10 Times A Wrestler Exercised Creative Control

From Brock Lesnar refusing a WWE match with Bray Wyatt to Shawn Michaels refusing to drop the WWF title to Vader, these are 10 Times A Wrestler Exercised Creative Control
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[@whitemamba24xe98]

“That’s not gonna work for me brother” -Hulk Hogan before he uses his creative control

[@smoothinvestigator]

Hogan used creative control more than the leg drop.

[@iamjeffreyalansmith]

Can you imagine Lesnar spending weeks being afraid of Bray Wyatt's control over the lights and fog in arenas? Neither did Lesnar.

[@Biffo316]

He didn't do it with the Undertaker so imagine him shitting his pants over Wyatt? Yeah, me neither

[@yomamma359]

Exactly

[@theharv1490]

Bobby being scared of those things you mentioned makes no sense either

[@terrancecarmichael619]

To be fair, Bobby being scared would make no sense either and he wasn’t showing fear but they just went ahead and did it anyway I guess because Lesnar had the control to decline.

[@LuciferLonseraph]

I mean, I also don't blame Brock for not wanting to do a program with Bray in 2023. It's not like Bray was a big deal by Wrestlemania - his push was completely derailed and dead after the LA Knight debacle.

[@azrael_ao1]

Knowing that Shawn Michaels used his creative control to switch his series with Vader to one SummerSlam match in which he won, kind of makes Hulk Hogan's actions against him in the summer of 2005 seem like karma rather than Hulk Hogan being Hulk Hogan 🤣

[@darkcloud4905]

Maybe both? Lol

[@templeos2954]

Everyone sides with Vader, but forgets that he was needlessly stiff and apparently he never washed his ring gear so it stank

[@davidyoung6649]

I fully agree. Hogan did to Shawn, what HBK did to Vader. I couldn't care less if Vader was stiff or stinky. The man deserved the WWF championship.

[@adamburetta547]

If only hulk Hogan screwed Shawn outta a title

[@joemomma3208]

Hulk Hogan should fill this list up easily!

[@jacobwalker-rk5ne]

😂

[@DanielSmith-zv9yc]

😂😂how true is that

[@DragonHeart613]

Pachita can't do a single list without bashing Hogan one way or another. I get he's not a fan & I get that Hogan has done some truly dick moves but it's annoying to hear Pachita taking shots at Hogan during every single list that Hogan is mentioned even when said lists are about the positives of Hogan.

[@Joe90h]

Word is he was meant to be every entry in this list but he said "That doesnt work for me, brother" and only decided to be the top entry.

[@DanielSmith-zv9yc]

@@DragonHeart613 bro you can’t even spell his name 😂. He’s not taking shots just telling it how it was. Shawn is just as bad on these lists😂. There is good reasons for this

[@jeremywilliams5141]

Honorable mentions: 1. Kevin Nash ending Goldberg's undefeated streak at Starcade 1998. 2. Triple H winning over Booker T at WrestleMania XIX. 3. Brock Lesnar refusing to use Dean Ambrose's ideas for their WrestleMania 32 match. 4. Goldberg winning the Universal title from The Fiend at Super Showdown 2020.

[@TheForeverRanger]

What's crazy about number 3 is that Mox would later state that he told Brock he could do whatever he wanted to him and Brock said nope.

[@mbulelozondani9152]

​@@TheForeverRangerBrock is aa better wrestler and seller than Dean. Just that Brock pick and chooses who he's willing to go the extra mile for. And if he likes you, he'll make you a star

[@zachwhitlow4]

I don't think any of these qualify as creative control as much creative influence. Nash wasn't on the booking committee at the time so he didn't book himself breaking the streak. And Lesnar still went over Dean, he just didn't want to do any ridiculous stunts that would damage his credibility. The other 2 was the company making the decision, not the 2 individuals involved

[@lj-jf2xt]

Chances are dean Ambrose wanted to get busted open and bleed all over the ring 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jamiegirard5688]

The Montreal Screwjob was #3 on the list brah titled “Anyone but Shawn.” 👀

[@MazeDaGr8]

Creative control is the purest example of why you DON'T give active wrestlers positions of power

[@patrickdepew4976]

The Elite are proving that now.

[@NC-ck5oj]

It depends. Id certainly give someone like MJF a lot of creative control. Its not necessarily a bad thing

[@MrBda241]

@@NC-ck5oj That's a massive risk, doesn't matter who, all it takes is one bad decision to ruin something. The second you give someone else that much power, you already lost yours.

[@crisvanfan]

The bloodline and the tribal chief is a prime example of why you DO

[@KiddsWorldEntertainment]

@@crisvanfan What's position does Roman hold backstage?

[@oliverl.5834]

So, what you're saying is, that Hogan pulling out of a Match Series with Michaels was nothing else but Karma.

[@andrewsd.r.7180]

Pretty much, yeah

[@SirDankleberry]

Yeah but we all suffered for it. We could've had a good feud but Hogan turned it into a wet fart.

[@user-kq7rf6uq4m]

Yes, and Michaels making a joke of the match was Hogan getting his just deserts. A classic legend vs icon feud would’ve been better, but if any two people were to hurt each other with creative control and immaturity there’s nobody better in pro wrestling history than those two.

[@davidyoung6649]

​@@SirDankleberry Hogan didn't make it a wet fart. Shawn did with his immature actions.

[@SirDankleberry]

@@davidyoung6649 Hogan was the one that said "That doesn't work for me brother" on the three matches. Thus he turned it into a wet fart. Shawn was the only entertaining thing about that match.

[@bigpasty1582]

It's no longer called "creative control" it's called "pulling a Hogan" 😂jk

[@user-kq7rf6uq4m]

“Pulling a Hogan” sounds like something you’d hear about on his next sex tape.

[@bigpasty1582]

@@user-kq7rf6uq4m 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mayson9817]

Not wrong though lmao

[@michaelsinger4638]

HBK winning the belt from Bulldog after Davey Boy had dedicated the match to his cancer-battling sister was one of the biggest d*** moves Shawn ever pulled.

[@dennett316]

Yeah. I'd be curious what current day Shawn thinks about something so obviously dickish? Like, does he look back at that and feel shame, or is it just "BORN AGAIN", bam, gone and forgiven?

[@IsaiahJohnsoncocoinc]

That wasn’t Shawn’s call. That was Vince. He wanted to keep Shawn a Heel. Seeing as though Survivor Series was coming. He had already signed Bret to the 20 year deal. But couldn’t keep his end. So he was going to put the world title on Shawn because Bret was leaving.

[@andu1854]

Karma bit him In the ass in the 98 Royal Rumble main event in form Of a bad back injury that put him on the shelf for four years

[@miguelmacias4296]

⁠​⁠@@dennett316from a Christian standpoint it’s deep deep shame over sin then but the blood of Christ takes what we deserve on the cross. we are born again in Christ and live for him. Shawn most likely despises Shawn more than anyone else and knows he can only enter heaven if he puts faith in Christ because he “like all of us for different sins” deserve hell.

[@randomguy8893]

​@@miguelmacias4296What a load of childish bs lol

[@tyleking5339]

Hulk could fill this list up by himself 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@jannix5383]

Can you Name at least five cases?

[@stevegallo8483]

They clearly forgot about Hogan using his "that doesn't work for me, brother" card in his match with Randy Orton when Orton was in full legend killer mode. Hogan had no need to win that match, but he wouldn't put over Orton.

[@SirRavixofFourhorn]

@jannix5383 Bro you could name 25 cases lol

[@user-kq7rf6uq4m]

@@jannix5383it depends, do we get to time travel or not?

[@jannix5383]

@@SirRavixofFourhorn all Right please do so and Name 25 cases

[@MetalED]

Jarrett was on the Stone Cold Broken Skull Sessions and they go into this and both dismiss this story as fantasy and the actual story being blown way out of proportion.

[@user-kq7rf6uq4m]

Based on what I’ve heard from actual interviews with them wasn’t this originally supposed to kickstart a feud between the two of them?

[@SLURM187]

“Not gonna work for me brother” could have been the entire list.

[@frylock97]

What still gets me about the Screwjob is that Bret has said, even then, that he would have been happy to drop the title to anyone else. You could have had Mankind, Owen, or Mantar as a go between and he probably would have done the job.

[@alexanderivascu5261]

I'm wondering why they never considered undertaker. He feuded with both that year and would have done business

[@frylock97]

@@alexanderivascu5261 exactly, and Bret wouldn't have had a problem dropping it to taker. And then imagine the heat (literally) of the hell in cell match at the Rumble being for the title

[@alexanderivascu5261]

@@frylock97 thing is I feel he would have dropped it whenever Vince wanted him to to appease Shawn.

[@cax1175]

The fans were there to see Shawn and Bret

[@frylock97]

@@cax1175 And a hometown Canadian crowd wouldn't have shown up to see something like Bret vs. Owen, or Bret vs. Taker. At this point in history, they would have filled the building to watch Bret fight a broom, which he probably would have rather done then wrestle Shawn.

[@Work_husband_energy]

I agree with warrior. Who you are backstage doesn’t reflect who you are in the ring. Turning him heel would’ve been flat out annoying like when Goldberg and Sting turned heel. That’s like hogan turning heel but still being hulkamania

[@joekoe97]

Yeah. Warrior as heel wouldn't work. He was too good as a babyface tweener type. Fans were too into his good guy maniac character

[@maxxxxx6511]

Love the videos, especially the top 10 lists. Keep up the good work guys:)

[@mikea1785]

Honestly, I think it was worse in 93 when he got the title off yokozuna at wrestlemania 9 and he was supposed to drop the belt to Bret later on

[@SuperFlyCarp]

“This one is just a policeman” 😂

[@suneater98]

Sean trying to out politic Hulk Is irony lol

[@champthy]

Kevin Nash said it best. “Never give creative control to talent.”

[@joshuacoleman8000]

Hasn't Nash used his creative control before? Because if so, he's a hypocrite.

[@Sunprism]

How many McMahons does it take to screw in a lightbulb? NONE! THE LIGHTBULB SCREWED THE LIGHTBULB!

[@zanethind]

Honourable mention: Triple H, that man buried everyone in the 2000s

[@stevegallo8483]

This list could be all Shawn Michaels and/or Hulk Hogan

[@thenewnostalgia]

Why did "It's (not) Vader Time" make me lol?

[@joekoe97]

Warrior's crash the plane promo was supposed to be the beginning of him slowly turning heel, but as the feud developed, they decided to keep both as baby faces, which was unheard of at the time, reason for thinking to turn warrior heel.

[@charleswhit150]

2:04 one of my favorite boy meets world episodes

[@docthemetalfreak]

so Creative Control just wasnt a tag team name for the Harris brothers in WCW? well how do you like that?

[@MrUnderhillVT]

Wait, is that a picture of Vader & Shawn Michaels meeting the actors for Corey & Shawn from Boy Meets World? ... Awesome! 😂

[@Rob_Thorsman]

Vader was on the show. I don't know why Shawn was there unless Vader invited them to a WWF event and that's where the picture was taken.

[@dylanogg347]

Creative Control? "It's Hogan! It's Hogan! Hogan! Hogan! Hogan! Hogan! Hogan!"

[@andrearambaldi5306]

That's not gonna work for me, BROTHER!

[@M-7412]

I assume there's going to be a follow-up video of 10 times Hulk Hogan exercised creative control?

[@ProWrestlingClips1]

*GREAT VID*

[@jmp591]

Last time Vader was takin serious as a main eventer in WWE, he went on to win the triple crown in AJPW. Also not to nitpick but there is a differance between creative control in a contract and using pull u got from being a top guy or world champ to get your way. Both usually have the same conclusion but when its not written into a contract it really just comes down to the owner or booker not being willing to put down his foot and tell them to go out and do what there told. Ex. Shawn Michaels never had creative control in his contract. Hulk Hogan did in WCW but as far as i know didnt in WWE

[@BballAllStar33]

What was the nixed triple threat match at WM15? Never heard of this before

[@nixda9326]

Im surprised that Triple H isnt here. Didnt he also use often his influence that he got when he became Part of the McMahon Family to change many Match Results in his favor?

[@NukeIt2Bdone]

At 20 seconds in you should’ve added Chris Candido and Bam Bam Bigelow to the collage with PCO and Shane Douglas

[@TheRealAhoy]

Lol man, did you not see a year ago how Austin and Jarrett were pissing themselves on the WWE network at how the internet thought there was heat between them?

[@Kwert]

Bret's gone on record many times to say it didn't matter to him if he lost in Canada. It mattered to him that he lost to Shawn Michaels in Canada (and in general), because of one specific conversation they had. Bret said to Shawn that no matter their personal beef, in the ring Shawn would be safe with him, Bret wouldn't take liberties and he would be happy to put him over. Shawn responded by saying "Thank you for the sentiment, but I will never do the same for you." If not for that conversation, Bret would have dropped the belt to Michaels in Montreal without batting an eye and even after that conversation he would have dropped the belt to anyone else at that event.

[@KiddsWorldEntertainment]

Also Bret said that if he had to drop it to Shawn he'd do it the following night on RAW

[@diobrando1501]

not me just realizing they set up the floor for Summerslam '92 like the Union Jack

[@jknight1984]

7:32 A Wild Slapnuts Appears.

[@sgt_chugganuggz]

Love this reference

[@truebacklashprowrestling5582]

01:32 - HBK squashed a three match series with Vader 10:52 - Hulk Hogan squashed a three match series with HBK I know Shawn was a different man at this point, but what goes around comes around sometimes.

[@gregwelsh2985]

If you ask Hulk Hogan, his creative control clause was something he's, "never exercised, ever." It's almost admirable how someone can lie with such minimum effort. Then the realization of how sad it is sets in.

[@WWChampion16]

Ric didn't have a problem with him being the father of Lacey Evans' baby. 😆

[@m.ta.r.6443]

....... No he did..

[@devileezy]

Can t wait in a few years time we'll get to know all the aew stuff, with the elite, mox, jericho, punk

[@conedx]

I really want someone to write a TELL ALL book about the first years of AEW. I figure Jericho will eventually do it, and I'll definitely read it, but I want a book with no agenda or bias. Just everything that actually happened backstage. So bad!

[@patrickdepew4976]

​@@conedxJericho would be the most unreliable of narrators for that story.

[@davidparkes7741]

I can see Cody writing it.

[@conedx]

@@patrickdepew4976 100% would. I enjoyed his other books (when he was talking about wrasslin and not his desperate need to pretend he's a rock star) but I wouldn't count on him to tell the real story of anything that happened backstage at AEW. just given his history of writing books I'm pretty much positive he's gonna write one more about his AEW career.

[@brucelucasjr5856]

Why do I hear "That doesn't work for The Hulkster brother" in the back of my mind before this video even starts?

[@neilboughton2794]

As much as Shawn Michaels was a dick in the 90's, it's so good to see how different he is now as a Christian. He's a completely different bloke, as many wrestlers have commented about

[@Deeky76]

Get stuffed, You telling everyone that because he's turned to the good book it redeems him for all he's done in the past???,... STFU AND RELIGION

[@Rob_Thorsman]

Ah, classic Shawn Michaels!

[@StylesNation717]

Wait Shawn stopped a program from going 3 matches to one and ended at SummerSlam Then Hogan did it back to him years later Ig what goes around really does come back around

[@yadielenielbellecolon982]

Thank For The Top 10 Video 🙊🤯😃😍👍🥰💐🌟🥇🏆

[@zanethind]

Bobby Lashley and Bray Wyatt were supposed to have a match at Mania 39 but that didn't happen either for some reason

[@philcherry6124]

I was at one night only, I got slammed in the head with an old lady’s handbag for cheering for Shawn… heh

[@KenRising1996]

OUCH

[@genesis4322]

Hulk Hogan and early Shawn Micheals should be at least half this list.

[@lovelywaz]

Now do 10,000 times Hulk Hogan exercised creative control, Brother! 😎😎😎😎

[@RegularGuy1998]

10,000 things that didn't work for him brother

[@lewis_g]

This could be just be pure hogan and Michaels

[@dylanogg347]

Jericho not only won, but did so after Goldberg called his mother an "Asshole". Despite Booker T's disbelief.

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

People still believe in the Nexus Conspiracy Theory? 😂 According to Jericho's third book, he said that Vince McMahon was the one who booked Nexus to lose. All him, Edge & Cena were discussing was HOW the Nexus would lose. Which is where Cena came up with that type of finish. I know people think that Cena has a Hogan contract but only Hulk Hogan has that kind of clause. If you are looking for someone to blame then call Vince McMahon.

[@MazeDaGr8]

Exactly, Cena may have made a bad call with that ending but Vince is still the one who made the decisions

[@CosmiinBtn]

Everybody saying how Cena buried a lot of young guys. But let's be honest, except Wade Barrett every single one was not good enough to be a main eventer.

[@michaelsinger4638]

Cena killed Wade’s ME push after this by not only beating him one on one, but literally burying him under a pile of chairs.

[@TheRealAhoy]

Yeah, the match decision was already made, Edge and Jericho thought thought Cena could have chosen a way to do it that made them look better, Cena had creative control over the last sequence of spots, which is pretty much par for the course.

[@roonkolos]

Shawn and Hulk could easily be their own lists with some honorable entries to spare

[@michaelspikes1506]

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[@tinotica]

Also… -Brock changing the format of WM32 -The Shield refusing to lose to Cena -Austin not wanting to drop his title to HHH at Summerslam 99

[@thed.m.a.c4604]

Next videos 10 times Hulk Hogan exercised creative control 10 times Johh Cena exercised creative control 10 times HHH exercised creative control 10 times Shawn Michaels exercised creative control

[@lexduncan5456]

Kinda ironic that Shawn canceled a 3 match series with Vader and many years later, Hogan did the same to him

[@BmanTheChamp]

Gonna guess this list includes: Hulk Hogan, HBK, Lesnar, Cena, Reigns, and Nash.

[@skylarabsher73]

on the Broken skull sessions jeff jarrett and stone cold sit down and talk, they've never had any bad blood, so I'm not sure where that comes from

[@jannix5383]

Even though i Love him, Kevin Nash is missed on this List! When he has bragging rights he did some absurd Things in WCW

[@stevenpagnani7005]

Surprised hogan wasn't on this list more than once. He could be on this list by himself

[@ShiningJudgment666]

He could've filled a whole list on his own. The sole entry on this one is kind of poetic and hilarious in a way.

[@stevenpagnani7005]

I agree. He could be on this list by himself. ​@@ShiningJudgment666

[@Mr.WolfStrike]

4:03 am i the only one who sees James Storm in WCW?!

[@purplemonkydishwasher]

When everyone has creative control, NO ONE has creative control

[@hakimabu8120]

It's amazing with all the Big Names list out, Hunter hasn't been mentioned. And Rocky never used any creative control hasn't he?

[@andu1854]

Probably, but I have also seen Rocky job a ton and have no problems, also the Rock was not in the fed for a long time

[@sthbmc5963]

Most I’ve heard about Rock was him openly complaining backstage (and in promo) about working with Billy Gunn.

[@KiddsWorldEntertainment]

@@sthbmc5963 Which is not true btw, Rock and Billy got along just fine

[@sthbmc5963]

@@KiddsWorldEntertainment Prichard confirmed the backstage complaints and the promo was on television. To clarify; It was more Rock frustrated about his placement on the card than a personal beef with Gunn.

[@KiddsWorldEntertainment]

@@sthbmc5963 That makes sense

[@99somerville]

The marks would tell you only Hogan exercised creative control.

[@wesleyvancauwenbergh5226]

This could also be an entire multiple hour video with only Hogan as the subject

[@kurtpaulsen6579]

While it was done respectfully to all parties, I always think of Mick Foley telling Vince that if he had to work with Marc Mero at WrestleMania 13, he.would rather not be on the show...

[@siddharthsen7035]

Bag my groceries, brother!

[@cartyrdeyager3283]

Oooo a Hulk Hogan list

[@brainchild8626]

So.. No one's gonna acknowledge HBK shakin hands wit Ben Savage and Rider Strong (Corey and Shawn from Boy Meets World) at 2:05?..

[@KiddsWorldEntertainment]

Austin refusing a match with Hogan at Mania x8

[@patrickdepew4976]

I guess the biggest difference between Hogan and Michaels is that Hogan's actions generally had negative long-term effects while Michaels' somehow didn't. Kinda bizarre.

[@erickennedy3322]

Ask Douglas, Candino,Bulldog, Bret Hart, Biglow, and Vander. They all disagree with your option.

[@zionkraze9965]

Shawn Michaels sent Davey Boy to his death.

[@erickennedy3322]

@@zionkraze9965 Damm how , he that.

[@ericseitzler81]

Naw Hogan's actions ruined careers but Shawn's actions cost lives.bret wouldn't have gotten hurt, Davey wouldn't have gotten hurt,you could make a list of how Shawn being a prick lead to some truly terrible stuff.

[@patrickdepew4976]

@@erickennedy3322 I should have specified that comment as "for the promotions."

[@gohan1094]

I remember hearing how Cena basically killed Kenny Dykstra's chances of succeeding in WWE

[@roostermcscratch9060]

“Ten times Hulk Hogan” should be the name of the list.

[@user-kq7rf6uq4m]

There could be an entire series with that name and each video could have a different theme or subject. I wonder how many videos you could make out of it?

[@raichu180]

How about when Hulk Hogan changed the finish of the WCW world war 3 match, like the wcw royal rumble, during the match! OSW have a pretty good video on it.

[@Bucky-hendersen-troutguy]

I know its just me but in all honesty ive never been a HBK fan, i admit he was amazing in ring but i could never see him as a badass or a tough guy...in my opinion bret hart blows hbk away

[@dennett316]

That shit he pulled against Vader really bugged me, just kicking him in the head and berating him when he was down selling. Really wish Vader had just gotten up and beat the shit out of him, but Vader was a pro, and it'd have cost him his job. Shawn is lucky he wasn't facing someone who didn't give a shit.

[@Bucky-hendersen-troutguy]

@@dennett316 i fully agree and couldnt of said it any better, he was just a dick point blank,

[@user-kq7rf6uq4m]

@@dennett316exact feelings I have about HBK and Vader. I wouldn’t have wanted Vader to risk his job, but it also would’ve been amazing to see him separate HBK’s jaw from his face and send him out on a stretcher.

[@dokkwalk]

I just realized that Shawn was wearing fucking motocross boots when he kicked vader in the head. Those boots are not made light AT ALL 😅

[@Rysofly]

Worl creative choices made by Hulk Hogan could be this list.

[@lizardman7364]

tough luck, slap nuts

[@mspacely6521]

The British bulldog is going to win whether he wants to or not!!

[@dmolesevich]

That Goldberg Da Jew sign 😂

[@big_tea1983]

"King worm himself"?? Was the script written by Bubba the Love Sponge's wife?

[@ocsjc13]

Jericho holding Goldberg in a headlock doesn’t mean he won it just means he’s a wimp and afraid to throw punches

[@beamonpbl2766]

What? Fighting is fighting. What your describing is boxing. Why hurt my hands hitting a skull when I can put you to sleep? Ain't no rules

[@Meatman8089]

10 times it didn't work for him... brother.

[@gordonjamescowiest]

Is Eric Bischoff forgetting how WCW hired Ultimate Warrior just so he could lose to Hogan? You're trying to tell me that Hogan didn't pull creative control over that? Pull the other one Bischoff!

[@Work_husband_energy]

Don’t forget Austin wouldn’t drop the belt to HHH in 99

[@maximillionzen]

@8:29 ...Bret's stubbornness??? Rewind to WM12 and watch Shawn tell Bret to "get the fuck out of the ring" when he was about to raise Shawn's hand in victory...

[@TheHoldenmcgroin]

Hmmm, a video with 10 entries from Hulk Hogan?...

[@derrickhaggard]

Hulk Hogan in a nutshell

[@nept1974]

It's comical. You lot think that Bray is actually something important 😂

[@crisvanfan]

Roman also nixed a fiend fued. Twice...

[@thomastwohig2516]

So basically Michaels got what he deserved with Hogan using creative control..The one you should of used was the following year when Hulk wouldn't put Orton over when he was in full legend killer mode

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Michael's and Hogan's Summerslam match probably wouldn't have been as entertaining to be fair. Also, Randy Orton was being punished for his backstage antics otherwise he likely would've won that year. It wouldn't have been a remotely clean win which is pretty much the only way Hulk Hogan ever lost a match.

[@GMak220]

Without watching, are 9 of these Hogan?

[@giovahnnigucci409]

Hulk hogan should’ve had all 10 slots

[@shaigy24]

One you hear how Adam drags outs his last word in sentence it's a hard listen sorry 😂😂

[@deathmauler181]

The reason brock Lesnar didn't want to work with Lesnar is that Bray can't wrestle and the spoopy shit with bray is a joke. Omos can't wrestle but atleast no spooky shit and he's a big boy.

[@jordanmccallum8132]

The first Bray Wyatt Character was money they fucked it up. The Fiend had its moments. but at the point it was presented cant blame Lesnar for not wanting the program.