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[@translatorjoe]

One thing that stands out to me in the contrast between Sobel and Winters is that Sobel generally doesn’t know the names of the men under his command whereas Winters knows the men under his command from their voice alone.

[@romainamrhein9409]

WINTERS is a Real Leader Sobel is probably a good instructor I really like those guys Thanks and respect Romain from France

[@ReedyJRsup]

Sobel was there to TRAIN them for survival and always being alert without necessities, (however he was shit at tactics). . Winters was there to be the true leader that the men could trust IN combat, whilst always remembering the training that Sobel taught them.

[@matthewriley7826]

Except malarkey then again it’s hard to forget a name like private bullshit.

[@benjaminlundback8394]

@@ReedyJRsup well, the plan was for Sobel to lead them into combat. Their plan wasn't "Sobel trains you, Winters leads you".

[@Alvan81]

@@ReedyJRsup $5 says Winters could also have trained them!

[@batman30351]

"who is this? christenson!" "i prefer.... magneto."

[@kdawg9477]

Oh man, i didn't know it was thid actor. No wonder i see some similarity

[@kimmg3991]

why comments 'magneto' are so much in this video? can anybody explain plz?

[@TsaiSigh]

김민규 same actor played magneto in X man

[@kimmg3991]

@@TsaiSigh thx bro.

[@adamantiumrage]

God damn I've watched this series who knows how many times, even when it first came out and never knew that was Michael "The Fass" Fassbender lmao! 😂

[@ColoursCapello]

When I first saw Ross from Friends I was like ... Nah. David Schwimmer blew it out the park with his performance and became Sobel. He was flawless in this series.

[@76JStucki]

Yup. By the time he's out, you really hate him. When he reappears toward the end and Winters sticks it to him, you wanna pump your fist in the air. When an actor can make you hate him, that's a good actor right there.

[@kbanghart]

@Jonathan T. Brown Yes but I think also winters was not one to make the point that he was deserving of more accolades than anyone else, even sobel

[@joyl7842]

indeed! He never once reminded me of Ross. He was the hated Sobel all the way. A fine actor!

[@kbanghart]

@@joyl7842 agree 💯

[@taroman7100]

@@joyl7842 He reminded me of Ross at times. When he raises his voice I certainly saw the gang.

[@merrid.4550]

This scene was mentioned in the book⬇️ As training continued throughout 1942, Sobel never tired of pushing the men to the brink of exhaustion, running them over the obstacle course and taking them on nine-mile runs with full packs, rifles and machine guns. Sobel’s favorite exercise was the Friday-night thirty-five-mile nonstop hike with full gear. He would order canteens to be filled with water at the start of the hike, and expected them to still be full when they got back. Harsh punishment awaited any man who sneaked a sip. “We were miserable, exhausted, and thought that if we did not get a drink of water we were certain to collapse,” Pvt. Burton “Pat” Christenson recalled. At the end of a march Sobel would check each man’s canteen to see that it was still full. Winters grew disgusted with Sobel’s increasingly harsh treatment of the men. Walking the ranks during inspection, Sobel would bark out, “dirty stacking swivel,” “dirty gun sight” or “dirty ears,” and dock the men leave time. Sometimes the punishments were just, sometimes they were not and other times they were sheer fantasy. It didn’t matter to Sobel, but it did to Winters, who was often ordered to come up with a list of infractions, real or imagined. Sobel’s habit of canceling leaves as punishment was not a hardship for the socially reserved Winters. While many of the men crossed the street to the Wagon Wheel or walked a short distance down the highway to the Hi-Dee-Ho to tip a few beers, Winters was just as happy remaining on the base.When he did go into Toccoa, it was often to attend church, where he was usually invited for dinner at the Sunday School superintendent’s home. Winters did take a short leave to meet his mother who, in what Winters felt was probably the biggest single adventure of her life, came to visit her son at camp.

[@junkim2789]

Jesus Christ the training was insane really. 35 miles of fully armored walk, without drinking water? That's just pure insanity. plus, 9 miles fully armored run? I used to do 3 miles on my duty, and that alone was insanely hard.

[@JohnnyCasey]

@@junkim2789 By the gods, there's a south korean on the loose. You make your country proud, soldier. Hats off to you.

[@thomasprice7893]

@@JohnnyCasey Lmfao "There's a south korean on the loose" "Son what the hell are you doin' in these here yoo-toob comments. Shouldn't you be down in the fighting pits drinking blood and beating yourself into leather for the day them fuckin' commies come over the 38th? Why I ought to take your name and the name of your commanding Warlord!"

[@brians9508]

@@JohnnyCasey why did you put the big space in between the two sentences? why do you force us to click on "read more"???? soooo mean

[@ironcito1101]

Seriously, 35 miles? That's like 10 hours of brisk walking non-stop. Does it really say 35 miles?

[@Killzoneguy117]

I always like how despite sharing the feelings of his subordinates, Winters never engages in their complaints. He doesn't malign his subordinates or his superiors to the troops under his command because he knows that would be unprofessional, and counterproductive to troop morale. But at the same time, he doesn't punish them for expressing their thoughts. He hears what they have to say so he can deal with it in a professional manner. And more than that, not only does he neither confirm nor deny Randallman's complaints, he instead responds with a joke to lighten the mood of E-Company.

[@42Siren]

Mark of a leader

[@madeinengland1296]

Really? It explains why the army was so ineffective. He should have supported the troops and had Sobel court martialed

[@nofun594]

@@madeinengland1296 Court Martialed for what exactly?

[@Kontorotsui]

@@madeinengland1296 court martialed for training hard? LOL

[@Killzoneguy117]

@@madeinengland1296 what exactly for? Sobel may have been a dick but his harsh training was hardly criminal. Many officers would have agreed that it was necessary to make the Paras into the special forces they were meant to be.

[@blitzblutz]

I got to meet David Schwimmer at a film festival and I told him that he was great in Band of Brothers. He really appreciated the compliment and I wish that I had more to say to carry on the conversation.

[@bigbowlowrong4694]

You should have told him he pivoted well from comedy to drama but that’s okay

[@bradleydavies4781]

This is Easy company.

[@vonn4017]

oh course he apricated the compliment. he gets them so rarely. he sucked on friends. there's no way on gods green earth that Rachel would have anything to do that wuss

[@stevekaczynski3793]

@@vonn4017 I think he was good in both shows. I don't think Ross was all that different from Sobel. Try to imagine Ross as an officer in a wartime situation rather than 1990s New York and he would be somewhat like Sobel.

[@sayanickolay4261]

@@vonn4017 His character was written that way and he played it so well, it's not his fault that his character was written insecure, jealous, possessive sometimes and dorky, and Rachel was no angel either so get your Friends information straight folk

[@TheOlesarge]

Sobel would have been fragged in the Nam.

[@columnedfox5508]

if he was in combat with those men, there's either 2 things that would happen, either he got his men killed because he yells hiosilver all the time, or a plot twist, his men killing him and putting it onto the germans

[@outdoorlife5396]

I agree, A lot of these guys are not seeing what I see. You lead by example. You do not met your platoon at the end of a road march you are with them. Lead by example.

[@W.Stryker]

Outdoor life well he did get a Bronze Star American Campaign Medal European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal World War II Victory Medal

[@outdoorlife5396]

2 of the three you get for just showing up. I don't know about the BS. Sobel should have went on the march with them, then when on the remarch with the trooper. Set the example. He should have also not manufactured infractions to discipline. It just makes problems.

[@kbanghart]

Still, he was what they needed at that time. They needed to come together even if it was against him.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

More sinister for me than the water issue is Sobel expecting Winters to find "infractions" among the men, not necessarily real ones - probably he fears Winters is too popular and wants him to put pressure on the men and lose popularity as a result. This, and all the other chickenshit, made Sobel into a potential target of fragging if he commanded troops in battle.

[@mattcarner2713]

Instead it sparked a mutiny on the night before Easy Company dropped. all the NCO's refused to drop with Captain Sobel in command. He was reassigned, most of the mutineers lost their stripes, but they were needed too much to be shot.

[@ratdown5]

He would’ve been fragged, no doubt about it.

[@dilloncoop2500]

Its similar to how Roman armies "disciplined" their military if im not mistaken. If they came back with failure theyd be separated into groups of 4-6 men and each group would need to pick someone to beat to death. The idea was too never fuck up or "not give them an excuse" to be disciplined. Fear basically.

[@RainbowManification]

in times of war supply lines may be cut and you need to conserve essential materials all you can such as water. It was believed you could build the body’s resistance to thirst by withholding water and was a genuine training tactic. Studies have shown the body doesn’t build a resistance to thirst and you only damage it by inducing dehydration, so the practice was stopped.

[@mathieugervais501]

@@dilloncoop2500 Decimation its was 1 men out of 10 wouId be kiIIed kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXfQZJWZbsykj6c

[@mad7206]

how long would a company commander last these days if he told them not to stay hydrated on a march

[@mad7206]

John Michael Kane you missed the point of my comment. A modern army understands the need for hydration. This is why they don't do this sort of shit anymore

[@Sanedmex1]

Sobel was preparing them for war. He knew that there would be times where soldiers would need to walk long distances without water. It was an extreme training that actually helped Easy in in the long term!

[@Restrepo117]

Lol didn’t see him do those 12 miles and not drink any water....what a leader!

[@Luffy3713]

He was training them to conserve water and endure, they were deployed in Europe so there was no shortage of water. However, had the war with Japan didnt end too soon, Easy would have faced dire consequences as many others did in the pacific.

[@Lupinthe3rd.]

@@Luffy3713 also don't forget fighting in North Africa did not end till 1943 so fighting in the desert was a possibility so lack of hydration was a possibility.

[@blueskadoo1402]

Poor dude, carrying 1/2 of a two man weapon (30lbs unloaded if I recall correctly) and got busted for hydrating.

[@MNM-lq9te]

And then have to repeat the 12 miles just after finishing the 12 miles so in total he had to walk 24 miles, rest in peace that man's shoulders and feet

[@Predator42ID]

@showlegacy619 True but sobel didn't have to pack a 30lb browning plus ammo and everything else. When fully geared up that guy is packing 20+ more pounds then everyone else. Today you would be screwed if you didn't drink water.

[@someperson8151]

@@Predator42ID it was at night, and seeing the breath in the night; it seemed like a cool night. Perfect time for conditioning the men to help with water discipline. If it were in the middle of the day, hot and humid, then that's another matter.

[@davem5333]

Wonder what the repercussions would have been if a soldier fell out from dehydration and needed hospitalization. Would Sobel be accountable?

[@someperson8151]

@@davem5333 doubtful. Different times. They'll just say the soldier was weak or couldn't hack it.

[@palbaselim]

The fact they are "easy " company is the most ironic thing

[@palbaselim]

@@skippa7324 😁i got that,but don't tell me the ironie is lost to you.imagine the commander of dog company being a massive cat lover😂the company who has a commander with a reputation for putting his soldiers trough hell training is nicknamed "easy" company.........."easy"😂

[@palbaselim]

@@skippa7324 i got 69 likes😂.....i saw that just now.

[@oz_jones]

"Fight hard, rest easy"

[@andrewvelonis5940]

Notice that, did you.

[@jillvalentinefan77]

@@skippa7324 Phonetic military language was not developed to the point it is now. Instead of Delta it's Dog, instead of Echo it's Easy. It's Baker instead of Bravo.

[@sempermilites87]

"Hey!.....What are you doing!?!?" "I'm thirsty." *Takes a long drink until his canteen is empty* "They're going to kick your ass for that and the whole rest of us!" "No they won't." *Puts the canteen back down by his belt* "Why not?" *Proceeds to piss into his canteen* Past problems require modern day solutions

[@d-logan5280]

That ... would probably have worked.

[@VolcanicAkuma555]

Smell *could* have given it away...but hell, it's better than anything I've come up with.

[@CertifiedForkLiftOperator69420]

actually saw this happen lol. like pointed out.. almost got away with it. wasnt for strong urine smell. which one of the assistance Instructors smelled. since they didnt know who it was. told us to stick our tongues inside the hole. well when dude refused to do so. find out fairly quickly.

[@quinnoconnor2605]

@@CertifiedForkLiftOperator69420 ain’t like it’s getting washed anytime soon either

[@robynharris7179]

Drinking from and replenishing Sobel’s canteen would be the preferred choice.

[@regibson23]

David Schwimmer had great physicality in this role. The way he points where he wants Winters. Earlier in the episode the way he tossed the can of peaches and then pointed at a foot locker. And tossing the knife to stick in the ground at the very beginning. Just very smooth.

[@BadMoonRising92]

Crazy how back then ordering a soldier to not drink water was acceptable. Now a days if a commander ordered a soldier, let alone a whole company to not drink water during a 12 mile ruck, he’d be relieved before the day was over

[@rjhyden]

You must not have played high school football in small town Texas in the 60s......no water until after practice. I don't care how hot it got. I do not remember anyone getting heat stroke. I think it made us mentally tough. But GD , it was hard.They drink all they want now....

[@BadMoonRising92]

@@rjhyden I did play in small town Texas. Since flag all the way to highschool, as well as baseball just not in the 60s. Just throwing my personal experience of my current 10 years in the Army out there. Now a days in the Army it’s so stressed to drink water, even if we’re just sitting around doing nothing. That’s why I said no commander now a days would do what Sobel did. Unless they flat out didn’t care about their career. It serves no purpose to have someone dehydrated or passing out. You get no real training from that. Especially if you lose a man from that, now you’re down a guy.

[@rjhyden]

@@BadMoonRising92 I hear ya!

[@Willppyro]

@@BadMoonRising92 yea when I went to boot camp every night the DIs made you chug a canteen of water before you go to sleep. Like everyone stands on a line in front of the bunk beds and you have to chug the canteen and flip it over after to prove you drank it lol. They realized that drinking water actually allows you to train harder for a longer period of time. You can’t train yourself to not drink water you will always be just as thirsty

[@drmodestoesq]

"The floggings will continue until morale improves."

[@joshv9139]

Ross screaming at magneto

[@valerivalirian4320]

He's been at the mercy of men "just following orders". Never again!

[@XDNEB]

😂😂😂😂

[@The-Cole-Train]

Holy shit I didn’t even recognize him.

[@reginaphalange3740]

He’s going Red Ross! 😂

[@Cukito4]

Different characters, you must be confused.

[@23pawlik]

Sobel: 'This is EASY company' Me: This looks pretty difficult company to me

[@MHLegacy]

Yes indeed, the irony wasn't lost on anyone. Maybe that was a small part of why they all became so tough, an "Easy won't be Easy" mentality. From Sobel being so hard on them to their own efforts to be an effective combat unit, I bet nearly all of them had that thought cross their minds and it contributed, (even if just as a very minor motivation amongst many larger ones) to them being such an excellent unit.

[@leroysmith3479]

Oh I do remember standing in the desert in the summer of 1990 getting screamed at to hydrate until you "pee white!" Glad Sobel wasn't there he would have us peeing blood.

[@garyparker2494]

It wasn't the desert for me. Fort Benning,Ga. 1983. Standing at parade rest for 3 hours.

[@G4x5da]

There was a different training doctrine in the 40’s

[@BradMason2014]

Oh hell yes. Countless bottles of water to finish on command in Iraq. I remember those days VERY well. Now I bitch at my son to hydrate while working outside and tell him about the good old days, LOL.

[@danscott3880]

Fuck I was 19 kilo. We were told to drink. But the tank was 120 degrees inside. To this day. I loathe warm water. Desert shit storm 1991 hooahh

[@JnEricsonx]

@@danscott3880 Half my water bottle is always ice. BY the time I drink the first half, the second half has somewhat melted down by cooling the first.

[@mortenpoulsen1496]

S(ch)wimmer played the a-hole officer like a pro..great acting. Could have been Red Ross's great uncle.😁

[@Deflector316]

Schwimmer*

[@mortenpoulsen1496]

@@Deflector316 absolutely. My spelling error.

[@bryanm5233]

He is a great actor. He played a great role in Uprising.

[@WillyWeiss-HH]

@Doug Ohaver And what are you?

[@schpaff]

People that have no lives.

[@tafsterj7555]

Schwimmer, if he didn't, should have won an award for his portrayal of Sobel. Brilliant!!

[@nighthawkdutchchameleon9815]

That response from winters was brilliant. Making him pay and put him on his place in a funny way

[@mountainadventures7346]

You can only beat the mule for so long before it kicks you square in the teeth.

[@AceDelta101]

At the end of the day if the mule does not complete the task, there is no mule.

[@AnikaJarlsdottr]

or the gut

[@jhopkins213]

Which is why later in the series E Company's NCO's said either he goes, or we go.

[@nikosgreek352]

Sobel: Incompetence leads to insecurity. Insecurity leads to excessive force against his men. Excessive force leads to being hated. Being hated leads to more insecurity. A vicious circle. Very difficult to break. It could be broken if one asked for assistance but insecurity prevents this. Underneath all incompetent, cruel officers lurks insecurity.

[@lalamclala5553]

The us armed forces commended him and put him in charge of training regiments. The us army and marines adopted his training tactics and techniques. Winters and easy company gave sobel credit for their endurance, success and survival, despite hating him. He served the usa honorably. He died alone. Winters was a tough man with greater charisma. Winters stated himself, he was incapable of training men that lacked discipline. He refused to train people. Sobel took pride in making the men disciplined. Sobel retired a lieutenant colonel while Winters retired a major below him. There is a difference in how things, places and people work.

[@peterlohnes1]

@@lalamclala5553 Yes both of you are correct. I have met many people great at what they do, but horrible with people...and as a result harassed and bullied. It is unfortunate but if you don't "play well with others", you will always be hated no matter how good you are. Sobel paid the ultimate price: he attempted suicide...and failed...and spent 20 years in a VA hospital, divorced, and he died alone.

[@MHLegacy]

Don't forget fear and anger! Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to... suffering. Sobel just mistakenly thought those things also led to many abilities that some would consider...unnatural..

[@nikosgreek352]

@@MHLegacy That..... is the best comment ive read in the last month.

[@MHLegacy]

@@nikosgreek352 you're welcome. 👍 (And also, thank you for the compliment).

[@Roguewolf1290]

He said this is not "dog company" well dog company had spiers so.....

[@athanakop7775]

Only

[@FallouFitness_NattyEdition]

Spiers was a freaking beast

[@JeepersCreepers12]

Spiers was a madman at the wheel

[@TheTantanski]

A true badass both by actions and rumors.!!!

[@redmisttriggered4183]

i mean he's not wrong LOL

[@thesecatsarecrazy567]

We had a Captain like this when I was in Germany in 85, the more he was passed over for Major the worse he got.

[@richardhall9815]

"This is not Dog Company; this is not Fox Company; this is Easy Company!" Hell of a misnomer.

[@gr0bbelaar]

Always thought he said "This is not FUCKS company"

[@Agent1W]

1:30 "David" doesn't need water, except for certain android functions.

[@dakkuri1]

I didn't know that micheal fassbender.

[@kbanghart]

@@dakkuri1 Well now you do

[@smpgeek]

Sobel doesn’t talk directly to his men, he talks to them via Winters.

[@CertifiedForkLiftOperator69420]

thats how chain of command works. lol Company command speaks to platoon command in which then be passed down to squad leads and fire teams. same system used today in modern military basic training. your instructor will bark an order, then your platoon lead will give the command. then so on.

[@smpgeek]

@@CertifiedForkLiftOperator69420 Winters talked directly to his men when he was company CO.

[@dustindubbo2892]

No he talked to them via winters because he didn’t like how liked winters was, and he thought if it was winters technically giving out all the orders they would dislike him as well.

[@mav40420]

Once he said "who is this" he showed that he didn't care bout his men at all.

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

The US army ever cared for their meatshields? Look at the vets.

[@TheNerve20]

I get that but he’s a company commander ,he has 4 platforms at least ,do you know how hard it is to remember every single one

[@astrosherlock374]

@@TheNerve20 If he was a battalion level commander that excuse would have worked but all company commanders I've come under remember the names of their men so far, granted the company is usually smaller than the normal size of infantry companies but it still says a lot.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

@@TheNerve20 Winters recognised the voice of one of the men in the company on the march. Sobel would not have done. He doesn't care about them.

[@Kevin_Kennelly]

All credit to David Schwimmer. He brought Sobel to life.

[@royalbenson1832]

He absolutely crushed that role.

[@kelvyquayo]

Man you can really feel that “Yes, sir”. Great delivery.

[@madcapmagician3130]

Oh Magneto, how dare you be thirsty! Your metal bending powers won't help you now.....Sobel has you!

[@corlabz]

Lol...I just knew he was...I didn't know though...

[@mcoleman6834]

Sobel was a genius in training, but totally lost in combat command. He had no idea how lucky he was to be relieved of Easy Company before they hit Normandy.

[@fw1421]

M Coleman Sobel was a bully getting even with every guy that abused him along the way in his young life. He only thought about himself and his advancement among the ranks. I’m not a huge fan of David Schwimmer but he was brilliant in this role. Nobody likes playing someone so hated.

[@mcoleman6834]

@@fw1421 it was good to see David Schwimmer far outside of "Friends". He was truly convincing as Captain Sobel. As for the backstory, I am betting that those men being trained to do the job didn't care. Sobel's superiors cared only about the results. It was a simpler time.

[@steverogers7601]

He wasn’t ‘’genius’’ at all. He was simply just hard and had incredibly high standards when he created an incredibly difficult training regiment that in turn, produced quality soldiers. That’s not genius to understand the premise that training is meant to be difficult and that you do indeed have to be disciplined and mentally tough to push through hard training, and if you do, you will be rewarded with good results from that hard training. Calling him ‘’genius’’ also ignores how Sobal wasn’t even that concerned for the men and didn’t even care about their success; he just cared about producing results to look good in front of his command.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

I would dispute that he was even a genius in training. He gets his unit lost. Inflicting chickenshit on his men does not make him a genius.

[@roberthaworth8991]

@@stevekaczynski3793 He was a "book" leader, not one by instinct. He lost sight of the mission by preparing the men but sacrificing the effectiveness of his leadership.

[@mattpope1746]

David Schwimmer does an amazing job as Sobel and actually looks a lot like the real man. Was Sobel a good leader? Some argue that his harsh training style made Easy Co. perform well but I believe it had more to do with having other leaders like Winters and Lipton in their ranks. I have worked with and for guys like Sobel and without a reasonable and fair buffer who the troops truly believe cares about them to hold things together, morale and cohesion splinters. The men of Easy Company did not respect Sobel and that was evident in the way they pranked him and later his NCO’s refused to follow him into combat. By contrast, they would have done anything for guys like Winters and Lipton.

[@Kncperseus]

Sobel was a good trainer. He drilled in the basics of military lifestyle and discipline with unmatched efficiency. But he isn't meant to be a leader in a field of battle. Just like how a kindergarten teacher isn't supposed to be a Fortune 500 CEO

[@someperson8151]

@@Kncperseus Winters and the other NCOs were the real trainers.

[@oz_jones]

In the book, many men of Easy credit Sobel's training for how well they did in Europe. That doesn't mean that Sobel wasn't petty, insecure and vindictive and an absolute danger if he dropped with the men.

[@tokyworld]

From what I can infer of his "real life epilogue" is that Sobel was indeed a miserable man. He died alone, estranged of his wife and children. He tried to commit suicide by shooting on his temple and survived the rest of his life blind. Died of malnutrition in a VA hospital. No one likes to speak ill of the dead. But if that isnt testament of his personality I dont know what is. He probably had a personality disorder. Whether if was Bipolar or Borderline, and the war probably didnt do any favors.

[@hendrixman1996]

A nuance I like about Sobel's character is that even though his trainings are clearly brutal, they make sense. You can absolutely expect your men to be low on water and not be able to drink in the field. You can expect that sunday dinner gets interrupted by shelling and they have to run. While his interpersonal and tactical skills were obviously lacking, he clearly knew how to prepre his men for battle.

[@matthewtopete1678]

I mean I would have slammed some water if I had to carry the machine gun lol

[@griz312]

Underrated Critic I’m pretty sure today hydration is a big thing even then. But keep in mind this is extreme level training preparing them for war that doesn’t care if your hydrated or not.

[@letsgoooobrandon]

it was dumb, but in ww2, you had to be prepared to move and deal with low or no rations.

[@Rabhadh]

@@underratedcritic1983 They're paratroopers, water discipline was practiced because at the end of a march they may have to fight cut off from support and supplies for days

[@Rabhadh]

@Nytrekkor yes we are, the last 3 decades has seen major deployments in mainly arid locations, so the thinking changed to "just don't of heat stroke boys", now I think only the rangers practice water discipline.

[@alcatraz4168]

at 1:48, you'll see he is carrying another gun on his left side. Thats 2 guns. Crazy.

[@DeltaSierra181]

"My canteen has a pinhole leak in it Sir!"

[@stevem7192]

"My canteen and I were on a break, sir!"

[@felixamador6465]

You weekend off is Revoked.

[@brycecolwell4304]

One of thee if not THE best mini series ever produced. Not ONE episode was bad.

[@josezurita3742]

Most, if not all, soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division hated Lt. Herbert M. Sobel during and after training at Toccoa Camp, but I'm sure 30 or 40 years later, some survivors reflected and thought "Shit! If Herbert Sobel wouldn´t have been so hard with us, I would not be watching my grandchildren growing!" Curahee!!!! Greetings from Venezuela.

[@emperorconstantine1.361]

No wonder winters demanded a trial by Court Marshal later in this series, then the look on Sobel’s face... Boom!! 😈😈😈

[@mapletree4283]

You misspelled court martial like captain sobel, irregardlessly

[@mapletree4283]

@lurocp8 irregardless is not really a word

[@mapletree4283]

@lurocp8 no; Idon"t!

[@liamweaver2944]

Private Emperor Constantine 1., you misspelled “Martial “ in “Court Martial”, pass revoked.

[@liamweaver2944]

Private Maple Tree, irregardless is a real word, pass revoked.

[@michaelmelocoton8197]

These series was the best line up of actors and actress.the way they portrait there character is very good

[@mnfrench7603]

Sobel is the guy you want to train your troops. Winters is the guy you want commanding those troops in battle.

[@earlloder8180]

You've never been in the military obviously

[@roberthaworth8991]

Sobel's behavior inspired cynicism in the men and turned their thoughts to revenge against him, instead of the mission and getting better at their jobs. He failed to inspire the sense of self-motivation that makes both the individual and the unit he's a part of superior. He had no feel for people, esp. our people. The Revolutionary War volunteer general Baron von Steuben, who trained Washington's troops at Valley Forge, famously said, "When I order a Prussian soldier to do something, he does it. But for the American it is necessary to explain WHY we need it done."

[@maximusjackassicus3042]

Sobel would have been a tragic "victim" of friendly fire had he been deployed to combat.

[@robertmorris8997]

So how was he awarded a Bronze Star if he wasn't assigned to combat?

[@maximusjackassicus3042]

@@robertmorris8997 I don't know the conditions around his bronze star. There's not much information, from what I can tell he parachuted into Normandy not in command of anything but as an administrative officer of some kind assigned to a headquarters unit. So he probably earned his broze star then.

[@leebh8607]

He stopped the Germans from stealing a crate of peaches and lectured them about US Army property.

[@illegitimatefilm]

You should have put the first quotation mark in front of the word tragic.

[@shaneanderson1036]

it’s the sign of true gift in an actor when the character is genuinely hated and despised by all . especially when this person in life is the complete opposite

[@robertj.przybylski3866]

What I've heard mentioned more than once is that Sobel's impersonal, relentless, and ridiculously high standards of perfection greatly helped Easy Co's preparation for what they would face against the Germans. Combat is tough, horrible, and unforgiving. Sobel was exactly that. Although his leadership was apparantly lacking, his preparation of the company paid dividends in the long run.

[@CloneJFK]

But Sobel didn't push his men in training because he wanted them to survive the Germans. He did all this petty nonsense because he was an asshole.

[@EtzEchad]

Sobel was a great training officer. He was instrumental in making Easy company what they became.

[@brennanlatham9188]

David Messer not really. He facilitated training, yes, but he was breaking his men for the sake of his own insecurity. There was a good period of time between when he was outed and when the invasion occurred. Enough that the only benefit of the physical training they performed was only effective enough to provide them with mental toughness (which any self respecting paratrooper should have already possessed). He punished people for no reason, which doesn’t really do anything but encourage poor behavior (because if you punish everyone for no reason anyway, why do the right thing that’s harder). Having soldiers perform twelve mile ruck marches in full kit and ordering them not to drink doesn’t really condition their bodies to operate on low water, it really just raises the chances of a heat injury through dehydration. A good training commander is understood as good, but he was not helping them at all. Overuse and overtraining are real things and he was hurting them far more than helping with the extra punitive training. I guess you could say he was instrumental in the fact that he united easy co in their hatred of him, but that’s not very smart because he fully expected to bring them into combat with him. He’s not exactly supposed to be their friend, but if he’s doing his job right, there should be a mutual respect amongst them. He shattered that with the extreme punitive measures such as making a soldier repeat a twelve mile road march immediately upon completion because he drank half a canteen of water. That’s twenty four miles. That distance, when your training, is enough for a whole week.

[@phillipedward6348]

Latham’s spot on. Had I a CO act that way towards me I would’ve popped him as soon as things got hairy. Fortunate for me all of mine were like Lt Winters

[@robot-he6nq]

Brennan Latham Even according to his own men, Sobel’s rigorous training, for self gain or not, shaped Easy Company to a higher standard than the other companies.

[@jackfanning7952]

Bullshit.

[@nolancruzsmith]

Honestly I agree

[@tomservo5347]

The way he points to Winters to stand in his slick leather jacket....such a martinet.

[@MarcoBoneMan]

I’ll say it on every damn video, Schwimmer is just incredible in this mini-series.

[@mt23289]

David schwimmer plays an amazing part in band of brothers

[@venividivici4253]

I’ve heard many accounts of veterans who encountered a Sobel personality. My father told me a story about it when the war changed my grandfathers way of life and thinking. He eventually ran away and never came back home. 3 years ago my father and grandpa reunited after many years lost. Grandma broke up with my grandfather because she couldn’t deal with it. I visit her from time to time and she has stories of her own. Grandpa won’t talk about it but he is a changed man now.

[@lestermount3287]

We had a battery commander with Sobel's personality and he did not last long, you can't make enemies of the troops in combat.

[@justaddressmeasking6625]

Man didn't show any fear, face-to-face with Magneto.... Legend.

[@KM-us1nc]

Been watching clips for 30 minutes or so. Gonna have spaghetti. Not gonna run Curahee.

[@athangghag9276]

But Sobel really made Easy Company the finest in the regiment. Without him they wouldn't have been that good.

[@jerryu8166]

But it's always better for soliders to be led by respect instead of fear, they were led by fear to the point almost turned into muiltney. For example, the NCO refuse to perform continually as staff sergeant in Easy

[@JeremyCuddles]

He didn't make them the finest regiment, although him going hard on the group in training did help. Winters' took their hard work and honed it.

[@athangghag9276]

@@JeremyCuddles Winters took them to a whole new level and Sobel led the foundations for it. Sobel being relieved of the Easy Company duty was the best decision. He wasn't a leader but he was a damn good trainer.

[@athangghag9276]

@@jerryu8166 Yes ofc. Sobel wasn't a good leader or a war tactician but he was a damn good trainer. Easy company got rid of him at the right time and Winters eas ready to take over immediately.

[@Wailwulf]

@@athangghag9276 He was a horrible trainer. He took things personally and wanted results to make him look good. He wasn't wanting to make the best unit so they could survive the war and get things done, he wanted to make the best unit so he could show everyone how great he was. The entire wanting six disciplinarian actions on six men, even if it was to be made up and have no merit, is capricious and causes more damage.

[@sawyernorthrop4078]

"You're making me look bad"

[@hisdudeness8328]

We all were just wishing that Winters would have said, "You're doing that yourself."

[@kbanghart]

@@hisdudeness8328 true, of course we know that winters had too much class for that. I'm sure he was thinking it though!

[@tbeller80]

Lucius Vorenus: For that you need no help from me. Faith (Angel) - beats a man's head against a table until his jaw and neck are broken: "How do you look now?"

[@taroman7100]

@@tbeller80 yay, a Rome fan!

[@nikogolagat7315]

Never imagine that I would end up hating David Schwimmer's character. So opposite of Ross. Props on being Capt. Sobel.

[@Buzz1776]

I love old school training, no water for a 12 mile, full pack ruck is just ludicrous.

[@aihi5466]

They hated him but he did make them the best company. Winter's became a better, elite field commander, but he made them elite, prepared soilders.

[@Rasbiff]

Note how Sobel - while screaming at Christianson - diligently looks him over for any flaws in his uniform or gear that he can reprimand him for further. That's good acting and attention to detail. Not so great attention to detail is the fact that Christianson carries his MG on different shoulders in different angles.

[@rubypits2541]

Sobel in the making of heroes., Salute sir.

[@albertoribeiro8907]

Band of Brothers is one of the best TV series to learn english.

[@Spectans1]

Whoa, this is like Black Hawk Down, everybody was in it :D

[@threenumbnuts]

Veronica Mars was kind of like that too, for TV. Crazy vibes recognizing guest stars from their later series. Not so much the main cast, weirdly.

[@85chimo]

I really can’t take sobel seriously at all I think he is Ross Gellar from Friends and I end up dying of laughter 😂

[@asd75891]

85chimo I knew *Ross* from this series first,then *Friends* , so I just have opposite feelings of you 😂

[@christophermaine4085]

You didn’t pivot when moving the couch, your weekend pass is revoked

[@paulphoenix8673]

Sobel: Who's this??? 1:30 I am... MAGNETO...

[@steverogers7601]

Dumping their water after not even letting your men drink their water? Holy hell, this man would have been fucked if he was in the corps. Today’s military is not as dumb and is well aware how much better it is to have your men fully hydrated.

[@RobARug]

Captain Sobel: Christenson, why is there no water in your canteen? You drank from your canteen, didn't you? Christenson: Sir, there's a special rung in hell reserved for people who waste good water by pouring it onto the ground and, I must say, damn good stuff, Sir.

[@Jibriltz]

I read the book Band of Brothers and opinions about Sobel were a lot more mixed than the series suggests. Many of the men accepted he was a hard trainer for a reason and it's possible some of them owed their survival to him and his methods.

[@oz_jones]

Actual people are nuanced, who knew?

[@willn8664]

This is my favorite funny line from Winters. The next one would be him telling Guarnere that he's not a Quaker.

[@JD-qo7hm]

Sobel died alone. Not even his family attended his funeral. Sobel was the perfect example to who not to be.

[@mdd1963]

If he was as petty as this show implies, that is no surprise...

[@GaunterODimm2]

Yes, the actors starred in other things, we get it.

[@XaviRonaldo0]

My thoughts exactly

[@werewoofer7447]

david schwimmer one of the greatest actors ever.

[@Duskets]

“This is not Dog Company.” “Right, their CO is competent.” “What?” “What?”

[@RobARug]

Christenson: This what we’re going to do, Sir. I'm going to count to three and I'm going to move the canteen…

[@Chazzy-iq4om]

Who is this? Christianson!!! "You can just call me frankenstein's monster.

[@icheko2498]

To sobels credit. The soldiers later said that his rigorous trainer paid off. He was a good drill Sargent just not a good military leader.

[@icheko2498]

@Mikey L that's what I meant.

[@hisdudeness8328]

Here’s the thing. If Sobel had done the march with his men, and then with the incident with Christianson, Sobel had said that THEY (meaning him and Sobel) would be doing the march all over again, that would have earned Sobel the dignity and respect of his men. Instead he had them doing late night marches in full gear while he sat his ass nice and comfy in his office, which only served to separate the men under his command from him.

[@davidbridgeman5828]

If Sobel would have been in command of Easy Company in Europe it would have changed everything.

[@mrdeathclaw66]

Damn it, Stelios, Didn't you learn from King of Sparta, Leonidas himself, not to drink water from your canteen during march?

[@taroman7100]

yay, Go Spartans

[@leonmeekel5486]

1:22 my bird when i step up to his cage

[@StudioMod]

lmao wtf haha

[@edsherrod5216]

Sobel is a real piece of work....

[@Jungleland33]

If you can hate an actor it means they're acting really well.

[@dun0790]

David did a great job of playing him in my opinion from what ive read of sobel

[@Kruppt808]

Find the most annoying actor this side of Seth Green and make his men hate him. Check and double check, oh he kind of looks like the real person, score.

[@kbanghart]

He's a really good actor, not annoying

[@lewiscarter1229]

I don’t think he’s annoying at all.

[@Kruppt808]

Exactly, he has fooled me into thinking he is that.like Kathy Bates in Misery😂 Shows how good actors/actresses they are. 👍

[@davewilliams9948]

Shwimmer really nailed that role. I hate that guy and I wasn’t even there.

[@dararohan1209]

Sobel: Bullies his troops in order to the gain respect. Winters: inspires his men in order to gain respect.

[@carlosfilipecodinha]

Ok! Devil’s advocate.... Sobel was quite difficult, but he did prepare those men to combat.

[@Cooz.]

Carlos Filipe that’s why they all refused to go to combat underneath his command...

[@jackfanning7952]

I agree with one of the things you said. You are the Devil's advocate.

[@kbanghart]

Pretty sure they never invited him to any reunions either, too bad, although can't really blame them.

[@astrase2]

I tend to think that Sobel's discipline, combined with Winters' down to earth attitude and better military skills were what made Easy company what it was. OK sometimes Sobel was way over the top but that was how he was.

[@tbeller80]

@@kbanghart they invited him to every single one of them. Guarnere even paid his dues for him for several years. The war made him so bitter he wanted nothing to do with the company.

[@adamfaturrachman8957]

you ever felt unlucky...?, on of the E Company soldier must walk 12 miles in the night, twice, with the second walk was done all by himself.

[@remingtonlanenga2524]

You can say what you want about Sobel. He shaped those men to be the toughest and deadliest soldiers on the planet.

[@joto4294]

Rubbish! The physically fittest undoubtably. A mere PE instructor. Then you have to train your men to kill, with guns, knives, teeth, whatever. Then performance under battlefield conditions and basic tactics. The US citizen army were not lambs led to the slaughter like the Brits.

[@kikobaloney7374]

Man this show is so good.

[@1950sbaker]

Before becoming magneto, he was one of the allies fighting the Germans

[@Cukito4]

It's a different movie. You must be confused.

[@1950sbaker]

@@Cukito4 I'm not confused. It's supposed to be a joke

[@naokiota9973]

Careful sobel, thats magneto

[@Cukito4]

Different movie. You must be confused.

[@gman52712]

TLDR: 'Why does being in the military suck?' 'Because you're in the military.' 'Oh.'

[@dickburt69]

It’s ironic how nowadays the Army is all about hydration, hydration, hydration. Lol

[@ShadowMoon878]

Because dehydration is a soldier's worst enemy. That's what my Company CO always said when we were literally forced to drink water until we got sick. Sobel did not realise that. He thinks he can toughen his unit by dehydrating them which is stupid.

[@dickburt69]

@@ShadowMoon878 It is absolutely stupid back then but it was a different era. Within my first week in Basic Training at Fort Leonardwood in 2009, we we're all lined up in the barracks doing 'water drills' and puking all down the floors. Good times lol.

[@JnEricsonx]

WHen did that finally become a thing?

[@dickburt69]

@@JnEricsonx Probably starting from the Vietnam era.

[@firebrand07]

Ahhh the good old days of developing toughness by going without water.

[@user-hx7yi6wx5k]

firebrand07 which was stupid as fuck

[@kbanghart]

Yup, without water I would have quit. Better men than me would have made it, but I'd be like nope. I can march, run up the stupid hill, camp and survive with hardly anything, but without water? Lol

[@repo7191]

@@kbanghart pussy

[@dustindubbo2892]

Stupidest thing is that guy was carrying half a heavy weapons set, if anyone is gonna need water it’s gonna be that guy.

[@firebrand07]

For real. Dehydration is an enemy to combat readiness.

[@D2attemp]

Yes Michael Fassbender played Christensen. Funny thing, Christensen was quoted quite a bit in the book that Band of Brothers was based on but got pushed to being a minor character in the series. And he’s played by Michael Fassbender who goes on to being the most famous actor in this series.

[@Jeremylovy]

Tom Hardy would like a word

[@williamphillip9749]

Anyone who has ever worked for the railroad can relate to this!

[@carlpatterson1521]

I've been working on the railroad all my live long days!

[@dperry19661]

If the dudes making you run in full gear every Friday. Then gag down as much water as you can all day Friday, Drink until you are pissing clear. Then drink even more. Along with really over-salting your lunch and dinner. Just prep yourself for the run

[@Grahf0]

Well, there is another 3 or so hours of Christiansen's life gone.

[@mdd1963]

I doubt he is walking 12 miles toting the Browning machine gun and his backpack while averaging 4 mph.....

[@Kelly14UK]

Can someone please take the time to praise Schwimmer's brilliant acting in Band of Brothers and in Apt Pupil ( Stephen King film with Ian McKellan)

[@craemac]

Sobel says Easy is “My Company”… but doesn’t March the 12 miles with them… I would argue he was not the Company Commander and Winters already was….

[@fleshesposito]

Not letting guys drink from their canteens is top level bullshit. I remember this still happened in 2006 when I was in the Finnish military service. It was during basic training and oh boy was it a hot day. Drink I did.