The difference between 4e and 5e cam timing marks

Whats the difference and how many degrees does it change the cam timing?

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Hi guys check out our online shop for all your 4e and 5e goodies. We will have more cams available soon! Still plenty of springs and titanium retainers in stock. campdogs.store/collections/all

[@Kapil-Patel]

Nice explanation bro 👍🏽 Your starlet information on youtube is unmatched. I want to see this channel sky rocket so Matt & Nick can build some crazy sh*t 😎

[@chetronics]

You sir are (in my eye) a 4e/5e LEGEND! Thank you for all the great information you have provided to all us 4/5e builders. Shame these cars and engines are out of production. Do you have any ignition maps to share???

[@jelaniwhittaker6024]

Wow im a junior mechanic that owns a starlet and ive learned so much from you... keep giving us this great content thnx from all the way in barbados

[@Ricerguy]

Car on IG?

[@kasunfonseka7039]

Thanks man u save my day and learn what we didn’t know thank you for sharing the knowledge buddy

[@mitchelwood2749]

Currently rebuilding a 4e and was just wondering what the difference is between the two dot punch marks on the cam cap for the timing on the head

[@BabG-g7v]

Actually i support you for the knowledge gain...

[@feltonjhammond]

I've really enjoy your 5E-FE videos and I am currently rebuilding mine. It will be a street engine and I'm hoping for max long life. I can't find the part I want most, however: MOLY piston rings! Seems that the USA vendors don't make them. So I'm asking about OZ vendors, does ANYBODY make 74mm MOLY rings??? Regards, Felton.

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Buy rings from the dealership.

[@azaziah28]

would be great if you get hold of some of those adjustable scissors gears to do some testing...

[@DimZin]

I think mine only has the 5e mark and it's a 4efte. Is this possible or do 5e and 4e cam gears have both marks?

[@djfrankieflowers]

Brilliant.

[@ChristophSaidi]

Je cherche ce moteur pour acheter

[@yeri805]

Greetings, new subscriber, I really don't understand what you're saying, my question is which brand should be set for the 4e engine because my engine is 4e and its brand is 5e. Thank you

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

4e for the 4e and 5e for the 5e?

[@yeri805]

The 4e doesn't look good for the 4e or at least I'll have to try it, now I've disassembled it to change the cylinder head gasket and I'm going to see how it looks in the 4e, but it seems to me that I assembled like this the other day and it didn't start, I also think that if in 4e you have been started it could be by the distributor, if in 4e for 4e how the distributor should be it would be good to know, thanks

[@EspoirTuyangalala]

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[@jimmynyoike]

This was interesting

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Cheers jimmy

[@kasunfonseka7039]

Hi bro thanks for putting this video lot to learn from you . How can i contact you fb or any media need your help plz

[@mervinjohnbaptiste4889]

Appreciate the cut off view on the engine and the explanation, very practical.

[@Noahh_jp]

My precious…

[@PeterAndersons]

.Yes mate! I have always wondered... thanks for teaching me!

[@peteryokahui]

all i know is bro the piston has to be at top dead centre, the crankshaft pulley wheel should be at the mark, and the number intake camshaft lobe should be touching the intake hydraulic lifters and exhaust camshaft pulley wheel 5E mark facing at the top and the hole below the 5E No Letter on cam wheel has to align with the dot on the camshaft bearing cap

[@madmovements619]

Great video! I’ve been puzzled by this from ever since. Great explanation👌🏽

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

cheers mate :)

[@minecraftclone]

Can you do a video on how to adjust your stock 5e cams to better performance???

[@greasemonki4564]

Amazing. Top lad,thanks for sharing.

[@jaimesegoviab5451]

what application is for turbo engine?

[@rolandsteven1346]

Now I see the difference of the timing mark

[@angelsandoval6493]

Hi technician, interesting video and information. Similar situation occurs with 2E and 3E engines.

[@qaz3000]

Thank you so much for the invaluable info ! Can we switch between 4e and 5e camshafts just by changing the mark or is there another difference in the cams??? ty

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Cams are the same. 5efhe intake cam only has an extra 1mm lift

[@qaz3000]

@@MattBerrymotorsport Thank you thank you ! Yeah I know about the 5efhe. I want a set of big cams like you have, I can only find big cams for the 4E, they are advertised as "turbo" cams. I have built NA 5e, do you think those turbo 4e cams would do ? Dbilas sells them.

[@marvelousdube9042]

Lovely

[@ArmySigs]

Thanks dawgs! I did timing belt on my 4efe last weekend and now she won't start lol. No spark at the plugs or dizzy, no one can figure out what's wrong. Driving me nuts!!!

[@terraci]

4e fe wont have the valves hit the top of the piston if the belt breaks

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Correct. With aftermarket cams though the valves will hit

[@drivewaybuilt2265]

excellent video I have wondered about that many times. but the thing I love is how u checked it awesome 👌shoutout from jamaica 🇯🇲 I have a boosted toyota corsa 1996 love your channel keep up the great work wish I could come visit your shop .

[@madmechanic7641]

Getting on now a bit but why does my ep91 S 4efe put out 85hp at wheels after an easy life? Is it because I look after it??

[@minivanin]

5e DIS motors drop power significantly after 5500rpm. This could make it carry power to the limiter

[@darm0tim697]

Hai ,can i use a 4e cilinder head in a 5e-fe cilnder block.

[@madmechanic7641]

Quick question to all.. Anyone know about the S starlet? Coilover rears as standard on mine UK / Not import.. 85 Horse measured @ wheels. ??

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Galanza s? All the same

[@byronswaby4496]

Can the 4e head work on 5e batom

[@rockarchive1213]

Nice video Matt!!! Where can I find an adjustable cam pulley? I would appreciate If you give me a link!

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Usually they pop up on eBay, nothing available ATM

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Usually they pop up on eBay, nothing available ATM

[@rockarchive1213]

Thanks for the reply Matt!

[@juliotjapilon19]

So on my 5efe swapped p7 starlet Im missing top end power. Feels almost dead? Currently i use the 5e mark so I need to go to 4e for more topend?

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Small turbos will also do that. What turbo are you running??

[@Jay_fotography]

Try it in a running engine?🥺

[@tayshincampbell3995]

Frankenstein Pistons

[@nitrosmith0815]

When i have a 4e N/A Engine with 5E Cams - is the 5E or the 4e Mark better for Top End Power?

[@kevin82499]

the 5E mark is 4 degree advance than the 4E means 5E mark have better low end power, if you go for top end use the 4E mark

[@Ricerguy]

Finally a proper video on this! 😁 I use the 4e marks on my n/a 5e. When I first built my high comp 5e, I ran my oem 4e-f carb distributor with mikuni bs36 Yamaha slide Carbs. I had to modify the centrifugal weights in the distributor to restrict them from advancing the ignition too quickly (there was 0 spring preload for a the first few degrees) used to pink like crazy before that. With the 5e marks the torque would come on strong in the lower rpms and spin the tyre, but fall off alot uptop but the inconsistent fuel quality cause severe pinking around where the torque would come in, I retarded the cam timing using the 5e marks and it killed that torque kick but the higher rpms power just keeps climbing. The 5e mark suited my car better with the 3.5final drive, but with the 4.3 final drive and the 4e timing mark suits my needs better. Very unnecessary for a turbo application though.

[@minecraftclone]

I have a turbo 5e fhe. Just spins and has alot of tourque down low. Maybe i should try using the 4e marks

[@Ricerguy]

@@minecraftclone which turbo? Maybe you need an lsd and better tyres? 😁

[@retrofox3372]

@ Campdogs I’m using 5efhe complete with forged internals and bolt parts needed off a 4efte with T28bb so using 4E marks best for turbo size and all round power?

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Do you have stock cams?

[@retrofox3372]

5EFHE cams stock yes with the upgraded valve springs you have mentioned on your parts list, I’m wanting to achieve 280hp-300hp would that turbo be sufficient? It will have a stand alone ecu also with 450cc injectors

[@stu0500]

Awesome.

[@arran951]

Have you ever tried to to advance the intake cam by one or two teeth to create overlap on a 4e

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Yeah you gain a bit of low end torque and lose top end. Not worth it at all as the cams are tiny

[@rb200hp6]

I always wonder if the mark make a difference

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

hows your head gasket problem coming along? ive used the same gaskets as you ans had the same problems, i think the gasket quality is not good. im doing another video on this too.

[@rb200hp6]

@@MattBerrymotorsport ok thats good,but i have no more problem with it

[@DhavalDedhia]

What gaskets are these?

[@Fagirra]

I've wondered about those marks too, but now I know, Thanks for sharing. Also, I've had a look and believe that Honda D15/16 flywheel will bolt onto the 5E crank, not the other way around, Honda uses slightly bigger bolts, but that may be a cheaper alternative to aftermarket flywheels as 5E was a pain to find, at least in NZ

[@kasunfonseka7039]

Bro my car has a K mark and a A mark its a 5AFE engine can u please tell witch one to keep becoz the work shop has messed it up and they dont knw whats the right mark will u help me out bro plzz