73yr Old BOSS Poker Player gets put in a BOX

Bart takes a call from a 73 year old poker " annihilator" who gets into a very tough spot with JJ.
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[@CrushlivePoker]

Give a thumbs up for this guy if you like his style at 72!

[@stevenundisclosed6091]

I don't like his play in this hand at all, except for the preflop play.

[@GotoyourhomeBall]

@@chronicsmoke6619 Either typed with your eyes closed and the phone autocorrected, or them some good ass drugs.

[@garyl537]

I like shoving the turn. Villains turn lead looks mostly like 2SxS, 99, TT, 88 or similar.

[@scchicago5822]

This was great analysis

[@Gos1234567]

Thumbed up but i hope he starts living up to his name as he was the one being annihilated!

[@tonyneuman1500]

I’m not sure if Mr Annihilator is reading comments here or not, but if you are, this is a spot where I hope you realize you’re being exploited because of your image, so playing more aggressively (and to quote the late, great Gavin Smith “Calling can be an aggressive action”) will generate huge rewards for you. My read is that villain would not have tried this against most players, but recognized you were likely “solid enough” to fold the overpair, so he was targeting exactly this. If you can find 2-3 spots a session where you can counter opponents, you’re going to win a LOT. Thanks for calling in and being willing to put yourself out there.

[@mxg1072]

God Bless the Anniliator!!!

[@mickeywelsh9744]

A2 of spades is another value combo that could be played this way repping a 4 on the turn and then getting there with deuces full

[@y-sdahms212]

No way to lead turn with 4

[@brianfarley4814]

@@y-sdahms212 He led turn with K7s - why wouldn't he lead turn with A2s? I think it's entirely possible, but there's too many bluff possibilities for the handful of other possibilities to matter.

[@MrJamberee]

@@brianfarley4814 He led turn with a K-7 suited because the hero invited him to do so by making such a small bet on the flop. That would still be true, of course, if he held the A2 suited. That was the hero’s first mistake, and it was not the last mistake he would make in this hand.

[@thedude5599]

bro 8 people at the table 16 cards out plus 5 more on the river. 21 cards out of 52 highly unlikely a 4 or a 2 is out.

[@brianfarley4814]

@@MrJamberee A small bet size makes sense on that flop, and is what good poker players would do there most of the time. Allowing your opponent to lead is not inherently a mistake.

[@stt5v2002]

"If he plays K7s, he can easily have a four." This is a where a key concept is missed. It is true that some loose players will have all sorts of stuff. But the question is how many fours can he have at the river. There are two of them right out there on the board, so he can't have those. On the river, if he will get there with K7 spades and bluff then he could get there with a myriad of flush draws. He could have A-any of spades, K-any of spades, Some Q-x and J-x of spades. It's a lot of combos. If he will bluff with a missed flush draw, he might bluff with 3-5 or overvalue 10-10. When you play garbage all the time 10-10 starts to look like the nuts on this board. One last point. You can't make too much of an inference from your own OMC image. The problem is that some players will think "he's an OMC. I'm going to bluff him off aces because an OMC never calls with just one pair." But another player might think "He's an OMC. I'm never going to bluff him because he will always have the goods. If I'm betting all in, I will have the nuts."

[@nicks210684]

This is true. Some OMCs spend so long waiting for aces that they can never fold them. And then they get to tell their bad beat story.

[@Daniel-fo9jf]

Usually not a proponent of the "you called turn and nothing changed on the river so you have to call down" idea but the Annihilator got the best card in the deck for his hand besides a J and he folded getting >3:1, love playing with OMCs.

[@Bobbypinker]

Annihilator should've bet $160-175 on the flop, and that makes the rest of the hand much easier to play.

[@MrJamberee]

Yes. The small bet on the flop was an invitation to his opponent to semi bluff, since he was calling anyway. Only hand I could put the villain on would be A-4 suited

[@jamesdeppeler793]

I would have bet bigger, but as played he created a dream scenario where this guy bluffs into him. It was actually easy to play. Call him down or shove the turn. If the river had been different he can make some folds.

[@Boxman911]

Great analysis Bart!! I’m 60 years old so I’m close to looking like the old man coffee. However I thought his post flop that was very weak and I definitely would’ve jammed on the river after that board texture. I too cringed when I heard him say he folded on the river. Thanks for your time doing these Vlogs. Love you man!!

[@williamzagarella8066]

I saw a double flat in CO with AKo in my 2/5 game the other day. Hj open to 20, co flats, Button pops to 100, Hj folds, CO calls. It was very interesting to see. He ended up losing to 77 on a 533 board he called a jam for 240, but it was definitely odd lol. People do this. I see it mainly with recs who consider it overplaying. They look at it as a drawing hand. Which it is, but still.

[@stevenundisclosed6091]

That's a bad fold on the river. That's almost a trivial call in my opinion.

[@moneymikz]

Even for an OMC

[@nicks210684]

Yeah red jacks has to be a call. You’re not blocking frontdoor spade draws that missed.

[@carlwebinar1571]

My thoughts going over the hand, with only $600 left after a possible call by Hero on the turn, I would have chosen (as Mr. Annihilator) to shove on the turn rather than flat.

[@andymoiser4611]

yeah at that point I would just shove and have my rebuy ready...

[@TioPedro2]

People like to bluff old tight players

[@tightlines7]

That’s cuz they all play the same nitty and fold to often

[@malazuth3306]

And it works xDDD 1/2 pot on the river and he fold a overpair with no flush or straight in the board

[@chevelle1]

The problem started with the flop bet sizing. These stupid downbet flop bets are overrated in live poker.

[@sr4087]

These guys could have anything; so I fold. Face palm

[@stuartbnyc1]

Great video Bart. The check, call, lead line has always confused me and you broke it down nicely.

[@pendiemz]

I'm 100% sure Bart remembered his name 😂

[@EllieBanks333]

I'm lovin' Mr. Annihilator. Pre-flop was perfect. Agree with Bart the flop bet was too small. After that, we have some problems. I can totally see someone over calling with A4 on this flop given the small sizing. I understand why Bart feels it's unlikely that 88 just flats flop then leads turn, but it could be waiting for a non-spade turn & not wanting the turn to check through on a blank. So I kinda get why the Annihilator is concerned on the river. What might give me hope is that the suit distribution on flop means A4 of spades is not possible. But A4 of diamonds is one combo that's possible. It's a tough decision here. Knowing his own image might help though. Being 70+ might encourage more bluffing. A more vigorous flop bet of $150 to $200 may also have helped.

[@jklm.]

jamming turn all day take my money if I'm beat edit: original comment at 7 min mark and now at 15:00 1st mistake we should have bet bigger on coordinated flop the sb donk lead turn supposed to be what? all 4x should fold to flop bet of 150-180. why let draws and combos and 8x get such a good price especially considering we have another player behind. If we jam turn is SB or Button folding A8, A2ss, K8, 56ss, 57ss, 67ss what flush draws to we think the will fold to jam? The stories of people folding hurt me so much bc they just seem so connected to money they are supposed to be GAMBLING. You cant wait till you have the nutzz on the river to get it in or you gonna get PLAYED instead of PAID by someone that was there to gamble.

[@dan22482]

Easiest turn jam ever

[@windy6455]

Oh no easy call especially if you say he’s capable. Annihilator study river pot odds! He only needs to be bluffing like 28% of the time for this to be barely profitable call.

[@Proactionguy]

ok but people do actually lead out with strong hands sometimes cuz they're scared it'll check through. i think this is still a slam dunk call though given his pot odds.

[@Gos1234567]

Yes i wouldnt say someone with a 4 leading turn is strange and you will see overpairs check back when the lower cards pair a lot as you say.After the small flop bet V can have many 4s so dont agree with Bart here that he cant have a 4

[@jamesdeppeler793]

River fold is ridiculous IMO. It's not close and it's not OK. Cry if you want while you slide the chips in, but you must call. If you want to fold on an 8, a spade, or an overcard to your JJ, maybe that's OK, but you can't fold here on an offsuit 2. If he has a 4 or a 2, oh well.

[@stefanarcher1990]

Best bluffs for vilian would be.. 5c5d or 5d6d

[@kevinscottbailey8335]

Such a terrible fold. Basically the villain played his hand face up that he had a spade draw that busted. Literally the only hand I would have been scared of would have been ace/2 suited of Spades. The old man sounds like a nice guy but damn that was a really bad fold!

[@TheMehahame]

Late but I’m just really not understanding why this can’t be 88 with an unorthodox “we’re still 3 ways at least one of these guys will call me down and they won’t expect this” mentality on the turn

[@quiet_erp]

*anNITalator

[@michaelcohen4545]

This is the best Crush Poker Video I have watched. Thank you Annihilator... You have inspired me! Peace & Love

[@Williy_Nilly]

I never give good odds to players that play "anything." The wider thier call range the higher my raise to punish them for playing against me.

[@mariocardoso291]

It is very stupid to categorize people because of their age

[@alistairwillock7266]

Stopping at 9:33 to add my vote for A2ss as a _very_ likely holding for the SB.

[@sanekabc]

On the flop, doesn't his small bet show that he is afraid of the two spades?

[@johnnavin7865]

73 is not that old.

[@ClementeDesigns]

How do you ever folldddddd so sick pains me

[@ytumamatambien1748]

Great vid , hope 2 hear from annihilator in the future

[@greatwhite3676]

Whats funny is I actually have played many sets and full houses online the way the villain did. I usually get paid off because of this idea that nobody just calls then leads when they fill up. I think the old man had the best hand but i dont hate the fold. I play at Motor City and the player type makes a difference. If he was black with some fake gold on its a snap fold.

[@davids4063]

I still doubt you use this sizing in this pot as it was played. On this particular board vrs small called bet i think you are raising sets and two pairs

[@greatwhite3676]

@@davids4063 In this scenario? No. In other scenarios sure. If i'm the villian the old man's range is JJ+. Why would I want to raise so he can hero fold his pocket aces or whatever he has? You play enough hands you try everything. Thats the fun of the game to me.

[@MrJamberee]

@@greatwhite3676 You can’t get any reasonable read on his range from hearing about one hand. The game just isn’t that easy.

[@greatwhite3676]

@@MrJamberee are you serious? He’s an old man playing 2-5 at motor city. I play there a lot. They are never putting a 3 bet in with less than pocket tens.

[@johnross4958]

This was a great discussion. Thank you!

[@MrPryor25]

It was like Bart was trying to win a bet that only paid if he said Annihilator 10 times.

[@thejunkwarrior]

73 year old annihilator, I wonder what else he annihilate 😂

[@malazuth3306]

His bankroll...

[@Gos1234567]

pairs of slippers and hot milk

[@mjriemen]

The 4:30pm dinner special at Cracker Barrell.

[@dylannewton9986]

Your grandma's box

[@OGgrinder]

Tremendous, great analysis Bart!

[@thedude5599]

I personally would bet 300 on the flop. You wanna draw well you are not getting pot odds now. 80 into 300. if bro is holding AQ off he is 20% to hit an over card pot is now 380 villian only has to call 80 into a 380 pot you just gave him pot odds to call. Not including implied odds . I bet 300 you wanna try and out draw me you paying. 80 is a stupid bet.

[@korgman1231]

Annihilator got annihilated.

[@adamseidel9780]

He’ll call and bluff with absolutely any random garbage so there are some 4’s mixed into his massive range that’s full of crazy garbage so I’m definitely not getting odds to call 3 to 1!

[@marktweet7395]

Terminator gets terminated

[@kidpoker8395]

Horrible fold. I see you getting taken advantage of. Having that wide of a range is reason for you to call not fold. It was a jam turn for a majority of players to block and charge the very draw he had.

[@DescartesRenegade]

for villian to lead the turn with a 4 would be some meta poker play, which would entail hero to be good enough to think like bart. In my experience, live poker at these stakes almost NEVER even gets close to meta poker.

[@mikeob6325]

bet on turn makes no sense must R ...put sb on flush draw...make him pay...must call river

[@Infinitah]

Welcome to Detroit

[@garygwinn5818]

Some people play poker their whole life without understanding the concept of pot odds

[@brabhamfreaman166]

Wataguy!

[@Tirisfalen302033]

if hes loose then hes prolly bluffing higher freq and you have to call

[@trdi]

I was surprised that he folded, because of the annihilator nickname. Usually people don't call themselves annihilator when they lose money. I guess it's his style of humor. :)

[@jimbosavage]

Maybe he's the anhilator of his own bankroll.

[@Gos1234567]

@@jimbosavage lol the twist:Everyone else is annihilating him

[@tf368]

@@jimbosavage 🤣🤣🤣

[@leonardmccannon8828]

Bart is exactly right about calling the turn. If you have decided to put that much in on the turn, you should almost certainly be calling off on the river unless perhaps it's s spade. So why not shove? The only benefit of simply calling the turn is to pick off a bluff shove on the river that might have folded to your turn shove. If I just call the turn, I know I am calling the river as the hand plays out. If I am the villain and I have a four 4 in my hand, I am most likely check raising the turn - not leading. I mean the 4 would be a great card against the overpair. That looks like a safe card for JJ. The small flop bet is a good way to induce the villain lead bet as a semi bluff. Sure you could be wrong but not often enough to fold in this spot.

[@nicks210684]

The guy probably wouldn’t have folded K7ss on the turn if hero shoved. In fact with his spade draw and his K he’d nearly be getting the right price to call anyway.

[@xipleadthe5th]

I’d fold turn but call river as played.

[@qlow5956]

Another hand of, who played it worse?

[@2017Fed]

Nit 🙂

[@hectorstar6601]

If he had A 4 Full house bets less for a call ?

[@fevolenko3995]

Paused at 8mins. Hand that flats pre and donks this turn 100% are A4d and 22. The sizing means anyone calling gets odds to call all in if they have AA or river flush etc

[@davids4063]

Flush draw does not have proper pot odds to call on the turn, not even implied. Also 22 raises flop. A4 or A2ss are the only made hands on River.

[@dan22482]

22 is a slam dunk raise on the flop vs a small cbet and call from the guy in between. A4ss is possible I guess but it's only 2 combos total.

[@TEAMGETHELP]

Boss is calling.

[@Dexerion]

OMC Annihilator

[@jacure123]

He was definitely in a spade draw., since here has no spades on him.

[@tonyneuman1500]

I thought this too. Having no spade blockers, if you felt this was close, should be the final factor to push towards call.

[@rppoker4768]

OMC in the crib

[@shawnlinville7907]

I like chicken

[@GotoyourhomeBall]

Oi

[@xxxYYZxxx]

I simply can't comprehend hero putting $470 into the pot and folding for $600 while getting 3:1. Hero should consider playing with a shorter stack. If Hero doubles or triples up, then buy into a 5/10 with a (bigger) short stack, and stop getting owned on the river.

[@guybrushthreepwood8174]

Bart, doesn't your fragile self esteem feel protected now that dislikes are invisible? 😑

[@CrushlivePoker]

The only self esteem hits being taken are from the snowflakes that try and ratio every Dr Faucci/Kamala Harris video

[@bacchys]

Villain could have a 4, oc course, but he also has a lot more bluffs than he has 4s. Hero should have called as played to the river.

[@bustdees1324]

Atleast someone is listening! Hehehehehehe