Cub Cadet 33 in. VS. Toro TImemaster

A comparison of an old Cub Cadet 33 inch to a new ( at the time) Toro 30 inch Toro Timemaster.
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[@waltpankowitz5125]

I own the Cub as well and it has never cut like that. One thing I must say is if you look at the blades of each at 7:21 and 13:52 you can see the Cub blades are much more worn than the Toro. I was hoping for a fairer test as I love my Cub but was looking into another mower. Honestly after hearing the Toro bog down I'll hang onto my Cub a little longer. The Cub has NEVER been short on power.

[@redzonehunter9698]

I would never trust putting hands under mower when running,but Toro did well for high wet grass.

[@mh01769]

You can't mulch tall grass like that...you can probably discharge it....unfair to judge a mower based on that

[@markdent4052]

Right

[@Captleemo]

I have the Craftsman version of that Cub cadet mower and it is going on 13 years old. There is no way I would try to mulch grass that high. Instead I remove the mulch plug, mow the grass and then reinstall the mulch plug and mulch the clippings with excellent results. Of coarse I try to keep up with the grass so it doesn't get so long that I have to cut it twice.

[@BluepitJess]

I serously think the blades on your Cub Cadet were worn out. Ive seen that same model do a lot better than that in other mowing videos on youtube also cutting tall glass.

[@charlietaylor4277]

Bluepit

[@jamesbowen1071]

Ive had both mowers ... cub is better. Neither is a commercial

[@tommycorbin7093]

Blades were rounded on the cub for sure

[@martianshoes]

No, they just poor mowers.

[@toxictophat4194]

@@martianshoes a sharp blade will cut its how rotor mowers mow how it clumps is the mowers job

[@jimbo3267]

I have a 7 year old Craftsman that looks very similar to the Cub Cadet but with battery for electric start, and an oil filter. Mine is 33 inch, 420cc, 13-15 HP and goes like a bat-out-of-hell. It has the big tires like the Cadet and it climbs a 30 degree hill effortlessly even though they only rate it for a 15 degree hill. My understanding is there are two types of systems used in most small engines: splash lubrication and forced oil lubrication. I assume with an oil filter the engine has an oil pump ("forced oil lubrication" which would be necessary to get lubrication on steep hills.

[@finallythetruthisout761]

The Time Master gets my vote

[@robertwhite9898]

I was given a cub & has a 42 inch deck with twin blades & powered by a 10.5 HP B.S engine . The only thing I did was replace the battery! Other than that it’s been a good mower . The key with any mower regardless of brand is Maintenance & keeping the blades sharpened! That’s key !

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Absolutely maintenance is key glad you are having great luck with your mower

[@mathteacher2651]

Thank you for the excellent demonstration. I was kinda set on the Cub Cadet, but now I see I have a little more homework to do.

[@scbane]

Agree with your test. My CC Rzt zero turn is a damn good mower. The 33 walk behind is junk. Bag chute clogs almost every pass. Leaves clippings everywhere, unless you weight the back of bag. Gave mine away and bought a Wright Stander, haven't looked back.

[@markbrisec3972]

Toro Timemaster is a beast, I use it professionaly for years without any breakdowns except regular sharpening the blades, changing the oil, etc.. I know Timemaster isn't a professional machine, his brother Turfmaster is a pro machine but guys I'm using it every day during the season and it works perfectly. Sure, it has a lot of plastic parts that are all metal on the Turfmaster but I take care of my equipment and no trouble there. They also say that the Turmaster has a pro engine.. Yeah right... Never had any problems with my B&S on Timemaster. Last but not the least it's much lighter.. So I fully recommend Toro Timemaster or if you need a 22" mower than there's nothing out there that beats Honda HRX series with plastic deck...

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

I agree after years of use the Timemaster is a nice mower. once I started hiring employees I did make the switch to Turmasters for the added durability. Yes when we need 21's we use Honda's

[@vegass04]

@@BirchsLawnCareLLC You lucky bastard.. I can't get a decent employee for years so now I have my 65 yo neighbour working for me part time.. All these kids that come full of hope and vigor, saying that they are hard working and diligent usually break my equipment within a few days or "steal" hours by sitting and goofing around since they are payed by the hour. Everyone wants to be a Fortune 500 CEO by the age of 30 and not break a sweat. I started rambling. Sorry..

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

@@vegass04 LOL, I get it totally, I found hiring zero experience guys the best for taking care of equipment, but things are still going to break more even if they think they are being careful. Pay for Performance will cure the time stealing issue. ( learning as I go)

[@rpmimprovementoutdoorservi9968]

Chad has been doing pre purchase comparisons between our 33” cub and the 30” toro and possibly a Honda. We had pretty much settled on a 21” Toro and a 30”. This video pretty much seals the deal. The cub cuts fantastic when it’s not getting worked to hard. Like my brother says every tool has its purpose.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

True every mower does well under the right conditions, unfortunately we don't always get to work int he right conditions...lol The cub has been gone for a long while but one thing I can say it did climb hills and go down hills very well.

[@jaystone3516]

are your blades sharp are they deformed or bent it make`s a difference in cutting how high or low makes difference also. mulching tall grass is hard on machines period. you can change your blade configuration to cut the grass up to get more fine pieces. but most mowers are better at side discharging.

[@thelongboardinglaxer]

To anyone interested...definitely buy the Toro over the cub cadet. After about 100 hours the cub cadet starts falling apart! I had numerous cables snap, the deck broke off from the brackets and the frame crack! I purchased the Toro after and it has been so much better in terms of reliability! It also performs much better on hills. I would not recommend the CC to anyone.

[@1teddy1979]

Any mower should stall the engine before slipping deck belt. Something is definatly wrong there or it is a huge design flaw

[@roadstar499]

or worn or loose for sure,

[@joescheller6680]

first thing sir never do what you did twice clear the deck out with the moter running and question are the nblade the same type would mke a difference in how oit cuts the taller stuff

[@Mr_Tecumseh]

I owned that 33 inch wide cut mower and it always did suck at cutting. I ended up selling it for $1000 so I got my money back. The Toro Timemaster needs a larger engine. I hear the thing bogging down as your coming forward. If the time master had a larger engine it would probably be descent. The design of the cub cadet, which is MTD and also made them for sears just had a terrible blade design. Its a twin blade and the blade turn opposite of each other, if it had a 3rd blade and they had synced it correctly it probably would have been a good mower, but they were just designed poorly, they both were, one needs a bigger engine the other needs a better blade setup. I don't like either, the one I know from experience. That's my opinion.

[@sunnysacto]

Back in the day, Toro Commercial 2 stroke was king, fast walk speed and no issue cutting wet grass.

[@dr.crentist3155]

sunnysacto I miss the 2 stroke lawnmowers. My commercial lawnboys were used daily for over 12 years! I just got tired of pushing them

[@joescheller6680]

blade drive celts are not tensioned right or worn out

[@Lakecenterlawncare]

That grass is way too long to mulch

[@mountainman5025]

And he mows lawn for a living...

[@Lakecenterlawncare]

Mountain Man right??!!

[@JonsDailyHustle]

I'm actually looking into getting both of these mowers and can't make up my mind which way I want to go. We'll see what I end up doing

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

This is a really old video and at that time the cub had a lot of hours on it so it was already an older mower then. So I am sure they are different mowers now. The timemasters now have a larger engine. I now use Turfmasters however that is because of the amount of hours they get on them in a season ( around 200) and I like the added durability of the commercial upgrades

[@MotivationalCharles]

In the same boat, which did you go with

[@M.TTT.]

Timemaster is great for anything other than mulching, especially in grass that tall, I'm surprised it did as well as it did.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Yeah we no longer use time masters because of the amount of lawns we now have but yeah they are a great machine

[@bmcginnis6543]

those mowers aren't made to cut grass when it is a foot tall. you need to cut it more often. during peak growing season, you need to cut weekly.

[@josemaquinas3008]

No side discharge eny lawnmore is go to act stupid with top crass in no side discharge please

[@jambam6176]

MAN!!!!!!! You're brave sticking your hands under that mower with it running! :-O

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

I don't know about how brave I was maybe just a little too sure of myself but this is a pretty old video and no I don't do these things any longer.

[@markholland1778]

I wouldn't call doing something idiotic as brave. More like stupid. Reaching under the deck with engine running, grass expel shield tied open, didn't see hearing protection either.

[@GreatWhiteLionSnake]

The belts are in good condition, but apparently not tensioned properly. They are long belts and will stretch more than most. Proper tension and the C C has no problem.

[@CavvyStudios]

I have an Ariens 1034 wide area walk-behind that's pretty similar to the Cub Cadet except it's 34" with a 10.5 HP Briggs & Stratton I/C. Not sure what's up with the Cub Cadet in this video, but the Ariens of the same style seems like it does a lot better.

[@Ashad2012]

Did you ever comeback and acknowledge that you compared the wrong two models? The Timemaster 30 is comparable to the Cub Cadet CC600 28" not the CC800 33". They have similar specs and pricing.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Why would I say I was comparing the Timemaster to a 28 inch mower when I was clearly using a 33 inch? In any case this is a really old video and we no longer use either type of these mowers in our business.

[@WilliamBolger]

nice one, I spotted a timemaster in our local dealer last year but never saw it working. the dealer told me he never sold any of them yet as most Irish people go for a ride on mower which is sometimes worth more than the cars they arrive in to collect them. I need a faster way to cut my lawns but not willing to spend €3000 for a ride on. I think I might invest in the timemaster next year

[@Aplushandymanservice]

I have the same cub Cadet I think 🤔 but I use different blades with a high lift and mulch blade combo and mine is the 420cc with sulky and seems like mine cuts way faster and easier. I never get grass caught up like you are unless it’s really wet I may get some but I’ve never noticed it

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Thanks for sharing

[@JesusIsaFlatEarther]

Update: I loved the Toro when I first got it, and this video is what convinced me to buy it. But here is what I don't like. Having lived in Texas, I use to love to mulch. But now I live in the northeast, where the grass is wet from dew, often well after noon, when side discharging is the preferred method. And even then, because it's primarily a mulching mower with two blades spinning in opposite directions, it keeps the grass under the deck, and then clogs up in the discharge opening. And the mower will bog down in wet grass even if it's not to long. The ideal commercial mower for wet/tall conditions is one that will get the grass out from under the deck so as not to bog down. If all your lawns are dry and short, then the Toro is great, and well worth the money for the 40% extra cutting width. But mulching mowers are not made to cut high or wet grass. I don't know if they even make a single blade, self-propelled, rear wheel drive, with a large side discharge opening. But if they do, I'll be buying it real soon, or I'll enlarge an opening myself. One that's a bit lighter then the Toro which can wear you down if cutting in close quarters and ditches. Does anyone have a suggestion on a mower that is powerful enough to side discharge tall wet grass?

[@frankwhite1895]

I'm glad I just watched this video. I have about 7 or 8 yards with a Torro Timemaster, and while I love the cut and the deck width, I've been unsatisfied with the power and its lack of maneuverability. Just a slight incline will make you think you're using your dads old mower from 1985. But after watching this video it looks like I made the best choice.

[@JesusIsaFlatEarther]

B Brown I just bought the Timemaster. I'm loving it so far. But I keep running out of gas. My Exmark with 7 gallons has me spoiled. I tried mulching foot high grass, and it couldn't do it. And really slows down when wet grass gets stuck up under the deck. But when the grass is normal height, it does a fantastic job. It is a bit heavy in close quarters, but man is it fast.

[@stevenl5652]

#1, use high lift blades if you aren't already. I can't stand so called "Mulching blades" ie, Gators. Also, look up a product called Clean Deck 1000.

[@JesusIsaFlatEarther]

Steven L Why do you like high lift blades better then gators? I just did a test and found that it didn't look as good a week later, with the grass that was left on top being much longer then with the mulching blades, so I put the gators back on.

[@JesusIsaFlatEarther]

B Brown As far as lack of power, I found I needed to tighten my blade engage and the rpm's came up. I first tested it by pulling up on the cable by my hands to see what it did, and that brought the rpm's/power up. Now mine is working much better in thick grass then it was. The cable runs to the front of the engine up under the pulley cover, which just has four screws that hold it in place.

[@skyfly51]

If i was mowing very long grass like this, how would these two mowers work doing side discharge?

[@steineken1810]

Mike's Auto Garage clumpy and shitty and mass amounts of regret

[@mathteacher2651]

I don't get it...the Toro has a 190cc engine, and the Cub Cadet has a 420 cc engine.Something is wrong with that experiment - maybe the belts are way too loose.Even a dull blade will cut better than that.

[@stevenl5652]

But the CC motor is a Chinese built crap motor with absolutely no torque whatsoever. I have a Ybravo with a Kawasaki 190cc and I can push through 3ft high grass open chute with it with no problem.

[@jamesbowen1071]

I have the YBravo Gen II 25 inch w/kawasaki FJ180 ... it is a great mower, a little under powered but vacuum and cut quality are terrific

[@gregoryfaulkner5345]

Beginning 2017, the TimeMaster and near-equally-equipped TurfMaster and near-equally-equipped ExMark30 all have a new, larger engine; a 223 cc B&S motor to replace the outgoing model shown here that has a 190 cc. The performance upgrade is +1 1/4 ft-lb torque. From 8 3/4 to 10 ft-lb. Reviews of the 190 cc TimeMaster often include an underpowered complaint that is not ever mentioned in any of the reviews of the new model with the larger engine; however, almost every single review of the newer model states that the gas tank is too small and run time on a tank of gas is only about 30 minutes, which for me, that's a deal breaker on a mower that's supposed to save time over an engine that's slightly underpowered. It takes me about 45 minutes to mow my 1/2-acre with lots of obstacles; and my mower will just barely make it on a tank of gas and just a little time to blow off the driveway. I own a TimeMaster with the 190 cc, and mine bogs down in anything close to being considered tall, wet or thick grass; and that's in it's best mode, which is with the mulch plate bungy-corded up to create a wide open side opening, and the side chute removed. In mulch mode, it's almost worthless unless you're mowing very short and dry grass, because in any other scenario, the engine will not keep running without slowing way down to a crawl and it gets slower the longer you mulch as the grass underneath the deck continues to build up. And remember, the name of this mower is TimeMaster. With the side chute on, it does pretty well but you still have to slow down in average grown grass after the month of June in the southeast and in thick grass the opening will periodically clog up turning it in to mulch mode. The TimeMaster does very well with the bag attached and it's removed and installed very easily. It will vacuum up dry dead grass and leavers very well and it comes with the bag and removable rear chute. I've also got a back-up mower; a very cheap 21" Weedeater push mower with a 5 1/4 ft-lb torque that has dull blades, and that mower can be pushed faster in thick grass at the same cutting height than my TimeMaster without bogging down. It does not, however, cut nearly as well quality as the TimeMaster even if it had sharp blades, but this $175 mower has more engine power relative to the blade spin than the $1,000 TimeMaster. Now for the good news: The TimeMaster is a dream to mow with. Personal Pace is the best propulsion system out there. So intuitive; so easy to use; very low profile for it's width for going under trees and large shubbery; great trimming mower, because the deck is as wide as the wheels, which means it'll cut right up against a fence better than any mower I've ever used, and it does not leave much uncut area to it's front considering it's size (8 inches); and so the TimeMaster is very productive for cutting large lawns, yet compact enough to cut just about anywhere that a 21-22 will cut, enhanced by the fact that one can lift and lock the handle up to 90 degrees very quickly and easily for very tight spots. The mower also cuts very well and is amazingly nimble for it's size and the 30" swath is very nice. In order to take the TimeMaster from a good mower to a great mower, especially considering it's $1,000 price; what Toro needed was to up the engine size just a tad, as they have done, so that it doesn't bog down too easily, but Toro and B&S should have ensured that the run time with the blades turning was at least an hour. So the B&S 223 needs a tank at least 80% larger. That would have fixed two weaknesses of this mower, but what they did instead was fix one weakness and make the other weakness worse to the point of unacceptable. The TimeMaster also needs more durable pulley's and belts, as I had a pulley go bad in my fourth season mowing only one 1/2 lawn; and this is a very common complaint with the mower; and it needs a side opening that's larger so that the mower can expunge grass as quickly as it cuts it; it would therefore need a corresponding larger chute ; and it needs a system whereby the chute can be flipped up while attached, instead of having to remove or install the chute when needed, which is a hassle. As for the mulching weakness; I'm not sure this can be fixed in such a compact mower with a 30" wide deck. It would have to include a longer deck to deal with all the cut grass, but then it wouldn't be the same sort of great compact, wide-cut mower. There is currently three MTD-made 28" mowers that have now been on the market almost a couple of years that compete directly with the TimeMaster (Craftsman, Troybilt, and Cub Cadet) that are more of a direct competitor to the TimeMaster than the CC 33" or the Troybilt 33" cut or the Craftsman 33" cut. These 28" mowers also use a pace SP system to copy Toro's Personal Pace, but the MTD version requires pushing downward, instead of forward on the handle. I've not tried one, but watching videos and just thinking about how such a system would work in comparison, I don't think it would be nearly as good; not even close. I've also read where the MTD versions have a slower, possibly unacceptable top speed with their SP system. The TimeMaster is pretty quick when you push full ahead, and that's part of what makes it a TimeMaster; slower would be unacceptable for me. The front wheels on the MTD versions are not equal distance from the deck, because on the MTDs, the deck is cocked sideways a tad; the left side is very close in towards the deck like the TimeMaster, but the right side is much farther forward, and so it will not cut as close to a fence or structure to the front as the TimeMaster. I know that at least the Craftsman has the same B&S 223 cc engine and the same gas tank and the same complaint as the newest TimeMaster. I believe at least one of the MTD models has a Chinese B&S knock-off brand engine instead of the Briggs 223 cc. Feature-for-feature, the three MTD brands can save from $100-$150 compared to the TimeMaster; but I just don't know if the larger swath concept would even be worth it with respect to the MTD models due to the pitfalls listed above. I don't think the 33" CC or TB or Craftman are worth the $1,200 considering their drawbacks unless one is mowing a large lawn with few obstacles. There is also a WorldLawn 32", but it starts at $1,800, but it too has a higher profile and so really, the TimeMaster and the trio of MTDs are the only mowers wider than 22" that are designed pretty much like a 22" inch. If Toro or MTD would address a few minor issues, they'd be a great concept of a mower for an acceptable price premium. I paid around $840 for my TimeMaster, because I waited for a deal and then I applied for a Home Depot card and saved 10% on my first purchased. I then turned right around and paid off the card and cut it up. I think I got my moneys' worth in my TimeMaster, but if I'd paid $1,000; I'm not so sure; I'm also skeptical about paying $1,200 for a 33" MTD mower; or $1800 for a WorldLawn; or $850-$1,000 for a 28" MTD; but have carefully considered all of them for my next mower.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

That was quite the long comment but thank you for taking the time to write it. I still have my time master but it doesn't see much work these days. It just doesn't hold well in a commercial application. I have not tried out the new engine. I have a friend with on and he really likes it. I have not owned my CC 33 for quite sometime though it had a stronger engine there was only a couple of things I liked about it. I do however run the turfmaster and am quite pleased with its durability and have no issues with its power but I do not put it or any of my equipment into situations that they would not work well in. Thanks again for watching and taking the time for the comment.

[@ShaunPPatterson]

Omg, the longest comment I've ever seeb lol. Great info though. I just ordered a Cub Cadet cc800 33 inch wide cut mower from home depot after extensive KZbin reviews. I think a lot of the bad are just people getting bad machines because of mass production issues (it will always happen). 1 thing I do know is I'm gonna zip tie all the cables first thing so they dont snag and break, and also put fuel stabilizer in it every tank. I'm going to be changing the blades to Oregon G3 or some other mulching blade before my first cut.

[@roadstar499]

so are you saying even the dealer agreed that your belt and pullies were the right tension and not worn ??... i owned over a dozen mowers in my life and only had belts smoke or slip when wet or worn out or to loose... that grass was not that bad imo... thanks

[@Hondarider250]

Its funny how I called it as soon as I watched this, I said the 1st comment was gonna be someone saying some shit about him not shutting the mower off when he was messing with it and sure enough it was. I understand it can be dangerous but when you actually understand how equipment works you won't have to be as scared of it. Thx for the vid man!

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Yeah I remember back when I did this vid, I knew I was going to catch hell for that...lol

[@andreabond3501]

Impressed with the Toro even though I use Honda's

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

i don't use the timemaster any longer but they are good machines. . I too use the Honda for when i need a 21 inch mower.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

@@johnrogers9275 I have since upgraded to the commercial Turfmaster model.

[@roadstar499]

@@BirchsLawnCareLLC so if price was the same and you had only 20 yards a week which mower would you want turfmaster or that 33 cub cadet? thanks

[@mrmomrm]

I have a cub cadet 33 in.....and I call BS on this test, I have gone through higher grass than that plus small brush. I also have a smaller toro that I love as well but save the hard stuff for big bertha (cub cadet) PS. I caught a water shut off one time and the cub cadet was so powerful it twisted the deck

[@joescheller6680]

the cadets have flimsy decks no surprise and bearing undersised. if it had not been used the deck needs to get polished up and they work a lot better???

[@mrmomrm]

nothing wrong with the deck.....the immovable object I hit is testament to the power of the machine, the deck didn't stand a chance, definitely not flimsy

[@JWNLawnCare]

@@mrmomrm I found a water meter on an overgrown front yard yesterday with my 42" Victa (Ferris) zero turn when the left hydro decided to do its own thing and it didn't do anything to the deck or blades etc. Water meter didn't come out of it so well though..... Not sure how you'd manage to twist a deck like that?

[@JeffreyCoumbe]

Isn't the walk-behind style much easier than the push style? I know they both are self propelled, but the lifting the front of the mower to turn seems like it would get old quick.

[@jonwojcik4494]

The walk behind mower he has( cub cadet) is very awkward to use if you have previously used commercial walk behind mowers. On a commercial mower, the levers are underneith and if you release you still hold a firm grip on the mower bars. These Cub/Craftsman 33" have the levers ontop of the bars, in which to release the blades or let off the drive clutch to turn around you are literally taking your hand off the bars. For this reason i do not like the 33" with this style drive.

[@WillyEast]

I live on a hilly lawn. I have the 33 inch cub cadet but it leaves a lot of clumps and I was thinking of the Toro. Will the Toro do well with hills?

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

We use Toro 30 commercial inch mowers now. but that cub is a different transmission all together so it climbs hills on its own. The Toro will pull small hills but steep stuff your going to have to help it.

[@WillyEast]

@@BirchsLawnCareLLC Will it wreck the transmission to go on hills with it or anything? Does the Toro leave many clumps?

[@shadwell749]

@@WillyEast I know this is old but for other people looking,I have the toro and it doesn't pull hills good at all but it cuts really good and no clumps but I try to cut when the grass is dry

[@WillyEast]

@@shadwell749 I actually haven't bought a new mower yet. My concern with the Toro is the small gas tank. Also how well will it cut tall grass without leaving clumps?

[@tmanning4usa]

i hope you had new blades on the cub cadet since it was older so this would be a fair contest because the toro is new and has new blades i had a toro time master and i think it is under power with a 190 cc engine

[@garryryans]

tommy manning mines works better that

[@340rps]

Got an older troy built 33"( same as these) and it cuts horrible. Any kind of thick grass it cuts like shit. If you have thin grass it does ok.

[@martianshoes]

I’ve had a version of the Cub shown here. Shallow deck, bad design - all marketing, terrible performance. Sold it as fast as I could.

[@ajad9a]

thnx for sharing this video,I have been looking at both models and wasn't sure on which to purchase...it will be the Toro this weekend

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

+andy criss Its a good mower you just have to remember that is not a commercial model and treat is as such. I run mine commercially, but I do a really good maintenance on it each week, I have only had one problem with it ( it cracked a pully near the end of the season) and it was covered under the warranty so was no big deal.

[@joescheller6680]

gater blades are for multching not good for that type of application. put the same blades on both mowers and see how they compare

[@CJM080489]

in the market for a wide cut walk behind. I'm actually looking at both of these mowers. so everything considered which would you with if you had to choose? it seems to be the toro even with the lack of pull on the propel. great video

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

I do prefer the Toro over the cub, however it really depends on what your gonna use it for? If you have lots of steep hills that are going to need work then the cub is an excellent hill climber. The Toro has a better cut in my opinion and bags far better. I no longer own the cub but have two toro's so I guess that would be my answer. Thanks for watching

[@mikesoutfishing]

My only concern with the timemaster is I mow alot of hilly areas and im worried it wont pull its weight. Want one but im also worried about the transmission life.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

+whipping grass The Timemaster does pretty well on normal low grade hills, just have to remember at the end of the day it is still a self propelled push mower.

[@zerocool212121]

+C Breezy once your tranny fails you should let us know how long it lasted months/hrs seems to be 1 of the few weak points on it

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

+zerocool212121 Will do......I have two of them. #1 had an issue with a cracked pully after 5 months, so it made it most of the season but since it was warranty work I purchased #2 while #1 was in the shop. Other than that, no issues to report.

[@frankwhite1895]

It does really bad on hills. That's why I was thinking about the cub cadet. Just a slight incline and being its under powered makes for some hard work.

[@djcordes4352]

I have a .new 41 acre yard that seems like it takes forever. I'm using a 21" Honda HRX217HYA with the dual blade. This mower is about the fastest walk behind mover I know of. If it is taking me an 1:40 hustling then would it be worth it to buy the Toro and how much time would it save? My old yard was .29 with threes, but this seems to take forever. Thanks!

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

+DJ Cordes Almost half acre is pretty big for any 21 inch I think. I used to use a Honda HRR216 and still have it and think it is a great machine as well. but going from a 21 to a 30 is a big time saver no mater the brand just the difference in cutting width will take steps off your mow. Thanks for watching

[@boxingfreak5455]

I have the same cub and mine doesn't do that at all I cut grass high too, but it cuts better in reverse lol and it depends on the spend your running it in looks like your blades are too dull

[@BillyGoatLawnService]

I own both the timemaster and the cub cadet also. I bought a set of gator blades for the cub cadet after your video you posted at the beginning of the summer. I used them for a few weeks, then went back to the high lift blades. I feel the high lift blades do a better job than the gators. I really like the timemaster too but I have to clean under the deck more often than the cub cadet when mowing wet grass.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

+Billy Goat Yeah wet grass can really clog up under the time master when mulching, I don't really have problems if I just bag it when its wet. So you like the high lifts better than the gators? I never had good luck with the high lifts. But hey we all have different preferences. I am on the fence for selling the cub, it has its place especially for hilly areas so I don't know.

[@BillyGoatLawnService]

+C Breezy Seems to me the the high lift blades have a better vacuum effect when mowing tall and/or wet grass. Most of my yards are bi-weekly accounts. The time master gives a really nice final cut on those weekly accounts. I do want another cub for backup. I been looking on craigslist and ebay for a used one around $500 or so. Most range from $650 and up. Winter is coming, I'm sure I can get another one for a good deal.

[@joescheller6680]

gators are way over rated and take alot of hp

[@jesuschristfirst5775]

Would you say the cub is better than the toro or worth the buy?

[@AR-fh2uh]

Nice fosters lager shirt!

[@mrpotatoheadracing]

I don't know whether the Toro or Cub Cadet is better, but the belts are too lose to cut anything on that Cub. You say the blades keep "stopping," that is cause the belts are worn out or simply need adjusting. This comparison is fruitless cause the Cub is not functioning properly.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Actually the blades where stopping because grass gets bunched up between the deck and the blade gap and then causes belt glazing, this can happen with any mower when put into too thick of a grass which it can't handle properly. I would love to do a new video of these but I haven't owned a cub cadet in a few years. But feel free to post your own video of your timemaster and your cub cadet. Thanks for watching

[@mrpotatoheadracing]

@@BirchsLawnCareLLC Dude, if the blades are stopping, for any reason, on any mower, when under a load, and does not stall the engine, there is a problem. Your belt needed adjusting, or was worn to the point it couldn't be adjusted. Belts are not designed to start smoking and slipping when under a load as you described in your video.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Yes you are correct, they where slipping because they had been glazed already. It was a continual problem with this mower, yes new belts would kill the mower but eventually they get glazed and slipped. it wasn't an adjustment issue I was just tired of this mower having issues like this way to often. I understand what you are saying. now though both of these mowers come with stronger engines so I am sure they both handle over grown grass better.

[@mellowjammer]

@@mrpotatoheadracing Correct.....that mower is 10.5 horsepower...it should have performed WAY better than is shown in the video.

[@james-jl2ej]

Maybe the reason why the cub didn't cut good was because you had the stupid mulch kit on it not meant to mow tall grass with mulch kit on the cub

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

come up with that all on your own, did ya?

[@james-jl2ej]

Lawn Care Life ok sorry if I was harsh but I have been a fan of cub mowers for a while but I'm just saying some mowers aren't meant to mulch tall grass like that but thanks for the video

[@donaldpedigo296]

C-Breezy......Thanks for Posting this Informative Video.....I know the effort it takes.....If you are considering a new Video Camera....look for the Lumix FZ300....4K-Video is available and the body is somewhat Water Mist Sealed....and the best thing is that you can find them for sale used, at a good price.....My FZ300 was just $300 "used", but basically untouched......Do You still use the Cub Cadet 33" featured in this video and have you had any luck getting it to cut grass better....?

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

+Donald Pedigo Thanks Donald, I do still have the cub cadet but I no longer have it out on the street with me. It really does cut grass fine, I just found that it had problems when it came to tall grass. If you are cutting a weekly lawn then this mower would do just fine mulching or bagging.

[@yowmemperor]

Id like to see the same comparison with discharge. do the clump, disperse well, etc.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

+yowmemperor I still have the cub cadet I will do video this season on how they discharge. Thanks for watching

[@Carrion2k]

Thanks for your video. I am in the market for a wide cut mower and glad I came across your video before I purchased anything. On a different note: WTF!? Please stop sticking your hands in the deck while the engine is running. I understand that the blades are disengaged, but holy shit man.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Thanks for taking the time to watch it. There are many different options for wide cuts out there, I have gotten rid of the 33 and now only use the 30's.

[@markdent4052]

I got club cadet walkbehind 28 never have no problem

[@mansourramzey7711]

So what is the verdict. What is the toro's engine Tks

[@fat5662]

the only problem with these are the prices holy god are they high

[@jhomrich89]

endangered they're an alternative to homeowners who want a large walk behind but dont want to spend 4 grand on a commercial walk behind. Cheap no, but the only alternative to the cub is a machine that costs nearly three times as much, besides he does this for a living so these make sense to him.

[@joescheller6680]

lot cheaper than azero turn mower or comercial walk behinds of that size

[@richardanderson6874]

Are those Cub factory blades that you are using?

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Honestly this video is sooo old I don't remember.

[@barrywuthrich8530]

Seems like a waste of time. Anyone who neglects their lawn that badly could care less about which mower is better. And seeing how a mower works when being abused by trying to get it to cut and mulch too much in a single pass, is worthless. What matters is how does a mower work under normal conditions? Cutting 1/3 the grass height at normal speed. Any lawn that overgrown should not be mulched. It should be bagged. Better for the lawn and much better and easier on the mower. Better yet, side discharge, rake and pick it up, so you don't have to empty the bag every 5 feet. lol

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Yes you are correct however if you would have taken the time to listen to the video you would have noticed I said I let it grow this tall on purpose for this video. As someone who does this for a living and main audience is other guys starting up they appreciate knowing how a mower works in adverse conditions, because if a homeowner kept a lawn in pristine condition they would have no need for a lawn guy. Could have saved your self some typing. but thanks you for your time.

[@barrywuthrich8530]

Got it. For that lawn, I'd recommend a Dixie Chopper. We've been abusing the one at work for about 6 or 7 years and can't seem to kill it. I know...... apples and oranges.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Barry Wuthrich I've never used a dixie, would like to try one though.

[@samwood7331]

Have a Craftsman 33 which is the same mower, except it has a 12.5 hp engine. it is a monster. Had a timemaster. TimeMaster is probably a better finish mower, but the Craftsman is sooo much better in heavy stuff.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

A lot of people like them I just wasn't happy with it. especially trying to use the bagger set up on it. I do miss how it would climb a hill or go straight down one in low gear and not have to worry about ti running off.

[@stevenchalos4829]

Good demo.....other than the Blair Witch camera work

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

yeah this video is pretty old and was trying my best but didn't really know how to do vids.

[@chrisneuhaus7188]

I have the Cub Cadet. Your Cub Cadet needs some serious maintenance. Mine would cut that with ease and not stall or clog. Your deck drive belt is worn out our just slipping terribly and your blades are very dull. Again mine is over ten years old and cuts grass like that with ease.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Glad to hear Your mower cuts well. I think this mower had 700 hours on it when I did this video years ago. It has long since gone away. We no longer use either type mower for the business. Thanks for watching and the feed back :)

[@exportedafrican]

I was looking for exactly this! Thanks!

[@jackbeeby8905]

1080p one second 10p the next. Can the camera make up its mind? Great video, Keep it up.

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Thanks, yeah one day I will get a solid cam for these vids.

[@ForFUKSake67]

wow very interesting, i thought the cub wouldve done better, thx for the vid ive just purchased a timemaster

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

+FFS67LC The Cub is a good mower and I used it last season a lot. I just find the Time master beats is out in too many areas that are important to me. I mean that grass was pretty dang tall, neither mower blasted through it, I just think the Time master did better.

[@ForFUKSake67]

yea it sure

[@dqrides6446]

terrible video camera

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

+Danny Quesada yup, Maybe one day I will spend the money on video equipment but until then it all goes back into the lawn business. Thanks for watching.

[@stevenl5652]

Civilians can't seem to understand when you're building a business each dollar is a brick. I have the same mower by Troy Bilt and it's been an unlucky turd that only cuts well when conditions are perfect. About to get the Time Master to basically replace it.

[@shawnhenry7871]

Steven L i have two of the Troy built 33" bought both in 1997 & they still work great! Is there differences in these two models? Thanks for the video! :)

[@JohnSmithNE3478]

Shawn Henry well Troy built is made by MTD now. Because this machine is one of three identical units. Cubcadet (made by mtd), craftsman makes one as well (some of their machines are mtd some are AYP), and this troybilt. They also all three offer identical 28in mowers. But troybilt is the only one to offer a machine like the flex between the three

[@JACKnJESUS]

First off, you are comparing a 190cc engine (toro) to a 420cc engine. Secondly, I own the CC 33". I was going to buy a riding, but the wife wanted something to exercise with. Well she only had to use it once. Walked in and said sell that thing. It's a beast, and just trying to hold down the levers wore her wrists out quickly. I highly doubt anyone in the commercial business uses them much. Just get a riding mower if you are going to pony up 1300 bucks. I like CC mowers, but that thing is a dog. Mine is sitting in the shed permanently. I now use a 160 cc Honda push mower, and the wife is happy again. Honda mower always starts on the first pull as well. They know small engines.

[@nelsoninman3678]

Buy smaller blades for the cub cadet.

[@matt08015]

i think the cub cadet needs new blades only far

[@st.hilaireandsonlandscapin2984]

our gravely would of desroyed both of those mowers

[@st.hilaireandsonlandscapin2984]

good vid though

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Thanks, Yes my Gravely will destroy both of these mowers as well :)

[@o-a5649]

Gravely sucks exmark does better

[@HarryHunglow69]

I would bet money the toro had a brand new blade. An the cub had a old blade lol

[@loucrateseveryman5006]

Are they both 223cc?

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

No, the Timemaster is only a 8.75hp though the newer models are 10hp.

[@mellowjammer]

@@BirchsLawnCareLLC What you meant was that it's 8.75 ft/lbs of torque (about 5.5 hp) and the new one is 10 ft/lbs of torque ( about 6-6.5 hp). The Cub Cadet is 10.5 hp. if it has the 344cc B&S Intek or PowerBuilt engine.

[@jorgegomez9678]

Don't forget guys.. the grass is a foot tall

[@jorgegomez9678]

Just in case you missed that.....

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

yep, some people miss that part I am just showing how these mowers did in an over grown grass, If I still had the cub I would show them side by side on manicured lawns but oh well, its a just for fun vid. Thanks for watching

[@joescheller6680]

i have a 25 year old dixon that only has a 11hp moter and it will cut 2foot tall stuff. first pass alittle slow then a half cut walk right through

[@danielgraves7686]

Blades are upside down on cadet

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

nope

[@lancekfishing7502]

Are you selling the toro?

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

lol, that toro and that cub cadet are long gone, its a pretty old video

[@lancekfishing7502]

Birch's Lawn Care that’s what I was thinking lol thanks tho

[@CuttaSquad]

I got the timemaster

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Good mowers up to a point. We now are putting over 200 hrs a season on our push mowers so we have since upgraded to Turfmaster's

[@CuttaSquad]

@@BirchsLawnCareLLC nice 🙌🏼

[@jeffcollins7611]

Someone is working for Toro

[@920PC]

SO short version is the toro is the way to go?

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

Well each mower has its own place but and each person differs in what they like but I can say I do not own the cub any longer and have two timemasters.

[@920PC]

Thank you for the review.

[@jimdavidson5208]

Cub Cadet's are walmart quality, at best. Guess that's why they sell them there.

[@TwoAMBlacktop]

What Walmart have you seen a Cub Cadet at? Home Depot sells Cub Cadet. HD also sells Toro.

[@mich27g]

the toro 22205TE Turfmaster makes that thing look like shit!!!!

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

+mich27g As it should, since it is a commercial model. This was more of my comparison of two residential models that commonly get used for commercial work. Thanks for watching :)

[@mich27g]

sorry if I sounding abusive in anyway, good video though. keep up the good work.

[@jimdavidson5208]

+mich27g It's a Timemaster not the commercial Turfmaster.

[@JWW922]

Not a fair review

[@robertfoster2666]

My toro time master and my troy-bilt 33" would mow better then that cub any day of the week.

[@joescheller6680]

if i am not mistaken the troy built is the same machine with a different moter as the cub

[@wildbill23c]

@@joescheller6680 Yep, Troy Bilt & Cub Cadet are both MTD. Craftsman is also MTD now too, rather has been for several years.

[@jaystone3516]

Toro has better type blades.

[@IanB321]

Downvoted for safety

[@qausadillamickey4768]

Club cadet sucks period I will never by another..World lawn mower rips..Good mower!!!

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

+QausadillA Mickey I have dislikes and likes of many mowers. Never had the opportunity to try a world lawn mower, but thanks for watching

[@Fundaykidzz]

Nice video exactly what model number is the cub cadet

[@BirchsLawnCareLLC]

I have not had either of these mowers for years I am unsure now at this point.