CS grad 2 years unemployed calls in to see if its over | Call In 4

[@adambomb4321]

Hello , I am the caller thank you CJ. Keep up good work brother.

[@LukeAvedon]

keep going!

[@adambomb4321]

I honestly thought I was gonna sound a lot stupider

[@adambomb4321]

However I do think I would’ve answered fizzbuzz if the entire question was asked, but should I have remembered ?yeah prolly

[@GlazedGoose]

honestly keep going

[@farficknuger3673]

That app sounds really cool. It might be worth your time to try sell or license that to people in related industries. Quoting is a pain point for a lot of small business owners.

[@snxpple]

I hope this guy lands on his feet. But he is gonna need to do some serious remedial self study if he wants to be a SWE. He clearly did the bare minimum during his CS degree and didn't attempt to learn anything. Please apply yourselves, guys. Thankfully, it's never too late to turn that corner. Study hard, build projects end-to-end, leetcode, and avoid Chat GPT like the plague.

[@adambomb4321]

Thank you for the kind words, noted.

[@natsukisubaru2683]

ChatGPT is a great tool for learning concepts. As long as you don't just copy paste code without learning or digging into it. It's very much like an interactive stack overflow

[@Kyuseishu-]

Damm I need this bro and Im in final year and feel I know little and have been getting carried by chatgpt, I got to remove that

[@DeltaTesla-ph9yh]

But can I ask. Why not learn the SDLC: CI/CD, project development methodologies, code debugging, code testing, version control, etc. and use something like copilot to write in whatever language you want and apply these phases of SDLC? Why is being a syntax expert worth it? I mean to say that understanding what a language is good for but not focusing on writing the code yourself is advantageous.

[@DeltaTesla-ph9yh]

Some projects suggest a 55% increase in productivity when using github copilot. And I have heard that chatgpt is better than 90% of programmers. Not sure about that last one tho.

[@willw1lt]

Bro is the fitxfearless for cs majors

[@igorklimczak1938]

haha

[@samadsyed5396]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@throwaway-lo4zw]

lmfaooooo

[@NinerDesigns1]

He asks people to answer FizzBuzz instead of making them take off their shirt😂

[@FakeAndTrolled]

If the first digit in your height is divisible by 5, print "cooked"

[@moneymaker7307]

Dude just lack confidence. After two years of not getting a job and installing Christmas tree you start sounding like the guy on the call.

[@Jackothy]

i mean every question he was asked was pretty basic, and he couldn't even get in the realm of a correct answer for most of them. I understand it's been a while since he thought about that stuff but it sounds like he never actually learned any of it

[@kaj1543]

@@Jackothyhe answered the tree question pretty well. The other questions are just definition questions that u can learn from reading a book. Programming is more about being creative than being able to answer definition questions

[@shroomer3867]

I agree, dude sounded like he knew what he needed to do conceptually, but lacked the confidence or the words to explain it to others. Dude needs a bit more confidence, maybe even a psychologist appointment if he can get one, and then a little bit more LeetCode grinding and he should be good to go.

[@rgbmanly]

​@shroomer3867 yea but I also feel like confidence also comes from competency and if he was truly feeling like he was good at what he was doing he would show that confidence when asked questions about it and the interviewer would in turn feel more confident about his abilities

[@Beam_Teamer]

bullshit lol. he has no clue what he's talking about

[@artunipuni6678]

I like the type of content where it feels like a genuine conversation rather than trying to be humiliate the caller. Great vid!

[@wearethewearethewearethhe]

Yeah I need to keep working on being humble and trying to make other people confident as well.

[@eleazarhernandez805]

I’m glad I stumbled upon this. This is wholesome, guy is trying his best and CJ is being kind with his responses. This is where real learning goes

[@nickr.4120]

For those saying he knew a few concepts, but didn’t know the technical terms, I would say that communication in an interview is as important as whether you know the material or could do the project at least from my experience. Being as specific as possible and showing your understanding is key.

[@HammytheSammy-ds2em]

It’s a confidence issue and I know because I’ve been confidently wrong but still got a job offer many times. I spent an entire interview saying “I don’t know off the top of my head but I’d consult *insert name* manual to solve the issue” and they gave me an offer, lol.

[@ElmerGLue]

@@HammytheSammy-ds2emthat isn’t the same as what the guy said though. He didn’t say I don’t know x but have y. He doesn’t know concept x to know how to find the proper y to talk about. I had that issue cause my problems weren’t big enough. Learning “full stack” gave me a glimpse of everything and concepts like data structures made much more sense after seeing how and why it is applied how it is. Some programs truly are a disservice to students in that they teach the concepts but fail to help students understand why it matters especially when they are kids from working class backgrounds. Leads to a lot of mistreatment during the interview process if you have low confidence but enough to train up so that they can low ball you.

[@HammytheSammy-ds2em]

@@ElmerGLueNope, I just used that as an example. There’s multiple examples of lack of confidence in himself. In the beginning without being asked where he ranked he said he doesn’t think he’s any good at all. Starting off a conversation with someone with that poor of a personal outlook doesn’t make people think “this guy might not know everything but I think he can figure it out with some research.” Makes me think “this guys going to give up, ask for help every 10 seconds, and never attempt to read documents.”

[@CharliesCharles]

@@HammytheSammy-ds2emagree. I don't know about what they teach yall in college for cs, but I hope that it all lies on the person for getting that job. Maybe the biggest suspicion is that there is a lot of people in for cs so the margin is increased, hence job security rates are at an all time low. The more people, the low average it's going to be. Same with my highschool rank system. 70 people. It was tough being top 10 meanwhile the other school in my town with 300 students. Easy being top 10% gpa go crazy

[@GlazedGoose]

honestly this guy seems way smarter than the Amazon SWE dude. idk why people are saying he doesnt have the drive when he's actually making side buisnesses and projects

[@metasploitness1927]

he is clueless bro wth

[@GlazedGoose]

@ he literally knew more than the amazon intern

[@zachary7860]

he didn't know that % is called modulus ...

[@GlazedGoose]

@ okay he still knew what to type to do the code? who gives a fuck what it's called? is your boss gonna fire you for not knowing it's legal name?

[@GlazedGoose]

@zachary7860 when has it been important to know what operators are called ever? is there a name for the * ? who cares if they know how to type working code? are you just trying to gatekeep to make yourself feel better?

[@1three7]

I'm a SWE that doesn't have a CS degree. I started one and was into programming from a young age but I hated college math and was a bad student and skipping class so I switched to an easy major. After bouncing around in dead end jobs for years I did a boot camp and got an interview because my teacher thought I was good enough to pass my resume along. That got me a technical interview and I was very prepared for that interview. I actually taught them some quirks of JavaScript that they were not aware of. There was no question I was hesitant on at all. Now years later I'm doing interviews and working with new devs hired by other people and it's hard to overstate how little so many of them know. But, what's worse in my opinion is how much they will bullshit you. They will talk and talk and talk in ways that try to make them sound like they understand it but they are very clearly just dancing around the core of the question. We're in an industry that is a lot like a trade skill. You can't bullshit being a good carpenter. You know how to make accurate cuts or you don't. It's the same with code. There's an easily discernable right and wrong answer all the time. To be clear, I'm definitely not saying anyone coming in needs to have memorized every obscure fact about the languages you use. That's totally pointless. You can always look things up online. But you need to be able to explain your reasoning and logic and know how to look things up. You need enough of a base knowledge to know what to look up. I know the job market is bad for new grads these days. That's a real issue. But the other issue is colleges are all becoming diploma mills and a huge amount of the people graduating only learned how to get professors to mark a good grade on the paper. They don't seem to have learned much about being resourceful, independent, software engineers who are capable of finding solutions and understanding risks of how they coded it.

[@Rudeboii1k]

What major did you switch into

[@1three7]

@Rudeboii1k psych lol. It was fun to study and I found a minor that overlapped with computer science, cognitive science

[@ashharkausar413]

Even if you are skilled, it's tough right now. One of my family friends graduated from MIT and was not able to find a job immediately. He recently got an internship, ofcourse he will be ok. This goes to show the current state of IT.

[@hotman718]

A degree in computer science isn't a degree in programming. You take just a few programming courses and most of them are pretty introductory. You will also be taking a good amount of math courses and other technical courses. Computer Science isn't just programming it's a whole field of science. It's ok to not want to be a developer as long as you have other specialties.

[@inmortal131]

Exaclty but he can doing it support, network or security sure but the big problem is the experience requirements is crazy for entry level 4-5 and low payment

[@AdoptedPoo]

cs students dont realise a cs degree is basically a watered down mathematics degree, this is the issue of cs students, they think it's just learning computer architechture and coding.

[@DavidBreneisen]

At bare minimum it should be proof that you demonstrated an ability to solve challenging programming problems. Every semester should have a course with programming assignments and increase in difficulty as you progress. If you're going to do pure computer science and not become a software engineer then that is so much more difficult because you'll be working on unsolved problems that actual geniuses may not have been able to solve yet. Or you'll be in some highly specialized subdiscipline that requires years of graduate school. As a developer you generally solve much easier problems and fit existing solutions to a specific application. If you want to do something like IT or networking then you don't need a CS degree.

[@whiteingale]

Yeah but diverse variety can allow you to find other jobs that have more free space for employing them.

[@The-Dirty-Straw]

That last point, being a developer is the easiest point of entry. If you half-ass at that or atleast don't give it a good shot, other CS domains aren't gonna be in your favor.

[@NateTheNarrator]

Those three years out blunted his practical experience and knowledge on the subjects. I graduated back in 2021 with a bachelor of media arts degree but couldn't land any jobs pertaining to my degree, so I became and electrician instead. I know a little bit more about making films and some technical stuff but a lot of the finer skills I had in editing have faded away. Unfortunately, that's what it looks like happened here.

[@mosasa1307]

Brodie get back to it and find some freelance shit and build a portfolio and market yourself what the heck

[@jkjoker777]

my take is he just lacked a roadmap or an end goal. why should he remember what udp/tcp is if he doesn’t interact with it. it’s just a fact. no one cares about facts. instead if it was “for this streaming service I’m using what protocol should I use?” guaranteed he’ll never forget it and be able to give an much more intuitive definition. I think to assess if he should really pivot or not I would ask: 1. why did you want to study CS? was it interesting to you? do you tinker with computers just for fun? 2. here is the road map to get you up to speed and back on track in 6 months. will you passionately go through this? saying he’s cooked because he doesn’t know fizzbuzz is a bit misleading. on some level yes probably should have already been exposed to it, but it’s something that can be learned in an hour. he first needs to be the person that asks “what are the things I need to master (and why) to be hireable” than go learn those things. engineering school broadly is not about teaching you everything you need to know for work. it’s teaching you how to learn and teach yourself, which is the actual job of engineering

[@AloeVerafied]

Best comment here

[@aronianspigonian8589]

I think he asked it (or almost did) but yeah man. This comment is awesome.

[@seinfan9]

This guy is so far short of whatever he needs to know to even be an intern. He needs months' worth of a refresher.

[@TYGERRECORDS]

Putting the game you're playing is helpful cause they look mad fun and I would be searching a long time for it

[@CodingJesus]

Game name is literally in the description and the first 15 seconds of the video.

[@TYGERRECORDS]

@@CodingJesusno that’s what I said I peeped it was helpful

[@Digger-Nick]

@@CodingJesus "is helpful" not "would be helpful" Jackass

[@mosasa1307]

@@CodingJesus easy their with your tone pall, you are hurting my feelings talking to him like that

[@DrZiggyzoo1]

@@TYGERRECORDS Thank you is literally in the comment

[@Cygx]

The fact is this guy's pretty cooked at the current state. He definitely needs to study up on operating systems, networking, and leetcode to have a chance to get hired.

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

The difference in speed of speech patterns between these two is astounding.

[@_kyrie_01]

This is something that I somewhat struggle with, I really want to find some way to speak more fluently & absorb information better so it reflects my expertise

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

@ What happens when you take caffeine/a stimulant?

[@DetectiveConan990v3]

hows that

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

@ Dopamine?

[@LARathbone]

Yes it makes the interviewee pretty painful to listen to tbh. I agree with others who have said he lacks confidence. But - and I mean this in the nicest way possible - dude just doesn't come across as sounding all that intelligent in a general sense.

[@slimjimjimslim5923]

yall know the cost of entering highly lucrative and highly competitive market of SWE. Just a degree and answering some leet questions ain't cutting it. Tens of thousands of engineers from india and China all looking to take your job and they been grinding leet codes since they were in high school. So let's face some reality here, SWE is gonna get harder and harder as everyone's trying to get into it. It's now the engineering equivalent of a sweat shop.

[@ruleaus7664]

In other words, stay away from SWE.

[@cdot225]

To be fair he didn’t answer even the most basic swe questions. Swe isn’t uniquely complex. This is like asking a physics major what is the gravitational constant and then stumbling around the question.

[@ChadAV69]

@@cdot225SWE is nothing like Physics because in SWE you’re not going to be doing anything that could get someone killed if you mess up. That’s why there are SWE boot camps and not Physics boot camps.

[@jamad-y7m]

This career is dead unless you want to wake up early to manage the Indians. And to do that you would have had to have a career already

[@brianlawler7640]

​@@cdot225 exactly. This guy just doesn't know anything about it. If I was interviewing him there's no way I'd hire him.

[@novarem9828]

I can already tell this dude is not even close to being ready to be a SWE.

[@KaiTheGuy]

I think like cs goes over way too many entry level classes as the guy is describing. Switching from CS to Software Dev was the best decision i made. Not saying CS is a bad major but I think you have to be pretty smart and self sufficient to really thrive in that degree. Starting your own projects, building apps from start to finish, or just being really good at algorithms and data structures and going full dive into what CS offers.

[@Mr.woman_lover]

Went to a trash school with no plan. Looks like he saw those LinkedIn “salaries” and said heck I want to make that much all I need to do is the minimum for a piece of paper.

[@beastbuilds9741]

@@Mr.woman_loverhey our schools not trash 😢

[@BlackwaterEl1te]

Man the thunder sounds of the game on the background made this more dramatic to watch. I do now understand why recent CS have a difficult time getting hired.

[@mosasa1307]

because like canoon fodder, colleges are just sh!tting these smucks out because they were promised good careers and high paying career! but no, they are just getting slaughtered in this market wondering where all those promises went while the colledges just reap the money they made off of them. Its f@cked up but people need to think about their future instead of just jumping on hipe train.

[@hamzahhussain6580]

This game looks hella relaxing

[@dGratata]

To be frank, I think the caller's biggest issue is understanding the questions being asked. Throughout the call, when asked to do something or explain something, he took a really long time to figure out what he was supposed to do or answer. Simply put, this is a put off if you struggle to understand the question and start to answer something unrelated. If bro is reading this - you don't need to be a god at coding, but active listen and try to quickly understand what people question you, if not quickly ask effective questions to gather more information. Managers and leads hire to delegate their own work, not to breakdown everything for you. If you want it, you can have it, just focus on taking ownership to solve the problem at hand.

[@JeterJP]

for a cs graduate to describe an array as “something that can store numbers into a list” is bewildering; that is a highschool/year one description of what is the simplest data structure in programming.

[@ChadAV69]

Why does it matter if you can define what an array is? As long as you can do the work on time it shouldn’t matter. I’ve built several apps with actual user bases and I can’t define what an array is. To me, an array is what you use when you want to store data in a list. Wtf else is there to know? This is why people stop learning to code. The people that do know code are insufferable.

[@archardor3392]

@@ChadAV69 Because if you know what an array is, you know that it is quite different to a list. You know that an array has a fixed size and a list gets resized often as you add items to it. That leads to a big performance penalty in some situations. You also know how arrays work and how they can lead to security issues in different languages. Both points can be the difference between you delivering some work on time or great work on time. And if someone can deliver great work on time for the same price of your some work, why should I hire you and not them? The market doesn't care if you stop learning to code as it is only interested in experienced developers.

[@Maccccccc]

@@ChadAV69 You have to know basic things in any career path. If you want to be a software engineer you need to understand the basics of software engineering. I work systems support and almost failed all my programming courses in college and understand all these concepts better than this guy.

[@ChadAV69]

@@Macccccccthat’s great but I know several people that have over a decade of tenure and are high up in their companies and they didn’t know most of this when they started. No company cares about this stuff unless you’re on the interview table. The idea should be “grind this to get through the interview” not “if you don’t know this then you’re dumb”.

[@dolphin916]

Dumb take. Pretty common for people know only what they need to know. "But he can't recite the entire definition word for word!". Can he use it? That's all that matters.

[@arnv4487]

In my opinion you need to start learning fundamentals again from the ground up. Harvards free CS50 course would be a good start, its kinda clear you lack a basic understanding of computers. Then study data structures and object oriented programming and you should be on a good path. Good luck man

[@mr.mystiks9968]

Not being able to explain an array is just crazy. Honestly this isn’t too uncommon. There’s nothing wrong with a CS degree, because any of his professors would cringe if they saw this video. But there’s so many people that cheat thru assignments that it’s crazy, and they end up not knowing anything. This guy is cooked only because he can’t admit when he doesn’t know something like searching thru a bst. Plus he’s totally lost and wondering if he should start a business, super random and goes to show he doesn’t even know what he wants to do.

[@adambomb4321]

I communicated really poorly here in general. Im just really not brushed on anything. If you give me something to code I would impress you tho I think

[@Marketsentiment8]

@@adambomb4321I highly doubt that. Get to studying my boy.

[@mr.mystiks9968]

@@adambomb4321yeah pls solve fizz buzz for us.

[@mr.mystiks9968]

@@adambomb4321sure code out some FizzBuzz.

[@rickymort135]

​​@@adambomb4321 the problem is that he's purposefully asking fundamental questions you shouldn't need to "brush" up on. They are the kind of questions that should be so deeply ingrained that it should be impossible to forget. That's what he and commenters are picking up on. I'm sure you can write code but that's not enough. It's big sign something's gone terribly wrong in your education or study strategy. It's like a doctor who can write loads of prescriptions and maybe treated lots of illnesses but needs to brush up before answering basic things like the difference between a liver and kidney. That's gonna be doctor prone to costly mistakes and suboptimal decisions and ultimately one I wouldn't hire. Sorry that's harsh but it's the honest truth you might not hear in real life. My guess is that your study strategy has been based on memorising facts rather than building an intuitive understanding of how computers work. This is why you need to restudy to know how to answer the basics whereas for your interviewer it's deeply ingrained knowledge they can't imagine forgetting

[@shadowlooter156]

I only took CS for 1 year and quit, but I tried to practice on my own with yt videos, doing codecademy, and using random apps on my phone to learn programming (Which I'm still doing), but I felt like the guy who had 4 years of CS. Just takes me so long to even understand certain concepts and it's hard for me to explain or answer certain questions. I could have a decent understanding of something, but when someone asks me about it my mind just goes blank

[@cody_code]

Part of the issue is, speaking about these concepts is a learned skill on its own. It's good to find someone who ISN'T interviewing you, who you can talk about computer science concepts with. Also, being able to answer multiple choice questions about a topic and being able to confidently talk about it are two completely different levels of understanding, and if you aren't regularly building things without training wheels (tutorials, videos, ChatGPT), then you're just trying to recite things from memory, not speaking confidently from experience.

[@4seth]

@@cody_code One million percent this. I feel like people who are programming aren't necessarily even the most articulate people even though they can be incredibly intelligent. Learning how to speak about what you're doing takes a certain kind of awareness that doesn't even necessarily lend itself to the work itself.

[@Mr.woman_lover]

You were stuck in tutorial hell

[@TobiasCastillo-f7u]

I mean CS is basically all maths and we know darn well that math isn't the easiest thing in the world

[@finalformluigi]

I graduated from there. Biggest regret was not transferring out, but i got a job at georgia tech and worked my ass off to get where i am now. I was not ready for the workforce based on my experience and not only does it make it hard to get jobs it makes you feel inadequate. (I majored in CS and minored in SWE)

[@hadaraly]

man you are doing a great job for us by this series. don't stop this. Really Appreciate your work

[@moun7522]

You are being kind for not asking him if he actually attended school daily or simply spent years in drinking and partying.

[@KyleBaran90]

Wait, a graduate can't to fizzbuzz? That's shocking if that's true

[@hotman718]

im in my first year in comp science and just took the intro c++ course. I think I can do fizz buzz but it would be tricky, but i think i can figure it out. im not super confident in my abilities yet. its kinda similar to some of the programming questions ive done in class

[@TYGERRECORDS]

Can't do it or doesnt know what it is? lmao

[@greatestever5634]

CS you way more than coding. You have to spend like half of your class on thing like Calculus, Algebra, Physic, Statistic. So if you're 2 year out of college and you don't pratice at home. You're bound to forget. Probably going to have like 2 class where you REALLY need to code. Other than

[@KyleBaran90]

@@greatestever5634 I mean my CS degree felt kinda useless (we focused broadly on different concepts rather than going deep into it) but I learned a lot on my own time in the next 5-10 years doing little projects for myself. I'm not at the level of a quant, but I guess it's good that I know my shit to do things competently

[@natsukisubaru2683]

Bachelor degrees are supposed to be broad. It is supposed to give you a good foundation to pivot and specialize in a field that you like.​@@KyleBaran90

[@Rockyzach88]

He just needs to study. This is taught in school. I'm currently about to close out a CS degree. Younger people who are new to learning don't exactly know how to "learn" the right way, especially if they are first generational. What _does_ suck about college is that it's way more theory heavy than practicality. That being said, that's the whole point of a Computer Science degree. It's academia, not job training. It would be interesting to see a academic setting that does focus more on practical. Anyway, thanks for the video because it makes you realize you have to go back and get down some concepts more concretely. That's all it is. I know a lot just from my compassion for the subject and my honed study skills but I still have gaps, as we all do. I have a feeling the industry can make people feel smarter about CS in general too because they are used to working on something very specific for a while, when otherwise the field is very large and there is much to learn (and to quiz on).

[@LukeAvedon]

these college programs are failing the kids - not know what the stack and heap are. Tragic.

[@enoch8835]

kids are failing the programs. most CS majors have never written a line of code before college and have no interest in the subject other than the money you can makw

[@steveochoa7801]

I learned all of these concepts during my BS. I greatly enjoyed the work and studied hard and took pride in understanding CS from top to bottom. Most kids are not like this

[@chilly2thi336]

@@enoch8835 then how they are graduating if they are failing the programs? it's obvious it's the college programs

[@Finland-od7gb]

@@enoch8835explain the NEET rate and unemployment?

[@Digger-Nick]

Everyone in the program knew what it was, the issue is you forget a lot of information after graduating. The horrible job market only makes it worse

[@JayZenith-p5c]

The way he described an array showed a lot

[@goliathstark9142]

lying through his teeth for a freebie...sounds like me ngl...damn it hurts...imma t up and straighten myself out then apply to compete

[@AloeVerafied]

In order to land a job as a SWE, you don’t necessarily NEED to be a technical expert at an entry level position. The vast majority of entry level jobs are simple bug fixes with a lot of mentorship. That has been my experience. I’ve been a web dev for about 4 years now professionally, and I was just as clueless as this guy if not more so when I was finding my first job. The difference, I think, is that I was able to successfully market myself as a prospect. My biggest advice to young devs who just graduated is make yourself a portfolio website from end to end because the job market right now is tough.

[@proph2t]

As a freshman, this is really insightful. Time to relearn Nested Loops 😭

[@nnn-i5y]

I feel like dude could really benefit from a web dev bootcamp or similar, even a free self-directed one like The Odin Project or freeCodeCamp. A lot of the CS stuff is totally conceptual and forgettable until you're developing software. This dude was not helped by the structure of a four year CS program, but he clearly cares (he's asking on a live stream, he's freelancing, he's starting side businesses).

[@kannonpatterson]

I feel like he might have cheated his way through his degree … when you don’t know basic fundamentals how can you expect to get a job ? This entire interview you could hear that he had NO IDEA how to do anything

[@leul]

Dont think hes "cooked" he probably just hasnt done the grinding outside of school that is necessary. I was in the same boat as him for a bit and you can definitely get it all back as long as you actually care about doing the work.

[@kevley26]

I'm really enjoying these call in videos, I think this kind of content has great potential for your channel!

[@Eyetrauma]

Even though I’ve worked in the industry for a decade or more I enjoy these videos ‘cause I self-insert as the caller and still feel that cold pang of “oh shi-“ if I had to verbally explain concepts I just know inherently. It’s good to shake yourself up a bit.

[@mosasa1307]

put some brazillian music on and you'd be surpised what parts of yours can really shake

[@Eyetrauma]

@ Pretty sure what you’ve just described is a war crime when I do it, sir.

[@samdroid37]

Shame on that program for letting people graduate (let alone pass a course) without knowing these things.. I hope this guy figures it out. He seems like a great person to work with.

[@Enthusiam88]

A lot of these comments are ball-busting. Takes drive?! Get out of here, takes luck networking and doing projects. But don't forget the tech industry, be laying off people left and right. Plus, entry level is not existent in the field. Full stack developer is standard, these companies dont hire and help you grow. Blame the industry too

[@tobeqz7065]

It takes drive first, then those other things you mentioned

[@bogdyee]

Blaming everything else besides your lack of knowledge will not get you a job. Even if you don't necessary love this domain, you at least need to do your homework to get a foot in the door.

[@ringomandinego]

bros just full of excuses

[@entropy3301]

Being a full-stack developer is easy if you understand core CS principles. It doesn’t matter if you learned C++ or Java in undergraduate, those programming fundamentals directly translate to other programming languages. Similarly, SQL and HTTP requests can be learned through self-study. It’s not difficult to be an entry level full-stack developer if you don’t have practical experience with front-end/back-end.

[@eagleman98]

I’m just starting out but listening to this guy just gave me confidence 😆

[@dollarbar1]

Interviewing is a skill of its own

[@gusmangamer]

He basically went to a bodybuilding competition while having done moderate training and eating junk food but supplementing with protein powder. I think he’ll be alright in the long run, I hope this convo helped him because I’ve had the exact same one with other people and myself.

[@laser_yomishido]

the competitive job market in computer science is why i shifted into IT

[@daprince001x5]

isnt it the same for it as well

[@laser_yomishido]

@daprince001x5 not really, atleast in my error, but computer science is much more dreadful

[@IbrahimToure_]

shhhhhh

[@Digger-Nick]

It's literally the same thing, all the CS grads that can't get software jobs are all trying to get IT jobs.

[@ChadAV69]

Please delete this comment

[@PsychonautSaiyan]

I was going for CS to get into SWE. I passed my Java and C++ class but had a hard look at myself and knew I wasn’t cut out for it. My brain was just not wired that way. Couple years later got to working at an MSP for help desk, then sysadmin which evolved into an SI role and TAM (technical account manager) aka sales engineer. It was a long grueling 6 years. Glad I made that realization back in college. Saved me money on a degree that would have just been a piece of paper that I would’ve “faked it to make”. Moral of the story hard truths need to be learned cheating yourself only hurts yourself. Unless you’re gifted there is a grind that comes with technical roles.

[@fxfarris]

I respect the honesty, but will leave my thoughts. I don't want disrespectful, but caller is a loooong ways from being a SWE

[@fxfarris]

This is shocking as fuck

[@KineticCode]

i wouldn't say so. he said he's done contract work and can work with react and has a portfolio. you've never worked with someone who uses AI + google to solve their problems? that's like 30% of the workforce minimum. he just has to get better at explaining himself in ways that transmit that he knows what he's talking about. if he joins any sort of programming community, whether it be react or whatever, and interacting with other developers, he will be able to fix that. not being able to answer questions that have 0 relevance to 90% of jobs honestly wouldn't bother me as an interviewer. not being able to solve a simple real world problem would bother me much more.

[@fxfarris]

​@KineticCode so you're telling me someone that cannot solve fizzbuzz is/can be competent?

[@KineticCode]

@@fxfarris he functionally solved fizzbuzz if you watch it back. he just didnt know what a modulo operator was called. that's more indicative of not interacting with other developers more than being indicative of not being able to solve problems. i was the same way when i was starting out contracting, and i was more or less competent at that point.

[@dillon268]

The Java memory management systems are interesting and I loved learning them! I never got to use any of that info practically since I don’t use C/C++/Java for work lol. I’ve heard this question from infosys which isn’t a good company but if you’re like this guy without a job for 2 years it’s a port in bad waters. I didn’t have a cs degree and managed to find a dev job in a year (2023) so if you don’t give up you got this!

[@LanceBryantGrigg]

I stopped listening at "missile defense".

[@StarContract]

Imagine the code running a missile defense system written by someone who needs chatgpt to explain arrays, we'd be nuked within the next few days

[@Jackothy]

you do not want bro programming missiles or anything missile adjacent

[@DetectiveConan990v3]

@@Jackothy why

[@DankMemes-xq2xm]

@@DetectiveConan990v3 "why"

[@celewign]

Need a clearance for that. Get the TS and the defense contractor won’t care that you suck at CS.

[@DetectiveConan990v3]

ngl bro i was able to answer all the questions but at the same time i just took operating systems last semester, dont u think that most people are gonna forget stuff liek that unless they are working with it on a daily basis?

[@kevenCodes]

Different career path? He should just do what many others do. Pick up a book and fill in the gaps and be humble about his first real job when he gets the opportunity. Werent you self taught? Why cant he do the same thing?

[@CodingJesus]

Call in if you'd like next time I'm live.

[@Mastercane98]

He doesn't seem to be interested in learning, he has no passion.

[@kevenCodes]

@@CodingJesus I will if I catch it on time. I still have to follow up on my original question. One of your top viewed videos is your three month journey on acquiring skills that helped you get hired. Why could it not be the same for him?

[@kevenCodes]

@@Mastercane98 I can’t disagree with you there. I don’t think it would be impossible for him, but he has to change his mindset and really grind if he wants it.

[@adambomb4321]

@@kevenCodesAgreed

[@stratojagster7472]

this is crazy where i live cs, and cs adjacent majors always get recruited straight out of college at a job

[@joshblanket8056]

I think there are lot of variables to this. If you live in a city like San Francisco, Austin, New York yes this is true but it seems like he just needs to get his feet wet in CS again and he will be okay.

[@detroitpistonsplayoffs]

lmao this is the "competition" flooding companies application inbox preventing competent grads from getting a look

[@evano5635]

😂😂

[@alka-holic]

What did we expect with such a hard push for everyone to get into STEM, including people who clearly aren't cut out for it.

[@sp123]

its one of the few careers that being mediocre pays well.

[@alka-holic]

​@@sp123 Yeah, that is true... but the saturation of mediocrity is going to change that, as we're seeing now.

[@goharali7963]

I am an entrepreneur studying industrial engineering in college, but I knew the answers to those questions for instance tcp or cache memory where I needed to actually use it in building various products.

[@morecarstuff]

his answer to array was crazy work. I understand his pain i guess. im over 500 apps deep for just CS. Ive been to hackathons, ive gone out of state etc. probably 750+ on just everything. 30 minutes for binary search wtf! bro i havent coded in a solid year. I can code a binary search and set up the entire object class in about 10 while making coffee. throw in an extra print function to show where we are in the process also man. DAMN his place of study definetly failed him. just his overall answers. but im glad he was very honest and open to talk this was a very good video.

[@adamconrad5249]

Tough watch. Obviously the guy is smart and has considerable skill based on his projects. CJ makes it seem like he's clueless. eg. implying that googling things is a a symptom of incompetence like *real* engineers write all their code directly from memory. Anyone who has worked in any SWE or adjacent role, regardless of seniority level, knows that this is par for the course as there are vastly too many constantly changing tools and frameworks to know everything. It is a dynamic field. If your value as an engineer is nothing more than the snippets you have memorized, you should be worried about AI. Next to nothing from my 4-year CS degree do I utilize in my work aside from only the most general of principles. The entire video is full of other examples of this aloof gatekeepy attitude. The caller mostly just needs to work on his presentation: a more polished overview of his projects, a better idea of his goals, and some confidence are all this guy needs.

[@LonnieLawless]

How does he not know that TCP and UDP protocols are with a CS degree? I would think he would have learned this in four years right?

[@daruthebeast]

if it's 2 years I can understand not remembering, I've been working in CS and have a master and basically never had a situation where knowing UDP and TCP had any use. Most of the questions the youtuber did had little use in real work situations, they're there just to annoy people when they apply for new jobs, so you have to study again what is the definition of quicksort....

[@LonnieLawless]

@@daruthebeast fair enough.

[@arnv4487]

Dude forget that he claims he took computer architecture and operating systems and didnt know what stack and heap memory is. What the hell are they doing at kennesaw state, I heard that georgia state education is low tier but jeez, his classes failed him

[@KineticCode]

@@daruthebeast yea honestly from my perspective hearing the questions TCJ was asking i thought to myself "none of these questions are relevant to identifying a good candidate", but then i remembered that these kinds of BS questions are all you're ever asked at screenings.... so silly. Granted, the responses to those questions are telling. "I want to say x" and getting it wrong is MUCH worse than saying "Honestly no clue since this wasn't relevant to any job i've had thusfar".

[@qwerte6948]

​@@daruthebeast Nah if you dont know what an array is or what the heap is than you probably arent the best programmer out there.

[@jee6213]

2 minutes in, Im currently doing kennesaw state masters degree and in my 2nd year (it allowed me to get in without a cs bachelors). this seems like the perfect content for me. Edit(I feel like I don't have real direction either currently, I switched from the CS degree to SWE). It seems like I'm not really learning much, it's kind of disorganized, and I went to SWE because it seems more job focused as in I'd have a better chance of obtaining one.

[@steveochoa7801]

Do you enjoy it? Do you read and research concepts on your own to expand upon the course material? These are the minimum factors for success in this field

[@g.v.m7935]

I would say get a starter parttime job coding next to your master. You could lay a connection to the real world.

[@jee6213]

@@g.v.m7935 I don't know where to look. I teach full time, so I would need something in the evening which I haven't found anything for.

[@qwaszx2]

What the hell is the difference between computer science and I assume software engineering? I'm just a random 40 year old dev. Ran things, made things, find bugs everywhere. They come up with so many hilarious terms these days. Is SWE just software without design patterns? Or is it learning how to write spec for Indian mills? I think it's hilarious your school things these are different things. Math is math. Logic is logic. You need both in both. CS only touches on physics, but there's that too, which is just physical math. What problem am I trying to solve? Can I do it better than existing solutions? Is it worth the time cost to do it better than existing solutions? Does the problem require expertise and specialization?

[@jee6213]

@@qwaszx2 They're master's degrees which makes the difference I think. CS has courses like Computer organization & architecture, data structures, basics of programming, advanced algorithms, CS math (set theory, graphs, combinatorics). Those are the courses I've taken. It also has theory of computation (TSP, Node Cover, Hamiltonian Circuit, etc) and then you pick a specialization for Data Science, AI&ML, or Cyber Security. SWE only has basics of programming & data structures in common. After that, it's web development, software development, testing & validation, planning & management, software architecture, agile & scrum practices. Then, you pick 4 electives of which you can choose embedded, mobile, systems engineering/development, software security, simulation, design patterns in SWE, and/or cloud computing. So basically, the MSCS is theory-based before you choose a specialization for a field that usually requires a masters, and the MSSWE is practicality-based.

[@soylant7425]

I watched this live got the sense this guy did not have the drive and hunger but rather just did the degree kind of a point less video tbh

[@CodingJesus]

Maybe unhelpful for you, and that's fine, but this video will resonate with a lot of people in a similar situation. There's a lot of people like the caller out there.

[@soylant7425]

@ no hate but also your typical random school cs major like this guy is not going to have that mentality of “get good or be gone” instead they would rather complain about circumstances and place blame elsewhere and fearmonger

[@DetectiveConan990v3]

@@soylant7425 hopefully that is the case so i can get a job

[@b.f.skinner4383]

Damn bro, maybe start applying for junior software engineer positions instead of the missile defense ones... You think employers would want to hire someone with zero experience for a life-or-death role like that?

[@AnaMaddison]

Said the same thing

[@blazejpietras2638]

The way this guy is playing this game is killing me

[@j0hn00arthur]

same he sucks

[@nickklaver11]

This video really puts into perspective how cooked school really is they failed him. I feel like the title of cs major is absolutely worthless if you fall on these basic questions. Leetcode would be ok advice however doing side projects is where you actually learn stuff. It seems like he needs to challenge himself for a bit. It doesn't really matter if you don't complete it fully just try challenging things. I hope things work out.

[@BlackLightning0Games]

You gotta grind to be successful. It’s hard but with 3 or 4 months of actual grinding you can for sure get a job.

[@_Bruno_Cesar_]

What you don't use, you'll likely lose. But it's easier to recover than learning the first time. He learned a lot of different things in university that could be useful in some situations. He needs not necessarily to specialize, but to create a routine around his brain so that he might not lose the information that is useful to his job. He can do that by working on personal projects and freelance works. Even if you're not employed, work on what you want to do, use your degree. I'm just guessing, I'm an undergraduate.

[@Agenda-i3g]

he just doesn’t have the drive

[@Sam-wt8hb]

No, he doesn’t have the tools and you could tell he’s a first-gen student and he’s most likely trying to reinvent the wheel

[@musashi542]

@@Sam-wt8hb whats a first gen student ?

[@bulbasaur1232]

@@musashi542first generation college student/graduate. Has parents who only went to high school, if that. So he has poor people mentality and habits he needs to overcome.

[@sho6501]

⁠@@Sam-wt8hb no excuse.. all the first-gen people I know are insanely driven to the point it gives me imposter syndrome

[@socalledtwin]

Are you planning to do more of those free call in sessions?

[@CodingJesus]

Once per week hopefully at the minimum.

[@IEgOImkAwx]

These are really insightful. I always thought CS grads knew more about coding than they do. This just doubles down on the importance of self study. I still think the degree is very useful, but wow.

[@Killi-onaire]

The bar is insanely low, huh? I mean, what I've had to do for my CS major requires much more than knowing the basics of what an array/heap/stack/etc are. I guess there really are some absolutely terrible CS programs being handed for thousands of dollars. That being said, he seems like he has his own path and something that will yield a much better future anyways. I'm finishing up the degree and don't plan on even going into the CS field at all, just getting it done because I was 3/4 of the way there.

[@sp123]

IMO the hardest part is getting the degree

[@discontinuity7526]

This is painful to watch lol

[@adambomb4321]

I’m sure it is for people on a higher level. But let CJ do some charity work for us man.

[@kannonpatterson]

EVERY question that was asked… you can hear him have a question mark on his brain ….. I feel so bad … but at the same time I feel like he cheated his way through his degree… no way you graduate and don’t know basics of ANYTHING lmao

[@mosasa1307]

Live free in the NC!

[@Swanzo]

Most of the work is for companies making business applications. You can't be super picky in the beginning you need to get experience. Take whatever you can get and look for your dream job while you're there getting experience and some money in your pocket.

[@YoungGrizzly]

I’m self taught and know the basics which has helped me build a ton of tools and systems but this was brutal for me. I gots to do better, cause the competition is strong and I’m not.

[@jakobstengard3672]

This guy did not read an operating systems course. Like no way he passed that.

[@colecube8251]

i just wanna say that he did know how to solve fizzbuzz he just didn't remember the question. if you had told him the question and then asked him to explain how to do it then he would have been able to

[@christophernewhouse5832]

He needs more confidence & understanding/comprehension towards specific retention which in coding i have noticed me included start coding multiple languages & never getting good at any of them because we can't differentiate between 3 languages learning 1 is better & being able to easily ask how/why/when/where those 4 questions will lead you towards the retention a individual needs

[@epixdevo3180]

He could realistically do all of that and still not get a job the market is fucked down here.Kennesaw State is the closest thing we have in Georgia to Georgia Tech since it was once Southern Polytechnical State University.Still hella crazy not to know the BASICS.

[@kronoszombieguidesapp]

ive worked at some of the biggest companies , i never did a single leet code lol, just build some cool apps and communicate clearly guys

[@ZynisterActs]

I'm just over 3 years unemployed as a CS graduate. Been on and off the job market, currently focusing on fundamentals to start my job search more effectively. Would love some advice for what theory concepts to focus on and what tools and technologies to learn at the same time

[@CodingJesus]

Call in, email me, I’ll have you on. thecodingjesus at CodingJesus dot com

[@allanshamseddin5473]

How did he graduate? Is it that easy to graduate in some schools in the US or has he simply forgotten everything? Which seems unlikely since he's applying for jobs so I assume he's keeping his knowledge up to date right? Most of these things aren't even things you forget.

[@adambomb4321]

No I can honestly say I haven’t kept my knowledge up to date with the difficulty of the interview process and I just did what I wanted to do. Which is create products fast with heavy google and ai assistance. Unfortunately doing these things will not help you as CJ says. Super glad I found this channel btw

[@Dawsatek22]

so far 1 of the reasons is : never let a child behind policies and more over the years is has gradually lowered education requirement were people who should not graduate normally get graduated anyway causing less qualified people get a diploma but are ending unqualified or not up to standard for the job market. thats also the job market is getting worse there is only lowering quality control

[@Digger-Nick]

It's been 2 years, you can't retain all that information.

[@resteel1525]

Many classes in later semesters involve group projects with low standards just for "team" experience. Many many people are there just because there parents wanted them to go to college.

[@Kazari-h7k]

I'm one year unemployed with CS degree and don't know jack about computers. I did the bare minimum, programming just isn't for me, I knew that the moment I stepped into my first programming class. Anyway here we are, I guess it's retail or minimal tech jobs from here on.

[@jonathanvonwowern-barrefor6618]

I'm not a programmer whatsoever, and this is how I would sound if I were to explain a made-up education and career goals... "Yeah, I did some C++. A bit Java. And you know a little of everything. I want to get into missile defense, and stuff".

[@DylanCalaf]

Interviewee: Shaky voice* Coding Jesus: Munches on a chip*

[@celewign]

This makes me nervous about my CS degree. I have one year left. I already am employed though

[@Bingu-o8z]

Why would you be nervous if you already are employed?

[@rashedsyed9402]

I liked the video. Keep em coming

[@orjandus]

Wait, why do you need to know about heap and stack? I've never seen someone use it in real life. like what's the point of it?

[@darrianbethea8422]

Why do people think CS majors are "experts" we are not. It is the minimum competence, to perform a job, THE MINIMUM. Do some guys go above and beyond, yes; but thats the abnormality in SWE and Life.

[@jlelz]

currently there are over 5 thousand applicants per job. it's not you. i have the exact same issue. going on 3 years now! wrekd i'm leaving the industry, as it seems to be literally overrun with garbage robots who do hiring now

[@GP-bo9nf]

So he says he didn’t work with networking concepts but then lists it on his resume. Then he suddenly remembers “oh yeah I did work with that” when asked 😂 These are the resumes that real SWEs are competing with. I wish them the best of luck but this is ridiculous!

[@sbarter]

I have never used a modulo once in my professional career

[@jewelsonmyjeans]

Listening to this guy’s story makes it pretty obvious that he did not put enough effort into his CS degree. I am not hating on the dude but it sounds to me that he might be too lazy or not trying hard enough. 2 years WITH a CS degree and no job is just absurd. On top of that barely grinding leetcode and DSA I hope he starts trying and I wish nothing but the best for him

[@DavidLeintz]

Took the dude like ten minutes to send his resume to an email. That's why he's unemployed. Bro, copy and paste, what is the problem?

[@bigboxxx]

When the youtuber had to ask a second time if he sent it only for him to not remember that he said to send it through email, I died. Those details need to be caught on first listen/read to be taken seriously by anybody.

[@thedarkwhisperingcloud]

I answer all these questions easy but completely understand where the caller coming from still no luck either

[@najahmahoney4592]

The guy is cooked currently, yes, but he can fix it definitely if he’s trying to go the government route. Just start getting certs and play the numbers games when it comes to applying. Since he don’t have much experience, he’ll mostly likely have to be open to moving to an undesirable location for a while, but once you’re in…you’re golden.

[@jaritothe3rd172]

Build your own course already or recommended structure for people that graduated and never went to college that are cooked to be hirable level type of course.

[@ehhhhh491]

start uploading these on sound cloud. that way i can listen in the background

[@boredguy5805]

where does he stream this stuff?

[@7_jask]

i feel bad for this guy, he seems like he wants to be a computer scientist but not understanding networking and basic internet protocols is critical stuff. i hate to say it but i think he is cooked, but he has a great foundation of information if he is able to work on all those projects even if using Google a bunch. Since he has a Bachelor’s it’s not out of the realm he do a Master’s program and actually commit to comp sci, that was he’s still moving forward. Or he could go another route with tech like Cybersecurity or IT with the knowledge he already has. I have hope this guy will make a good life for himself no matter what he chooses.

[@naception]

Dude I know more than the 1st dude and I'm not even a CS major. Holy shiy