PILOTS RUN OUT OF FUEL MID FLIGHT | Avianca Airlines Flight 52 | Mayday: Air Disaster

[@CuriousScienceandEngineering]

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[@robertgary3561]

By international treaty there are magic words in aviation to avoid confusion. “Emergency” is a magic keyword with atc in every country. As pilots these are taught us as phraseology. There is no casual conversation.

[@sbolden123]

International flights have priority. However, there should have been cancellations upfront and diversions

[@John-ww3ji]

The Pilot in Command is always responsible for his ship or aircraft. He is the final player of the safety net. Air traffic Controllers workload dramatically increased due to the deteriorating weather conditions. There is an Emergency phase that the Flight crew need to declare to become a priority flight. 1.May day or Pan Pan Pan.

[@yoseph3727]

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[@tangojuli209]

Commenters: this took place in 1990. 32 yrs ago. Before windshear weather radar, this was back in rubicks cube days. Protocols have changed since you learned to soar, so give that a thought b4 commenting.

[@markmeeck7372]

The pilots must declare emergency in these situations...

[@tangojuli209]

Now. That is the term of art used Now. Perhaps it was less formalized at the time.

[@seb1554]

@@tangojuli209Mayday or pan pan was 100% used back then. There is no excuse

[@QuantumS1ngularity]

This is just ridiculous... "Yo dawg, you know those air traffic controllers, who have the most responsible and stressful job in the world... Let's test how much we can stress them before something goes wrong". Honestly, i respect the pilots, the flight attendants and all the rest of the people involved in making flying possible, but the flight control operators... those are some next level human beings. I have nerves of steel, but i won't take that job no matter how much they pay me. Idk what they feed those guys, but this is as nerve wrecking as it can get. I'd rather have a full match against a professional MMA fighter, then sit in this chair for an hour, let alone whole shift.

[@electricturtle3326]

35:03 that scene gave me chills

[@alberickmendes6472]

Crap 💩 job and attitude from NY controllers as usual. Should had been prosecuted.

[@eamonnmorris5331]

Which part of "Emergency" would not have been understood? How can shyness/politeness (if that's what it was) be allowed to down a passenger aircraft? This is very human, and very sad. Let's just hope that communications were sharpened up in the aftermath.

[@joinjen3854]

Length of runway and emergency services are key in picking an alternate field.

[@Comedybrand]

Come on this isn't one of the passengers flying the plane this is a trained pilot who knows what declaring an emergency means and he lied and said he did when he knows he didn't. People trying to blame the coaches on the ground for God's sake....lol

[@sbolden123]

They should have diverted to Boston 🤦‍♂️💯🙏

[@Comedybrand]

Priority = ok sir you are next in line ok? Emergency = Get the fu%k outta the way im coming NOW!!

[@rscollins4804]

Yeah, when I hear priority..I hear urgent. Do I definitely think ATC is at fault here

[@Johnny53kgb-nsa]

I don't know, in a way, it seems the blame is spread around, language barrier, shuffled between controller's, communication breakdown, hot headed pilot, that low on fuel to begin with.

[@lesley7321]

Ridiculous situation and why the help didn't at least one pilot scream EMERGENCY NO FUEL ..idiots !

[@bluecoffee8414]

This BS that "priority" is equivalent to emergency in Spanish is irrelevant. Even the Captain was yelling FOUR times to the co-pilot to clearly declare emergency and that they are running out of fuel. The captain is hearing the co-pilot talk and is clearly NOT satisfied that the co-pilot is CLEARLY declaring emergency.

[@likkerland]

That was probably not actually said on the CVR since the captain's English was poor.

[@seb1554]

Fully agree. The pilots took down that plane, the co-pilot especially. Sounds like in a weird way that he almost didn’t believe the situation they were in

[@peterolsen269]

This conversation with the lawyer and passengers is really moot. If you don't speak one word of conversational English and you fly aircraft you need to know some words that ONLY have a meaning in aviation. Declaring an emergency is one of them. PanPan and Mayday are a couple of more. Windshear, Ceiling, Runway Visual Range. There are many words that can be interpreted in many ways, but if you are pilot, you know EXACTLY what they mean even if you are a Chinese national. Once he declined to divert to Boston and now running out of fuel, everyone in the cockpit was just too scared to admit they had made a horrible error in judgement.

[@robertgary3561]

Some of this is wrong. We know the weather before we start the approach. We get updated weather from airport. Decision to divert is automatic at certain fuel level.

[@tangojuli209]

Think back to what was avail bk then.

[@njones8791]

I’m only 21 mins in but definitely pilots fault. Idk why on earth he waited until he had 5 mins left of flight, to mention the low fuel emergency. Then again didn’t bother mentioning it to the next controller. The pilot seemed to think ATF could read his mind & dashboard.

[@seb1554]

Agree. Absolutely crazy to blame ATC, I suppose have to blame the airline too for not training their pilots correctly

[@garyquinlan4075]

I live i a country where fog is about the worst a major airport can get and not that often, so I am unable to comprehend what can happen in countries with snow etc. Would it not have been possible to close all affected airports and spread incoming flights over other airports even if they were hundreds of kilometres away?

[@paulbrouyere1735]

ATC is to blame here, but also pilots not speaking English.

[@alberickmendes6472]

80% ATC fault in this case.

[@georgeikinya2779]

@@alberickmendes6472 20 % pilots for failing to explain his dire situation earlier

[@rorosnusnu2035]

@@alberickmendes6472 don't think so at all. More like 95% pilot fault.

[@tamarproft3511]

At that time when the accident occurred, was it not necessary for every commercial pilot to speak English well?

[@seb1554]

Anyone who thinks ATC is to blame are deluded. It’s the pilots job to communicate how much fuel they have left and if they need to make an Emergency landing. ATC are not mind readers

[@RaymondHaley-lv2mo]

Avianca flight 52. was running on fumes, and yet the pilots were fueling around and accomplished nothing, and that delayed sign whenever a plane crashes, fake optimism, the passengers deserve better, and so do their love 💕 ones.

[@maggiesun5423]

Sooooo stressful!! OMG the crew - I would have shouted back at those NYers that we are out of fuel!!! Also never want to fly into NY again. The chain contains too many people. The poor flight was kicked around like a football till their fuel was gone... Ughhhhhhhh

[@markmeeck7372]

Too late to realize the fuel is gone

[@samfromprague2688]

Priority among others can be after hour or year depending on situation, they are running passengers air cruft and should know talking and terms used.

[@christophermoore753]

im not sure i can totally agree with the layer blaming one group of people. especially when the weather was horrible. as they say it is a succession of mistakes cause these accidents. i certainly wouldnt want to do a controller job either very stressful/can only learn and understand errors man makes. hopefully makes it safer

[@Scottallen8909]

Yeah umm I wasn’t planning on Circling , Holding and Standing By for 7 hours !!

[@muthuicyrus]

Why did they miss the landing that forced them to go around?

[@John-ww3ji]

Synopsis Probable causes 1. Weather 2.Pilot error due to poor planning by the Flight crew 3.Pressure by Management of ATM and the Airline Management Amicable solution 1 Do not fly in bad weather conditions.

[@robertgary3561]

That’s unfortunate because the real issue is phraseology. If they’d said magic words they’d get priority “declaring minimum fuel” then eventually “declaring emergency”. Atc doesn’t work on small talk. We’re taught to use internationally approved exact phrases.

[@John-ww3ji]

@@robertgary3561 I agree. Use standard approved "Phraseology" The Root causes of most incidents and accidents is the external pressure. The pressure by Management to get the aircraft off the ground due to "Creating wealth" For all Aviators Our No. 1 priority Prevent collision Aviators. In all phases of flight. 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

[@MUFCSINCE90]

First Officer should’ve followed orders. Declare an emergency Captain 👨‍✈️ said.

[@JonBoltinghouse]

When there is an EMERGENCY the controller should never leave a CRISIS and all others should be waived off if they have plenty of fuel.

[@michelltorresgarcia6942]

I know it was a stressful situation but the pilot what’s out of control 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@Knight6831]

03:55 if only the guy who had the bad feeling knew how right he was

[@JASONCIRONE-hc9kd]

i must of been young i live in nyc i dont remember this

[@JASONCIRONE-hc9kd]

i am 36

[@amazuddin]

💔

[@seb1554]

Pilots were playing with peoples lives. The pilots were obviously good people but that is unacceptable. They had a responsibility to make sure there is enough fuel if a second attempt to land was needed

[@foodisgood9099]

WHY DIDINT THE PILOTS USE 2 ENIGENS TO SAVE 50% OF FUEL

[@Comedybrand]

Ok safeword is EMERGENCY. " PRIORITY, PRIORITY, PRIORITY. PRI... "

[@hmoobfresno5979]

The ATC is to blame

[@Comedybrand]

Pilots are def at fault. They ran the plane out of fuel! The controllers are sitting on the ground! Give me a break!!

[@Thinking.Of.Some.Handle]

ATC didn't respond back.

[@Williamb612]

if they had used premium instead of unleaded that would have made it

[@charlesallen8901]

U think someone could have a little more information on weather. Shame on them

[@foveauxbear]

This sums up the USA's attitude to EVERYTHING. It's all about making money, regardless of any cost ...

[@bluecoffee8414]

90% the flight crew's fault, but ok

[@michaelpcooksey5096]

Yup, for the survivors it is a merciful act of God. Hard to face, it is also love in action when God sees fit to harvest us. We only own our choices to follow or not follow Him and gain his approval for eternity. We are owned by our creator. No one loves us more. God bless the families who suffered loss.

[@Mike_Jones281]

So whatever God does is deemed suitable regardless of the outcome because he owns us. Therefore, we, mere property, must accept whatever he subjects us to even though we know as humans that the ownership of property does not negate our responsibility to see to its welfare, like a dog or cat, and that the ownership of humans as property is morally repugnant. By your logic, there is no reason this alleged God should expect the approval of anyone because of his or her amorrality.

[@michaelpcooksey5096]

@@Mike_Jones281 If it were not for the fact He is love itself, your observation might be true. Fact is though He wants us to exist, everything we have including free choice is a gift from Him, and since He made us for Himself it is ONLY with him that we will be happy. Our responsibility is to decide whether to love, or not. It is NOT a pleasure cruise. It is hard to say no to the demigod in the mirror. We are such a violent and selfish race, our pattern for approval is to follow His example and that annoys our pride. Bottom line though is His laws rule, just like the laws of physics he enacted. Go against them and bad things happen. The choice is yours. But try asking Him to show you who he is. He will not intrude where He is not wanted, but when asked He will not fail to answer.

[@callelindstrom4341]

What a sick and evil worldview Christianity is. Where human life is worthless and everyone is at the mercy of a sadistic bloodthirsty (literally, the whole religion is based on barbaric blood sacrifice) god.

[@michaelpcooksey5096]

@@callelindstrom4341 Wow, where did you get your data. Obviously not from any solid source.

[@callelindstrom4341]

@@michaelpcooksey5096 What was incorrect about it?

[@satarupmukherjee39]

Guys Kim Kardashian was in this flight. Fortunately she survived due to excessive botox, fillers and fire resistant silicon implants in her body.

[@garyquinlan4075]

Having viewed the whole video, how can a reasonable person, not seeking to shift blame to save their skin, conclude other than ATC should bare the largest share of the blame for the crash.