I went back to air cooling from water cooling and couldn't be happier!

[@JessicaFEREM]

yeah a $20 no name tower cooler is still plenty for a lotta computers out there. I put a thermalright one on mine because it was broken from the factory when it was given to me and the tower cooler keeps the CPU at 60 degrees even when maxxed out.

[@projectilevomit1387]

For $16.99 the Thermalright Assassin King is an excellent budget 120mm tower cooler, I have one cooling an R7 2700X.

[@TECHNIKVERBOT]

Something to note: The 1700X and 1800X have a +20C offset in place, so it'll show up as having higher temps than it actually does But yeah, in the age of more efficent process nodes, a decent big tower air cooler like the Noctua NH-D15 are more than sufficent

[@CubeComputerChannel]

Interesting to know. I always thought these temps looked higher than normal given the cooling setup

[@dyter424]

I'm running a Ryzen 5 3600XT at 4.4 GHz with the stock cooler and yes, it ramps up and down. I think it stays near 45-50°C idle and in the mid 60s under load, nothing crazy. The new AM5 processors will instead clock right up to their thermal limit.

[@torukmahtomahto409]

any ryzen can be easy undervolted, low temps and power, permanent boost, no performance lost

[@fatherof4kids]

I don't water cool my gaming computers I build because of so many people having leaking issues. With proper fan placement and an extra large CPU cooler air cooling works great. Both of my sons high end gaming PC's run in the mid 70's during heavy gaming.

[@Heretic44]

I bought a high end pre built gaming pc 3 years ago and sadly it only included a 120mm water cooler for the cpu needless to say it would overheat and turn itself off. Because I was new to pcs again (after a break away from having one at all) I didn’t realise it was massively undercooked. Funny thing is I put a desktop fan on top blowing air in and I was playing 4k @ 60fps 😂😂. Recently upgraded to an arctic 360mm AIO water cooler and it’s great.

[@jamesm568]

Air cooling is always more efficient than water cooling. There are exceptions though. There's nothing a 3000 RPM fan can't fix either.

[@CubeComputerChannel]

Actually, water is far more efficient than air for cooling. Water is able to absorb much more thermal energy than just air alone. That's why most engines in cars are water cooled. It's also much quieter. But there are the risks of using it in a PC, and for now, I've decided that the extra cooling capacity isn't needed.

[@jamesm568]

@@CubeComputerChannel If you're using an AMD CPU none of their product lines require any type of water cooling.

[@CubeComputerChannel]

@@jamesm568 True for most of the current lineup... not exactly true for some of the older CPUs. With water cooling though, you can extract more heat, while keeping the system near silent.

[@jamesm568]

@@CubeComputerChannel can't argue with water cooling being quieter. When I'm doing nothing but watching KZbin videos or word processing on my PC I have no fans running as only the pump on the AIO is engaged for whisper quiet operation.

[@curtislaketek2952]

Why you have to always check your loop lol. Just took apart my water block the other day. The EK liquid will gunk up after awhile. I have my pump in rear of case, if it leaks doesnt hurt anything. I did cover my 4090 in coolant pulling wrong hose. Dried it out and its all good.

[@CubeComputerChannel]

Everything in this system looked really clean given the fact that 5 years ago, the Primochill coolant in here grew algae. The antifreeze mixture that went in afterwards following cleaning everything out, worked well.

[@curtislaketek2952]

@CubeComputerChannel yea just takes some extra love and care lol. With how much better AIO is getting. I may switch to it overtime. I like having a custom loop, but yea, it can be a PIA sometimes. I want to go with a micro build with newer intel with my 4090 lol. However getting that to fit will be hard

[@Dman216]

you can also use a higher TDP stock hs on a lower TDP cpu and thats a cheap upgrade

[@alanparker3624]

Looks good, one more year of windows 10 support unless you buy the extension. You mentioned am5, windows 11? Build an AI pc ?

[@CubeComputerChannel]

The MidTower Deluxe already has Windows 11 on it lol. I'm definitely not interested in anything AI on my PC

[@itstheweirdguy]

I think you just need to upgrade the CPU. I went from a R5 3600 to a R7 5700X (not the 3d), and it was huge. It would blow your mind going from a 1700x to something better....you might stop saying elite class so much 🤪 Maybe a 5700x3d, they're cheap! Just get a new cpu and a thermalright cooler. I've installed the bigger one the peerless assassin, but I have the smaller fan (assassin king) on my 5700x, and it was a huge upgrade from my amd wraith prism cooler, it fixed the fan going up and down all the time. After seeing the reviews for the intel core ultra, and the amd 9000 series that came out...AM4 is looking better than ever.

[@CubeComputerChannel]

I have the 5600G APU in the PortaCube system at work and very well may consider swapping a new CPU into the MidTower Deluxe

[@alanparker3624]

​@@CubeComputerChannelmake sure the motherboard supports newer cpu's, you might have to update the bios so it can take a 3rd gen ryzen.

[@CubeComputerChannel]

@@alanparker3624 It does, and may or may not need a BIOS flash depending on what version I currently have on it.

[@betag24cn]

why is so noisy, lol