Crunchyroll's High Guardian Spice Trailer Disaster Shows Signs of a Worrying Trend

[@Llewellyn2844]

The creators of "High Guardian Spice" are so smug, pompous, arrogant, and condescending that they're practically begging to be bullied.

[@jimpykeiss]

Something that's interesting to me, by way of comparison, is that in all the interviews I've seen and read with Japanese anime and manga creators, they are almost always very humble and say things along the lines of, "I am not a very good at all, but I hope that the viewers will appreciate what I am trying to do in my work." Even Ghibli's Takahata Isao was known for saying how bad he thought he was at drawing. Humility is key to foregrounding the work itself, and keeping the creator's ego in the background.

[@alfredschlicht2662]

Jim Pyke I think it's 50% humility and 50% genuine self assessment. Most artists worth their salt are usually pretty self critical.

[@Grimmwoldds]

Go watch the Japanese equivalent of the HGS trailer, "Hayao Miyazaki Makes Ramen at Studio Ghibli". Neither said anything about the product, though actually HGS trailer says things that shouldn't be said. The things they said are the province of critics and customers, not the studio.

[@DemonicRemption]

@@alfredschlicht2662 Ugh, tell me about it... I look back on stuff I drew when I was fifteen and even back in 2008, and think:"OMFG, this looks terrible. To think I drew this! Hell drawing comics takes me longer than I think it should because I'm a bit of a perfectionist. :p

[@alfredschlicht2662]

@@DemonicRemption That's a good sign of progress I think. And as a fellow artist all I can say is perfectionism is a beast that must be tamed immediately.

[@fea1587]

If mother freaking Ghibli is more humble than them then you know it's bad

[@5Geass]

FMA, InuYasha, Noragami Female writers, as well. [edit] sold by story quality, not by women writing fact.

[@YamatoFukkatsu]

Hell, there're even some notable female hentai artists. These idiots really need to stop acting like female representation is a thing that needs to be pushed, because it isn't, far from it. All they're really doing is pissing people off by making shitty products that were made by horribly unqualified people only hired due to affirmative action, to say nothing of the dumbass, hateful comments they make on social media that are oftentimes misandrist (and ironically misogynist, given how much they infantalize and degrade the women they claim to be helping by acting like they're incapable of just doing this shit on their own merits).

[@KaiserFrazer67]

Not to mention CLAMP (the all-female mangaka team of Cardcaptor Sakura fame), and how in the HELL can anyone forget Naoko Takeuchi and SAILOR FRIGGIN' MOON?!? Probably one of the most, if not THE most, successful 'Girl Power" anime/manga franchises EVER! Twenty-five years and still going strong, last I checked!

[@5Geass]

KaiserFrazer67: I actually made a different comment after posting the first one saying how I wanted to meet CLAMP and personally thank them for designing the characters for Code Geass. ovo Also I thought Sailor Moon was an obvious one? YamatoFukkatsu: Thank you for your entire comment. I believe Cras Sola is a female doujin artist, whose made my absolute favorite SuzaLulu doujins(SuzakuxLelouch from Code Geass) and did an absolutely wonderful job of keeping all the characters involved in character. Fylus might also be female.

[@KaiserFrazer67]

@5Geass: Sometimes the most obvious ones are the most overlooked and forgotten. Yes, I'm a SM fan, and a pretty late-coming fan at that (I was in my late 20's going on 30 when Sailor Moon first got popular here in the U.S. in the mid-90's and have just gained interest in it over the last 6 months or so). I've watched several of these KZbin critiques and everyone seems to forget mentioning Sailor Moon like it never even existed. (At least in this critique it was briefly shown onscreen, if not specifically mentioned.) Never mind it was IMHO the #1 game-changer in opening up many doors for women and girls in the anime/manga genre. NOT TO MENTION that it was, and remains, good enough to hold a male following as well as the demographic of teenage girls it was aimed at. I'm sure there are plenty of even earlier examples to choose from. It just strikes me as how incredulously blatant and asinine these statements are of the so-called "writers" of HGS. It couldn't be more obvious they're trying to push an SJW agenda over promoting their actual show. What they're saying they're trying to do has, in fact, been done over and over again dozens of times in the anime (and manga) field over DECADES, and everyone with even a beginner-level degree of familiarity with anime and manga knows better. Their promo trailer actually comes off as a scam to me--why are they trying to sell themselves and not their product? Perhaps the quality of their product isn't up to par, or as many suspect--an outright ripoff of something that's already been done? Hmmmm... Also do some digging on some of the people connected with this sham and you'll find, as several others have already pointed out in the comments section, that they're misandristic, hate-filled people who are all agenda and no creativity--not the least of which is Kate Leth. When these names come out and one starts to follow the paper trail--and one doesn't have to dig real deep (Marvel's Hellcat, anyone?)--the more it looks like this whole HGS project is little more than an elaborate shell game.

[@5Geass]

Mhm. One of the first things they said in the trailer rubbed me the wrong way. The thing about the show having a lot of heart that they don't think any other studio can do anymore(paraphrasing). Like? How *absolutely condescending* can you be? I'm pretty sure they didn't mean it like that but? To outright say that just sounds incredibly rude. The moment I saw Kate Leth...oh lord. How quickly was her comic cancelled again? I just know it was pulled fairly quick.

[@kevinblack8222]

Diversity is hair color

[@acousticfoam4184]

Kevin Black hell yeah

[@animoobunny2853]

ALL OF ZE HAIR COLOR! Yahoo! We're so damn special ❤️

[@derekyonkers332]

I understand you’re joking but just because someone has dyed their hair doesn’t make them diverse. They’re posers pretending to represent minorities when they wouldn’t even dare help the real ones in need, like homosexuals in countries where coming out of the closet could lead to their execution

[@okaytsonei]

They talked about the cast being diverse. Not the ppl who work on the show

[@okaytsonei]

When talking about the cast, you are talking about the voice actors

[@oversol5469]

The take away from the “trailer” was everybody in their studio is arrogant and their greatest achievements involve no men the writers room. For all the “heart” they claim to have, they haven’t even seemed motivated enough to put together a trailer with clips from the show.

[@Makoto03]

This was a great video. I enjoyed listening to a female perspective on this controversy. I agree that Crunchyroll probably would have been better off following in Netflix's footsteps and commissioning an original anime directly from japan, rather than making a western show that looks closer to Steven Universe than anime.

[@TomSFox]

I’m surprised a bunch of SJWs think it’s OK to culturally appropriate Japan.

[@kuroblack794]

Well apparently cultural appropriation is bullshit because it looks more like cultural sharing because when you look at the creations of authors from all the world, they are kind of using other things from other cultures.

[@jgamer2228]

What does being female have to do with their takes? I’ve seen equally compelling and nuanced opinions from male content creators and I didn’t give a fuck that they were men. Their gender’s got nothing to do with the video at hand

[@Revkor]

Crunchy Roll's other big mistake was hiring Kate Leth..she has such a toxic rep

[@Karou812]

Her twitter is full of man hatred Imagine my shock

[@andrewtaylor940]

She hates men, and her prior work is unbelievably bad. Go try and read Marvel’s extremely short lived Hellcat series. It’s unbelievably bad, insufferable, incoherent and insulting writing.

[@joshuafogg6600]

Oh yeah, Kate Leth is a major death flag for an already leaky schooner.

[@Slitheringpeanut]

What do expect, she's a compatriot to Noelle Stevenson, the tumblrina She-Ra showrunner...

[@zeng58]

Revkor yeah the way she treats men. Holy hell she disgust men and top of that she dispise them and the way hellcat went she destroy the comic and hates Stan lee

[@yoohimi]

"The characters are cute, but the story is *The* *most* *important* *part* ." - Please send this to the writers, KZbin person.

[@atomicdancer]

This comment is really special. It has a lot of heart, which I don't think would have come from any other commenter. It's funny, it's warm, and it's adventurous (and a little bit weird lol). There's an authenticity to this comment, and a sincerity, that's just... heartwarming. I don't think anyone has seen a comment quite like this one. Also, diversity. Because people are really excited about what this comment is, and what it represents: Voices that are not being heard. My voice. My special voice. So unique... so heartwarming...

[@kodi6197]

This comment needs more likes, look how important it is.

[@artthenecromancer404]

So powerful, I set a tear-

[@arachnaesweb]

How is everyone sleeping on this comment? It’s honestly inspiring ✨ What a masterpiece

[@cathria.]

The last part got me 😂

[@mjtannertwins]

We didn't mention this in the video, but I don't like how they say that a lot of other studios have forgotten 2D animation. I think that a lot of studios felt they had to make the switch to 3D animation because of costs and possibly they felt that it was more popular. What ever the case, they moved on not because they "forgot" but because they felt it was necessary. Crunchyroll is doing what they are doing on the backs of the anime industry and then talking smack about the very industry that they are taking advantage of. So not cool. >:(

[@EclipseWarlord]

Thank you for pointing that out.

[@digichu007]

Crunchyroll didn't even enable comments on the trailer when it first came out. They disabled the like bar when it showed 1052 dislikes for ~6700 views. They closed their forum on High Guardian Spice and threatened punishment if they started a new forum thread outside of misc. They closed their poll on High Guardian Spice when it showed a 96% disinterest and dislike on it. They reopened these threads on their forum recently. CR did not handle their PR well.

[@skylerk2516]

digichu007 do you have links to these forums? I want to see al the ranting taking place rn

[@DemonicRemption]

+mjtanner Okay, one of your hosts in this podcast said something that she wasn't trying to imply that because Clamp exist that there can't be other all female writing teams. I'm addressing this because I don't know who's dumb enough to see her pointing out Clamp as an implications that there shouldn't be any more all female writing teams. If anything it implies that it can be done, it has been done, and there's nothing wrong with it. The problem only comes from when you get the impression I got from this High Guardian Spice trailer, that this team doesn't care about what they're writing or creating.

[@nightinthetwilight]

2D currently isn't all that profitable. It doesn't get butts in seats like 3D animation does, and considering it's more expensive to do 2D animation, it's not worth the risk. It's not like animation is completely lost in terms of 2D hand drawn animation. But it's a more niche market, the two switching places in the last 10-15 years. But you still need hand drawn storyboards. There are instances where 2D and 3D are blended together for a hybrid. I think these women don't know what the heck they're talking about.

[@ashenpants2130]

I've seen a whole lot of videos on High Guardian Spice and I feel like this one was the most levelheaded and professional. The breakdown of what's wrong was concise, you offered insights I hadn't heard before with clamp, and at the end urged everyone to not harass people. Keep up the good work!

[@martinhill9561]

your the only one that has mentioned clamp. just that one word shuts down there whole claim as being the first.

[@egregiousprevaricator8659]

Students in a school fighting monsters? Wait a min, why that sounded like Soul Eater... But of course Soul Eater is a very good anime, with lots of diversity and people very different but working to stop the Kishin no matter what, their inner turmoils and problems they have they always overcome them to work as a group and family of sorts. Lots of action, lots of comedy with a Gainax-type ending. But a great anime nonetheless. It's a shame those people just brag about diversity but can't seem to write any kind of good or engaging story. Only boring Mary Sues without no heart or soul...

[@barrybend7189]

Soul eater, RWBY, little witch Acedamia certain magical index.

[@NitwitsWorld]

Didn't the manga version of Soul Eater just ended on a whimper moment... Pink Hair guy didn't die but they impair there's more stuff in SE but skip that noise and make a new firefighter manga. lol

[@accelerator8558]

@@barrybend7189 they use Index ideas on this?

[@barrybend7189]

@@accelerator8558 I'm just pointing out similar shows index kinda has what this has.

[@accelerator8558]

@@barrybend7189 Index have more tham this have a full battle of Science and ESPERS vs Religión and MAGIC

[@theprotagonist1235]

high guardian spice team: *claims to be first to do anything* clamp: *has done it first*

[@Alondro77]

A serious adventure-fantasy series with a mostly female cast: CLAYMORE!!! Feminine characters with monster-level powers, hard-core attitudes, and absolute baddassery. And they were being betrayed from within their own Organization, because there was a hidden reality that a few of them were starting to suspect.

[@danmagnumxl]

Alondro77 claymore is fantastic.

[@shayusu8317]

Little Witch Madoka RWBY My Hero *Shall I go on?* This isnt a new idea. Granted all of the shows listed above pushed the froniter of there genres, however! I didn't mention any of the other cut and paste examples that plague the industry. (Yes. RWBY dropped in quality ever since volume 3. It would be remise for me to say monte's tragic passing didn't effect the series. The production quality has sky rocketed but the writing has plumited. I still think, however, that its a good example of this premise done right)

[@Prich319]

In regards to RWBY, I hold out hope the writing will improve, that RT does read their critiques and are genuine in their desire to put out a good show. The alternative is that it winds up unfinished like so many other show out there that suffered from critical author existence failure.

[@joshuafogg6600]

Shay Usu Also, the current people in charge of RWBY are focusing on completely the wrong things.

[@lucky_ramen9803]

RWBY Vol 1-3 were the best. In my opinion anyways.

[@brupts7297]

*Sees Madoka on the list* BRUH...That shit gave me crippling depression

[@amurokaiser5077]

@@brupts7297 there, there, have a cookie to calm yourself^_^

[@decode3667]

A really interesting perspective & most of us would agree but as someone stated, the marketing strategy for diversity is used as a cheap tool. They are like "look at us, how diverse & holy we are"... they are acting like they are heroes of the world & that any criticism is pure evil & taboo. Anime, manga & novels are the most diverse industry in terms of creators & content. We have gender bender, cross dressers, shounen-ai, yuri, yaoi & so on. The idea that they want to bring their crap to the anime industry is insulting & it is trying to force people into their agenda. It is true that creators are treated like crap... that's the biggest issue, not the diversity crap. Back to the point... if they really cared for their cause of diversity & inclusivity... they would create something that does not need to tell us how diverse it is, it will prove that itself. There was a manga I read where a boy wanted to be a girl or a woman... that was some good writing & good story... nothing was pushed but it was really good. The reason why we call them swjs is because they do not care for their cause, they do not want to convince or share their part of their story... they want to force others to accept everything they do without doubt or criticism, for them it is either you accept us or don't, if you don't you are nazi, hitler, sexist & so on. If they cared for their cause, they would have considered the best way to win people over. Instead of forcing them into stuff or making cheap & crappy quality stuff... then when it is bad... "look at the sinners, they dared to trample over our sacred cause". Load of crap, anime, manga & novels are about the content.. about quality & good story/characters.

[@ReverendSyn]

I wouldn't say diversity is a TOOL for them. More like a weapon and a shield. And a victim card to play when they inevitably get called on it. Sometimes I wonder if deep down they WANT to fail so they can martyr themselves.

[@menosay1912]

Yes. For an example, Riri WIlliams, Ironheart, the black female Iron Man replacement had a flashback to when she was younger, in it she said she wanted to be a scientist, and her teacher said it was a great idea, and Riri was upset the teacher didn't tell her she can't do it. She literally was upset someone didn't stomp her dreams down so she could bravely fight back against the "oppression" she had to deal with as a black woman. This scene encapsulated all that NPCs want and think. If they are not victims they have nothing.

[@ReverendSyn]

If they were truly doing this out of any sense of doing OBJECTIVE good, they wouldn't release press statements crowing about how woke and progressive they are. That's the whole thing about doing good, you aren't supposed to expect a reward for it. Being a hero means doing what you feel is right no matter what it costs you. Wanting to do good shouldn't exempt you from criticism. If you put ANYTHING out there, you should be prepared for the possibility of rejection. A thick skin should be required. You cannot reap the rewards for success if you arent also prepared to deal with rejection. That's how life is. Look at William Shatner. He KNOWS what people think of his acting. He KNOWS he can't sing. HE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT. This is a man who knows the risks of putting yourself out there and handles criticism like a champ. He still makes albums because he's having fun doing it.

[@HighordStarkiller]

"looks at kampfer" memes

[@chocotoasties2671]

Yaoi and Yuri don't count because it's meant to fetishize homosexuals. Shounen and Shojo Ai are the correct terms

[@theotakugamer2571]

Tumblr the "anime". It is based on a Tumblr webcomic.

[@ichihimefan91]

The Otaku Gamer Tumblr sucks

[@idleeidolon]

this is the problem with identity politics mentality. who made something, and the group affiliation of that person, matters more than the actual product. identity > merit. that's why they focus on the creators more than the art.

[@idleeidolon]

recall that the mary sue finds anime like K-On to be degrading/sexist despite it being an anime about cute girls doing cute things, directed by a female animator, and created by a mostly female studio. so no, crunchyroll collaborating with a japanese studio with their all female writing team? no. it goes against so many narratives. anime is sexist doncha know? and they're the ones to save it.

[@chiyoko4244]

And K-ON has been a hit with teenage girls in Japan...

[@ashurad_fox5991]

yeah... this aged like fine wine. The show made Ex-arms look more like a masterpiece. (yes I know the voice decent in ex-arms)

[@Lesbiwolf92]

I think what hurt them was pushing the diversity and the overconfidence that they are breaking new ground and going to save 2D animation from extinction. If they had produced a trailer that did more showcasing of the characters, the world, maybe showing small test animations or letting people hear the voice actors things wouldn't have become so volatile. I also think it might have been intentional. They kick the beehive, get stung and then more people who probably have zero interest in cartoons at all come to give them money and support because 'oh no they got attacked cos they are female!'

[@triggerfairy4070]

Didnt Clamp started off a as Doujin circle? so in sense Clamp was naturally formed as an all female team, as compare to what CR did which is create an all female team.

[@barrybend7189]

Yeah but they never officially published them but CLAMP consistently made good manga. And on a fun fact the Gundam Origin manga was drawn by CLAMP.

[@jnichols3]

I am not that knowledgeable or anime, but it seems from the video that Clamp is a natural coming together of people with like interest over time. This is how succesful teams form. The writers of HGS seem like they were put together just because they were women, and someone was more interest in a narrative than the actual product the team produces. "Look at all us woman with our token man......Oh and before we forget to mention, we are doing some moving drawing stuff, but dont get destracted by that. The point of this video "trailer" is WE ARE WOMEN, SO YOU BETTER DAMN WELL WATCH."

[@triggerfairy4070]

yep, from what I remember CLAMP were just regular artist with like interest that formed a doujin circle until the got famous.

[@barrybend7189]

@@triggerfairy4070 they actually started as a D&D friends group believe it or not. Most of their fantasy stories ( Magic Knight Rayearth, Rgveda) were born from those sessions.

[@triggerfairy4070]

that's interesting to know, Rayearth is what I prefer these "in another world" anime to be more like.

[@dricsi07]

17:00 Even If you give a well articulated constructive criticisum you just get ignored or labeled as a "hater". And in 2018 the studio and the creators do the bullying. Not the fans.

[@PattyOflan88]

You ladies pretty much hit the nail on the head point by point the issues I had with it. Cheers

[@avigerisc]

The permiss of the cartoon pretty much looks like a hybrid of Little Witch Academia, Winx Club, Steven Universe, Last Period and Made in Abyss (for the background). Its doesn't feel original, and the cast and characters look as close to "diverse" as any other anime or cartoon. I guess that singular, possible black character and fat acceptance girl with the hammer in the trailer made it "diverse."

[@Alondro77]

The new "Voltron", by contrast, was not only respectful to the spirit of the old show, it grew the show far beyond the original's limitations. That's how you revive a show. And fans responded POSITIVELY! It currently has an 8.3/10 on IMDB, one of the highest audience scores of any recent US animated shows, just below "Steven Universe", and far beyond any other non-network animated show I can think of.

[@bezarregaming]

I love the new Voltron and I grew up on the classic Voltron.

[@mavisdom-animeonpiano]

The new Voltron is lit

[@doritopenguin3048]

It fell apart in the last few seasons, but it's still better than the She-Ra reboot... I mean, the Netflix cartoon that is coincidentally called She-Ra.

[@Shiirow]

voltron wasnt even respectful of its source material. Go Lion was the superior product.

[@aliastheabnormal]

If She-Ra's shitty design was a screw up based off lazy quality control then they deserve all the bullying they get. I have suffered so much because of products that haven't been thru proper quality control. Buggy games, poorly designed computer updates. At first I didn't care about She-Ra but if that is true then I hope it bombs as an example. So companies will finally get in shape and stop using patches as crutches.

[@Alondro77]

"Thundercats: Roar" is not a 'change'... any more than was turning Luke Skywalker into a whiny old prick. It's full-on character assassination. It's like claiming "Spaceballs" is canon to "Star Wars". It's turning the show into a complete farce of itself, and a terribly lazy one at that.

[@joshuafogg6600]

Alondro77 At least Spaceballs was funny.

[@Alondro77]

Yes, which is part of the reason why I used it as an example. It was how a parody or satire is PROPERLY constructed, while not purporting to be part of the source material for what it's poking fun at. Another example would be the faux Doctor Who episode "Curse of Fatal Death", with Rowan Atkinson.

[@kigirudrewko4767]

- We make magical girl-ish animation series. - IT'S SO SPECIAL THAT THE CAST IS 50% FEMALE! ...what? How it's that special? I mean, i can see how 100% female writters is something special (not good, tho) but 50% female cast for this kind of project is pretty... lowish?

[@AmaryInkawult]

Kigiru Drewko funny thing is, not all of their writing staff identify as women.. seriously check out the writing staff's Twitter accounts. Pronouns galore

[@Nutmeg-]

@@AmaryInkawult A SJW is not a SJW without mentioning their pronouns

[@wildsharday9652]

Wait are there two woman talking in this video or am I going hell crazy right now.

[@igcometa]

There are two people 😊. At first I thought there was only one person. Hehehe

[@Bapao76]

Same here, I thought she/ they was/ were schizofrenic at first

[@wildsharday9652]

@@igcometa thanks for telling guys I was really worry I did go mad crazy.

[@mjtannertwins]

We're identical twins who look and sound the same. Maybe we should change our intro to make that more clear. Sorry about that.

[@wildsharday9652]

@@mjtannertwins oh that make sense sorry I really didn't know.

[@dankbudew4830]

I think things would have gone differently, if the trailer was actually a trailer.....

[@dankbudew4830]

And ThunderCats 2011 was my favorite!

[@111cars102]

Thank you for speaking the truth as a man i feel the type of people that are promoting the "anime" will just look at me as oh look another man hating on women what a surprise. truth anime is mostly watched by younger people in japan and promoting stuff like politics will just make the west look bad in their eyes for pushing this stuff on kids. as western fans we need to speak together about how this show is being presented or lack their of a show. we need to stand together reguardless of what or who we are or background we come from and be like stop. we want anime to be about anime and not anything else.

[@Prich319]

I agree, it's ok for a story to be subject to interpretation, it's not ok for it to deliberately pander to the audience, or shove an ideology down their throats. (cuz that worked incredibly well for Ghostbusters, Star Wars, and likely the new Terminator film) If the staff has to virtue signal throughout the trailer instead of letting the show sell itself, which is the whole point of a trailer. I'm going to make the prediction that High Guardian Spice will be poorly written garbage not worth anyone's time. It doesn't matter how pretty the visual are, if the story is trash, no one will watch it.

[@111cars102]

@@Prich319 i got 2 good example of anime that has all female staff. Salormoon and card captor . Nether of them boosted about thwmselves and both are still top anime today.

[@OwOAwAUwU]

Is it just me or does the characters don’t fit well with the background it kinda looks..flat

[@ariesdiary9489]

What do you mean by this isn't fresh? I have never seen a single trailer that focus any its staff more than the actual show before. This is groundbreaking☆!

[@DenMotherArkala]

Children make art and write stories 'with heart.' 'With heart' tells us nothing of the quality.

[@happythoughts3170]

"So much heart was put into this!" *Uses stock photos of bread and poles.*

[@zeldaprincessgirl100]

I'm a female artist wanting to make comics someday, i'm not into romance lovey dovey stuff, i prefer fantasy, adventure, action genres with male protagonists, i have also started a mini comic of a human boy and his witch sister going to the monster world since his brother found out his sister is a witch and to enter the monster world, specially if you are a human, you need a special bracelet you must give to the guardian guarding the portal as a permission and stuff, but that was months ago, never really kept going cuz i suck at drawing lol.

[@noir3231]

That sounds really interesting tbh I'd really love to read that of you ever complete it.

[@NetoKruzer]

Try to create first a Light Novel about your story... Next try to draw some parts of it... It worked for me.

[@lonelimplizard]

Just keep drawing,you'll improve over time. :)

[@Slitheringpeanut]

LoneLimpLizard has the right of, keep drawing if you like it, you'll get better! And I'd read your comic.

[@lonelimplizard]

Just remember the basics and go from there. Circles...squares....triangles....everything has a basic shape. Just take away the 3d the shading ..the color...until you have the basic shapes. :)

[@hyakushiki4406]

Bless your soul Monty~

[@joshuafogg6600]

Hyaku Shiki May he dance in Heaven forever.

[@armi999]

Good analysis. The one thing I don't think anyone has really touched upon is why they went this route given the backlash. It's hard to see how they think they can profit from this trailer unless they are sitting in a creative bubble that echo chambers this sort of thing is good and the way they should be approaching things.

[@marcodimbo2174]

I absolutely agree with everything said in this video. One thing you guys've done that no one else I've seen has (thus far), is give visual examples of a well done trailer of a similar premise. Good on you! Great vid!

[@peachesandcream8753]

One thing I've noticed is the High Guardian Spice characters look almost IDENTICAL to the ENDRO! characters along with their perceived character types. The pink one is the hero, the blue one the mage, the yellow one is the warrior and the red/purple one is the ranger and an elf.

[@magicsoldier2852]

This and the many other videos about the trailer of the show being worrying aged like the finest wine.

[@taco2215]

3 years later the series came out and is bombed worse than any bombs dropped on any country

[@franzyland]

The Steven Universe art style is the ugliest, laziest art you can imagine. I made my own game a few years ago, and that style would have been unacceptable. And I'm a nobody with no budget.

[@catpressingabutton2422]

It took me nearly 5 minutes to realize there were two speakers, not just one.

[@brianbarwick908]

looks like a steven universe rip off. i want anime from japan, not crap from america

[@pilgram974]

What about avatar the last Airbender? it was a pretty cool anime influenced cartoon, well for me it was.

[@TheMoonslasher]

@@pilgram974 which one? The first one with aang or the reincarnation of aang?

[@ChuckNorris36999]

Yeah I totally get what you mean about being more Western style n more cartoonish.i myself also want more Japanese style anime easily but good stuff can come from America not including feminist bullshit agenda and etc if course.

[@martazcrutchfield9878]

Rest in peace Monty

[@JohnnyElRed]

Talk about they diverse cast and production team. Show a room full of white women. ... Ok.

[@chucheeness7817]

The 'original' comic isn't even anything as special as what they're making the cartoon to be. It's just the usual friendship stuff mixed with lolsorandom stuff, with some run-of-the-mill SJW leftist comics in between.

[@AmaryInkawult]

chucheeness oh you mean condemning normal people as being bigots and evil because they don't agree with the cast?

[@jnichols3]

I am not really an anime fan myself, but having been into science fiction and seeing what has happened to Star Trek, Doctor Who, and Star Wars the last several years, I know how this plays out. This so called "trailer" is setting up the reasons for failure, before even having a sample of the product. Here is a summary of the "trailer": "We are making a cartoon. We are mostly woman who look weird and are arrogant as hell making it easy as hell to not like us. When our product fails we, with Crunchyroll, will attack fans of anime and cry to media outlets about the right wing menbabies." I am not creative right now having just got out of bed, but I think you get the idea. The reason this "trailer" exist is guilt people into watching it, put HSG above any criticism, and make Crunchyroll think twice before cancelling it. If this show is bad then Crunchyroll will have to still keep in in production or face the fury of women's scorn.

[@andrewtaylor940]

Joseph Nichols agreed! But I think that the “Sony Ghostbusters” marketing plan has quickly lost its ability to intimidate. Too many companies have lost too much money following this path at this point. I mean a Star Wars movie didn’t even break even after they pulled this stunt on the prior one. Electronic Arts stock just tanked on the backlash caused by a similar campaign (“damn dirty sexist nerds! Of course WW2 was won by the actions of ass kicking female cyborg super soldiers! It’s bigoted to expect otherwise in an authentic WW2 simulation game!”)

[@majormalfunction0071]

It looks like a Kickstarter pitch, not a Crunchyroll original. Concept art and showing the team? That's not a trailer for the show.

[@Celestial_Wing]

The art style that High Guardian, Steven Verse, and Teen Titans GO has become a serious cancer in America. How can artists seriously make such childish art/animations and be proud of it? Unless you're a kids show like Dexter's Lab or Johnny Bravo, you should be making something better. Hell Tom and Jerry has FAR superior animation and it's only a children's cartoon!

[@tehleoness5145]

Saying a show has a lot of heart = We tried really really hard and want a participation award Show don't tell if you're going to promote a show to me.

[@amurokaiser5077]

then maybe they can donate some of those heart because maybe someone needs it?

[@Guyfrom2001]

As a veteran troll, the one thing I hate the most is when companies deflect legitimate criticism by calling it trolling.

[@nightinthetwilight]

Ah yes, my favourite characters all in one place! We have Madoka, Mildred Hobble, Cupcake Dwarf and Poor-Man's Lina Inverse! If there's no information on them I'm going to project what I think they look like, which are just ripoffs of better characters or make up something.

[@aeriarc6946]

Been waiting on a female perspective thank you great video

[@vinzclortho1322]

I don't know how I even found your channel but you're insights are brilliant. Please keep up the good work!

[@idleeidolon]

a lot of youngins don't even know who/what clamp is. moreover, a lot of folks on tumblr think sailormoon of all things, to be sexist/outdated/objectifying.

[@blankpage9277]

It's sad that rwby looks more anime than this

[@ScratchItGaming]

*the loudest applause*

[@MasticinaAkicta]

It is impossible to judge a product of what you don't even have the most basic information. A trailer is there to SELL something, this has NOTHING to sell. Yeah, at most the political leaning behind the creators, but... that doesn't mean quality. I want to see either something quick and fun or a quality product. I don't have good feelings about this. But we shall see if it even gets noticed once it gets out in 2019. It probably will be forgotten by then. And get canceled after the first series for failing to be noticed. You don't have much time to draw attention to yourself and your product so you have to do it RIGHT the FIRST TIME. This trailer ... sold us nothing.

[@aeriarc6946]

“No other studio could produce something with so much heart” ,have they not seen Steven universe

[@Gummy_Pop.]

Rebecca Sugar ftw. Her show is so much more enjoyable and I can't wait for the next arc.

[@defiantwanderer7385]

That line pisses me off to no end. Every good anime and cartoon has so much heart in their own way.

[@menosay1912]

One issue. Those who will take any criticisms as personal attacks generally don't care what criticism they get, toxic or not anyone who gets offended by words online seems to get offended all the time anyway. It doesn't help, but I think creators, especially those that tout diversity as #1 need to stop thinking they are making the next grand masterpiece.

[@pinkdevil019]

Exactly my point. Agendas vs Substance. Its like they're ready to lecture us of how things go down in their office than to build up character and story

[@gigglesthecat7216]

it feels like these people got positions of power and are using it to publish their fanfictions

[@Muna-Jlore0997]

What is unique about HGS?? The studio rarely talked about HGS; their main focus is the studio and how much diverse these women are (100% writing staff), even though majority of it is not diverse. raye doesn't care about his show at all and neither does the other people. the only thing they briefly mention in that trailer, he said; there were four girls going to magic school: Little Witch Academia RWBY Utena: Revoluntionary Girl Madoka Magica Soul Eater Not So ... original?? great job, guys.

[@Underworlddream]

I think even animation like Teen Titans and Avatar was done in foreign country in sweet shop like condition to save money. Even in japan animator are working in that condition I imagine this new animation group following the trend of pop up game company, in that there worker getting over paid and eventually will lose more money and go out of business If they using low quality animation put the rest of the money in storytelling or action. Steven universe and Rwby may have low quality art but it has some good fight scene.

[@barrybend7189]

Its not how low quality the art is its how well they work in the bounds of it.

[@Alondro77]

Animators working in a sweet shop?! That's awesome! Well.. unless they have diabetes. Then it sucks. ;D

[@Underworlddream]

Incidentally from what i hear from people's who working in game studio and some animation place they do hop them up on sweet, junk food, and red bull to help them stay up late and energize to meet deadline.

[@andrewtaylor940]

I’m sure that the “all female” crew that we see are just the writers and designers. The actual task of animating it will be farmed out to a Korean sweat shop as in the norm. That’s the reason we don’t see any actual animation samples. They don’t have any. They will be outsourcing those overseas to a not so Woke studio.

[@harrytruong4936]

Imagine giving someone a job because of their gender or skin color... damn this might be the future of America

[@thefandomchannel7900]

OMG you also thought High Guardian Spice is similar and Rip-off of RWBY! Great minds think alike!!

[@snarkymcsnarkface1863]

Ya... kate leth Nothing more needs to be said.

[@sompret]

I'm just exhausted. I feel more productive making my own shit than having to live another moment of seeing any of this shit.

[@Llewellyn2844]

The promotional image of the new She-Ra is not a "mistake." It's simply crude, sloppy, badly-drawn, amateurish artwork.

[@nullvoid7188]

It was just teen ben 10 in a dress.

[@alexiskangas4184]

Wish Crunchy roll would pull an edgy "high guardian spice is cancelled" if you know what I mean

[@SweaterSwagg]

>the original Tumblr comic >Tumblr comic >Tumblr Wellp, there you have it...

[@nickpheonixify]

1159/1160 I'm not going to sugar coat this! it looks like another crappy, low budget cartoon overlayed on half decent backgrounds. it screams SJW and once again defines "diversity" as anti-male.

[@PhillyCh3zSt3ak]

With the bragging they did the only thing that I can say is "shots fired". This will backfire on them from a business and professional perspective.

[@user-zs9ux1ru8u]

Hi from the future...there is still no release date for the show, I wonder if it was shelved?

[@jankockv]

Agenda, agenda everywhere

[@N0rdW1nd]

The first thing I thought about while watching this "trailer" was CLAMP.

[@jorgemurilo7779]

The diference: CLAMP is good.

[@villalba874]

Hazbin Hotel an indie production has an actual trailer, animation clips, and a musical number as well as a set release date in October...High Guardian Spice...we have no fucking clue...

[@jakzine540]

So almost 2 years have passed since this all started, and now we have seen what we have seen. As a question to everyone here and especially M and J, what do you all think about all the madness and drama of what has ultimately happened?

[@Kyuushi94]

jakzine540 Do you mean with High Guardian Spice? Because I don’t think we can say anything about a show that... never happened. Like, yeah, the trailer wasn’t a smart way to market, but, hey, at least it isn’t talking about rebooting a beloved franchise. And then, the show, while I hear they’re done putting it together, has had one 5-second spot in a collage-style trailer since this, and not even it’s own proper trailer since. There’s virtually nothing to have thoughts on, in that area.

[@aurea.]

The trailer's start and end leave such a bad taste in your mouth. I don't know if it was intentional (no such thing as bad publicity...) or if the creators are that delusional, but their claims are just so objectively and laughably false, not to mention a little arrogant. I'm not surprised they got so much backlash.

[@jadedguardgirl]

this was a non union studio too. unions protect workers from employer abuse. honestly I'm glad this tanked. support decent studios!

[@Gummy_Pop.]

RWBY trailer=Right/ High Guardian Spice Trailer=Wrong. I prefer to see the visuals speak for themselves. They say a picture is worth 1000 words and they need to go back to literature school to learn how to properly do "Show not tell" . Their trailer is so underwhelming.

[@Gummy_Pop.]

@zxen0n still 🗑🚮

[@HateshWarkio]

They disabled likes/dislikes and comments because they are too affraid of criticism. There could've been some toxic comments. And there could've been even some constructive critiques. But they do not care. They want only positive responses because they are too fragile to handle anything else. And the trailer? I could do better trailer by myself with 0 experience in making trailers and I know it because their "trailer" is a fucking disaster. They are antagonizing their potential audience with the first line in the goddamn "trailer".

[@Umbramus]

Why do these people push diversity, feminism and relatability over a good story? The characters are cute... Kinda. But that's not all there is to making a cartoon. You need to come up with an interesting and engaging plot and likeable three-dimensional characters. I'm so passionate about this because I actually want to make a cartoon myself so I've been doing some studying! Sorry if I sound preachy or got something wrong

[@johntucker23]

Who wants to bet someone in the anime has to correct someone for being miss gendered?

[@BellowDGaming]

It's every little tumblr girl's dream to be like Clamp. Is it gonna sell? Who knows...Give us the story and make it good then we'll talk

[@sennythelostone2790]

Its like a bootleg version of little witch academia and rwby

[@katheryneflores5557]

3:19 Adrian? Marinette? Is that you guys?

[@lavenderplace8591]

It does look like them.

[@5Geass]

I also want to meet CLAMP and personally thank them for designing the characters of Code Geass.

[@ichihimefan91]

5Geass they were the creators of card captor Sakura

[@klleptic]

Awesome breakdown guys! I thought this was really well explained for what most people liked and disliked in the trailer. Loved the comparisons to RUBY to explain what proper reveal trailers look like to build hype for a series in contrast why the HGS trailer failed on so many accounts.

[@willnorman-bargo]

When you make your team base on gender and not skill no matter which one the thing will be worse for it, now that's not to say a team that's all one gender is bad no matter what but when you build your team base on one gender or race or anything like that it shows that you care more about being p.c over making a good show.

[@RaspK]

I haven't been paying attention but, for what's worth, I'd like to address a different subset of matters... While one could make various points about this or that aspect, I would like to focus on the realism of the equipment as it pertains to the characters; for if it is objectionable (and I must stress that: it is) to overly empower one type of character, namely the insanely bulky male hero with their ridiculous battle-axe, frankly I can't buy why the same shouldn't apply to the even more absurd power fantasy of the tiny girl that wields the same weapon as if it were made out of Styrofoam. There are other aspects to this problem (most notably how absurd the weapons and armours often are -- I mean, do you see any of the girls in the poster *_actually_* wearing armour!?), but this speaks volumes to me. And I can't stress this enough: I have the same sort of issue when male characters are also portrayed wielding ridiculous weapons and practically sporting no armour whatsoever; so my critique here is more in line with: "How can you make an even *_worse_* mistake than the predecessors we're rightfully criticizing for their short-comings?" That is not to say that the fantastical is inexcusable; that couldn't be further from the truth. But this violation of how things *should* behave if they were anywhere near real is just downright inane and should be done away with.

[@ryanleatigaga7596]

The trailer looked more like a KickStarter than an actual trailer. It still would’ve gotten more backlash, but reception would be better it it was released on Kickstarter instead.

[@Nolroa]

Personally, what I did not like about the trailer was that they showed absolutely nothing about the show. Uncolored backgrounds, conceptual designs that are far from be the approved final designs and we did not even know the names of the characters. There is not even a definite style. They should not show this animation work at such an early stage where there is no even animation to begin with.

[@SoramimiKeiki]

Nolberto+ For SJWs it is most important to talk about themselves and how diverse, original and whatnot they are. So you got a perfectly fine trailer.

[@PastelWorldDolls]

Get woke go broke.

[@ared18t]

The problem with she ra is the hair lines and the facial expressions

[@nyanfloof6261]

Wow much original lots heart real bad I'm not really sold