DM Pretends The Players Have Choices... Then Gets Angry PART 2

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[@Rebell-mi4zu]

Oh hey, some people say that this story is made up, do you think that as well?

[@Barterylane]

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[@hunterrhoades1813]

JOKES ON YOU!!!!! I have more than 100 hp.

[@Saturnfanboy]

OP: Magic has never been my thing Me: But... you played a bard... with mostly utility spells.

[@caiusdrakegaming8087]

Combat magic was likely never his thing. I mean he did start in 3.5, did bards honestly get much in term of combat spells back then? Honest question there, only familiar with 5e's style.

[@Nildread]

He didn't know his bard spells well either.

[@northernsoul6895]

@@Nildread I think the Tiny Hut showed us that

[@Nildread]

@@caiusdrakegaming8087 I'm pretty sure bards weren't even classified as full casters back in 3.5.

[@caiusdrakegaming8087]

@@Nildread Yeah. I never personally played that edition, but I rarely hear anyone talk about bards from back then, so I get the feeling they were originally just a support class back then. That means no spells that only the full casters used to get, or at least they didn't have access to all that many if they even did get any full caster spells. Like even in 5e, how the bard is described it's like a support class like the cleric is. A very far cry from what bards are actually capable of. Actually...isn't bard the one caster class now that can get access to spells from the other caster classes? Like even some cleric and druid spells are in the possible list?

[@centurosproductions8827]

Wait, OP complained about Steven not making it clear what he expected, and then didn't tell the GM about the planned PvP.

[@charmquark7514]

Right? That irked me so much. He‘s so proud about how well he communicated with the party but the DM is also a part of the group? Arguably the most important one? Just include him in your communication and maybe things wouldn’t have escalated like that.

[@dylanh1911]

This was my thought. If you’re going to PVP the DM needs to know so they don’t try and step in and ruin your moment because they don’t know you’re both on board.

[@beepbopboop7727]

Yeah, seems like OP is an asshole tbh.

[@tophr2710]

Op is an ass for sure. But I disagree slightly. I love giving the players free reign and just roll with it. Admittedly I am a very new DM! Any reasons why this type of thing might ruin our f up the adventure?

[@tophr2710]

@@dylanh1911 hey, question. Other than one player being clearly unhappy, when should a DM step in?

[@OrangeyChocolate]

Seems like both the DM and OP had their own problems, they were just incompatible. Then again, OP’s narration does seem very one-sided...

[@annabella1650]

It is and is probably a massive over-exaggeration of what really happened, which is probably just a minor conflict between themselves and OP.

[@OrangeyChocolate]

@Alex Davies How do you know it's fake?

[@annabella1650]

@Orangey Well you don’t, but it’s also highly likely that it’s fake to an extent. The way the OP has written the story shows either a lack of self-awareness OR trying to write it to sound as annoying as possible.

[@metademetra]

@@OrangeyChocolate It comes off as very "that happened" He frames it like the DM is the unreasonable one, but he attacks other players, doesn't bother learning other characters' names, insults the DM in-character, talks about how everybody loves his games and him, and is overall a dickhead. Doesn't help there isn't an excerpt of the messages posted AND that he uses the DM's real name.

[@j2dragon109]

LadyShay Well, according to him, the players were completely okay with the pvp

[@Khaons]

Op: "...he (The DM) could just have said "Dude, no, just enter the gates - I want you to have a dungeon crawl" If the DM had done that OP: "the DM railroaded us, he's so mad at me for being a better DM"

[@Dewani90]

OP sound like he is lying outta his teeth at this point.

[@Gormathius]

Let's not forget: OP: "I could have told him all these things, but I didn't." There's some serious pot calling the kettle black stuff going on here.

[@aurora5481]

The description, especially on a light-hearted holiday one-shot, could have not been a clearer sign pointing to a dungeon crawl if it'd been painted in neon.

[@sheridanwilde]

@@aurora5481 Yep - normally that would be railroading, but for a holiday one-off you go where the rails take you!

[@wohlhabendermanager]

I have the feeling this whole story was just a lot of fluff for the OP to have a chance to say "I am such a great DM!"

[@crocodilerock4662]

Our “intrepid” main character seems like a bit of a weirdo themselves if I’m honest.

[@NosferatuWickedTTRPG]

Who isn't a weirdo in Tabletop

[@galacticironmike4516]

@@NosferatuWickedTTRPG fair point my friend, fair point haha

[@johnnysizemore5797]

@Alex Davies -- what makes you think it's fake?

[@dersprocket7511]

I always have to side eye a story when the op goes "but please, sir DM. Verily, all I had wanted was to enrich the experience of my fellow party members. To what do I owe this disdain thou hath brought unto me?" And the dm replied "reeeee!!!!!" It just reeks of a lie

[@goldenalpaca3881]

@@dersprocket7511 Yah the ending got extremely suspicious

[@joaogundersen1374]

I'm confused about one thing, Steven, besides getting angry and being petty he seemed like a really cool DM. The story was fun, he allowed players to break the game and roleplay and didn't ruin the fun during sessions. OP sounds like a "That Guy" who thinks he is soooooooooooo goood and is always criticizing other players behavior.

[@bluedragonfly8139]

Seeing how much better than everyone else OP thinks they are, I seriously wonder if the DM was *actually* as angry and petty as they claim.

[@1Kapuchu100]

I have one small disagreement with the OP. D&D isn't "all about the players" and it's not "The DM's job to make sure the players have fun." It's also about the DM. Whoever's in charge of the game might do the bulk work for it, but they are there for fun as well. It's also the players' responsibility to make sure that the DM's work is taken seriously and respected, and to interact with the world. It's a joint effort, and everybody is responsible for making sure that everybody is having fun.

[@BramLastname]

Then again, TPKing is not a mechanic To be used lightly. I nearly killed a party member Very early in the campaign, So I apologized to the party, For going a bit hard on them. Not telling them that the character was already dead according to RAW, But instead allowing the character To skip the saves this time And to continue in the direction they wanted.

[@Damalon01]

I agree with you entirely here.

[@todo9633]

That's literally not what the guy said though. He said "It's the DM's job to LET the party have fun". If a player has fun by breaking the plot, then the DM should express that, before "Rocks fall and everyone dies"-ing them for not following the script.

[@BramLastname]

@@todo9633 still a good player recognises the effort of preparation And the boundaries they have crossed.

[@pontiffgoblin3200]

@@BramLastname I'm unfamiliar with D&D terms, what does TPKing mean?

[@jesseblueflower]

Maybe I'm missing something... Leomund's Tiny Hut has a 1 minute casting time, how would one cast that while jumping into a purple worm mouth?

[@CritCrab]

OMC you're right.

[@Nildread]

Someone asked the same thing on the Reddit. Op's response was "they were preparing it while they were making their way to the purple worm" and that it's the DM's fault for not realizing that the player in the worm should have died after a minute.

[@rossassin]

I've seen it happen quite a few times in DCA, where nobody remembers it has a cast time

[@jesseblueflower]

@@Nildread Timeline wise, why would the Purple Worms wait a minute to attack the party? If OP claims that he started preparing when the worms arrived that means the worms just sat there for one minute apparently motionless. A round is 6 seconds. In 10 rounds those worms should have easily killed the party.

[@yourbiggestfan395]

@@jesseblueflower It's more likely both player and DM forgot. They had before, so it's not unlikely it'd happen again. The DM's biggest enemy in this story is truly himself.

[@autoRegenesis]

So, one big major red flag here I see. I mean, there's many, but the biggest one? OP talks about how he made sure to go out of his way and talk to the other players about his character's actions, to make sure they were okay with it and suchnot. Okay, good plan. Why in the nine hells didn't he talk to the DM about that?! If he'd gone to the DM, the DM could have gone "Oh, I'm sorry, I'd rather not have fighting within the party." It's a perfectly understandable request, in my opinion. I feel like both parties were at fault here--the DM seems like he was trying his best to be a chill, anything-goes DM, but got frustrated easily and wasn't too experienced. OP sounds like a massive tool who works best in a party comprised of other, equally large tools. This is one of those cases where I'd love to hear the other sides of that story.

[@demoulius1529]

Yeah communication could have defenitly been alot better. I do think he mentioned at the start of the whole post that hes on the spectrum so maybe that factors in? I dunno tbh but noone was a winner here...

[@fuckoffannoyingutube]

@@demoulius1529 being on the spectrum is not an excuse for being an asshat on purpose. and OP is going out of his way to be an ass while doing his best to explain how well intended and good for the game it is. fuck that dude and his edgelord bard

[@Cons-Cat]

Lol why are you completely wrong

[@autoRegenesis]

@@Cons-Cat You're welcome to make a counterpoint if you disagree?

[@christianreed9426]

@@Badartist888 yeah everybody was cool with it.

[@TheJim9191]

OP sounds like someone who has had multiple r/rpghorrorstories posts written about him, but still clings to the delusion that everyone loves him and he's just the best. Honestly with the way he describes himself, he wouldn't last 5 minutes at my table before being asked to leave.

[@TotallyRealistic]

Ah shit, you're the guy from the foxgirl-tabaxi video. How do you do my dude?

[@darksideskyy]

this OP sounds narcissistic with a hint of sympathize with me syndrome, aka attention seeker.

[@penaxor]

Yeah, I wouldn't stand having this type of guy on my table.

[@midnighter2k]

Definitly! He sounds more like the true asshole of the story

[@MogofWar]

Except he totally acknoelwledges his own flaws the entire time, something narcissists generally don't do.

[@jamestotts9171]

And then the entire bus stood up and clapped.

[@FTZPLTC]

I came here to say this but I knew in my heart it had already been said.

[@Calredic]

So, OP is playing an evil character with severe rage issues, who is also effectively a pacifist who’s killed only a single creature throughout multiple campaigns, but can also solo the entire party if need be. Sure thing. Incidentally, if your character is a big enough badass to beat the entire rest of your party singlehandedly, and yet you’ve only killed a single enemy ever, try pulling your freaking weight during actual combat - not just when you want to show the rest of the party how tough you are.

[@frostyenderman13]

Whh- he told the party about his conflict and got their permission, but NOT THE DM? Of course the guy's gonna get angry!

[@tylerfiregaming]

the angry and then there " know what even though everyone was okay with it imma going to tpk them to teach a lesson that they wont be allowed instead of talking about it" angry

[@bobfruck]

yea. but maybe he was a bit scared to talk to the dm about it.

[@aeashenemby]

It was a short scuffle that did nothing to affect his story and only affected the characters who were in it. For no reason should the dm be upset about it.

[@bobfruck]

@@aeashenemby i mean, yeah, but a heads up doesn't hurt

[@mjlogan1964]

@@aeashenemby yeah but its still annoying yo be sidelined. The game isn't all about the players and its supposed to be fun for everyone. I get your point but as a DM I don't only have fun through my story or how it plays out. I agree he shouldn't have tried to TPK but it still isn't cool to do that in my opinion

[@centurosproductions8827]

Wait. "[This bard] has been my main since 3.5 came out" "I never play casters... magic confuses me" *confused Will Smith*

[@andrewt3045]

The secret here is that he also says he is a very experienced DM. He actually just doesn't want to admit he intentionally uses the DM's lack of experience to break things in ways the spells shouldn't allow and the DM is likely pissed off, finding out later what he did. Leomund's Tiny Hut, Polymorph, etc. These are *the most common spells* and he has no idea how they work?

[@Zombiereaper1]

I also feel like that's a really bad sign in a player when they have a "main" to me that say they are not flexible and play the same character every time and like things their way.

[@tylerfiregaming]

@@andrewt3045 tiny hut, he asked the dm if it would work like that. Polymorph, he asked the dm( who has the player handbook) if he could see the handbook and when told no asked, what he was along to change people into and gave the example of a young dragon, which then the dm checked and said, yes. also there is a sizable difference between 3.5 and 5th magic system. how do you intentionally use the lack of someone knowledge when they have a whole book with them to check of these things when asked about it. I think yall are forgetting the part that he kept on asking and the dm, who should check on things like spells that arent normally used in combat and who knows that this player isnt use to 5e magic, to check on this spell or if this spell can be used in this way.

[@RetailSorcerer]

NerdyPyro the moment the DM said “Yes you can do this” is the moment that it’s on him for either A. Not checking if you can or B. Knowing that you can/can’t and allowing it anyway

[@dinkledonker801]

He flat out says that he always focused on the charismatic and charming aspects of a Bard and rarely used attack magic

[@TheDukeofCheese12]

Not gonna lie, OP sounds like a bit of a problem here too. There's a difference between letting "rule of cool" play out, and another to have complete disregard for the mechanics to break the game.

[@vinaypatel8578]

Agree OP sounds like their goal was to to break the game instead of playing it.

[@omega9216]

he admited to it in part 1

[@brandonmatthews3484]

How was anything he did disregarding mechanics? I mean, the dragon thing was him and Steven misreading a rule, and other than that, I'd assume everything he did was mechanically possible. No one says you have to fight your way out of everything.

[@grantdalenberg1997]

@@brandonmatthews3484 Leomunds tiny hut has a casting time of one minute. That means the bard would give to get through ten rounds of combat, along with a possibly 1hp character surviving in a purple worm. And if the bard ever got hit, which is pretty likely he'd need to succeed concentration saving throws to not lose the spell entirely... with 4 worms around the party. If that doesn't seem unlikely what does

[@MacroAggressor]

@@grantdalenberg1997 Setting aside that the whole purple worm encounter was a nonsense hissy fit for a moment... it sounded like that was a mistake that both player and DM made, as (iirc) DM gave it the thumbs up ahead of time after reviewing the spell. It didn't sound like he was trying to pull a fast one or anything; if he had been he would have just said "I cast Tiny Hut" and hope the DM didn't notice. We all make mistakes on spells, it happens. Especially fiddly bits like casting times, it's an easy thing to miss. The thing I don't get is why they wouldn't have dropped the DM immediately after he tried to TPK the entire group of longstanding PCs for roleplaying "wrong". I got legitimately upset at that. That's such a petty and immature thing to do. I mean ffs, those PCs had been around for much longer than the DM and he was gonna try to kill them off because their fun was wrong?

[@novadselir1068]

Honestly I wouldn't want to DM this player either I'm a fan of creative players but actively trying to break a game or attack other characters isn't my cup of tea.

[@Nildread]

Yeah, there's not wanting to be railroaded, and then there's "my character has no motivation to be here so he leaves". I'm not saying the op was that bad, but it was mighty close.

[@blakchristianbale]

Logan Chiminera he said in part 1 that he and the group specifically told the DM that they were playing evil characters, it makes sense that he's gonna be at a loss when he's being asked to save the world

[@gabrieljusti1322]

one thing is creative problem solving, other is breaking the game intentionaly, the first is OK the second is an ass in nearly all cases

[@filipferencak2717]

He also doesn't understand his spells as this story demonstrates. Leomund's tiny hut takes a full minute to cast. that's 10 combat rounds. I don't see how his "friend with 1 hp left" could've possibly lasted for 10 turns inside of a worm without his assistance (he'd be busy casting the spell). It also wouldn't necessarily instakill the worm either.n The DM could've rulled that the spell fails, since he's trying to summon it's perimeters into occupied spaces. That happens with many other spells, why not Leomund's hut? The DM could've also rulled that the worm's body can stretch that much, meaning that the hut would simply inflate the worm instead of killing it. He could've also rulled that the hut cannot fully materialize and that the creature simply takes some force damage before the spell fails. It look to me that this is either a made up story or that the player in question really was the asshole.

[@FlfyDfy]

In my opinion, breaking a game shows character. My players break my games constantly, and I love them for it. If they're dedicated enough to read between the lines, thats a good thing in my book! Or maybe I'm just waaaaay to lenient, who knows.

[@Roukle]

Such an experienced player, capable of abusing a spell by 'forgetting' it takes 10 turns to cast.

[@gavinlopez6258]

No, he's never played a spellcaster. Except those many times he played a spell caster. Also Tiny Hut can't destroy creatures

[@Keenath]

Not to mention the part where the spell specifically says it just fails if there are big creatures in the area. It's a complete cheat.

[@EKhan89]

@@guusemunch1707 pretty sure he said they were used to playing 3,5 but this time they were playing 5e. He says that in 5e his bard was supposedly more powerful hence his ability to take out his party

[@EKhan89]

@@guusemunch1707 You literally said: "Hey guess what idiots, they were playing 3.5..." The only reason I even bothered to comment is cause you decided to go insulting people for not "double checking" when I'm fairly sure it's said in the video that they are playing 5e for this campaign. Rubbed me the wrong way. Also, I do agree it's on the DM for allowing such shenanigans but I wouldn't necessarily say the description used in 3.5e matches "flawlessly". There's definitely room for interpretation that 5e tries to rectify.

[@guusemunch1707]

@@EKhan89 hey, I wanna apologize for being an asshole to you and to everyone else here in these comments for being a prick for no reason, I’ll delete my previous comments and move on

[@Nildread]

"There's multiple players that I either forgot their character's names or I didn't tell you about because their character was boring and didn't really do anything" yeah this doesn't really sound like a fun group. I try to get to know everyone in the party and write names down and keep notes and stuff.

[@Jermbot15]

Particularly since he was running those players half the time.

[@patchmoulton5438]

Its such an odd detail to bring up. If they aren't really doing anything and you only bring them up once and then still tell the story as if it were only the four of you, why bring it up at all?

[@Nildread]

@@patchmoulton5438 true, why did they even mention it. There's a part of me that thinks "maybe that player didn't talk in character because Etienne was in charge and if anyone tried to take that away from him he'd start launching fireballs"

[@arellajardin8188]

@LokiTetch Pretty much this. His story makes him out to be the center of attention, and everyone else is just so enamored with him that they go along with whatever he wants. There’s “taking the lead” in social checks, and then there’s being the protagonist while everyone else is a support character. He doesn’t remember the other players/characters, because they don’t matter to him.

[@tinkerer3399]

*SPROING* Oh sorry, that was the sound of my suspenders of disbelief completely snapping. I never trust a story this full of humble brags but unlike some of the others where I thought it was exaggerated I'm pretty sure this one was just completely made up whole cloth. Like... I could address the story as a whole which has MANY holes but I can't get past the humble brag in damn near every sentence. Now if you will excuse me I need to find something else to hold up my pants. EDIT: Wait, I just realized I've seen this type of fake story before and I think I know what caused it. This is the type of fake story you create when you are arguing with someone in a forum about styles of GMing but it doesn't go well. So you create a short story about why you are right and post it somewhere else to make yourself feel better. I ran across this type of behaviour when I was reading way too many forums because they don't post the story in the same forum as they had the arguement.

[@darksideskyy]

i mean...you arent wrong. this OP sounds like someone id ask to leave my table. hes just a little too into stroking his own ego in this story for me to believe this

[@uryuu500]

Same, him and the DM also either refused to work Leomund's Tiny Hut like how it is supposed to. The spell auto fails if a creature of large size or larger is in the radius of the spell.

[@zachthewack3583]

I laughed WAY too hard at that SPROING lmao

[@agentstache135]

I think you hit the nail on the head with the edit. At first I thought it was just someone exaggerating themselves and uncharitably interpreting others actions to stroke their own (ahem) ego, but everything here just defies belief and absolutely reeks of preachy didacticism. “Oh we’re *_SOOOOO_* much better players, the best in fact, because we constantly try to ruin the DM’s plans and break the game!!!!!!1!!!11”

[@Anton_Jermakoŭ]

I laughed at 'bards are weapon of mass destruction' Mass seduction maybe?

[@billyhyde1415]

And now the exciting conclusion to "How to Gaslight Your DM"

[@jordancarlson9071]

OP is obviously lying My main character is an angry bard pyromantic And I never play casters Right.

[@CondemnedGuy]

And he has played bards since the 3.5 edition hmmmm

[@ButterBoyism]

There are some people who don't see bards as a caster, it completely depends on how you play it and what you define as a caster. In my opinion it definitely is, but so is a paladin if they've taken any ranged spells. I've a mate who always plays a bard and avoids any offensive spells like it's the plague, all he wants to do is persuade, lie, manipulate and buff people. In his mind this isn't playing a "caster" but a support class.

[@jordancarlson9071]

@@ButterBoyism I see your point, understand, yet disagree. If you cast spells, you are a caster. You may not be a full caster like a wizard, or a half caster like a paladin, but even an arcane trickster rogue applies to the multiclass spell slots as a third caster. Therefore is a caster. Bard applies as a full caster, not a half or third caster. Dealing damage has no bearing on whether you are a caster. My own character has no damage dealing spells, yet is a caster. That's my 2 cents!

[@ButterBoyism]

@@jordancarlson9071 I completely agree with you if you cast spells you're a caster and that's that - but some people think differently and I just described the PoV of someone I know who plays a bard and doesn't think it's a caster!

[@jordancarlson9071]

@@ButterBoyism I noticed, and commented about how wrong he is, and the invalidity of his incorrect opinion!

[@Chance57]

This guy solo'd his team. A bard, their level, who has all but forgone offense, and he solo'd his team. Sure, the DM is there broken one here.

[@konradterlikowski8788]

TBH not that unrealistic, at least not in 3.0e nor 3.5e. If You fight against oponnents with low reflex save and cast a couple of fireballs, that can basically solo a team. I am not familiar with 5e, so I only base my anwser on 3.0 and 3.5.

[@frodobaggins2328]

@@konradterlikowski8788 it’s about the same in 5e, but it requires a few more hurdles to pass than just overcoming the reflexes.

[@Sanquinity]

Depending on the party's level, bards can absolutely do that. In 3.0 and 3.5 at least, physical classes are strong early game. Say, before level 6. But after that spellcasters catch up, and start to snowball more and more. Sure, physical classes can keep up a bit with magical items and such. But, say, a naked 12th level wizard, could take on a 12th level fighter decked out in all the magical items he could afford and still win most of the time. Not sure how it is in later editions, but yea...

[@frodobaggins2328]

@@Sanquinity In later editions, some of the more physical classes are pretty much evenly powerful

[@Anton_Jermakoŭ]

@@konradterlikowski8788 if your party has half a brain it is not very easy especially with their setup they should not have taken that much damage not mentioning that taking fireball as a bard means it is 6th/ but probably 10th level since I am sure it was eloquence bard at that level it is your fault if your character is build in a way that leaves him vulnerable to AoE Also any barbarian or fighter I ever made would have wiped the floor with that arrogant asshole even though generally Spellcasters are way ahead of martials Edit: Not mentioning that some party members were apparently within melee range of him when the bard threw this tantrum

[@geybackgeybackson2838]

There's just something profoundly stupid about the idea of rage-launching a fireball at one of your comrades and then having a supposedly heartfelt wound-tending redemption scene. I had to do a double-take when I heard that. Like, I get that different folks have different priorities, but for me, that's a level of idiocy and unrealistic character behavior I have trouble swallowing. A fireball is not just an accidental slap to the face; it's a deliberate, quite lethal explosion that razes everything in a wide radius. You'd have to be severely mentally unstable to casually toss that around, and most people would declare you a dangerous menace unfit to be trusted further. Like, if I shotgunned my pal in the leg because he called me a twat once, it doesn't matter for how long I sit at his bedside and whisper sweet prayers of swift recovery into his ear; he'd do everything in his power to get me put away afterwards. And for the love of Gaknulak, if you do something deranged like that, at least clear it with your DM first, because to the poor guy who's out of the loop it's going to look like you're attempting to murder one of the other player's characters just to fuck with the game (especially if you've previously established that fucking with the game is your priority). Forced TPKs are stupid, but I can completely understand an inexperienced DM to be overwhelmed by this degree of lunacy and have a lapse in judgment because of it. I hope this DM can move on and get some more healthy experience with running games so he can gain confidence and handle off the rail shenanigans with a bit more grace and finesse. If he actually exists that is, because this whole story reads like a self-aggrandizing fanfic.

[@kazineverwind5267]

Seriously. The only appropriate response to a player launching fireballs at the party is for the paladin and barb to walk out of the fire and murder the shit out of the retard. Good luck spoony bard, you have two fully resistant melee machines in your face and they are PISSED OFF.

[@jamestanzer9188]

That kind of behavior isn't just douchy, it's abusive. That is exactly how abusers work: They hurt you, then gaslight you into believing it's your fault.

[@bluedragonfly8139]

@@jamestanzer9188 That was exactly my thought reading that! Like, holy crap, that's what abusers do you absolute doorknob!

[@Anton_Jermakoŭ]

@@kazineverwind5267 that sounded like absolute bonkers to me Paladin with aura of protection and barb with advantage on Dex saves would spit out the fireball damage turning bard into a mincemeat

[@drakegrandx5914]

Wait, did you just mention Gaknulak? So much... respect... I should... resist...!

[@indifferentsmiley]

He seems to be a bit full of himself and simultaneously doesn't really help Steven as a DM, giving constructive criticism. I've been on both ends of this gun. The narrator is doing a poor job of communicating and assisting, and the DM just seems inexperienced, which wouldn't be bad if the narrator and other players were willing to relay their problems with the campaign. I get narrator is on the spectrum, but you should really specify and desire for a very experienced DM for this sort of group. Grabbing and running with a novice is not a good idea, clearly. Just my two cents.

[@CritCrab]

I agree The DM sounds new, OP sounds like he wants something a bit higher caliber that the DM cannot realistically supply.

[@indifferentsmiley]

@@CritCrab My sentiments exactly. Like going to McDonald's and expecting Filet Mignon.

[@Nildread]

I suspect that the op actually enjoys this type of dynamic. They keep talking about breaking games, it's easier to break a newer DM's games when they don't know the casting time of leomund's tiny hut.

[@indifferentsmiley]

@@Nildread I think also the player and DM dynamic here, from a playstyle perspective is very very conflicting. The DM sounds like he enjoys linear campaigns (most newer DMs do), but the players were expecting a sandbox, it sounds like. Which is not a good mix. There's DMs for gamebreakers and there's players for linear (commonly misnomered as railroading, but they look similar, to be fair) games. Heck, there's players for railroads. I feel like OP really wasn't very thorough at all in the vetting process, nor with the application itself and was very much too excited to get a DM for their game. The aftermath speaks for itself. Pro Gamer Move Tip: Vet your players/DMs and be as detailed as possible with your LFG/LFGM ads so people know if they qualify and so YOU know if they qualify.

[@qty1315]

@@CritCrab I think that OP made the whole story up. I looked at his other posts on your sub and, well, I suspect that he might have made this story (and others) mostly because he might have never actually participated in a live DnD game, or at least not the game he wanted to be in. So, it sounds like he wrote a story where he has an awesome girlfriend, friends who enjoy his abrasive personality, and he's awesome at DnD and does awesome things in DnD with his friends. Not to say it couldn't be true, but, his stories that he posted have inconsistent details, and his post history is contradictory. I don't think he does this on purpose, but I do think that he might actually be mentally unstable to some degree. I dunno, I just find this guy fascinating because this is the fakest sounding RPG story I've ever heard, and he can't stop saying how awesome he is during it while simultaneously acknowledging how awful he is. Reminds me of Daniel Johnston in a way.

[@princealigorna7468]

Honestly, if this story is real, I'm with most of the comments where it sounds like the party is just as much assholes as the DM. The DM here just seems very timid and like he doesn't want to start conflict by railroading, while the players are all like, "Well, if he's not going to railroad us, then we'll just steer the train off the tracks completely and plow through 7 nearby villages."

[@whyccan9063]

Good point; for someone claiming right on the beginning to be on the spectrum and always wanting to avoid conflict both in and out the game, seeking peace, OP appears to have a complete disregard for why the DM would want to do/feel the same.

[@heroluka7088]

Honestly I dont even think the dm is an asshole, his reaction is completely understandable from my point of view.

[@Resters52_official]

@@heroluka7088 I kinda see where you're coming from, and OP is definitely not free of blame, but the DM did have the power to say no, he was really relaxed on his rulings and that allowed a lot of the issues. I think the pvp thing probably should have involved the DM in the planning, but there is another comment in a different thread that I agree with, OP seems a bit big-headed, he hypes up his own dming ability quite a bit

[@anthonyp.4734]

@@Resters52_official Being on the spectrum doesn't always equal a lack of awareness on other people's feelings and wants. He seemed fully aware of the guy and completely gave little shit for the guy's attempt to run a game. The only thing I see OP have is a complete avoidance for direct conflict since all I see is a GM who wanted to try his best but couldn't and an OP who clearly decided to let the game keep burning down every week so they could advance their character's personal stories. A simple bit of him talking to the GM directly and saying "Yeah this isn't working, lets talk about and brainstorm how we can make this work." in a polite fashion would do it since OP has all the group experience. Blaming DM for having more power, nah blame himself for having the experience and knowledge of everyone he plays with and doing nothing with it.

[@Resters52_official]

@@anthonyp.4734 Who was on the spectrum? Sorry, it's been a minute, but yeah I agree. He has all this skill and experience and does nothing helpful with it

[@filipferencak2717]

"We're the heroes, the game is all about us!" - Every DM's worst nightmare. Fun fact: The DM is a person who's there to have fun too. It's not all about you, the players. It's about everyone at the table, DM included.

[@luciferandassociates9255]

Correct, if the DM isn't having fun too, then no one is going to have fun.

[@Wolfe_Gaming85]

Seems like op doesnt consider the dm with that statement

[@chrisnemo6799]

I dunno, man. My DM seems happiest when the players don't let him do much.

[@filipferencak2717]

@@chrisnemo6799 I mean, if that's how he has fun, that's great. My point was that the game is not all about the players. It's about everyone around the table having fun. So, as long as you are having fun and he is having fun, everything's great.

[@gauracappelletti3893]

The way that was phrased made it sound like that, but given the context of this person being mostly a DM who seems to enjoy it, that's probably not what was meant

[@LazyKingAus]

😭😭😭 an "Experienced dm" not knowing how polymorph works? something is fishy.

[@Diresilence]

Tiny Hut... is a one minute cast. *blinks*. Also, Feather Fall doesn't 'slowly fall', its still at a rate of 60 feet per round. Also, why the frig would you play a caster and not have your spells written down, or have your character handbook with you? I'm calling it, fake story. The OP was to busy stroking themselves off and how great they are and how great their characters are. Also seems to alternate between 'high level party', and also listing characters at level 7. All that is missing as 'And then everyone in the party stood up and clapped'.

[@akaiyoru2681]

Lemme ask...is it possible to even survive that TPK encounter with everyone aside from one character with 1HP left?

[@jeffreyanderson667]

Plus, anyone on the internet who randomly mentions they have a girlfriend without context probably doesn't. Lol

[@akaiyoru2681]

@@jeffreyanderson667 Like that is an important piece of info, right?

[@OBriens697]

@@akaiyoru2681 99% of the time no, it's not survivable. I put the 1% aside because "Divine intervention," if that's the correct name for the ability, and teleport exist. Realistically not all of the PCs would survive that encounter without some very creative thinking.

[@akaiyoru2681]

@@OBriens697 Or a very strong plot armor

[@Uomostrano]

I can't help to sympathize for the DM in this story. Sure, there were a lot of miscommunication problems from his part and I can't deny that, still, I can't help to notice how the protagonist of this post runs his mouth how great of a roleplayer and amazing DM he is. I've never been a fan of people who don't show a little humility. What I could get from this story is that the player in question has a deep need to be the center of attention and uses the "I'm just roleplaying my character" as an excuse. The PVP part is an excellent example, in my opinion. The player's character was getting angry and wanted to show it in a powerful way and wanted to throw some random fireballs? Fine, but why didn't he throw them randomly at the sky, or at some inanimate object? Or, if he really wanted to get in a fight with other characters, why didn't he just go for a fistfight? This player knew the DM was not an expert one, still he costantly, actively acted to get off the railroad and I can't help to notice a little malice in that. Anyway, that's just another wonderful example about the importance of COMMUNICATION between DMs and players, so, no matter who you're cheering for, let's all learn our lesson here and sorry for the long rant.

[@grimmcrag8715]

Also he says his bard is not built for combat and he's all about party support and buffing his allies and yet he absolutely DEMOLISHES everything he fights against, including his own party. Because he is so experienced and such a great roleplayer presumably.

[@Nuggette]

yeah on top of that he made sure to talk with the player he attacked but never even remotely mentioned it to the DM and then gets pissy when the DM freaks out. Like wth dude never heard of communication before?

[@LazyKingAus]

trueNgt48 yea this guy seems dumb. the dm controls the game talk to him before doing something like attacking other players.

[@bsowers22]

Go back to the beginning of Part 1, the giveaway is right there. The OP says "He's on the spectrum and his social skills are lacking in real time" So this whole story is the "Sheldon" version of the campaign. I'm willing to bet any other group members would tell much different versions.

[@raistlarn]

@@LazyKingAus I had to get on my friends on roll20, because they are whispering combat stuff, or ingame social things like it's an us vs dm thing. When if a dm hears what you are whispering it helps give them an idea of how you feel in this situation, gives the dm ideas that he/she can put into the campaign for the players, allows the dm to record the information down, and most importantly stop any harrassment before it truly gets started. Also roll20 only records what you see. So whispers when not targeted towards you are not recorded.

[@ChurchAtNight]

Yeh sure, and then everyone stood up and clapped. Sounds like Steven needs more experience and OP would never be welcome at my table, specifically for using bae non ironically.

[@fulgurobaboon1321]

Yeah OP is the worst part of this story even though DM seems low xp

[@stephbob7568]

3

[@lukasz1kier]

I'd love to have OP as a player. He's great, he points out plot holes(so I can fix them, possibly by making them plot hooks) and he comes up with unorthodox ideas to solve problems, so more improv witch from my exp. greatly increases satisfaction for both sides. And a litle of in-party drama, so less prep time needed to craft 8h session.

[@Gilphon]

Unironically using bae to describe his own damn character, no less. That's a lot of smug right there.

[@thelastmotel]

Never forget, 'BAE' means 'TURD' in Danish lol

[@draakgast]

Player: you're supposed to be heroes and do heroic things. Also players: every single one of us is evil and selfish even though we almost never do evil stuff

[@ayf449]

This sounds lots like: Damned if you make the hero and damned if you don't.

[@degiguess]

Reasons why OP sounds insufferable in greentext form: >tries to break the game every chance he gets >claims they were being "railroaded" when the DM literally let them do whatever they wanted and only got frustrated as a result of them purposely breaking the game >justifies bad behavior because "it's what muh character would do" >"DMs only exist to make the players have fun" no. the DM deserves to have fun too. The DM is playing the game too. >has powerful spells like fireball despite being a bard >claims he's an amazing roleplayer and that everybody in the group loves him >claims he's better at DMing than the DM and that everybody in the group prefers his DMing style over steven's >min-maxes to a point of being able to defeat literally his entire party >plans PvP with other players behind the DMs back and does it in game with no warning to the DM >Leomund's tiny hut has a 1 minute casting time. Sure the DM could've said something but it's the players responsibility to remember how their spells work. The DM can't memorize every spell in the game. >"did I mention I have a *girlfriend* guys hahah my *girlfriend* plays DnD aren't I cool guys?" >"my character is evil aligned and has anger issues isn't that super cool guys?" >thinks the players are explicitly and objectively the center of the universe despite never having this discussion with the DM >completely ignores the clear amount of effort the DM was putting into the game, the guy literally spent his entire weekend making a dungeon >writes long and clearly one-sided posts on reddit venting about his DM troubles and making fun of new DMs for being new >doesn't even bother remembering the names of the other PCs in the group because they're "boring" all and all fuck this guy, the real nightmare of this story is OP. Yeah the DM wasn't great but OP can't just blame all the communication issues on him, they both had issues communicating what they wanted.

[@myname9130]

Your Dad Lore Bards actually can get Fireball through their Magical Secrets feature, they're actually quite powerful in 5e

[@myname9130]

Otherwise though spot on. Fuck this guy.

[@0wolfmoon]

I suspect the DM wasn't nearly as bad as OP claims. A lot of his behavior is just weird and nonsensical. Usually bad DMs have a motive, like pride, liking to go on power trips, muh story, or something else like that. This DM was all over the place, approving one thing and then turning around and being upset about it. Is it possible he's really this weird, inconsistent enigma of a person? Yes. Given OP though, I do have to wonder

[@Chance57]

When the bard that eschewed violence solo'd his team, I knew this guy was full of shit.

[@evaahh9584]

My Name every other type of bard can too, they just get magical secrets at a later levels (lore bard gets extra magical secrets before magical secrets - functions the same)

[@aydan8535]

"Never killed anyone" "Prides himself on avoiding combat" Uses fireball on anyone who challenges his authority...on no, wait, not everyone. Just his friends... Well, add one to his kill counter because he's killed my brain.

[@wohlhabendermanager]

Not only fireball (his only attack spell by choice) but also Burning Hands. Which, apparently, isn't an attack spell.

[@ryanclapperton9449]

Didn’t he kill that worm?

[@jamesgaston2745]

@ARTHUR TROY but didn't you know about the bards super duper ultra quicken spell feature?

[@nondescriptcat5620]

"You could say I'm a pretty professional Evil player, not like those Chaotic Evil murderhobos."

[@hazukichanx408]

@@wohlhabendermanager I guess maybe hypothetically he could use Burning Hands to light a camp fire, perhaps sterilize a wound, or... set a fire somewhere as a distraction, or whatever? Depending on the degree of intensity control possible (I'm by no means an authority there). But in the latter case, I don't see how he could be sure that nobody died if the cute little distraction turns into more of a blazing inferno, as fire is wont to do. But maybe indirect kills he is definitely responsible for, don't count in his mind?

[@Asyr]

That person telling the story really loves himself/herself

[@TheSuicidalGiraffe]

Yeah he sure seems super amazing and perfect in every way and clearly has no issues with anything he does

[@Cattack44]

@@TheSuicidalGiraffe In the first part he says he is an asshole and says he handled this situation incorrectly, idk what fucking story you are listening to but actually listen to these before you comment shit like this

[@TheSuicidalGiraffe]

@@Cattack44 It is nuanced but we are obviously saying that it seems fishy the author does so much that everyone is okay with but this OTHER guy is the problem. I listened to the whole thing and believed the author to be shifting the story to make himself look better. You should listen to the story more closely and not take everything at face value.

[@snatchadams69]

@@TheSuicidalGiraffe except the OP states that this is a situation where ESH and that he admits that he could have done things differently instead of being passively confrontational.

[@TheSuicidalGiraffe]

@@snatchadams69 the OP's actions reek of being a bad player. Just cause he says everything and everyone was fine with it doesn't mean he's being honest. Furthermore, it seems like he's saying this to defer any actual blame from himself. The old, I'm not perfect routine, yeah I made some mistakes but I'm not as bad as this guy. It seems like there is alot of the story being left out, more than anything though why does anyone even care. I could be wrong and I could be right but my smarmy comment seems to have drawn Brock's Ire and now you're chiming in to. What exactly did I stumble into with my sarcastic remark?

[@Danothyus1]

"spells are not my specialty" you are telling me you play the same character since 3°e, as a bard, and spells are not your specialty just because they are utility spells? and when you just swap your class and get different spells you don't know then, one of then being polymorph, WHICH IS ALSO A UTILITY SPELL!? i call SO MUCH bullshit on this guy.

[@konradterlikowski8788]

In 3e Polymorph other as well as polymorph self is not on the bard's list so it seems reasonable, that OP did not use the spell nor could know about it.

[@chrisbenson6753]

I also love how we all just have to ignore Leomond's tiny hut has a casting time of 1 minute...

[@konradterlikowski8788]

Well, using a utility spell like Leomund's tiny hut as an offensive spell should not be allowed. No one is ignoring it - this is an obvious error on the side of the GM that he allowed this as well as cheating on the side of the OP. And BTW it is 10 min not 1 min. I agree that what the OP did is metagaming / cheating/ bullshit, especially in this situation.

[@Aevalii]

@@konradterlikowski8788 No, it's 1 minute. You're thinking it's 10 minutes because you usually cast it as a ritual, which makes it 10. If you actually use a spell slot on it, it's 1 minute.

[@konradterlikowski8788]

@@Aevalii Are you sure we are talking about the same edition? I have the core rulebook opened before me. And there is no rule to cast a ritual in 3.0. You always have to have it use your slot, and it takes 10 minutes. Mabey you have played using some house rules, or an additional rule from another rulebook like S&S or L&L or even Forgotten Realms?

[@HitomiXKaori]

Thanks, I hate it... Not the video, just that op in general...

[@MaxCordite]

Yeah, I dunno. OP mentioned at some point having a planned 'scene' where he got mad for being mocked, so he can play out his own redemption arc. I can imagine getting that message from OP about his grand plans, rolling my eyes, and just 'agreeing' because I can't even fathom responding to that level cringe. OP is going on about how his DM keeps railroading them, and doesn't have any flexibility, but here he is, moving all the NPC's into place (not describing his actions, but describing the event, outcome and repercussions in advanced!) to play out his very special episode ... I smell problematic player here.

[@NishiTheRat]

he didn't say it was planned, I imagine it more likely went along the lines of *his character gets mocked* OP messages player "hey, this is what I was thinking for a reaction to that mock you character gave me... is that cool? I will make sure not to kill you but if not then I won't" I like to give the benefit of a doubt to some people and while I can't be certain I just have a feeling that he is not quite a horrible player as you think, but thats just me, I barely played a game of D&D before and just left due to reasons (magical "car", hand-out magical items and starting off at lv 10-ish when it was my first game)

[@aniflowers1998]

I honestly like when players do stuf like that. It makes things interesting and get's the characters to actually interact. My group sadly rarely does anything like that...

[@Alexs229]

Also, I didn't see too much of a railroad here. DM rolled with a lot of stuff the players did. Sounds like OP is mad that DM was retroactively upset with how the game went? We want to work with the hunters, kidnap the princess, command the guards away, start a war between King and guards. But the DM just wanted us to kill the hunters. What a bad DM!

[@ryanclapperton9449]

@@Alexs229 wah I’m obviously such a good dm and everyone loves me but the dum told me that he didn’t like my constant game breaking wah

[@emberhermin52]

You sound like someone who blames other people for your own behavior

[@timothypeterson4781]

"He doesn't let players break the game." He lets a player cast Leomond's Tiny Hut inside a Purple Worm... Mm... No, he lets you break the game. Without more context, I'm a little in the dark, but OP sounds like an ass too. I mean, talk about how the OP says "he's the DM, he could just say no, let it be this way." How much do you want to bet he'd do an entire post about how unfair it was that he said that?

[@TheStilf]

Its important to make sure your players are having fun, however a DM is a player to. If they're not having fun there will be no game, thus the players should be a little aware to. Especially with a new DM. The DM can get better with time and experience but not if toxic players chase them off. There is already a shortage of DMs.

[@override367]

Yeah.... TBH I heard "DM didnt know about the pvp" and I checked out on this story. If I'm DMing and seemingly out of nowhere the one OP bullshit munchkin who obviously has a big head with a homebrew race starts icing the entire party by himself, I'm going to fucking panic and get IRL stressed out. Now I'm experienced enough at this point to pause the game, but 2 years ago I'd probably have done something extreme to stop the battle.... you have to *let the DM know too* that you're planning on turning this campaign into a freefire PVP zone

[@trequor]

I have a weird group with too many DMs. I'm told it's a very strange problem to have.

[@balazszsigmond826]

@@trequor try to DM to a group where all the players are regular game masters. Both frustrating and magnificent of an experience, that is for sure.

[@trequor]

@@balazszsigmond826 That's basically the situation... or at least it was. Then they all turned out to be cowards afraid of tiny monsters in their breath. I greatly enjoyed letting them narrate their own results

[@ayf449]

I see you two are hording the DMs.. now we know where they all went! Escaping the forever DM life for once

[@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181]

The OP had way too many contradiction and bagging in his post. He said, "Ettiene is an asshole, and a hot-head, never mess with a hot-head", then goes on to say, "hes a minstril, that has never killed anyone." PLUS Ettiene seems to be a "re-occurring character" that he said has never killed anything, in his whole D&D life....Doubtful... (Also re-occurring asshole characters are an immediate red-flag in my books). Anyone who feels the need to continually RP an asshole character that PK's is probably just a garbage person to be around in general....I feel bad for this group....MNaybe it's a gathering of 'that guys' and 'newbies' (SO new they think that is how you play, by being that guy....) Sad... I feel like this was a case of forever-asshole-DM bullies new-DM into being a forever player...

[@howdoilogin]

"5E which made every class a bit tougher" OP confirmed brainlet.

[@phatcavy98]

And claiming Bard is OP in 5E. The bard is useful, but built to fill the gaps in a party, not dominate. They are "jack of all trades, masters of none" I refuse to believe a bard with only fireball and burning hands for attack spells managed to solo a his entire team with most of his health and then stand up to 4 purple worms and he kept anyone from dying.

[@tylerp5259]

phatcavy98 he also didn’t qualify burning hands as a attack spell? I don’t care if it’s a racial trait, you still technically have the spell, that’s use is primarily to ATTACK.

[@Butzebaer]

@@phatcavy98 At level 7ish.

[@nathanielkraft5598]

OP admitted to being autistic in Part 1 when the story started so it's been pretty obvious from the get go that OP thinks extremely highly of himself and his friends inflate his ego constantly by letting him do whatever he wants with no regard to the rules, let alone constantly telling him how great of a DM he is himself. It's no wonder that a DM who isn't familiar with the group shows up and doesn't understand why everyone just goes along with whatever the autistic kid is doing and takes issue with it.

[@rat488]

@@nathanielkraft5598 giving me some alpha vibes actually..... him and his friends give each other shit a lot and all of them being cool with it?

[@Nildread]

"he only owns one attack spell -fireball- by choice" "mete burning hands" I'm guessing that's a racial ability and doesn't count, still I found this funny.

[@OrangeyChocolate]

Yes, the bard was a fire genasi. They get Burning Hands as a racial spell.

[@filipferencak2717]

Tiny hut has a casting time of 1 min, so 10 combat rounds. It also automatically fails if cast in an area with a large or larger creature. Green dragons breather poison, not acid. They also need to roll to recharge the breath weapon, so it's not like the guy in question could've kept firing breath attacks over and over again.

[@magermanmcmagerson4933]

@@filipferencak2717 he said young copper not green

[@zetram01]

@@filipferencak2717 It's pretty obvious no one at this table were familiar with spell descriptions.

[@filipferencak2717]

@@zetram01 Or dragons. Or other spells. But don't forget...they're veterans.

[@_malprivate2543]

Ah yes. The end to Etienne's egotrip story. Seriously, we're not getting an objective view in this case. OP is a nutjob. :P

[@dylanh1911]

“The DM could have made the minions immune to acid, he can change anything, and we have to deal.” “Those ballista weren’t there a second ago, what an asshole.”

[@deusvaulter4198]

Damn, OP sounds alot worse than the Steven guy. I actually kind of feel sorry for Steven having to deal with OP. --Hell, alot of these story OPs sound worse than "Problem player/Dm"

[@emberhermin52]

you're just biased to be skeptical of people who like themselves

[@deusvaulter4198]

@@emberhermin52 Everyone should like themselves, why would I be against that?

[@DrOmegaBattleSphere]

@@emberhermin52 Lol we found OP who's being lying about what happened and still manages to come off as the jerk in the story.

[@jerrysiahailatua2681]

Tiny hut 1 min casting time. These "veteran players" should have been honest.

[@dudemcfurgusson7179]

I've been playing 5th ed since 2014, and dnd in general since 1998. I forget how things work all the time. Being a veteran doesn't make you perfect, especially when you're playing a class you've never played before.

[@annabella1650]

@Dude McFurgusson Funny, I thought that player had been playing that character for a decent amount of time. Even then you’d think he’d have been looking up how his spells worn before using them, to understand that the hut spell doesn’t kill and cannot be used on large creatures.

[@Nildread]

@@dudemcfurgusson7179 true, except Etienne is from 3.5. also, the player didn't forget about the casting time, or atleast that's what they said. Apparently they were preparing the spell as they saved everyone and headed back to the worms and it's the DM's fault for not making a minute go by and killing his gf's character.

[@andrewt3045]

@@dudemcfurgusson7179 OP sure acted like it made him a big brain mastermind who knows all when he was shitting on steven

[@Danothyus1]

@@Nildread no lvl 7 player would survive 10 turns of preparation while inside a purple wurm, also even if he could, i really doubt not a single one of the purple wurms would had left a prey standing still without going for it. I call bullshit on OP.

[@RorytheRomulan]

"How would anybody even know that the guy I'm talking about is the same Steve?" Reddit: You underestimate my power

[@ryanclapperton9449]

Steve: you underestimate my lawers

[@dylanlewis5113]

OP seems very full of themselves. "I'm great at role-playing. Everyone loves my evil asshole character. I'm great at DMing. Everyone loves my DMing." I almost want to see if there's a story about OP from another's perspective.

[@dylanlewis5113]

I suggest sending it to the Crab.

[@alextowers7564]

@@nahmanyourethinkingofbeepb2800 I'm this was 5 months ago but I'm really curious.... At least say if OP was seen as the protagonist in this story, or if you weren't present for it, if it sounds remotely believable based on the OP you know

[@NoTimeAllTime]

The Op seems the worst and more cringy of the two. He literally makes himself seem worse then the DM he was talking about. I guess he really does have being a evil player down.

[@PrincessXyla]

How

[@allintensiveporpoises2688]

He constantly seeks to override the DM in order to reverse-railroad, makes himself the main character even when it doesn't make sense and claims "The game is all about [the players]". Not to mention constantly ignoring game rules despite "Having more experience and people enjoy my DMing more"

[@JeevesAnthrozaurUS]

People playing Heroes in DnD? You're telling me people play other roles besides Chaotic Neutral lel randum xd?

[@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097]

'Hero'? What is this 'hero' you speak of? I thought we were just a bunch of crazy folks that mess around and make up convoluted plans and happen to somehow save the world on the way.

[@tarvoc746]

@@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097 Ultimately, when it comes down to it... isn't that what a hero is?

[@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097]

@@tarvoc746 hmmm I had not thought of it that way. Is it the actions or the consequences that make you a hero?

[@Nildread]

I'm confused how the same person that is supposedly playing an evil character in an evil party said that about d&d being about only them and that they were the heroes. Wasn't that the issue in part 1 that they weren't being "heroic"? Sure, heroes aren't technically alignment exclusive, but I didn't realize they wanted to be heroes.

[@tarvoc746]

@@Nildread Honestly, there's a lot of inconsistencies in this.

[@Barraind.Faylestar]

"there was another guy, who was passive and didnt do much besides roll when needed" Yeah, thats the guy who didnt want to try and talk over your clique's nonsense every time he wanted to say something and eventually just gave up and waited for you to spend your 20 minute turn in combat.

[@carmanstriker1853]

I gotta get me a partner who loves me as much as the OP loves himself.

[@ambershadedlens]

After watching part 2 I maintain my original opinion: OP was a jerk in the situation. The other DM while shitty in some ways was trying to learn but the "More experienced DM" only wanted to play how they wanted. OP made it clear to me they didn't care to listen and wouldn't give up social power in the group. He complains of railroading from the DM but then complains the DM needs to make them go on his path because he is the DM. The feedback and the complain are the same behavior. Someone just wants to justify pushing this other DM out to themselves IMO.

[@sangralknight3031]

Ok.... OP goes out of his way to inform his fellow players of a potentially difficult interaction between them, great... but he did NOT tell the DM? What the hell? the first person you should clear that with is the DM. Yeah, seeing part 1 and 2 here, i'm in the camp that the OP is the jerk wad here.

[@Nildread]

Ok, so this is irrelevant. But I just realized for my first time dming I'm running tomb of annihilation, my players were sleeping on the beach, and their first combat of the campaign ended up being with crabs.

[@CelestialAnamoly]

Lol! That's amazing!

[@riptide3340]

Crab rave intensifies

[@moh.syafrianabie8899]

But did the crabs attack crits? 😉

[@Nildread]

@@moh.syafrianabie8899 actually.

[@TheBonkleFox]

@@Nildread Did they go for the weak points?

[@jonathanrobichaux4898]

Good God man, half way through this and nothing has changed my mind. This player is the absolute worst and a complete asshole in every way possible. And I don't blame the DM tbh, the way this player colors everything in the best way possible too suite him is ridiculous. Also there's no way you could cast Tiny Hut inside a purple worm. I hate this guy.

[@_malprivate2543]

I love how Etienne is supposedly so incredibly experienced but still don't know even the basics of the game, or human interaction. :D Also, I doubt that Etienne would accept a no from the DM.

[@fuckoffannoyingutube]

"BuT I'M oN THe sPEctRum!!!"

[@allintensiveporpoises2688]

OP: "I'm amazing and really good at DMing and also the game is all about the players and the DM shouldnt have fun with the experience. Also everyone loves me" Also OP:" So lemme tell you about this story of an angry selfish DM from my unbiased opinion"

[@Wolfe_Gaming85]

Not to be that guy but the dm is a player too and should be allowed to have fun aswell, but it's about balance

[@doctorlolchicken7478]

This sounds like a story that a “That Guy” would write to tell his side of what happened. I can paraphrase the whole thing as “Player takes advantage of inexperienced GM”. That whole bit about not knowing spell rules smacks of BS. He played a bard that didn’t fight and only cast spells, and he got the DM to let him use Tiny Hut offensively. Yet he does not know spell rules and got the DM to let him polymorph someone into a copper dragon, which is a perfect exploit for the situation. Nah, I don’t buy it. As a player, tricking an inexperienced DM is a dick move. His description at the end about what TTRPGs are about is also wrong. Everyone needs to have fun, not just the players. Personally, I think OP is a grade A gaslighting asshole.

[@smugscylla4481]

OP: Is mad about being railroaded OP: Also mad at not being railroaded after not talking to the DM at all Am I missing something here?

[@lupolover0482]

I feel bad for the DM. Yeah, he seems inexperienced, but no one talked to him or addressed their own concerns with his play style. This whole story sounds like a complete lack of communication between everyone.

[@bluedragonfly8139]

Weird how OP could talk to the players just fine, but not the DM. It seems like OP was one of those 'me against the DM' players.

[@ayf449]

Agreed the DM feels pretty fresh and the players sound like they just used and saw the dm as a DM nothing more.

[@mr.badguy8500]

Honestly this story feels like the DM keeps trying to not stifle the players' creativity, but everytime he does it the players basically take a massive dump on him. Specially during the Holiday story. I mean the players might as well set the DM's table on fire and and dance naked around him because they took his hard work and destroyed it, then they get antsy when the DM says no rewind. Why would you want to rewind when the players will keep doing it over and over, and sooner or later start getting agitated when the GM has to constantly say "no" to them? This is a story where OP and friends are more of a plague and the DM can barely keep them in check.

[@InsanoRider777]

"He should have said 'hey guys, I built a dungeon crawl. Could you just run it?'" Naw, OP saying that the GIANT, FUCKING, FOUR-TIERED CASTLE, wasn't enough of a hint about what it was, he needed Captain Obvious to fly in and spell it out for him?

[@bobfruck]

@@InsanoRider777 hey, did you see at the beginning how OP was on the spectrum and lacked communication skills? no? that's what i thought. edit: i can be an asshole and i apologize

[@InsanoRider777]

@@bobfruck Hey, did you know I'm on the spectrum and lack communication skills too? Doesn't give me any excuses in life, so I doubt it gives OP any either aside from internet brownie points.

[@bobfruck]

@@InsanoRider777 i worded that poorly and i truly apologize if i offended you. i didn't mean it as an excuse for anything, but due to my terrible wording, i see how it would come off that way. but the OP didn't mean to ruin the adventure; it was a consequence of the way OP and his friends played the game and the DM's lack of experience and a whole bunch of other things.

[@bluedragonfly8139]

@@bobfruck Nah, with all of the time OP spends bragging about how great they are at breaking games, I highly doubt that he 'didn't mean to'.

[@princesstheadorablecat]

Its what my character would do. Hah the time old excuse to do whatever you want.

[@blakchristianbale]

Umbra Highwind well yeah. He'd been playing the same character with the same group for years and told the new DM what kind of dynamic they had, it's really the DM's fault for giving them the wrong kind of campaign for their party

[@TheGuardDuck]

OP is pretty arrogant, tbh.

[@stevdawizard392]

Okay OP I'm calling you out dude, you calm you don't know how magic works however you knew exactly how Leomunds Tiny Hut works to the point where you thought you could break it, so what is it :? do you just know certain spells that'll break games or are you just lying all together?

[@patchmoulton5438]

My question is; If he was such a great DM and everyone loved playing his game (except obvious bad guy of the story [registered trade mark]), why didnt op just DM from the start? We know there were more than two other players (the "boring" ones op failed to mention except that time even though they supposedly had done _nothing_ in the story). Something isnt adding up here and its not because my calculator is currently behind a hole in my wall.

[@DrakeKnight99]

Because the guy who typed is full of shit and is trying to make Steven look like the bad guy while he's being a total dick about things

[@AndrusPr8]

Becuase he is not a good DM at all. A good DM knows the hardships of DMing and should be able to recognize the problems a PC can cause to a table.

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

@@DrakeKnight99 Pretty much every DM has times of wanting to be a player, so that much at least checks out

[@johnnykavanagh7684]

The DM clearly wasn’t great but I also don’t think I like OP that much

[@Alino-]

I'd prefer DM over the OP. This dm sounds like he just needs more experience. The OP sounds like a total asshat.

[@bobfruck]

@@Alino- at the beginning, he did say the party could very well have been at fault, and OP's lack of communication comes from him being on the spectrum.

[@draelos8570]

Steven sounds like a bloody legend. "Fuck this life!" lmao.

[@CrowbornChaos]

I am not a fan of the OP here. It sounds like a player was taking advantage of a new DM who didn't know how to handle their gamebreaker style of play. I also sympathize with the DM, even though he did make mistakes and there were a few instances of him being in the wrong, (Mainly the TPK attempt) but i can see that the DM did his best to avoid railroading his players, and the OP seems to mock him for trying to do so. If he said no to them, they likely would have complained of him Railroading them, so he seemed to be stuck in a rough situation either way. Either way, i would not want to DM for or even be in the OP's group. It does not sound like a fun group...

[@funnyfunnyvalentine7991]

Idiot

[@frostyenderman13]

"My bard is so perfect uwu he's never killed a living creature ever, he only has utility spells too" clashes entirely with "I decided to RP my character losing their shit and nearly killing their party members, but don't worry I saved them from purple worms immediately after" ALSO, even IF that whole never killing comment is true, he just beheaded several purple worms, so that merit's out

[@firockfinion3326]

Why would you get so angry about someone not knowing a spell correctly _when they just asked you for a chance to make sure they had it correct?!_

[@JohnMasterCheif]

I think it was more of what happened because of it, not that the spell wasn't known. the DM did shoot himself in the foot with that

[@Nildread]

@@JohnMasterCheif yeah, this story confuses me. The DM seems to always say "yes" to what the players are doing, even if it doesn't necessarily follow the rules. Which would maybe be cool, except he supposedly gets angry that they'd even ask. Then the op is always talking about purposefully trying to break games and how that's fun, but what they really want is for a DM to say "no" to their crazy ideas?

[@vaimantobe3034]

@@Nildread the problem is that they DM seems to be unable to say no. For the players you either allow something or you do not. This DM keeps saying 'yes', only to find out that it broke the game. Instead of admitting he should have said no, he chastizes the players for doing it. The players would have been fine with 'no' of it made for a cool adventure anyway. But a really good DM would have even been able to spin the ensuing events to their desired direction anyway, such as making the goblins acid resistant instead of having the party clear the entire castle immediately. Or they could have re-used the already prepared dungeon beyond their accidently cleared bit op dungeon. Tl;dr: the DM gets angry at players for doing things he agreed to in the first place

[@patchmoulton5438]

Alot of things aren't really adding up in this story. Aaaand then there is quite a bit of op self praise. This story sounds pretty sus to me. Either an outright fake or (more than likely) a heavily embellished story to make op look more favorable

[@scumbad7953]

He's mad that all the time he put in has been wasted, that said he could still have repurposed those maps for a later date or dungeon

[@wohlhabendermanager]

OP is right on one regard. He doesn't know how magic works. Firing a fireball at close range? Great idea, that shit explodes in a 20 foot radius. Igniting flammable stuff. Also, "fireball after fireball". You only got three of those, right? Because a bard only ever has 3 slots for level 3 spells maximum. Also... how do you cast Burning Hands when your only attack spell "by choice" is Fireball? Is Burning Hands a social spell and I have just used it wrong the whole time? Also, that's not how Tiny Hut works, according to the spell description. "Creatures and objects within the dome when you cast this spell can move through it freely," nothing here says "anything you don't want inside it is pushed out". Let alone the fact that the spell fails if there's a creature larger than the dome inside it. And has a 1 minute casting time on top of it. "So many Leomund huts are left to cast". Help me out here. How many spell slots does this bard have? Leomund's Tiny Hut is a 3rd level spell. You already casted "Fireball after Fireball" at close range and one Tiny Hut. That's three, if we are being generous (provided you even got Fireball as a bard. Maybe as magical secret? I don't know too much about 5e, sorry). And casting Burning Hands even though according to the rules Bards can't even get this spell. EDIT: I read some other comments, and it's apparently a racial ability. Still an attack spell, so "I chose Fireball as the only attack spell" is clearly a lie. And there were no magical items, as stated in part 1 of this story. So, what kind of house rules are they playing? That a bard is just another form of Sorcerer, one that can cast an unlimited amount of spells? No wonder he could take out the whole party single-handedly. Or... OP is just full of shit. Was Steven a bad DM for not calling OP out on the obviously rule breaking shit he just pulled off? I guess he was. But I bet Steven was pissed that players "had more fun when the Knight in Shining Armor And Professional Demi God OP was DM". EDIT some more: I really don't get what OP is trying to say (other than "I am such a great player AND DM and all the others in the group absolutely adore me, but I am also oh so humble because I talk with other players and am totally willing to tone it down if they want me to. I am such a great human being"). Steven planned the whole adventure differently. But decides to just roll with the direction the party is going. I don't see that as bad DMing tbh. That one-shot adventure? Huh, it was pretty obvious that they should've went down into the dungeon. It was written in neon-bright letters. But "oohhh, we are such experienced players, and have I mentioned that I am an absolute GOD when being a DM? And I also have a gf, how cool is that? And breaking the game is so much fun, and oh god I am such a great dude, but Steven? Totally railroaded us, even though he totally went along with all our shit we were pulling off". Yeah, I really don't get it. Maybe Steven could've handled the situation better, but I don't trust OP, since he comes across as a huge dick.

[@cameroncagan2396]

I think this is a lot of “first DM=Bad, player DM=Good”. I don’t believe we have the full story, since I get the feeling OP was talking himself up and over blowing some of the DMtrocities.

[@xmaswolf8733]

I haven’t played D&D yet But I’ve watched loads of videos OP seems like jerk Plus in the comments this story is fake and he doesn’t understand certain spells Like I’ve seen people talk about breaking the DM’s game But they usually do it on accident or their build is just really good OP was doing it on purpose and just because he’s evil doesn’t mean he as this huge flaming asshole I’ve made an evil character and he’s not really evil it’s just his actions are He’s a Great Old One Warlock Who’s patron is a Mindflayer that makes him harvest creature’s brains PS.Love your videos Crab All these Rp horror stories help me be prepared for when I play and have to deal problem players

[@jafd239]

How does a bard who solos his party, has a short temper, has fireball and burning hands, somehow never kill anything? Seems unlikely/out of character.

[@sergejkaschuba8933]

Beside the wrongly applyed mechanics of the "leomunds tiny hut" spell, the DM could have sidestepped the defeat of the purple wurm with some basic biology. Ever seen a snake swallow an egg? Jaws also don't require skulls. Lookin' at you bobbit worm.

[@CelestialAnamoly]

One more thought. I've known players like OP. This story could be entirely true from their own perspective. They are oblivious to the burden they place on the DM because they are too engrossed in their excellent role playing. Forgetting details of spells when it's in their favor is normal for these kind of players. This story is likely true if it's this kind of player. Especially since these players are hard to communicate with. In the game I'm in though, he still respects our GM and is willing to work with her.

[@ryanclapperton9449]

Yeah, embellishing and lying can be a subconscious decision too!

[@CruelestChris]

"You ruin my game by doing what you want!" Steve, buddy, pal, you're confusing DMing with a different game. I believe the one you want to play is called "writing." Mind you, this story sets off my BS detectors something fierce, I expect there's a second variant lurking around where Steve was dropping heavy hints this wasn't ok and Captain Oblivious here was merrily avoiding them all. OP sounds like the sort who encounters a genie and immediately tries wishing for more wishes.

[@CruelestChris]

@@onyxsuccubus The standard GM method of dicking over players wishing for infinite wishes is to have the genie grant infinite wishes to itself because you didn't specify.

[@kira7683]

Alternative title: OP abuses DM's lack of experience, cheats multiple times (conveniently forgetting to write down crucial details about spells); Both fail to communicate

[@averagejoe455]

"He pouted, and huffed, and refused to come." -Critcrab

[@Trinoya]

Sounds like the exact type of player I wouldn't want at my table. Even presuming everything he said is 100% true and not being sugar coated for consumption the simple fact of the matter is if he is as great as he claims (ignoring all the contradictions in his story as well) then he should have been offering advice or help to a less experienced DM, not intentionally doing things based on seeing it upsetting the DM. It's called a game for a reason. Everyone there is supposed to be having fun.

[@brandonaumiller3997]

OP throws an in-character temper tantrum and incapacitates a party member with fireball *Complains that they're only at 1 health when enemies appear*

[@ihavenohotcocoa6101]

I understand where Steven was coming from in this case. I’m a new DM and I made a game I was extremely underprepared for. One of my players abused the fact that I didn’t know all that much to one shot my bosses by controlling them into suicide, and I did nothing. As a DM you feel like you need to let players do what they want, especially if you’re a doormat like I am. I hold a lot of spite for that player now, being as I spent a while planning out those bosses. In this case the DM probably was relatively new to DMing, and didn’t want to come off as rude or controlling. I probably would’ve done the same in his situation, because for me putting my foot down when the players break the game just feels controlling, especially when one of my players is a complete rules lawyer who gets on my case if I can’t give a reason for a specific choice. It took me quitting as DM to get that kid to stop one-shoting my bosses

[@darthpotassium]

I feel like the DM was pretty good considering he tried his best not to railroad the group, going along with the group as long as they had fun. The title "Pretends they have choices" is wrong. Because they had a lot of choices, and he went with them, he only got angry when they questioned every thing he said.

[@ronaldmahan8417]

This sounds so fake. Like "Oh yeah i was an asshole but everyone LOVED IT" "Oh and they were TOTALLY FINE with me almost killing them over some questions" #SoQuirky oh and hes supposed to be all apologetic and treat the wounds etc. Sounds like a neckbeard just wanted an excuse to M'Lady a little harder. He meta gamed that whole thing just to what? Also the DM apparently went on some rant or something but the rant was not posted(nothing actually shown of what the dm says either). The DM not knowing that the party had metagamed a situation used the age old "throw some baddies to stop tpk" move. The argument "The dm is god" ignores that the players matter too. If the dm just says "nah that does not work" over and over to railroad you then that sucks. Also "Your the DM its your job to let the players have fun" no not at all. The DM's job is to also have fun themselves. This whole thing reads so much like a retelling of some guy just wants to sound #SoQuirky....

[@Nildread]

Also leomunds tiny hut shouldn't work the way it did. He should be happy the DM aloud it. It has a minute casting time, the player in the worm would have died while they were casting. Edit: silly mobile auto correct

[@grimmcrag8715]

Agreed. Also in my experience if someone tells you a story of an argument where the other party is shouting and ranting but the person telling the story is super reasonable and "I could have said this this and this but I'm better than that so I was super polite and understanding" they're lying.

[@ronaldmahan8417]

@@grimmcrag8715 Yup. I COULD have been mean but see im nice so instead....

[@yourbiggestfan395]

Eh. People I played with played characters they did pretty much the same thing and we all thought it was cool. It's a social game based around having fun with friends and not taking things too seriously. I also think the DM's fun comes from having fun with like, I dunno, their friends? I dunno what kind of a loser DM needs to "win" dnd by killing off players to have fun, sounds kinda dickish.

[@Nildread]

@@yourbiggestfan395 no one here was saying that the only way a DM can have fun is by killing pcs?

[@man-qw2xj]

The editing quality is 100% visible here. I especially like the new censor noise.

[@MyFrogEatsPeople]

Generally grinding my teeth at how often OP insists that DM can just handwave the world into whatever he wants. "His word is law" or "he could just say no". But if DM had done that, you know OP would complain about being railroaded...

[@Chopthemonions]

I feel that OP is in the wrong. I mean he did instantly get off on the wrong foot with me with the “I’m on the spectrum” stuff. As someone who is also on the spectrum, my biggest pet peeve is someone using their diagnosis as a shield of criticism. The pvp stuff could’ve been easily solved by talking to the dm. And since OP is “such a good dm” he should know that communication is key. 18:40 really pissed me off. DND is NOT about just the players. It’s about everyone. If the dm isn’t having fun, what the hells the point. The job of the DM (which op should know as he paraded how great his dming is) is to tell a collaborative story. Building a world together. Escaping from the dreary monotony of reality through a game of epic adventures. I believe OP was in the wrong here, especially due to the one sided narration.

[@bluedragonfly8139]

OP sounds like they have main character syndrome, bad!

[@destroyerinazuma96]

I hope Etienne finds a masochistic Tiefling Bard who enjoys teasing him.

[@annabella1650]

That or an overly kind (and powerful) water elemental, who likes giving hugs to grumpy bar stools.

[@danielflowers4699]

Tiny Hut wouldn’t have affected the worm since it was inside the casting radius tho. Also it has a casting time of 1 minute.

[@grimmcrag8715]

Saint OP, the king of being super reasonable and understanding, lord of breaking the game, master dungeon master and one of the greatest fiction writers of all time. 😂

[@annabella1650]

Grimm Crag Saint OP of delusion.

[@tarvoc746]

He has as many titles as Daenerys, and also loves to burn down other people's stuff just as much. XD

[@christophersmith8848]

"Steve had an issue with what I was doing, and I, in my infinite wisdom and magnanimity, explained to him that he was wrong and that's why he was an asshole."

[@InsanoRider777]

Simultaneously a total asshole with a hair-trigger temper and smoothly charismatic. Is a complete pacifist, yet the "only" combat spell is Fireball and he shits on his party in a rage. Doesn't understand magic, but plays the casting class whose spell list mostly contains complex magic with multiple paragraphs of effect text.

[@arellajardin8188]

@@InsanoRider777 A bit late, but yeah, the character concept is just a mess. I’m sure the OP thinks his bard is “complex”, but it’s a bunch of disparate ideas mashed together. A charismatic pacifist that’ll murder his party over a disagreement? You don’t lob fireballs and assault someone in blind rage, then claim to have the ability to know when to stop short of killing them.

[@inkognitoxxvi3278]

Op sounds like a person, that is very much in love with himself, the dm sounds like a beginner who made mistakes and should learn a bit from his mistakes. Also, this very much sounds like one of these great cases of "magic ruins everything, but I never read the rules for any of it.". Thanks, I hate it. (the story, not you crab)

[@Lohnstar_]

I was struggling with part 1 and was giving part 2 a benefit of doubt but OPs self-praising narration and the leomunds hut thing just.. gah. I feel bad for Steven.

[@Jermbot15]

Confused two spells. Leomund's Tiny Hut has a 1 minute cast time so you'd have to be in the purple worm for 5 full rounds before you could even cast it. I don't know about this story. I don't really trust the narrative the OP presented, but it was unpolished enough that it might be true. Edit: Nevermind, just read the OP's 'explanation' for how he managed to cast Leomund's Tiny Hut. And given this was a blitz by 4 purple worms and he explicitly said there were still purple worms alive after he pulled this off, I don't believe him at all.

[@filipferencak2717]

Yeah, this makes no sense to me.

[@Nildread]

It's very weird to say the least. There might be some truth to it, but underneath all the nonsense. Otherwise, them mentioning that there were other players that they didn't bring up because they were boring, is more concerning than it already was.

[@Jermbot15]

@@Nildread Particularly since he is apparently their DM half the time.

[@alexandriagrimm888]

THE BigDickWizard6969??!? Thats all she wrote boiz, pack it in, we're boned.

[@leeland245607]

ahh i figured it out. 18:40. this "player" thinks dnd is only about the players and not the dm. dnd is about having fun for everyone at the table. also ya the dm doesn't sound very good but omg OP is 100% a p.o.s., probably lying about 99% of this story and is trying so hard to sound cool.

[@fhuber7507]

When the DM makes a wrong ruling and breaks his own game...

[@thezerowulf507]

When op makes up story for attention.

[@filipferencak2717]

@@thezerowulf507 You know what's up.

[@Atariese]

That actually is the entire story here... all the rest is background which really isn't necessary.

[@filipferencak2717]

@@Atariese Or the OP made it all up. Certainly sounds that way to me.

[@Atariese]

@@filipferencak2717 my saying "story" and "background" doesn't imply factual information or lack thereof :P Its the internet. Truth and fiction just isn't relevant. Just like how my response isn't relevant to my post.

[@Praegressus1]

"The spell fails if its area includes a larger creature or more than nine creatures." & "Casting time: 1 Minute" - Page: 255 Players Handbook. Bad use of spells is bad.

[@returnofthechickentendies2844]

"Hey look at me im so cool lol look at my girlfriend haha i play a evil elemental PC XD so funny and quirky and im like the BEST roleplayer out there my party of also bad aligned characters (who I won't even include their names here because I'm SOOO much better than them) love me and I ALSO AM A BARD WHO GOT COMBAT SPELLS AND AGAIN, BETTRR THAN ANYONE IN MY PARTY AT DOING THAT and Im also a very beter DM who only runs pre-written adventres haha breaking games are so fun lol and btw you cant say anything about me I'm on the spectrum pls feel bad for me :( but remember I'm the coolest guy and the superlative best player/DM out there lol" Well, I think Steven's adventure can count as cringy D&D greentext, but the actual horror story here is this guy

[@myname9130]

otaco ordinario This player gives evil characters and Bards a bad name :(

[@Nildread]

Don't forget "alien mind leads party and is a social butterfly"

[@myname9130]

Logan Chiminera Someone saying they're the party leader always makes me think it's fake tbh. Real DnD parties don't usually have leaders

[@Nildread]

@@myname9130 to be fair, there are times where you have "the face" type thing. Where you send the high charisma character to sweet talk everyone. But the way op supposedly plays the game, there's a part of me that thinks he wouldn't be above using his charisma stat to force everyone to agree to anything he wants.

[@gauracappelletti3893]

This sounds like you're mad at someone else in real life