Critical Role DROPS D&D in their New Show: Candela Obscura

[@BobWorldBuilder]

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[@SilverScribe85]

I'm happy CR is taking things in a new direction with their content...but this new campaign they plan on doing just doesn't resonate with me. I love the mystery/horror feel of it but I prefer to READ Mystery and Horror rather than watch that much content based on the genres. For me, only fantasy-themed RPGs will capture my interests

[@Spark_Chaser]

Forged in the Dark is the Blades in the Dark system. You were right.

[@seanleafgreen135]

Spoken like a true fanboy . I'm sure the gang at Critrole will enjoy the cuckage you're promoting

[@nickcarpenter3109]

​@@SilverScribe85 fantasy is good but really it's become way too saturated with movies,video games,books and of course tabletop. If I can do anything yo get away from fantasy at this point the better.

[@SilverScribe85]

@@nickcarpenter3109 I get it; at this point, some people might feel fatigued by it all (much like people have been with Marvel movies lately.) But from MY perspective, the Fantasy genre has been sorely limited these past few years. Sure; we've got stuff on streaming like House of the Dragon, Rings of Power and of course, Legend of Vox Machina (with Mighty Nein coming to Prime soon next.) But Rings has become a HUGE letdown and when it comes to movie, no one puts any effort into the work anymore. It's just special effects and nothing substantial to follow it up. Horror is no better either; while YOU'VE been feeling worn out by the Fantasy genre, it's Horror that's been that way for me. You've seen one story with vampires, werewolves, zombies or a murder mystery; you've seen them all and THIS direction CR is going feels just like that

[@cloud4an]

Wizards wanted to get a cut of the Critical Role pie, completely forgetting CR has not needed them for a long time.

[@FiLtheThriL]

Seriously? As if CR didn't almost single handedly create this renaissance.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Exactly! critical role has has their own awesome pie for a while now.

[@shaunhall960]

@@FiLtheThriL Actually yes, D&D was dying before they came along and they changed that and got old players and new one excited about D&D and the gaming hobby in general. WotC is the one to blame for hurting our hobby in the first place. Having said this it really is sad this all happened and it didn't have too. Had WotC encouraged the hobby and gave content creators the love they deserved we wouldn't be talking about this.

[@DavidJWGibson]

@@shaunhall960 D&D was actually doing quite well following the release of 5e. 5e was doing gangbusters for its first 2-3 years before the Critical Role bump became a thing and campaign 1 build up enough word of mouth to become a phenomena.

[@DavidJWGibson]

WotC got a cut of the pie. They published two books to Critters in partnership with CR and get a tonne of money on the DMsGuild for Mercer's creations. They actually GIVE CR money, by way of D&D Beyond sponsorship, because they know it's such good advertising. The OGL changes were 100% to stop larger corporations (Disney for example) from jumping into the RPG field using D&D's rules. They'd almost certainly have cut an individual deal with Mercer and CR to have it not affect them.

[@Aaron-pj3ky]

One point not mentioned is that streaming shows is a compelling way to learn a system's basic structure, even if you don't learn the rules in detail. Sitting down and reading a 100+ page Player's Handbook is daunting, but it's not so bad if you've been following a show with that system and got a basic understanding of how it's played. I first learned Dungeons&Dragons from the first season of Adventure Zone and they were *terrible* at knowing how to play the game, but it still helped me out when starting in a game proper.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

So true!

[@matthewparker9276]

Especially if you're motivated to watch the show anyway, because you're already a fan of the cast.

[@Pootythief]

This is how I learned 5e, watching CR C2.

[@pvic6959]

yeah! I learned most of the rules through CR and then actually looked at the books haha

[@green_dragon_knight]

Absolutely- I learned 5e mostly from watching CR, and when I wanted to learn Monster of the Week I listened to The Adventure Zone’s mini campaign Amnesty (it’s great btw, I really recommend it)

[@CharoGaming]

I hope more publishers make videos explaining how their systems are played. That's the only way our group even learned how to play dnd

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Most of the time it's just fans of the game making videos! They're not likely to pop into one's YT feed, but they're usually out there if you're searching for a game with even a small following.

[@shaunhall960]

Yes!

[@artloveranimation]

they are gonna make their own "how to play" video soon

[@ccarter1988]

Yep literally I keep saying that a huge reason people bite on 5e and CoC making them the highest played games out there...are because of the amount of easy to run oneshots and adventure modules for them. If a creator puts out a campaign setting in the hopes someone loves the setting, great....but if you product a few oneshots to show off the interest system mechanics and a module that will slowly introduce players to the world...makes the DMs load less (aka more likely for DM to want to try) and then players can get the itch to learn more.

[@dittrich04]

Shadowdark does their own videos on how to play.

[@Harlizarrd]

Critical Role switching to Daggerheart mid-C3-on-stream would be funniest shit, honestly. "Thanks for the DNDBeyond ad Sam, now onto the game. Tonight we're abandoning DNDBeyond-"

[@OneWingedAngelsBand]

Watch Sam make some Daggerheart ad that has some shit like breaking up with DND Beyond or something like that 😂

[@ooooneeee]

Daggers are good for backstabbing 🗡️😈

[@BobWorldBuilder]

god bless Sam Riegel

[@Questfinder1]

No, they'll be as amazing about it as they were with Brian and the first guy from c1.

[@Dracobyte]

​@@Questfinder1 Orion Acaba?

[@thegreatdane908]

It does seem like the episode where they show how to switch might be a little more confrontational than CR wants to be, but I could definitely see them just making the switch and also putting out a video on youtube or something explaining what the transition looks like, but just in a general sense. Love the direction all of this is going, thank you for the videos!

[@shaunhall960]

Those dice are beautiful. On another note I hope CR allows other game developers and content creators to use their system as well as promoting other game systems. We really do need a lot of love in our hobby right now considering everything that has happened over the years.

[@GrayArmyGaming]

A test case to see how the community responds in order to judge how to move forward with replacing D&D with Daggerheart in Season 4? 🤔

[@chasestreet8082]

I've seen some people that are concerned that CR's new game will hurt Call of Cthulhu, which I absolutely love. I am more than willing to see what the game is like though, as I'm all for anyone showing there are other games and genres out there besides D&D and fantasy. Looking forward to seeing what this is going to be like!

[@davidjennings2179]

I think learning rules by osmosis as you watch a compelling show is how a lot of people prefer to learn. That audience CR has access to will have a passing knowledge of how to play after and episode or two even if they didn't intend to. Its how I got into blades in the dark (Oxventure have a great series for that) and Call of Cthulhu. All in all I'm really looking forward to the broadening of interests I think this will promote. Fingers crossed it starts a golden age for TTRPGs.

[@ellyjockey6164]

During the OGL controversy, I wished that someone would make another TTRPG and take care of it better than wotc ever will. Here we are. Daggerheart is incoming and I'm excited.

[@WilliamSlayer]

Thanks for the updates sir! I, like many others who have played DnD for many many years, thank everyone for trying out the system while it was 'cool' and (as usual) many people will move along and we thank you for having fun with us along the way! 😊

[@alantesser1645]

Bob - You're killin' it! Or buildin' it? I've been curious about the rumblings I've heard regarding CR's two new systems, but not curious enough to go digging just yet. This video made it so I didn't have to; thanks for condensing the info and providing some keen speculation.

[@Matthewcmiel]

GREAT video, glad you mentioned the designers spearheading these projects, and how cool they are. Seriously great vid, bob!

[@jackhelm9852]

OK Bob, you have hooked me enough that I now make your videos a priority to watch when I see them come across my subscription list. Sooooo, time to support what I love. Glad to be a new Patreon supporter and delighted to help someone like you who can put out such balanced and fun content without fire or malice and only to promote the wide world of gaming in general (and all the companionship and fellowship that comes along with TTRPG's). Looking forward to seeing what both of the new Crit Roll games have to offer. Not sure if I will play them or not, sort of grounded in my own system for decades now (Hero System) but anything that builds the hobby is of interest to me. I am one of those folks you spoke of that could care less what system is being used, I watch for the story and the folks. So looking forward to new genre's being explored like Candala Obscura. Keep up the great work! Can't wait to see what you produce in the future.

[@luffyswaifu420]

seriously love your videos, you always talk about things in such a non-biased, straight journalistic way, while still being entertaining and I cant stress enough how much we need people like you in this world.

[@keeganbarth2100]

I primarily learned how to play D&D from watching Critical Role. I think if they had a huge event happen in C3 that was world-changing and they switched to daggerheart, it would be a genius way to grow the system. Even if it is a temporary change until the in game world goes back to normal.

[@decoy2424]

CR has an uncanny ability to help people learn how to play systems by immersion. Anything their audience is going to watch, is going to learn how to play 2ndHand. I even started watching their CoC game just so I can see how mechanics are used in game. Their daggerheart game is going to do well, especially for those who prefer social interactions in-game. Love your content Bob, you definitely have expertise in Insight.

[@phillip_rogersjr]

To quote Spock, “There is a historic opportunity here.”

[@markdunlap9960]

I would love if they converted campaign three to the new system but I’ve honestly been looking forward to a new start with the new system

[@eliontheinternet3298]

I don’t think they would ever fully convert away from DND (especially not right away) but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they did a special one-shot episode of their current characters in the new system to show people what it would be like to switch.

[@jaedavas3050]

I have to credit Critical Role for introducing me to Deadlands (UnDeadwood series). It's exciting to see people getting interested not only in D&D, but in the TTRPG hobby as a whole! As an aside, I love d6 dice pools. D20's are great at creating tension, but terrible for consistency (it is possible but takes work, e.g., PF2E). Either way, I look forward to seeing what they cook up.

[@ericaltmann5711]

This is a good thing. Good on ‘em. There is a lot more to ttrpgs than just d&d. Exposing newer gamers to new systems is great, and a very healthy thing for the community and the hobby in general.

[@demetrinight5924]

I am certainly interested in trying the new systems put out by Critical Roll. I've already picked up DCC and Frostgrave and one of my friends got Thirsty Sword Lesbians. I have Pathfinder 1e. A new system isn't as scary as it used to be.

[@tribaltalker1608]

Just a quick question for Bob - would you be up for a YT post to get a feel for how many of us are planning to watch Candela Obscura? And a follow up after the first episode? I get the impression that some people are exclusively invested in 5e and others are following the live-play cast members regardless of system. Of course if you've already done this, then you will also know that I'm embarrassed... and in my defense, YT sometimes does a terrible job of getting posts to subscribers.

[@gamewrit0058]

7:18 Note to self: Download free candela obscura quick start guide tomorrow, on Thursday, May 25, 2023, before the premier. (Rubs hands together in excitement.) 🎲🎲🎲🎲🎲🎲

[@BobWorldBuilder]

--and same note to everyone else!!

[@mattw.6726]

It's definitely going to be interesting to see how this plays out. In the meantime, I'd like to suggest checking out sci-fi RPG Stars Without Number (Revised) and/or its fantasy cousin Worlds Without Number. In addition to their own game rules, a huge section (read: most) of each book is dedicated to system-neutral worldbuilding, with all sorts of random generation tables to help things along. As such, I feel like they might be right up your alley. Even better, DriveThruRPG has a free version of the core rulebook for each, so you can check them out without having to throw down cash beforehand. Anyway, I'd really be interested to see your take on Kevin Crawford's sandbox setting generation tools. (I was kind of blown away by his depth of thought in many regards.)

[@calicothecappuccinogurl9874]

Keeping low hopes for a pleasant surprise. Honestly I have very big concerns about this, and this is coming from a critter who's cought up with the whole show and almost all side show's and one shots. As much as I love critical role they flopped BIG TIME on the blood hunter being very lackluster & other things like the Echo knight etc being broken at the same time. A lot of function's have so many holes in them because of ideas being poorly translated into the system with bad writing and cross checking nuance things players can do with certain abilities. ie: Aether walk; what happens if you leave something inside of a creatures body like a bomb or a dagger in the stomach? cuz it has enough space to still be considered "nearest unoccupied space", etc etc... There are just simple not enough examples or well used words and such in the ability descriptions.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Good points! Ultimately I think that shows how CR (and Matt's design) doesn't really fit with 5e where every little thing needs to be spelled out. Most games leave things up to interpretation so the players can be creative and the GM can actually be a GM, making calls about what should work and what shouldn't

[@knick5639]

I could be wrong about but I was under the impression that once published under Wizards content CR lost control over that content meaning they couldn't make changes/updates to work better. This may have been a contributing factor in setting up their own publishing and why the new Taldorei book didn't show up in Wizards store. I know balance isn't easy but Wizards has shown alot they didn't really care about making subclasses even balanced with eachother.

[@calicothecappuccinogurl9874]

@@BobWorldBuilder ya totally there are also many examples of how dnd kinda writes itself into a corner with how things work like hex not working with magic missle even tho it 100% logic wise etc etc

[@calicothecappuccinogurl9874]

@@knick5639 agreed at that point wotc should'a done some damage control or proof reading but it doesn't seem that that was the case.

[@mattbriddell9246]

I think there's enough room for CritRole to do D&D and roll their new system out at the same time if they want to. They've definitely expanded to the point where they have a larger pool for casting than just the original CR group. My husband keeps insisting that there's some kind of merger in the works with Dimension 20 based on the amount of crossover appearances that have been going on lately with those two channels/groups, so that would certainly give them the expanded talent group they need to add new gaming system campaigns to their network if they want to go that way.

[@ladyprussia3618]

From my experience, I am a DM in an org where we have a fair few different tables and DM's running both long and short term campaigns. I run the most Roleplay heavy tables both short and long term, and I have already have a few people reach out if I would be interested in doing some oneshots of Candela Obscura

[@benjaminchild3227]

I think there's a level of cultural awareness that DnD has that won't soon be overtaken, but even if Daggerheart only became the second most popular TTRPG, I'd imagine that would still be an enormous win for CR. I do think it also gives them a chance to have a real renaissance, to bring in a new group of viewers who will become loyal daggerheart fans, even if they've never watched the previous seasons.

[@quizzitnizzpin2695]

Great video! What you didn't really hit on is that a high profile streaming show going their own way is a great thing for us players (read: consumers) because it will create high profile competition for D&D. With that level of competition, WotC won't be able to rest on their laurels as easily, and will need to step fairly lively to stop loosing market share from not only needing to make up all of the lost good will from the OGL nonsense they pulled, but also to complete with CR's new stuff. Not to mention the eventual interest fall off after the Stranger Things excitement finally has passed that you spoke about. The irony of it all is it has kind of turned the infamous phrase, "You won and so did we [sic]." into kind of a self fulfilling prophesy. Perhaps not in the way WotC had imagined 🤣, but everything in the TTRPG world can't help but get better from this point!!

[@GrayArmyGaming]

Didn’t they actually start with Pathfinder in their home game, and then switch to D&D 5e out of expediency? It is not hard to imagine they would do the same for n favor of their own system.

[@pndmike6330]

Correct! Percy was a gunslinger because that was a class in pf1e, and Matt homebrewed the bones of it to fit in the 5e engine. They also used the Golarian gods/pantheon for most of campaign 1.

[@GrayArmyGaming]

@@pndmike6330 Wow! Thanks for the extra background!! I didn’t realize that gunslinger was a thing in PF1. I just thought Matt came up with it on his own. 👍

[@somik-i3x]

100 % Daggerheart is gonna be a hit. Tales of the Valiant kickstarter is working really well, so people still want 5e type of system. Said what you want about Pathfinder 2e, it's design could be seen as the opposite of 5e which alienate some audience of 5e. So if Daggerheart is aiming to be more rule light than Pathfinder, it could help to get some old 5e fan on board For me, I am curious about Daggerheart even if it keep the trend of fantasy being the main genre of TTRPG (I much prefer supernatural and sci-fi setting)

[@stewi009]

That Alice is Missing game looks pretty interesting. I know I can just Google it, but if you have done or would do a video on it, I'd be interested to hear more of your opinions on the subject.

[@nanorider426]

I would LOVE if CR converts to their own system on camera. This would be a nail in Wizards coffin. Not the final nail but a nail nonetheless. ^^

[@lycaonlycos2140]

In all honesty I never played DnD (I just love some of the monsters) and I would totally love seeing them do a 'how to easy switch to daggerheart' Video.

[@Synetik]

They played in another system before. They have a campaign called UnDeadwood.

[@BenC...1975]

It makes total sense for them to switch systems mid-campaign. The roleplay is by far the most interesting aspect of their streaming content which gets bogged down during combat, often for hours.

[@MarceldeJong]

Truth be told, they have done smaller series of Undeadwood before. It’s not exactly the first time they deviate from D&D 5e. But still it’s exciting to see them creating new systems of their own. CR campaign 4 is going to be interesting.

[@iduno3592]

Based on Ashleys outfit in the candela obscura trailer I really hope we get to hear her aggressively British accent in a more long running campaign

[@RealKeetz]

I'd watch it. LOVE the voice actors. I love D&D as well, but I can learn more than one system. And I adore the setting & lore. 🤩

[@lostmessiah]

Gotta wonder if the Daggerheart system is going to go down the OSR route and base itself on B/X or BECMI. Although I guess it seems maybe a bit more likely that they'll take the O5R route and base their system heavily around the foundation laid out in 5E, as they do have their own playerbase to worry about and the familiarity might be a help for some of the members of their crew that just still seem to struggle with understanding the rules of the game they've been playing every week for the last 8 years.

[@plasticmans3036]

It would be incredible if Critical Role cast blended the current campaign lore with their transition to Daggerheart system, like the Exandria was finally destroyed and re-created, where the newly created world is the one governed under Daggerheart system in the final arc. That would be a great powerplay throughout TRPG streaming history!

[@zixserro1]

I don't think they'll convert mid-campaign. I even think they'll start a brand new campaign with new characters using Daggerheart. But eventually, a returning character will show up, with a character sheet ready to go, and make a fully separate video showing how they converted that character from 5E to DH.

[@littlegiantj8761]

I'm honestly curious what they put out. Wildemount is the best written setting book for 5e, so the new system has high hopes from me.

[@Baraz_Red]

They have used other systems for other settings, but creating their new system and announcing it only once it was ready (!), that is something!

[@TheOnlyKrazykat]

You only counted their KZbin views... it would have been interesting if you had included not just their Twitch views but also the podcast listeners (although there are so many podcast platforms that it would be difficult to include those).

[@qarsiseer]

converting 5e to Daggerheart I think they’ll do it on one of their GM advice youtube videos not on a stream. Probably a series of videos!

[@stefanklein7500]

On live shows CR often(?) always(?) asked who started playing D&D because of the show. My impression is the response was overwhelming. When they switch to Daggerheart either the ongoing campaign or start a new campaign, the majority of those will switch too. I think it's very hard to gauge how big the crowd of "casual" TTRPG players is, how many D&D players just bought some books and simply play. They might not even be aware of the OGL "controversy". They might know there are other systems, they might have heard of pathfinder but to them that's something strange only the real nerds play. When CR switches at least some of them might reconsider their game system too.

[@leroybyrd7545]

As an old fan of Call of Cthulhu I wonder how different this game will be. It would also be cool if they signed on to the ORC license

[@djgiermann8826]

Chaosieum has done their own multipart mini series called Bookshops or Arkham usijg call of Cthulhu and i thought it was sooo good.

[@solaries3]

I haven't been watching Campaign 3, but I'd check back in for a campaign in a new system.

[@MennoNate]

I'm commenting to increase engagement. Great video, Bob, keep building!

[@dirigoallagash3464]

Ugh! Heart broken, Bob. 8:30 Over the last 2-3 years I've been shocked at how much more I prefer d6 dice pool systems over d20. I'd be curious to hear what dice pool systems you've tried. Either way I'm very happy to see CR break from Hasbruh. Cheers.

[@Retri51]

Changing system mid campaign would call for a too strict comparison and characters might lose their core. It woul be better give a goodbye to dnd and showing how to create new diverse characters from scratch

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Yeah there's definitely pros and cons

[@nikoteardrop4904]

Just blew my mind with the lack of familiarity of Forged in the Dark (which yes, are games based on Blades in the Dark). Great example of just how big the RPG scene really is

[@marcusblankenship6345]

Sounds like after c3 is done CR will continue D&D in random one shots starring the characters they’ve made in the last 3 campaigns. Their new system will take front and center.

[@BananaBLACK]

Pretty sure the first few episodes used Pathfinder. I will check later.

[@AinaLove73]

For all my fellow D&D and Critical Role fans out there, let's chat about the new system that Critical Role is developing. I've been a D&D player and Dungeon Master for 30 years. My love for Critical Role lies in the outstanding role-play and player dynamics - elements often missing in many role-play games, including my own. The camaraderie and focus that the Critical Role team displays are awe-inspiring. However, will this lead me to adopt their new system? Well, I'm still on the fence about that. The system needs to evolve significantly before it can compete with the maturity and extensive online community that D&D provides. The readily available rules clarifications and sage advice are invaluable assets for D&D players. Now, with D&D One on the horizon and Wizards of the Coast striving for backward compatibility, this might be a good time to consider transitioning to a new system. But bear in mind, it took me a while to transition from D&D 2e; I didn't even DM 3e or 4e. So, let's see how things unfold in the next 2-3 years. Whether it's D&D or any other RPG system, the magic lies in the stories we create and the bonds we form!

[@Bizzb33]

my question is will it have a class system? that is what pulls me

[@quinnbrentson151]

This one is NOT a replacement for DnD. They have that system coming (called Daggerheart), but this system is intended for short-form games with no character advancement. Definitely still interested, though.

[@ChristopherSniezek]

I'd love to support you by buying a set of dice at some point, but I no longer buy dice with fewer than 8 sides for d20 systems. (d4s and d6s with 12 sides roll better!)

[@soninhodev7851]

i'm currently desining my own TTRPG system, my idea was to make random encounters more interesting using stuff from pokemon...

[@jefftheless]

Nah man, they did Undeadwood, a 4 episode series using a Savage Worlds setting. And then all of the oneshots they've done in other systems like Monsterheart and Wendy's

[@ombrascura]

It's really the perfect storm! the shitstorm on WotC, the launch of One DnD... I really have high hopes for Illumineted Worlds and Daggerheart. And I also pray that they will be translated quickly 🙂

[@crschoen123]

It's crazy, but as huge as 1.26 Billion hours of watch time sounds, the whole of Critical Role is ~1500 hours at present. And considering the majority of the videos on youtube have >1 million views, it's entirely possible CR has more "viewing hours". Though it's by WAY fewer people given that the whole of Stranger Things is probably 1/50 the length of CR.

[@tomkelly00]

*hell, it's about damn time*

[@princeblackelf4265]

Just FYI, yes Forged in the Dark is a derivative of Blades

[@michaelcoetzee4344]

They wouldn't do a live switch for the 3rd campaign. Critical Role understand the importance of moving on without burning bridges. But yes, they'd be silly not to at least try and switch to their own system for the next long term campaign.

[@delecti]

Stranger Things' 1.26 Billion hours is likely still *far* less than Critical Role's watch time. Their KZbin channel has has 630 million views, campaign episodes are most of that, and they average 3-4 hours. Counting a "watch" as 2 hours per video (only slightly rounding up from half of 3-4), would make for the same 1.26 Billion hours, and that's before counting any watch time from Twitch or Geek & Sundry. Where Stranger Things probably takes the win is that it's far more people watching: there's only ~34 hours of ST, but over 1000 of CR, and people are probably more likely to watch ST as a larger group.

[@Jelly_Skelly]

If Mica Burton is promoting it, I'm interested.

[@dminasweater4868]

I may actually watch that. Always support a breakaway when a company has mercernaries on the payroll

[@MikChaos]

I cant see them switching systems until they begin the next main campaign. But bare in mind that regular sponsor of the show is DndBeyond, i dont see that continuing if they stop using D&D as their main system.

[@marcofelipe838]

Great video as always Bob!

[@ShurikenSean]

we know daggerfall has to be a d20 system or laura would kill the rest of the cast with her avalanche of dice

[@twistedturns65]

Had WotC fostered more of a community mindset, maybe allowed for product delays for more polished releases (looking at you Spelljammer), and you know, not have tried to screw over the OGL or send Pinkerton's to harass a KZbinr for their own mistake, I'd probably be just happy for this news rather than rooting for anything that kicks them in the craw.

[@teh201d]

I, for one, welcome our new non-D&D overlords.

[@brykwoad8413]

I am with you on not being as enthused in the d6 pool system. Not they are bad, I have played ALOT of Shadowrun over the years and some Star Wars (that that was like 25 yeas ago and I don't remember much other then was just d6's) d20 or percentile (just 5x more divided really) have been my preference. But hey I am open and maybe they way this system plays will move my opinion on d6 dice pool systems up a bit.

[@VelvetCake423]

i def agree that a mid-campaign switch is a bit too agreesive.... i dont think Matt would opt for that as the group as a whole dont seem to have bad blood with Wizards and in general probably dont want to burn any bridges. I can see, however, something near the end of the current campaign going the way of FF14 Online Ver1.0 and the world being "reborn" into a new system for the 4th campaign

[@RIVERSRPGChannel]

Yes I think CR can really hurt WotC profits with dagger heart. Yes I think they could shift their 5e to their new system. Serves WotC right.

[@gregsquire9704]

Not their first time switching rpg systems for a game. They can use Daggerheart, illuminated worlds, and the d&d systems all at once in multiple different games if they want to. Im old enough to remember when at d&ds height during the late 80s to early 2000s multiple d20 systems available. For the most part though, pathfinder and d&d has passed them in popularity. It will be interesting to see if the short term illuminated world's systems and the campaign system daggerheart becomes as popular as pathfinder and d&d

[@CelticSurferGaming]

I'm fairly sure this isn't the first time CR has played a non-D&D game...

[@gegegebebebe5087]

I have to admit, I watch Critical Role not because they play dnd but even though they play dnd. They are just sympathetic and funny people and I enjoy to see how they have fun together. AND, of course, they are trained actors, so they know how to make good character play. I really hope they drop DnD. A monopoly situation will never make it happen that good ideas will rise up from nowhere, indie developers, 3rd party content creators and so on. And there are so many cool rule systems out there that need to be experienced.

[@RadeFoxxy]

WotC helped me decide to go learn and buy Pathfinder 2e, for sure!

[@gerthddyn]

I realize that it may track for google searches, but they were never playing 5E or 4e in Stranger Things (I've never cared to see if they were playing AD&D or 2nd Edition as I played both when they were still relevant), and it doesn't guarantee people who were actively trying out the game. If WotC had kept going with the utter trash that was 4e, it wouldn't have looked at ALL like what ST characters were playing on that series. 5E only has some vague semblance to early AD&D iterations and powers and attacks are nothing like it. Lots of old school players gave up on WotC and came back AFTER CR showed us the system in action. If CR had stuck with PF1, a lot of us old school, who had moved over to PF1 after 4e, would have been fine staying with that comfortable "3.75" that Paizo came up with. Experienced DM/GMs coming back to play 5E after we were shown the system wasn't utter crap is a big reason why the totally new ST/CR derived players had somewhere to try it out without doing it once and then giving it up. CR showing us another system and all the rolls and how it is played really is a good way to get DMs/GMs interested in learning the rules and running it. We all know we don't get to have 5-7 amazing professional VAs at our table every week, but it still gives us good vibes.

[@goatelope7539]

Lol I don't think they would go as far as make an aggressive move like a live convert to our system power move. Unless Wizards does something to tick them them off

[@MarioReischer]

I am curious if the new game has enough of it's own to be different. Because so far it seems like a mix of Blades in the Dark and Vaesen. Let's see if it can do something special, to not just play Blades in the Dark.

[@StarlasAiko]

2:30 I believe, you got it the wrong way round. People don't watch Critical Role because it is Dungeons&Dragons, they are into Dungeons&Dragons because that is what Critical Role is (was) playing. They are into Dungeons&Dragons because that is what was shown in Big Bang Theory and in Stranger Things. It is because The Rock admitted to playing D&D back in the day that the jocks and cool kids, the demographic that used to shove roleplayers into the highschool lockers, now suddenly want to play D&D. If the movies, tv shows and celebrities start showing other systems, the new generation of players will follow them to the other systems. The number of new generation players that are willing to even consider other systems without celebrity endorsement was minute and statistically negligible...right up until the day when WotC declared their OGL policies when even bandwagoners suddenly started looking for greener pastures.

[@ShurikenSean]

I dont think Critical role is going to convert their current campaign into daggerheart. if anything if they were converting characters to the new system it would be their old characters from camapign 1 or 2 to play them more. they've already said they're not done with mighty nein's story, having come back for a one shot with them before and want to do so again

[@Patrick-nl4zp]

I will watch Candela Obscura just to see Robbie Daymond. That's some secret sauce

[@isultansultangaliev5852]

I strongly doubt stranger things brought as many people into actually playing the game as crirical role. But it did probably create more widespread brand recognition.

[@morecringe89]

Critical rol made the lives of GM like hell. All these kids come to the stores thinking that they will play for free, something close to what CR do as some level acting lol. I played D&D for what it was not what other people made from it. If I want to play a mystery horror game, I take CoC or Delta Green.

[@jonathanerock]

Tiny point, but I need to make it. Learning styles are a myth. Nobody is a "visual learner." We all have all the styles.

[@Alejandro_Arellano]

I think they will switch this campaign. Every edition change had a world changing event to explain the change and that's what they are doing now

[@dub3773]

Did they not start on Pathfinder originally?

[@Troynl66]

yeah before they started streaming

[@odiogoponto]

CR are at a really good moment to switch to their own system mid campaign if they want. The gods are about to die. The way magic works is about to be reset. Tey could start the "new world" with their own system and that would fit perfectly with what is happening on the campaign.

[@Alex-yl8dz]

People forget that they were playing Vox Machina as a Pathfinder game before they converted it to 5E for streaming. I honestly thought they'd make the switch to Pathfinder 2E for campaign 3, the thought that they might have had their own game in the works since C3 started makes sense why they wouldn't want to learn a new system before learning another new system.

[@simonfernandes6809]

People forget the original game was D&D 4e.

[@ragnobash]

Popped in to say the same thing. They've shown that they are open to other game systems, but D&D grabs the most headlines. Now that they are known as a great show, and system is loosely followed anyways, this is a great time for them to make a switch.

[@Loki-]

Pathfinder's crunch makes the RP take longer to get to

[@SircoleYT]

Yeah this video is from people trying to take advantage of the drama for their own benefit. They're intentionally misrepresenting the facts to drive traffic to their own systems. It's actually a pretty sketchy thing to do.

[@SircoleYT]

​@@simonfernandes6809 pathfinder*, it was originally pathfinder. You're thinking of Acquisitions Incorporated.

[@minipaintingforyou]

Showing how to convert characters from 5e to Daggerheart would be so spicy 😱 If CR doesn't do it, you should. Ride that wave!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Haha I just might!!

[@somik-i3x]

I feel Daggerheart is going to be for a 4th campaign.

[@SlocumJoe7740]

Yea, I hope Daggerheart is a Classes-less 5e Style system. I feel like it would fix the problem of Class Names that seems to be how WoTC plans to enforce copyright trolling. Like maybe purchase abilities "A la carte" style, like if I wanted a Robe Wearing, Staff wielding Divine Caster that uses Intelligence, you buy the packages to create the class. I feel it would fit more interesting characters.

[@kohakuaiko]

​@@SlocumJoe7740 so you mean like a d20 version of G. U. R. P. S. 😊

[@somik-i3x]

@@SlocumJoe7740 Not sure about that. I hope it's. It could be fun.

[@FeenMachine88]

I'll switch to a CR system just on the trust they will always care about the players over money also less chance of the Pinkertons coming to my house

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Haha well said! They really do seem to genuinely care about the fans.

[@tempusavatar]

"Always" is a scary word. How quickly we forget that TSR was a scrappy group of people trying to make fun games in the 80s, and WotC was a scrappy group of people trying to make fun games in the 90s.

[@darthbek]

I think the only chance of Pinkerton involvement is if you were a super kickstarter backer and there was a tier where they ran a pinkerton one shot and you got to play. And now I want this.

[@ratatatuff]

At the end of the day CR is also just running a business.

[@American_Mike]

I am sorry you think that. MM and all of those people on the show ONLY care about the money. Did they play and stream before it was about the money? Yes. But they have shown that they ONLY care about the fans that get them the money and that is the fan base that wants to throw up gates and make PC changes because, reasons.