no one knew if Genesis was a good or bad guy or his personal story. Previously, you made a point about Genesis serving a vital role in being the catalyst to the events. But you also mentioned (in these comment and in others) that the theme of friendship is the reason why Angeal and Genesis are also needed in FF7 canon. I agree. However, with the theme of friendship also comes its consequences. By that, I mean the consequences of *abandoned* friendship. The same ties that bring three men together ironically destroyed them when they became unglued. For Genesis, he abandoned Sephiroth to seek a cure. For Angeal, he abandoned Sephiroth because he thought himself a monster. But no matter the reason, the results were the same for Sephiroth: they betrayed him. It's important to remember Sephiroth suffered from abandonment issues (no mother, no father, and the only surrogate guardian he had - Dr. Gast - left him before turning up dead). It was a *big* deal for Sephiroth to place his trust on anyone. Angeal and Genesis were the only two he let into his private life; they gained his trust. When they abandoned him, they broke that trust and only made Sephiroth more reluctant to let anyone else inside his heart. This is why Sephiroth shouts 'traitor' a lot (first, referring to humans as 'traitors' and later to Zack in their fight). As I said before, Sephiroth cares intensely. Not only did Shinra betray him but so did his best friends. By the time Nibelheim happened, Sephrioth was an emotional wreck; a walking time-bomb. Having been abandoned by Angeal and Genesis, and forced to confront his origins, Jenova became his new light during his time of distress. Sephiroth sees himself in Jenova. The entire human race betrayed Jenova (back when he thought she was a Cetra), so he can relate to her frustration when his own friends betray him. It's actually worse (and more damaging) that Angeal abandoned Sephiroth. He was the one redeeming character that taught Sephiroth the importance of honor and dreams. When Angeal abandoned Sephiroth, not only did he betray his trust, but he also demonstrated how *expendable* honor and dreams were. Sephiroth realized all of the things he sprouted was bullshit. If Angeal couldn't abide by what he preached, why should he? That's where Sephiroth is coming from and why it made turning to Jenova that much easier for him. People perceive Sephiroth as this super villain, but really, the lack of connections and breaking of important bonds could destroy anyone; whether you're a bishie villain or a high school student. This is what I meant about the consequences of friendship. You can't only look at the positive gains. There are negative ones too. You can't argue that only Genesis' presence served as the catalyst when, really, Angeal did as much damage. After all, Angeal's inability to stick by his convictions/principals actually led to Zack's own death. Angeal took the easy way out in having his pupil kill him as opposed to weather out the storm and help Zack in saving both Cloud and Sephiroth. But Angeal chooses death instead. He isn't strong enough to accept his origins and, therefore, forsakes everything he stood for. Only Zack (optimistic colorful Zack) is able to remember his nobler intentions. In the end, Angeal and Genesis served as the last thresholds of Sephiroth's humanity. Dr. Hojo, Shinra, and even Dr. Lucrecia and Dr. Gast all contributed to Sephiroth's downfall. But it was his own best friends that became Sephiroth's final straw.

[@rizzierizriz]

Genensis needs to read "How to ask your friend to help you without triggering the apocalypse 101" ASAP

[@starvoltnexus3139]

Or the version for idiots

[@ruki4585]

😂😂😂

[@LadySatya]

The crux of this scene "Genesis stop, you're not the main villain here. I am."

[@chocobotaxi4506]

Sephirot had a very weak sense of self from the beginning, never allowed to become a person by the company, Hojo, everyone who used him as a weapon hell, even his fan club. Then it was weakened by the betrayal of the only two people who had ever seen him as more than a science experiment or a weapon (excluding puppy boi over here), and then completely shattered by one of these two people. It's no fucking wonder he went cuckoo, let's be real. Like, real-life people with such a weak sense of self are barely able to human, and it's very easy to shatter their Self and build it back into something else, and that's what happened to Sephiroth. He had no way of fighting the mental breakdown and probable influence that Jenova must have used on him. Sephiroth's story is a tragedy, honestly, and Zack was just unlucky enough to be caught in the middle of all of this bullshit. Also, it'd be easy to hate Genesis for it, but his sense of self was shattered too, and Hollander took advantage of that. Genesis is not without blame but he was a victim too

[@GrvndMvsterVssvssin]

Mmmmmmmmmm, this hit me.

[@8Phoenix8]

If only he knew his mom was actually human.

[@vinnied6064]

genesis, i love you man, but god DAMN couldn't you be a bit nicer about it? The two of them were friends once upon a time, I get that there was some jealousy but what I don't get is why he had to be so damn HARSH! If he were nicer about telling him I bet that Sephiroth would've been fine with it within a few days.

[@eriksigalraven8340]

+Tahnee D'Cruz no one was noce to sephiroth

[@elisabethacronqvist7859]

+Tahnee D'Cruz actually,the only problem Genesis had here is his bbbbbbbiiiiiiiiigggggggggggg mouth.seriously,he just didn't knew when to shut his mouth up.

[@eriksigalraven8340]

it is zack who actually talked crap about wings/average soldiers e t c - he always treated seph as crap and contemted him, harmed him, disparaged him and was sure sephiroth would be patient about this forever

[@noeldomingo93091]

+Eriksigal Raven story line, sephiroth is against shinra. cloud with out knowing protecting shinra

[@beefypanda88]

I wouldn't say friends more like work associates. And being blunt is better than beating around the bush. But yea they werent friends.

[@rugilockk2708]

Again good point, Sephiroth was always looking for the truth and in finding it drove him mad.But his collapse into insanity was a very very slow collapse that took over his life

[@thiaulric9053]

Gene is such a lil drama momma, I love him way too much

[@megakazuya123]

2:27 😂😂😂

[@velvet_victor]

I love how they kept almost exactly the same dialogue from the Kalm flashback in the original.

[@Raglandguy]

I always get the feeling that so much could have been avoided by just talking. How many times in history would simply talking have avoided tragedy?

[@edikajmolli997]

That is probably the best cut scene the Square Soft/Enix ever made.

[@rasdan1192]

1:17 Did sephiroth also experienced the same "memory flashes" that cloud has?

[@sarahelizabeth4379]

I think that was more shock and horror plus a bit of an existential crisis over being a hybrid

[@ZeldaLover6]

I think it’s Jenova trying to get into his head as he is in emotional distress from this shocking revelation and thus possibly mentally vulnerable to invasion. (I believe this is before he eventually overpowered her mentally.) Clouds deal is the Jenova stuff messing with his head too.

[@DarkMirria1]

It’s Jenova’s migraine powers.

[@GrapesOfEld]

.___. I was reading your comment at the same time as listening to the video..... I started to say "Share your cells with me" and oddly I said it in perfect sync with Genesis without realizing he was about to say it.

[@brokenlordofcinder2519]

We now know who to blame for later having meteors come down from the skies

[@MattCamp_]

I hope this ends up in the remake someway or another

[@Nilbop]

god this just fucked up this once cool scene

[@klowexodar]

Here after beating the remake.... Nomura dit again

[@michaeledwards1644]

Soldier 1st Class Sephiroth

[@mischievousone9999]

sephiroth senses fireball: does not warn zackzack is sent flying after fireball hits himsephiroth calmly blocks the attackzack: WHY DIDN'T YOU WARN ME!sephiroth: sorry, I guess my reflexes must have gone soft from being spoiledzack....that was years ago thoughsephiroth: sorry, I was busy with my side hobby, you know the one, my whole commanding general of a global superpower.just something I do in my down time, you know because i'm so spoiledzack: OKAY I GET IT!!!

[@BillyBob_McSanchez]

You kids these days hating Micah and Abby. Back in my day, I hated Genesis because this scene alone is what fucked over Zack to an inevitable fate

[@mello-0341]

*GOSH DARNIT GENESIS, YOU COULDVE JUST SAID HELP ME OR SOMETHIN*

[@edalmirneto4246]

Vídeos que precedem momentos antes da desgraça acontecer:

[@hyhhy]

Nice educational points, I agree.

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

Share you cells with you.......right.....ok then......well i need some beer.....a lot of beer

[@jonathanhernandez4976]

Could we do some slimey time limey and eliminate Genesis before he was created? I think Sephiroth would of been better off...hell the planet would of been better off.

[@jonathanreyes3249]

Project serpent and project genesis

[@tikiappleseed4022]

What song is playing when genesis is explaining to sephy?

[@Ninebreaker92]

So, judging from this, Sephiroth's downfall was truly Zack's fault. o.o

[@mediadetective6104]

The worst scene/retcon in all of the FF7 spin offs (or at least high up on the list)

[@ragegamer1642]

Nope

[@epictetus2032]

A good example of an unnecessary addition just to give consistency to a badly written character

[@Settowin]

This is not canon.

[@jefthereaper]

Genesis: "Yo mamma a monster" "Also, help me" Sephiroth: Yeah... No.

[@cameronjr8]

Bayonetta: If you need to learn how to talk to a lady, ask your mum. Sephiroth: (getting PTSD Vietnam flashbacks) Mother... (proceeds to crying) 😭 Bayonetta: Hmm... I can be your mummy. Sephiroth: (hugs Bayonetta)

[@Shiruvi]

'Share your cells with me' damn genesis at least ask him out to dinner first

[@ExistentHope]

He could have just plucked one of his hair strands

[@edalmirneto4246]

Genesis is a bad b***h?

[@ericstaples7220]

Genesis is hoping to get a meal by him sharing his cells.

[@queena.reversa]

Existent David 🤣

[@Doggo2004]

Lol

[@Therealgibz]

If only zack hadn't said "but what about you?" Lmao

[@GSSAGE7]

It's not like Sephiroth wasn't already leaning towards it. He already knows there's a difference between him and the "average" SOLDIER, so eventually he'd ask the same follow-up question that Zach did, "So I'm different from Zach, am I like these monsters?"

[@Therealgibz]

@@GSSAGE7 yeah probably but zack wouldn't have died shortly after this is what I mean. This is the tipping point that leads to his death via shirna grunt army

[@gordonchell4364]

He f*cked up.

[@kaileenaalexandros7269]

if only Genesis wasnt such a jelous rat....

[@tallestred8245]

@@Therealgibz technically he died 5 years after this

[@thatvampireenthusiast]

This might have ended far better if Genesis had lead with "hey, I need your help" as opposed to "hey, you're a monster".

[@starvoltnexus3139]

Myrna Maeve It also would’ve ended much better if he knew who his actual birth mother was I think he knows that whole Joe is his father and is forever ashamed of that

[@bobbydeuce6486]

Things would’ve been better for everyone if zack just kept his big mouth shut, rather than low-key suggesting that Sephiroth may have been created like the monsters in the pods

[@starvoltnexus3139]

Bobby Bridges Well that’s true but I’ve seen cases were keeping your mouth shut because of horrible horrible things for everyone involved hello master Yensid

[@loregasmic]

@@starvoltnexus3139 his name spelled backwards is disney

[@BigBoss-gb4cx]

He wanted to destroy Sepiroth.... And he succeeded

[@yuujitheestallion]

There was something incredibly raw about Sephiroth's delivery of "You will rot."

[@Mystrohan]

It’s a literal death sentence delivered in three words. And man, does it hurt.

[@jcast39atmsn]

I think that Genesis expected Sephiroth to become like himself in control accepting that he was born a monster and defecting like Angeal with grace and control. I didn't think Genesis knew the fragility of his psyche and that he would go insane

[@user-ko3sd9qj2h]

Hmmm maybe. I think it at this point Genesis was too self absorbed to worry about his brother.

[@jerryesque3747]

Idk man, genesis, angeal, and sephiroth all went crazy in there own way. They learned they were monsters. Its messed up.

[@UnknownHero_MarthFDS]

Genisis knew sephiroth was a skillful smug soldier and a monster that wouldn't degrade because he was project S, Genisis was a bit jealous of that which is why he didn't stop fighting sephiroth in the training grounds he wanted to become a hero but knew he was shortly starting to degrade and thanks to the jenova cells not being compatible with project G he went mentally insane its sad, after a severe mental/emotional shake-up angeal and genisis would start turning into monsters from the jenova cells that were not compatible with project G. Genisis knew angeal would degrade because they were both from project G the reason angeal had a white wing is because he kept his honor but was having a mental issue due to the jenova cells, Genisis had a black wing was because he went mentally insane but most importantly because he killed innocent people and the jenova cells.

[@TLStr1ker]

Favorite Sephiroth line ever: "Whether your words... are lies created to deceive me... Or the truth... that I have sought all my life... it makes no difference. You will rot."

[@nobodyspecial9097]

Genesis wasn’t just asking to be healed, he was asking for immortality. And no matter the outcome or the truth of Genesis’s words, Sephiroth had no intention of ever giving such a gift to someone he saw as pathetic, regardless of the benefits it could provide him for doing so. Genesis understood this immediately. Stating that only a true monster would deny it self, just to deny another. Sephiroth is the truest of monsters, he would destroy everything if he thought it necessary, including himself.

[@kaileenaalexandros7269]

@@nobodyspecial9097 seriously men? Sephiroth? He did the correct thing: not help a person who only wants to hurt him for his own benefit

[@gordonchell4364]

@@kaileenaalexandros7269 Yeah, despite what the game wanted us to think, Genesis was scum. Regardless of his problems with Shinra, he still betrayed both of his friends and mocked them over their issues while acting like he was such a tragic figure.

[@edDbalaM]

lol at the end.... Sephiroth die like shit ! and genesis was saved by his beloved goddess Jaque mate

[@elizabethchint2391]

Saved by his beloved goddess that rejected him? Sit tf down, lastly Sephiroth didn't die, he's immortal now and your red boy could never hold a candle to him. Lastly it's check mate, you loon.

[@sedlyholmes3722]

Genesis : you're a monster Also Genesis: my friend help me

[@isaacngjunhan2180]

Genesis actually wanted to convince Sephiroth to rebel against Shinra by telling him the truth of his past but little did he know tht it didnt turned out well like how he managed to convince Angeal. I still get your joke btw

[@christianlopez707]

@@isaacngjunhan2180 Its also possible that the Jenova cells inside him aren't letting him think straight.

[@chinesecovidanalswabs4752]

LOL

[@Anzeer1stclass-A1ST]

@@isaacngjunhan2180 genesis had said sephiroth to become someone who bring life not someone who bring death

[@Genesis4119]

3:20 Zack: Genesis, no! Genesis: Genesis, YES!

[@dsantistevan99]

I see you're a man of culture as well

[@reynsbasement2654]

Cell: Genesis, no.~

[@chantinoire]

I know this is a sad scene, but I can't help but laugh at Zack being yeeted across the room while Sephiroth doesn't even budge 🤣

[@khfan4life365]

Poor Sephiroth...Genesis was such a dick to him. No one deserves that. :(

[@maxwelllaurent9065]

LOL Zack with the tact of a 2 yr old, Sephiroth : "this thing has more mako energy than you and may not be human" Zack: "are they monsters?" Septhiroth: "wow dude, im standing right here"

[@BornotB-xi6kg]

Genesis: lol bro you're a fucking monster, btw can you help me? Sephiroth: have you noticed how you don't appear after this game.

[@MidnightRaziel]

i would love if someday we somehow got to see an return of this Sephiroth, sane i mean. To see an expansion of him, like this part of him fighting against the cruel one he becomes, or maybe like a "What if?" story where he realizes he's not truly a monster, he was infused as well, just with Jenova cells, but continues to be the great soldier he is, fighting for good. That'd be rather interesting.

[@Stoffer5500]

Maybe one day, we will ^^

[@mohabalserafe3795]

@@Stoffer5500 that day might come much sooner than expected

[@derleonator2232]

In that scene you can see, how underestimated Genesis's character really is, I mean, he is the most responsible for sephiroth´s turn to the evil side just by telling him the truth about his origin

[@FoxyWhispers]

Im not a smart female by any means. But sephiroth knocking the apple out of genesis's hand is a clear symbolic indication of rejecting temptation aka Adam and Eve. That's a little insight into what Genesis is.

[@jayralph7165]

@@FoxyWhispers genesis is not pure evil he is just hopeless and that apple is not dangerous

[@loregasmic]

@@FoxyWhispers Yeah, instead of taking the apple he drops a whole meteor on the Garden of Eden.

[@gadrielvanorion9872]

i think you could say he was... the genesis of sephirophs turn to evil

[@The_Gallowglass]

Well, half-truths. He is the product of the S-Project, but Jenova is not his mother. He wasn't born in a vat. He is human, or rather was human.

[@KALABUR]

My reaction to this entire scene 3:20

[@carrotpl]

*_GENESIS, NOU_*

[@majinsawdust64]

Same

[@CrimsonKunoichi777]

LOL I cant take this seriously with Zack being back handed by Sephiroth and put on fire by Genesis! xD

[@christywendel3327]

I had to go back and watch Zack get lit on fire many times. Hilarious.

[@FoxyWhispers]

Genesis is a troll lmao, fuelin' that fire, Sephiroth's *that is* ....

[@KALABUR]

3:20 Lol 😁

[@alisonx4977]

no matter what happens... I still can't bring myself to hate Genesis or Sephiroth... but I hate hojo n hollander...

[@aryaeliadel3094]

same for me

[@MrIKicker]

Zack getting blown passed the screen like that was always the funniest thing to me

[@ono_o_o]

I like how Zack is like ''Genesis, no!" And then Genesis proceeds to talk faster

[@Errrmmm]

3:45 Thats a...odd reaction to a title, to his own title no less. Snap to attention much? Feel like that was shouted at him a lot when he was little, used to keep him in line :(

[@lefthandrule638]

Yeah the way he straightens up, looks forward, makes it seem like that phrase has become instinctual to the point of automatically inciting call to attention

[@NoName-xg5xn]

Is Genesis's jacket also aging/degrading?

[@Soki7000]

A lot of people dislike this scene because they added Genesis but I kind of like it, he gets more of a rise out of Sephiroth than if it was just him alone with Zack. We see more of Seph's emotions here than just the disbelief and shock we see in the original game. We get to see his anger and bitterness, not just towards his apparent "creation", but for Genesis and his betrayal of their friendship. That "You will rot" line always gets me.

[@47LilAnt]

i like it too make more since

[@Ruosteinenknight]

It will be interesting to see if this gets another take on Remake. I heard that makers consider Crisis Core as canon for purposes of this game, even if we have 4 different versions of this same event(they have few different details, but end is always the same). This was the most recent one, and boss battle especially takes lot of inspiration from "Last order" anime: dialogue between Zach and Sephiroth remains largely the same as does boss battle coreography(all though extended of course for gameplay reasons). kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6HQiGqoadJ4nJI

[@barubary218]

Newborne absolutely nails the delivery of the "You will rot" it is to this date my favorite Sephiroth line. Of all the recast members while I think the new Superman is a fine choice for Sephiroth. I think Newborne will always be the best english Sephiroth. Also I too prefer this iteration of the scene

[@kaileenaalexandros7269]

and the pain in his beautiful eyes ....

[@carloss3499]

Thing is it really could've been played better. I like it but it so ugh in the writing.

[@rosedragon3498]

I feel bad for Sephiroth...this was all hojos fault and Genesis didn't care about anything else other than the gift of the goddess at this point the jenova cells really got to his head

[@EvelynL.1112]

averyspecialdog e I agree, I feel really bad for Angeal too. If Genesis didn't rub the salt in his wounds, Angeal wouldn't have killed himself!

[@sylviagodsmith6957]

I wish lucrecia had married Vincent instead of hojo! Sephiroth was a good man, he deserved a better life cuz at first he did good, but what did he get in turn?

[@Callsign_Kishin]

For real. Fuck hojo so much. I hope he rots in fictional hell.

[@yungbreezy36]

@@Callsign_Kishin He's there with Sephiroth.

[@user-wy1et9dk9w]

I mean.. genesis was dying, it was kinda now or never lol

[@rugilockk2708]

In a manner of speaking Sephiroth's already fragile mind was a variable,Zack's Incompetence,and Genesis's Silk tongue all lead up to the Sephiroth we know today

[@SuperMophie]

Worst part: Angeal died

[@opticalraven1935]

Genesis, look man, if you are going to ask a guy for his Gene's, at least take him to dinner first.

[@KimikoAiri]

How would Zack be at fault? He was just as confused as Sephiroth was since it seemed that he knew nothing of the experiments either.

[@iFeelGlee]

The presence of genesis bullying Sephiroth like a tiny chihuahua tries to bully a larger dog helps show why Sephiroth became so insane. Imagine working with someone as overdramatic and insufferable as Genesis every day and you'll have to go insane.

[@FernandoAlvarez-mp6wp]

They were good friends, don't exaggerate.

[@azraelangelofred]

Genesis is suffering a tragic fate. But his narcissistic and sadistic behavior makes it hard to ever feel pity for him. He is cruel to Sephiroth and takes some kind of sick enjoyment in it. Bitter that he was never on Sephiroth's level... In any sense. And then the raw ego to think that Sephiroth would join his side and help him.

[@FernandoAlvarez-mp6wp]

I don't see it that way, they were friends. I wanted Sephirot as well as him and Angeal to turn against Shinra by telling the truth. He ignored that it would end up aggravating Sephirot's emotional and mental instability produced by his childhood and how manipulated he had been. And of course, he was not very tactful.

[@azraelangelofred]

@@FernandoAlvarez-mp6wp I respect your viewpoint but I do not share it.

[@loregasmic]

Genesis: *starts a fire* Sephiroth: Hold my mother's head

[@semja]

Meanwhile, Zack just tryin' ta be a good guy.

[@adamandom]

4:46 "Your destiny... is to give them T H I S P E A R"

[@MrsJasmyn45]

What genesis doesn't know is who sephiroth's REAL mother is. And he doesn't know who his father is and neither does sephiroth. Because if you listen to hojo in the original game he says "I'm helping my son, although he doesn't know I'm his father"

[@auliareski]

I know it's like 5 years late, but I wanna ask when Hojo said that, did Hojo say that with certain or bit affection to Sephiroth like what father should do to his son? I don't play this game but I've been wondering so yeah 😥

[@auliareski]

I wish Sephi knew a bit about Lucretia and he wouldn't go mad like duh creating all these mess

[@Settowin]

@@auliareski no affection at all.

[@creamcreak]

@@auliareski nah. He only saw Lucretia & their son as guinea pigs for his experiments

[@ryanrick6443]

Aulia In the original FF7 when you parachute back into Midgar you have to stop Hojo from firing the main canon. It’s there that he tells the party he is Sephiroths father.

[@KAMProductions]

5:02 some of the greatest lines in video game history.

[@LordEmperorBoss]

Sephiroth really does deserve his own game.

[@drawyarts5494]

Ikr

[@cameronjr8]

He becomes playable in Smash Bros

[@TheEternalSweetooth]

@@cameronjr8 🤮

[@worldnews2660]

Sephiroth first Class soldier

[@ExcaliburGames23]

"Share your cells with me" That sounds wrong on so many levels...

[@chiyo-chanholocaust8143]

Sephiroth spit on my mouth dude

[@TsunaXZ]

Sperm cells lol

[@juniorjenova]

it's called an anvy,my friend. Genesis allways knew that Sephiroth is stronger,smarter and more handsome than him.and these things allways pissed Genesis off.

[@voltex12345]

"Your traits cannot be copied onto others" "share your cells with me" Wait what? No one can get anything from you, give me something

[@christianlopez707]

I think it's more along the lines that Angeal and Jenova can pass on their genes unto other beings, morphing them to look like them. Sephiroth on the other hand doesn't have this ability so Genesis thinks he is safe if Sephiroth shares his cells with him him.

[@CNep99]

George Newbern's work in this scene is so excellent. I've seen it a million times and his delivery, especially on the lines "this...this is not what I meant." and "you will rot" gives me goosebumps every time. Really a shame about Squares decision with the remake

[@Astrumplayez]

Seeing Zack just go flying then seeing Seph just block it with one hand is priceless. lmao

[@FoxyWhispers]

Good reflexes, Sephiroth.

[@senatorarmstrong9459]

That was never the case genesis, he was implanted with jenova cells while still inside lucretsia's body, after hojo convinced her to get pregnant by him, which hojo manipulated her, and used her to achieve his goal of making a supreme being, which he succeeded, but he was a shit father and only seen his son as an experiment, and not as a human being that he should have loved, nothing more, nothing less than an experiment that went right when it comes to all the physical factors, and a means to an end.

[@kaylabear4696]

Jeez Genesis couldn't you have at least tried not creating doom for the whole world

[@fatmaisktekbas3503]

So Genesis made Sephiroth go Psychobunkers and be an overpowered douche of a villian.... GJ Genesis... you've created a Monster... Well not really created.. more like, awakened the Monster inside of the Hero.

[@fatmaisktekbas3503]

***** Genesis The Sephirotiser. I like the title, give it to him. o3o

[@eriksigalraven8340]

+Yunus Tekbas its more suits to zack

[@fatmaisktekbas3503]

***** That denial scene was sad though, I thought he died from the way they animated it... rofl. #Deniedbythestream #ForeverAlone #Deniedbypantsugoddess

[@fatmaisktekbas3503]

***** You remember when Genesis saw that woman dressed like a Goddess surrounded by the Lifestream? She just closed her eyes when he attempted to reach out to her, her look literraly said ''You've fallen low...'' as she turned away and dissapeared. The following scene was Genesis (seemingly) falling into a pit of darkness, though it may be that the Lifestream was just flying away/scattering, it really did seem as though he fell into pitch-black nothingness. Looking back, when I first saw the scene, I thought Genesis died then and there... but he died a bit after. That would have been a sad way to kill him regardless, I'm glad he died after writing the last part of that diddly-darn book, Loveless.

[@fatmaisktekbas3503]

***** To me, he kinda is... him coming back in Dirge of Cerberus was hype.. but I see it as one of the unnecessary resurrections. I mean when one of your best pals is dead, another is turned into a crazy psycho, and you're pretty much rotting away.. what's the point of living? lol. I get the villain thing, but Genesis should've stayed down.

[@SmollKat94]

Genesis you meanie, you're pretty much the caticlyst to what turned Sephy all crazy. I know all Sephy wants is to know the truth and his reason for existence but I think with Gen going awol and revealing that he was infused with Jenova's cell while wording it to make Sephiroth as the perfect monster led him to believe that was his purpose. If Gen hadn't done that thing's could've turned out differently. But poor Seph's already been filtered out by the creators to be the bad guy ;(

[@halfdaebak]

but you gotta keep in mind that Genesis isn't in his right mind, the Jenova Cells degraded the body and the mind. Poor Genesis isn't really in control of his actions. 🥺

[@EricToTheScionti]

Did Genesis really just try to give him DIS PEAR?

[@DarkMirria1]

An apple.

[@Markov_Productions]

I MISS GEORGE NEWBERN SO MUCH!!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭 Fck Square Enix….

[@shockwavethewarlock]

Dang it genesis you just broke his mind

[@azurithdetwilight]

Actually I find that it makes things make sense. I mean why would Sephiroth assume he'd been created the same way? It seemed like pretty crazy logic to me until I saw this.

[@TheRealVincentValentine]

Genesis turned the emotional knife deep into sephiroths disbelief . So both hojo and Genesis caused the niblehime burning in the background. Proof that Genesis runs things in the background of final fantasy VII

[@muhhamadavdol3781]

Before Sephiroth started doing it, Genesis gave Sephiroth Dis Pear

[@Mystrohan]

I realize that Genesis is a tactless dumbbell and that Sephiroth is hurting to an unimaginable degree. I would have helped him anyway.

[@slchi6144]

why is everyone such a trashy friend in this damn series. YALL HAD ONE JOB AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN DO IT

[@halfdaebak]

"share your cells with me" Genesis, honey, there are better ways to ask someone to get you pregnant-

[@cupidvity]

why would u assume that genesis is a bottom

[@litepaw7]

Damn yaoi fans....

[@idiom2805]

Feels weird seeing sephy not go immediately stab happy around other people. Like, seeing a baby in a crib next to a docile lion. You don't know when, but you know it's gonna go really, really badly soon.

[@KimikoAiri]

Watching this scene makes me want to smack Gackt just because his character was the melodramatic asshole that made Sephiroth lose his mind. (For those who don't know, the J-Rock/Pop singer Gackt was used as the physical model and Japanese voiceover for Genesis). It seems that Gackt like playing these parts anyway

[@ycleptubi8935]

Genesis was the genesis of Sephiroth's descent into madness.

[@havod8101]

1:10 Oh goooood job, Zack!

[@havod8101]

+Kowareta Ningyo It seems his question triggered the whole "Fuck everything" thing...

[@havod8101]

***** Those like Cloud, I suppose... Not sure if there's actually been shown any other 1st Rank SOLDIER members than Sephiroth, Genesis, Angeal and Zack...

[@eriksigalraven8340]

+Dovahguiin zack hated him and envied him

[@KimikoAiri]

Just to add, Gackt is actually one of my favorite singers alive, but I cannot stand Genesis for anything!

[@AspieMediaBobby]

Wait,could Genesis`s cell degeneration and Sephiroth`s headaches be considered the first signs of Geostigma?If that`s the case,then that implies the Cells eventually lead to the stigma whether they`re diffused into The Lifestream or not.

[@kirara2516]

Oh wow! That's a very good point! Never thought of it that way before. As a FF7 writer this idea intrigues me. :)

[@TsunaXZ]

@@kirara2516 you're a writer?

[@kirara2516]

@@TsunaXZ A hobbiest writer, not an official one for the company.

[@inesatt1313]

Can we just give some well-earned credit to George Newborn panache performance in Sephiroth's breakthrough and Rick's along with Genesis's😍❤

[@2691983]

This scene was so perfect. Sephiroth gaining realization iof the truth *cue intense piano* man genesis really screwed him over

[@datdude5886]

Ow, my eyes hurt...those 240P.

[@MariusBoss11458]

I get what Max said about this "Genesis tells him everything instead of Sephiroth driving himself crazy to find it himself" but that actually happens. Adding Genesis here isn't bad. He tells him about Jenova and then Sephiroth goes into the mansion to find out by himself if Genesis' words were true or not.

[@worldnews2660]

Genesis didn't exist in original FF7 ps one right?

[@MariusBoss11458]

@@worldnews2660 Of course not. Though I don't know what I meant by "but that actually happens"

[@kalimbalove1912]

I genuinely can't fathom if someone find Genesis likeable. What makes him likeable? I've played the OG Crisis core, and I always get the feeling that both he & Angeal do not really consider Sephiroth as their best friend. While Seph was willing to go against Shinra's wishes to not chase & destroy them, cause he sees Angeal & Genesis as his only friends. If you find Genesis likeable, you might see yourself in him in a way I guess?? a bad friend and a petty a$$hole.

[@abookamongsthemanypj7140]

Zack destroyed Seph with a question.

[@mezzovii]

someone give sephiroth a hug, maybe help him find a therapist

[@mas8705]

1:12- Good one Zack! From that one question, Sephiroth is about to invite the whole town for a BBQ!