Cursed Child Discussion | HP Chats

As a sort of breakdown of the stuff I talk about in this video...
Spoiler free feelings
Snape (and his terribleness)
Missing characters
Character development & character choices
↠The trio, Draco, Cedric, McGonagall, and more
Plot
Queerbaiting
Dumbledore
Some stuff I loved a lot
Hope that kind of gives you a good guide to everything I'm going to cover in this video! I'm happy to keep discussion going down in the comments!
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[@classygigi4]

Draco and Scorpius were the only saving grace of this play.

[@marceloguzman2752]

Yes! They are my biggest OTP in the world, I love them so much!

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

I just want to be able to talk about the development that Draco got in this play for hours because it was AMAZING. And Scorpius was a little cinnamon role of joy and I adore him.

[@classygigi4]

***** Well honestly I wasn't really reading it as a friendship because it certainly wasn't written like just a friendship.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

Exactly what I was going to say! I could only read their relationship as glaringly not platonic. If we were supposed to believe it was platonic, I don't think it was written that well. But if the intention was romantic, then it was written spot on ;)

[@Iamjustherek]

Amen! I have to give the book credit, it made hanging out with the Malfoys much more appealing than the Golden Trio.

[@PumpkinMozie]

I'm so glad people in the Booktube community are speaking out about how ridiculously awful this play was and pointing out all of its gaping problems! I really hope JKR realizes that we're not interested in low-quality content like this. Me personally, I'd much rather NO content at all than stuff like this.

[@iristimpe6766]

Same!

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

I totally agree. I have felt for a while now that the wizarding world should maybe just be left alone. I adore the original seven books, but no information we have received about the story since Deathly Hallows has felt as magical as the original books! I love the characters, and I love the world, but I would be happy just seeing them left alone for a while.

[@cryingaboutbooks]

Honestly!

[@PumpkinMozie]

Exactly. None of this additional content (Pottermore, CC, FBAWTFT, etc) really seems to add anything other than overkill. I feel like it's all actually just taking away from the overall mystery, magic, and imagination of the series by inundating us with new material.

[@dust1077]

PumpkinMozie, J.K.R. didn't even write this ! This was made by 2 men. the cover says BASED on books by J.K.R. or something similar to that.

[@thegnomecleric]

I hate it. I hate it so much. Calling it the 'eighth Harry Potter' is literally an insult to the series.

[@emancoy]

I just got around Reading it, and I wish I watched the old reviews like these so I didn't waste my time.

[@asetdedieva4642]

Agree.

[@xMRxZEROx]

It's the most horrendous thing to ever be attached to anything Harry Potter. And thats including the vibrating children's broom. 😳

[@netagenis7235]

@@emancoy true. I have read it almost a year ago and i regret it so much. It's awfull. It's so bad i- i can't even. Ugh.

[@gracekelley2907]

I'm very glad that you addressed Harry's character in this book. I think that after all he's been through, living in a neglectful, abusive household for 11+ years, only to have a happy loving family afterwards, I don't see Harry saying something so awful to his child regardless of how much they argued. Nevermind that the "I wish you weren't my mom/dad/child/etc" cliche has been done a hundred thousand times, those words are horrible for a child or teenager to hear. Because it makes them feel unloved and unwanted, and thats what Harry felt as a child. And I can see Harry working as hard as possible to make sure that his kids never feel that way. You know what would have been a better conversation for that scene? If Albus had brought up how hard a time he was having at school and say something like "I bet you had it easy." only for Harry to reveal that he had it rough too. Bring up the events of The Goblet of Fire and The Order of The Phoenix, even the months he spent camping out with Hermione and Ron in search of the Horcruxes, just the stuff that shows that he didn't have it easy and Hogwarts was pretty challenging as well. That way Albus would get a very different perspective straight from his father, one that Harry may not like talking about but needs to be addressed.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

Yes!! Exactly! This sounds so much more in character for the Harry that I love. Don't get me wrong, Harry sometimes had a hard time throughout the series communicating the way I think he should have, but I think this is much more a direction he would have gone with Albus than what happened in the play itself. I think Albus and Harry could have found such unique common ground in terms of the expectations they had to live up to, even if those expectations were so drastically different. Neither of them felt they quite fit in within the world of Hogwarts (obviously in super different ways) but I think that even if Harry didn't understand Albus not feeling at home at Hogwarts, he would have at least identified with the feeling Albus has that he is set apart from everyone else.

[@nobleskywalker4639]

ProblemsofaBookNerd not only that but cedric becoming a death eater because he lost the tournament was bullshit he was a true hufflepuff and would never do that ever like EVER!!! that is another mistake

[@lisaleyendekker582]

little add on to Hermione becoming the defense against the dark arts teacher: Harry surpassed Hermione in that subject and it was one of the subjects she struggled with. I don't think she would be comfortable teaching it if she knows she didn't excel at it.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

This is another super valid point!

[@officert5147]

"I do not like snape he has no redeeming qualities" LIKED "My Harry James Potter, raised as he was, would NEVER say these things to his son" SUBBED, VOTED FOR PRESIDENT THANK YOU SO MUCH AAAAAA you've made that damnnable 30$ I spent on that book worth it for how vindicated i feel right now.

[@KadyAz17]

This is why I didn't even bother with this book. Basically sanctioned fanfic - of the worst kind. I've read better, for free online. The fact that Rowling didn't write it had me wary from the start.

[@MelHyde]

haha so true

[@owl2944]

trolls r us why are you saying "also not fond of Rowling's writing" when she wasnt talking about her writing she was talking about this fanfiction play. if you dont like harry potter why are you watching a video about it?

[@Anna-hy1eb]

what annoys me most is that the characters do stuff (like Cedric turning into a death eater over losing WHEN HE WAS PREPARED TO LET HARRY WIN) that seems totally unrealistic and I hate how Ron is so one dimensional. It feels like the movies where Hermione is the one who comforts Harry but Ron is only their for comic effect. however in the books Harry normally turns to Ron. The five minute time turner is quite confusing and I found some plot holes. However I loved Scorpius and Draco's redemption. I think it would read slightly better as a JK style novel rather than a script. A script is for the actors to use in a play and a play should be seen to be appreciated not read.

[@asetdedieva4642]

I never read a Script before. But i am 100% Sure that this one was THE Most terrible and stupid one. This Story would still BE terrible If j.k.r. wrote this herself. Bcs this Story ist bullshit. Everyone single Part of IT.

[@Lottie_44]

I do believe that Snape loved Lilly but I also think that absolutely nothing is an excuse for a teacher to bully children, me as a teacher to be find it horrible that people think that someone who did all those terrible things to kids is a hero just because he loved someones mother and after her dying decided that maybe the dark side wasn't the good side.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

I'm willing to believe that he loved her initially, but I think that over the years after she broke off her friendship with him and after her death it became less and less pure in love. I think it became obsessive love, or even love only by his own definitions. And none of those feelings ever excuse abuse, especially abuse towards children who look up to professors for guidance and protection the way many do at Hogwarts.

[@alfredoamador4171]

Scorpious and Draco were the best things that could have come out of this trash bag

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

Definitely agree

[@asetdedieva4642]

Disagree. They both we're terrible Charakters in my opinion. They were so embrassing. Their Lines we're embrassing. No Kids would Talk the was These 2 did. What i Like about Harry and Ron friendship was that they were Just how You would Imagine any Boys. Not good at talking about their Feelings, getting angry at Things Like Kids would geht , and Most important getting jealous how You would expect from Kids. Harry was gealous of Ron bcsnof His big happy Family, Ron would BE jeaoulus bcs Harry was so popular SOMETIMES, or thinking that Hermione liked Harry more bcs of His Popularity. Getting selfish sometimes, and later making Up somehow without Usingen too many wirds) Harry Potter ist magical and everyone has big problems bcs of Voldemort or deatheaters. But at THE Same time everyone has His own Personal Problems Like Love, friendship and so in

[@asetdedieva4642]

Oh, and school stuff of course) Like Tests or annoxing teachers. But this Script seemed Like ITS about 2 Boys who maybe gay but maybe Not gay. I didnt her this Shit. And inestly, i didnt really need a gay romance in Harry Potter. U can das whatever, but i feels Like ITS getting trendy to TRy Out of You are gay or Not nowadays. And rogether with this, ITS also modern being an Atheist. Not beliving in anything, where ITS alright to TRy If You are gay or lesbian. But thinking logicaly, ITS Not a voincidece that men anderes Woman wer created with all the Body parts down Theres which match rogether Like IT was a Puzzle . That a men has THE sperms, and THE Woman the ability to created a Baby from sperms. Nobody would BE alive If IT was Adam and Adam from THE start. Or Eva and Eva. These 2 bodies we're created to make Babies. So im Not accepting that being gay ist somethig good.

[@CreatingCo]

I have no idea why I clicked on this video since I knew that it would get me riled up. I absolutely HATED this play. I honestly couldn't even finish it after reading the line you mentioned with Harry telling Albus he wishes he wasn't his son. I literally put it down and had to walk away. That is NOT my Harry. That is NOT the way Harry would treat his son. At all. And NO ONE can convince me that it is. I absolutely agree that I don't think Hermione would not be minister of magic. I feel like you are the only person I've seen actually say that because everyone else just totally accepts it and it's just not her character at all. Ron was absolutely movie Ron. The entire use of the time turner smacked at the original canon and I abhored it. I 100% agree that Snape is a vile character. I'm a Slytherin and I feel like it's kind of a prerequisite to love Snape if you're a Slytherin but um no...he was obsessive and immature and emotionally abusive. Totally don't understand who raised Rose, because it wasn't Hermione and Ron. I missed a ton of the major characters and wished they had been included. Admittedly, I didn't even make it far enough to read the alternate timeline and didn't read enough spoilers or summaries to know much about them but they sound absolutely INSANE. I stopped reading right when they were in Hermione's office and getting the time turner because I thought it was absolutely absurd that Hermione would have such an easy way to get the last remaining time turner. She'd hide it. In her Gringott's vault and never speak of it. The only thing I will say is that from what I read, I could see it being an enjoyable play just because I enjoy seeing the magic come to life and it would be so cool to see that as a medium but I could never get behind the plot at all. From the summaries I read, I don't believe any of the things about Cedric that happened. Also, Delphi doesn't exist in my mind. Nope. And totally agree, what was the trolley witch?! Why?! In regards to queerbaiting--I really appreciated the part of this video and honestly it brought to light a lot for me in regards to it being used in Harry Potter. When Dumbledore was revealed to be gay, I was honestly glad that a character that, to me, wasn't sexual, was gay because it brought to light to a lot of people that hello, gay people are just out there, living their life. They don't have to be flamboyant and in your face. I can totally see everything that the whole Dumbledore/Grindewald storyline hints at. In Cursed Child, I felt like they continually set up Scorpius and Albus to be something more and then it was just taken away and that makes zero sense to me. I feel like JKR is constantly about being all inclusive, but the only canon gay character that we get is Dumbledore? An old man who has no relationships within the course of a storyline and the only relationship we think he may have had was just a one-sided infatuation with a Dark Lord? No, it just doesn't sit well with me. At all. Also, can't stand Dumbledore. I absolutely hate that he continued to preach "the greater good" after he split from siding with Grindewald. I absolutely abhor the fact that he left Harry with abusive relatives and continued to leave him with abusive relatives telling him that "it wasn't that bad." I truly believe he had enough political power to have a trial for Sirius so that Harry could live with his godfather. It breaks my heart that Harry had to go back in time and basically allow his parents to die. I didn't read that far into the play, obviously, but just seeing that on the summary I read broke my heart. It's so cruel to a boy who has already dealt with so much. And totally agree that Albus' name makes NO SENSE. And now this comment is about as long as your video. hah. Thanks for making the video! I loved hearing all of your thoughts!

[@MelHyde]

Tru

[@davidlabelle361]

Fuckin’ A, dude. Fuckin’ A....

[@D0MiN0ChAn]

@@asetdedieva4642 What's with the spelling, dude?

[@asetdedieva4642]

@@D0MiN0ChAn ugh sorry, writing too fast and the annoying auto corrector that i Cant deactivate No Matter what i TRy.

[@tomkyleviven]

im so happy that you are a part of the ron weasley defence sqad! he has always been my favorite, and I hate the way people (and this play) teated him!

[@tomkyleviven]

i agree so much with everything else too btw! especially the queer baiting! this book really just makes me want to cry, why are they trying to ruin everything good about the series?!

[@HoodoHoodlumsRevenge]

tomkyleviven Ron for life, yo. Ron is the BEST.

[@BlindTruths]

I love Ron. I am a huge Ron, Hermione fan. I hated Harry. He was absolutely my least favorite character in the whole series.

[@terrymeng6321]

@Fiery Apple. Then why are you here? And why do you hypocritically ignore the time other characters are assholes?

[@BlindTruths]

@Mauricio Ortega lol, okay, Steve.

[@avenueis1377]

The only things I liked about this book was A) Scorpius B) Draco C) Albus and Scorpius's relationship. I know it's technically queerbaiting but I still ship it and I like them a lot, even if he did "like rose", which, I have a theory, that it was only to make Albus jealous.

[@scarredxangel]

The Rose and Scorpius thing can be compared to Hermione suddenly having a giant crush on Draco after he calls her mudblood. Honestly, it made me laugh. It was so ridiculous. I refuse to accept that this story is canon, I can't. It was just so bad. Literally My Immortal with better grammar and spelling 😂 I synopsised (not word, but I'll roll woth it) it for my Husband (He doesn't read) and even he was sat confused at the end, asking how on Earth Bellatrix and Voldemort could have had a child and not to mention her husband just being perfectly okay with it. That wouldn't happen. Divorce would certainly happen and I don't agree with that final scene with Lily and James. I couldn't. I actually cried for him at that moment. It was so cruel of them to wrote that, after everything he'd been through and done, why would anyone think it was okay to make him go back and watch that? Urgh. I can't even make a coherent comment on everything I hated about this book.

[@hazzaytic7636]

BELLA AND VOLDY HAVE A CHILD? I HAVENT READ THE PIECE OF SHIT BUT WAHHHH???? omg....

[@asetdedieva4642]

@@hazzaytic7636 You DIDNT MISS ANYTHING GOOD! I WASTED FEW HOURS ON THIS SHIT. IT WAS NOT HARRY POTTER WORLD. IT was a terrible terrible Script written by, how IT seemed to me, some little kid.i could Not find THE great writing of j.k.rowling anywhere. Most terrible writing i ever read.

[@Ann86dk]

I agree with more or less everything you said. Even the positive parts. It's weird I think when I first read 'The Deathly Hallows' way back when.... Because of the way it was written with the 'plot twist' with Snape, I was totally on board with the hole Snape being a hero, but that only lasted until I reread the whole series, and I was like, in no way does that one scene forgive how he treated all students (that were not Slytherin) all those years at Hogwarts. It will basically be the same as forgiving the Dursleys for how they treated Harry all those years because of Petunia's envy. I will say though that I have a weak spot for Movie Snape, but that's only because it's Alan Rickman and his acting. Also I never understood why Harry didn't name Albus, Sirius instead. Also I forgot to mention. Voldemort having kids is just weird! I don't think he'd ever think that bringing in an heir was something he'd want. With his whole thought of being invincible and all that he wouldn't want any thread to that by bringing on an heir. And just the thought of Voldemort and Bellatrix is just icky.

[@sk70091]

I'm rereading the series right now, and Snape is downright sadistic, all but threatening to poison poor Neville's toad, etc. The movies made him far too nice.

[@jalix9574]

You know you've gone wrong when the most enjoyable part of your play are the main character's childhood bully/antagonist and his son. Also: You know you've done something wrong when your main character's childhood bully is a better father than the main character.

[@supermansweightbench]

I honestly think Alan Rickman is the reason so many people love Snape but I totally agree with how you feel about him in the book versions. Love this summary finally read it myself last week and this review helped me to get closure lol.

[@paperdollmom3611]

Interestig you bring up the abuse aspect, because I've always wondered why the Dursley's treatment towards Harry from the first book wasn't taken more seriously, and why lovers of Harry Potter books don't have more issues with it in regards to what it is teaching readers of a yoing age. That is clearly neglect and abuse on some levels, yet, Rowling never really gave them punishment or showed the readers how inappropriate they treated him to a well deserving degree, in my eyes. I have always had a problem with that, and it no doubt has impacted what I think of the series.

[@jennifercahill7397]

I figured it was because in real life, abuse is often ignored and nothing bad happens to the abusers. Coming from someone who was emotionally abused growing up.

[@paperdollmom3611]

I get that, but I feel like more people should take responsibility in changing that, and I think people that work with children deffinitely have a responsibility in that, in my opinion, which Rowling fits under.

[@skarnecanius8737]

plus its not like it was just emotional, theres an entire scene where petunia tries to hit harry in the head with a frying pan, and not a halfhearted swat, she swung hard.

[@paperdollmom3611]

Skarne Canius The fact that they made him sleep under the stairs, revealed in the very beginning, had me unsettled. I really don't like it when someone in a seat like JK Rowling is, to set standards for children to look to, send terrible messages about what is okay. I mean, Harry was sent home at the end of the school year even though everyone knew he was being abused.

[@jennifercahill7397]

I never said it was just emotional. I was just using my abuse and that my abusers never got punished was an example of it being realistic.

[@MotherBra1n]

5:42 what about sSnape saying to Hermione: "At least I'm not married to Ron" god it's so bad

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

I have never wanted to punch someone in the face more than Severus Snape. Especially at that moment.

[@justyourfriendlyneighborho8982]

It was like poorly written fanfic

[@gummichoco]

Snape and Malfoy were both terrible people in the original series, I remember an old interview where Rowling was disturbed that malfoy's character received so much love. I'm not sure how someone could hate one so much and love the other. not to mention snake's feelings were confirmed as love, the whole point of being able to produce the patronus spoke volumes and dumbledore understood that

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

Right, but I would argue that Snape is a grown adult and Draco was a child. And J.K. Rowling puts all the forgiveness on Snape, while condemning Malfoy. I'm not saying he is a perfect character, or even that he was a good person. BUT he was a child. Who was given almost no choice in his actions. He was raised in a particular mindset, he was forced to work with Voldemort or risk putting his family in danger. He had never known any other way. And in the end he couldn't kill Dumbledore, and when he was finally given a way out of the world he had been raised in, he took it. And he grew and he became a good person. Snape was also raised in a bad situation. He was not given many choices. But even with the love and care of those around him, he chose to be a part of a group whose main feature was hate. He joined a hate group, and remained a part of that group. And when he was older, and had the chance to be free of it, he also left. But he didn't leave behind his selfishness, or his hatred. He was still cruel to children, and he still only cared about a woman who had actively told him that he was no longer a part of her life. He didn't change to care about the greater good, he was still only motivated by his selfish attentions toward Lily. Maybe he felt love at one point, but his feelings towards her were obsessive and damaging. And he didn't ever leave them behind even as he grew and had the option to become a better person. Malfoy did. Which is why I think Draco is a fascinating character, and why I think Snape is a bully.

[@gummichoco]

ProblemsofaBookNerd it's not like Snape stalked her after she ended their friendship. I'm not saying he isn't selfish, like I said they were both bad, but Malfoy I believe was better off. Snape was poor, bullied and his parents did not love him. not to mention, Snape couldn't kill dumbledore either because he felt it was wrong, not because he lost his nerve in the last moment. he only agreed because it ended up being a mercy kill. just because Malfoy was a kid doesn't mean he wasn't bad at that time, and I found his explanation in this book kind of fan-servicy. Malfoy doesn't fully redeem himself until after the events of the main series. it honestly did not seem like he envied harry in that way in the books, just that he had been humiliated when harry, who he considered worse than him, rejected his "friendship", and Harry associated himself with everything Malfoy was taught to despise.

[@sk70091]

Delphi Voldemort, it makes me laugh. Yes, I understand that Draco was a child in the books. But that just explains WHY he's an asshole, it doesn't excuse him.

[@g.chatterjee2296]

@Delphi Voldemort Because Draco was a freaking CHILD who did not cause anyone's death. Snape was an adult who was directly responsible for the demise of the Potters. Have you even read the series even once? Or even seen the movies at least ? Geez

[@g.chatterjee2296]

@@gummichoco Draco was a selfish bully and probably cowardly but he was not evil and certainly not a murderer. Just compare him to Tom Riddle. He had killed at least 3 people before he came of age , tortured a kid and slaughtered a rabbit. Draco fainted when Voldemort killed the muffle studies teacher. He lowered his wand at Dumbledore. I suspect his attacks on the students in half blood prince were half hearted as well. He never wanted to kill DUMBLEDORE. He did not identify Harry at the manor and stopped Goyle from killing Harry in the room of requirement. These are not the actions of an evil person.

[@kristinam7070]

Literally a glorified fanfiction. It makes me want to vomit, so I'll just ignore it for the rest of my life, thank you very much.

[@sharpaycutie2]

🤣🤣🤣 exactly!!

[@natalieleon6057]

I think most people have such a positive view of Snape because of his portrayal in the movies. Alan Rickman made the character likeable. But of course there are plenty of people who have only watched the movies and haven't read the books, so they have only seen one portrayal of Snape.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

I totally agree with this. Alan Rickman made Snape much more sympathetic as a character. But I also think the movies left out a lot of Snape's worst offenses, and then cut some of James' redemption stuff. In general the movies just make Snape much less of a terrible person than he is in the books, so I can understand people who have only seen the movies feeling defensive about him.

[@IsThatEtchas]

Gotta love the father/son bonding when Harry and Albus watch the murders of Lily and James. 10/10.

[@Casii64]

It was a bit strange, to be honest xD But I get why it was included. It showed that everything had to happen the way it happen to get the end we all know, the death of Voldemort. Harry realised that, and so he watched it, because he had to, so he wont blame himself later.

[@misternov195]

I hate the book so much I didn't enjoy it

[@Seelenverheizer]

Dumbledor left harry in an abusive situation so he could be protected by that spell that protects minors in their homes.

[@seraphiccandy21]

He also let Harry face Quirrel...I mean come on, those tasks were all passed by 1st years...hmmmm

[@blurryeyes316]

Wow girl!! you really hate Snape!! totally understandable (Btw he is one of my favorite characters, but Alan Rickman has a lot to do with that.) Great discussion.

[@musictomusic1]

I cried when she started talking about draco. I. CRIED.

[@jennifercahill7397]

It was a 2 star read for me as well. Too many plot holes, bad characterization, unbelievable. Scorpious and Draco were the only saving grace really. Agree on most points.

[@jaimeheather]

I feel like the only way Cedric could ever POSSIBLY go dark side is if a very prominent figure on the light side (Harry, Dumbledore, etc) killed his father. And even then, I feel like it would play out similarly to Nico di Angelo's story in the PJO series (not on the light side and somewhat resenting them, but not purposefully being on the dark side)

[@sivanabanana889]

Harry would NEVER forbid his son from seeing his best friend. He knows how miserable it would have made him if that was done to him with Ron and Hermione. Imo harrys character was the worst in this book, they just ruined him.

[@EnvyNV6]

I'm very late but I'm so happy you finally posted this! I've been anticipating your opinions since you said you were going to read it. I've sworn not to read it and I'm sticking to that promise. it sounds so much like bad fanfiction I couldn't even handle it (daughter of Voldemort?? really). I'm also very very happy you hate Snape as much as I do. I cannot stand it when people say Snape deserved Lily more than James (or excuse Snape's behavior because of what James did to him). I ship James and Lily very hardcore and even if I didn't, I would still hate Snape.

[@Twigspeaker]

I got the impression that the author wrote George instead of Ron. Owning the joke shop, constantly cracking wise and attempting to insert some levity... That was actually George Weasley. I think the author couldn't care less about Ron, but really liked the twins.

[@SoGraphitesify]

When i read Harry arguing with Albus and saying "he wished he wasn't his son" i thought it was one of the best things. Why? Because anger and frustration that build up for years can really make you say shit you don't really mean. When my mom gets really angry she says that she should have adopted a dog instead of having a child; most times i scream that i want to strangle her. But we both know that it's not true, it's just that anger can really do this to people, especially if it's rooted in a relationship

[@mollybruins642]

I agree with almost everything you said, but I want to point out a few things: 1. Scorpius's jealousy over Albus's burgeoning relationship with Delphi need not necessarily be viewed as queerbaiting. It's quite common for adolescents involved in very close platonic friendships to feel jealous when their friends become romantically involved with someone new. Scorpius and Albus were one another's only allies at Hogwarts, so any external relationship might reasonably be perceived as a threat by the one not involved in the relationship, regardless of sexuality. 2. When Dumbledore said that his love was damaging, he was referring not only to his love for Grindelwald (which was damaging not because Grindelwald was male, but because Grindelwald was an evil wizard), but also to his love for his sister Ariana and for Harry himself. As the leader of the "good guys" in not one but two wizarding wars, Dumbledore was constantly involved in highly dangerous activities that inevitably posed a threat to the safety of those closest to him. Again, I don't think he was thinking of his sexuality when he made this remark. Otherwise, your analysis is spot on. This play was terrible on all counts. Perhaps it performs better on the stage. I guess I'll never know.

[@DamienJamesOFarrell]

While I agree with some of your points on the subject I feel that to an extent the writers are in a bit of a no win situation because of how so many people project onto characters in the potterverse, had Albus and Scorpious been written in a stereotypical teenage boy fashion (with the emotional range of a spoon) they would of been accused of being regressive and lazy and not actually representing a more modern balanced view of how boys can be. By trying to capture how intense friendships can be for boys of this age, especially outcasts with Daddy issues, and presenting male emotions in a very raw and honest fashion then they get accused of gaybaiting. I'd honestly like to think it was written specifically to help normalize what were perfectly normal teenage boy experiences regardless of sexual preferences, as I can assure you the majority of all males felt that terrible jealousy and heartbreak when your best friend loses interest in you for a boy or girl friend, we have just spent so long as a society shaming and mocking any boy who would own and discuss these emotions that its almost seen as cultural appropriation for straight males to have and be able to express deep emotions. I really didnt think the story on the whole was as bad as everyone made out, I just think that unconsciously so many Harry Potter fans feel like they had their happy endings taken away.

[@danedanielschaefer13]

Amen to that! I couldn't agree more with what you have said!

[@killerjdog51]

Snape wasn't a horrible character... he was actually quite good in the books. Abusive, yes. But a somewhat caring character who did help harry kill voldemort. (even if it was only through extremely little acts)

[@sk70091]

Abusive but quite good? What? Snape actually IS horrible in the books. I'm rereading them right now. He just threatened to poison poor Neville's toad.

[@emiyuu5112]

8:20 it's like Ron telling Harry in the movies that he has no family

[@zachiyenonyosef5396]

I honestly dont understand people that hate Snape.. Snape was the bravest man I have ever read about.. Everyone makes mistakes but a man that does everything he can possibly can to fix them it takes special brave heart ! He was amazing I absolutly loved him. When he appeared in the book I was like "this awful book is finally getting better.." I also liked dracos son.. And the book did have some very good parts but also alot of bad ones..

[@samahissimplistic]

As a huge Snape fan, I can actually see why people hate him. He's a terrible person. Honestly, such an atrocious person I'd probably slap if given the chance, BUT he is one HELL of a phenomenal character. Absolutely beautifully written and developed, very complex, and quite relatable. Which is why I love him so much, as a character, not as a person. XD

[@sangeetabhadauria2781]

ron gave albus a love potion. WHY. JUST WHY

[@maroona353]

I think, that some details in Cursed Child could be a lot different. 1) Even, if Albus gets sorted into Slytherin, Rose is still kind to him. (Honestly I can see Rose trying to find out why Albus was put in the Slytherin House as a subplot, with it ending after she asks his opinion on the matter) 2)While initially Rose is kinda suspicious of Scorpius, she gradually warms up to him. (At first, she is his aquaintance, rather than a friend, but she becomes more friendly to Scorpius over the course of the story. Also, she doesn't act antagonistic.) 3) So, the rumours about Scorpius being Voldemort's son spread. Actually, I see Teddy and Hugo poke fun at those rumours, which leads to them meeting Scorpius. (To contrast, I see Lily and James actually trying to disprove them using evidence.) 4) Other characters actually could get more prominent roles. 5) Albus dealing with "living his life in Harry Potter's shadow" could be the main plot. He might have resentment that the people expect him to live up to his father's legacy. So, I see Harry actively trying to encourage Albus to do things in his own way. (Why do I see Albus being a Slytherin Beater?) 6) I think, that Scorpius would become a Chaser, if he would be in his house's Quidditch team. (He could be called "Scorpion King" as a joke, because he is a good Chaser) 7) The time travel part could be avoided entirely. Just some of my ideas. I apologise, if it is out of place. If anyone has more ideas, please, feel free to comment.

[@isadoracostahamsi163]

Thanks for the Snape part. If someone sent someone to kill my husband and baby and then had the audacity to say he “loved me”.... seriously!

[@stefaniewithanf7026]

This is the very first video I've seen of yours and you address SO much that I'm passionate about (Snape not being a hero or even a good person, Ron being treated horribly in the movies and the overall crappiness of the play) that I just have to subscribe to your channel!

[@TheGrandSilence]

I know Im late to the party, but Dracos charakterdevelopment actually kicks JK in the butt, because she herself claimed he has no redeming qualitys and she just got proven wrong

[@mysticalarchives7821]

Make up your mind; you can't say that it's impossible for snape to be redeemed and then say that you are so happy that Draco gained redemption.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

They are not remotely the same situation? Snape didn't get redeemed, that's the point. He was still a bastard and a bully to children to the day he died. He was also in his thirties while he did absolutely unforgivably terrible stuff. Draco was a child raised in an abusive situation and showed clear signs of not being ok with what his family was doing in the last few books. He was redeemed. He did not grow up to bully children. That's the difference. One of them actually got redemption, Snape just remained an asshole who did a good thing one time, and still only did that one good thing for his own personal gain.

[@mysticalarchives7821]

What personal gain could he get from killing Dumbledore to make sure Draco wouldn't have to? Or making the potion that prolonged Dumbledore's life? Or turning traitor against Voldemort the moment he realized Lily was endangered? Or delivering Harry's message to the order of the Phoenix when Harry thought Sirius was in trouble? Or going back to being Voldemort's spy after the dark lord returned? Or showing dislike and disbelief at the idea of Dumbledore keeping Harry alive only to die at the right moment? Or saving Harry's life several times? And you're right, Severus Snape was different from Draco Malfoy. Snape was raised as a half-blood child to an overbearing, emotion deprived mother, bullied by Gryffindor students that were praised by everyone as being heroes just because he was in Slytherin and found study of the dark arts interesting, forced to join a gang of future deatheaters because they were the only ones that treated him with any form of acceptance, lost any chance of maintaining a relationship (romantic or otherwise) with the one true friend and love he ever had after he made one mistake in anger like many people do, lost that friend forever when they were murdered, regretted her loss and his mistakes forever and became deprived of any feeling, kept a close eye on a hogwarts professor that was trying to revive Voldemort, gave fake potion to a Ministry spy that was torturing students, tried to guide Draco to keep him from facing Voldemort's wrath, was treated as an outcast his whole life, and treated like he could never be anything other than a villain. Meanwhile, Draco was raised to be blood prejudiced and had no problem with that belief until it meant killing someone and bullied everyone because of his superiority ideals; not because he was jealous of their friendship. Additionally, Draco shows no signs of abusive parentage as we see his mother deeply cares for and loves him to the point of regretting their connection to Voldemort and his father never once talked in a manner to suggest that he ever abused him either verbally or physically and even showed that his love for Draco outweighed his loyalty to the Dark Lord. As for the bullying, yes, Snape was a jerk that was definitely guilty of favouritism; that is undeniable. he was exceedingly cruel when pointing out mistakes his students made and punished half the students for the most minor of infractions. I'm not saying he was a saint, but he also wasn't that bad a teacher either. When teaching Harry Occlumency, Snape clearly outlined what Harry needed to do and gave him the assignment to practice every night in order for him to get the skill down. Harry only fails to learn this because he refused to practice. When teaching the Defense Against the Dark Arts, his understanding and passion for learning the trade caused him to be one of the best teachers Hogwarts had in the subject as the only thing keeping Harry from admitting Snape was good at it was his personal disdain. And in terms of his potions lessons, yes he was exceedingly brutal in teaching the subject, and his favouritism caused mainly Slytherins to pass, but with the result that almost anyone who made it through his class had exceptional skills in the subject. Now yes, the result of his teaching don't justify the methods he used or the treatment he gave students; but he's still better than Umbridge. Additionally, understanding his hard life and past, it becomes easy to see that his favouritism and harsh methods are derived from the fact that only Slytherins accepted him for himself and left him bitter and disgruntled. He was harsh to Neville because he, in Snape's mind, was incompetent and needed an extra push to do a good job. However, the loss of his only love and friend left Snape without the compassion and sympathy to help Neville properly. In terms of Harry, I'll admit he's not much better. he allowed a grudge he felt for James and the Marauders to affect his treatment of Harry because Harry seemed so much like James, but if you look closely you begin to notice something. We know that Lily found James' arrogance and chauvinistic tendencies and prejudices disdainful and unattractive. It wasn't until James' began to mellow out that Lily fell in love with him. Snape knows this and was a first-hand recipient of James' flaws (James bullied and tormented Snape using the spells Snape made up for himself which I'm convinced were made to protect himself from the Marauders) and loved Lily. So doesn't it make sense that Snape would harp on Harry to ensure that Harry wasn't arrogant or a show off like his father since Snape know's Lily wouldn't stand for a son like that? Additionally, we know that several people viewed it like Harry enjoyed his celebrity status and Harry hated that people viewed it like that because he was famous because his parent's died. So doesn't it also make sense that if Snape thought this way, he would have more disdain for Harry because he'd think the kid was belittling Lily's death? It certainly makes sense since just about every instance of Snape mistreating Harry revolved around his celebrity status and the idea that Harry didn't think the rules applied to him. Again, it doesn't excuse the biased teaching and bullying, but just because someone isn't nice isn't a good reason to say they are evil or irredeemable. Now, for the big topic, it's clear that he loves Lily. A Patronus changes to take a form respective to the person you love and Snape's was a doe like Lily. Snape's saying the word "Always" outlines that, while he may not have liked James and dislikes Harry because he thinks Harry is too much like his father, he would ALWAYS protect and watch over her son because he LOVED her. He was not obsessed or guided by lust. How do we know this? Because Merope was someone who was motivated by obsession and lust and she used a love potion to force the person she liked to be with her. Additionally, if Snape was obsessed with Lily, why didn't he make to get rid of James after the two got together? Why didn't Snape find some way to make Lily his own? Nothing Snape ever did show an obsession with Lily Evans. Snape stood up to Voldemort to have him spare Lily's life out of LOVE. Dumbledore confirmed that Snape loved Lily. Snape's memories confirm he loved her. Harry himself recognized this and gained a new respect for him. His whole reason for wanting to catch Black was because he thought Sirius was the traitor that caused Lily's death. With all this together, it becomes clear that, if anyone is a victim of circumstances, Severus Snape is. He was labeled as a freak and a villain just for having different hobbies, didn't have that great a mother, lost his one friend because of a mistake, was forced into the wrong crowd by peer pressure and social rejection when he didn't even agree with the ideals of his peers, and is still never recognized for any of the good he did. There is not a single moment that Snape did anything out of purely selfish motives. Yes he was not a great person when interacting with others, but he acted out of selfless bravery and showed a value for the lives of others throughout the book. So far as the series has shown, Dumbledore is the only one he killed. Given this, it's impossible to say that Snape is beyond redemption, let alone unredeemed.

[@mysticalarchives7821]

Aside from that, Draco definitely comes off as being more of a bully than Snape. Sure, Snape embarrassed Students, called out their mistakes n front of everyone, and openly mocked their flaws and ineptitude. But he never attacked someone's bloodline or family save for once when he called Lily a mudblood in anger and he immediately regretted it. But aside from that one instance, his taunts were nothing more than mocking Harry's celebrity status or chastising people for being bad at potions or spellcasting. That's still bullying, and like I said, I'm not excusing that, but let's look at Draco. He openly taunts students, takes points away for illegitimate reasons when in the inquisitorial squad, constantly insults the Weasley's for being poor, insult's Mrs Weasley for being plump, degrades Mr Weasley constantly, insults and degrades Hermione for being Muggle-born, openly jokes about and degrades the sacrifice Harry's parents made to save his life, spreads rumors and lies to make people look bad, and even curses people. He practically laughed about Cedric Diggory's death! He laughed at another kid's death! And that isn't because "he was pressured and abused to think that way." He did this stuff out of his own free will while being happily supportive of his beliefs. He doesn't change his beliefs until he starts to experience the true horrors of following Voldemort and realizes that he's not a killer. That is what redeems him, he realizes that he's not as brutal or merciless as those around him. After this, he begins to rethink his prejudices as it led to the horrors he witnessed, but prior to that moment is not excused as being "deceived by upbringing or circumstance." Yes, he was raised with these ideas, but he was perfectly fine with them until killing was involved. If he was forced to follow them like you say, then he would show apprehension from the beginning in some way shape or form. But he didn't. When looking at the story, it is clear that, prior to his epiphany, Draco was a spoiled, pampered rich boy that combined his bratty nature with the lies that he was superior to all others and that bloodlines reign supreme. He was definitely redeemed, but when you look at it, Snape only acted as a bully because he had faced persecution in his life and lost the one person that mattered; thus he had a reason to act that way that doesn't excuse it but allows you to sympathize with it. Draco doesn't have that reason behind his bullying throughout books 1-5 but does turn around starting in book 6 and into book 7. But we need to understand something, Draco being a bully in the first five books to such a high degree is of his own choice and beliefs. A person can change, but that change cannot undo the things they've done in the past. Now understanding this, I would still say that Draco is more than forgiven and redeemed as he truly changes his ways and becomes a better person. But because of the fact that Draco was worse than Snape with less of a reason than Snape had to be a bully, it is impossible to say that Draco can be redeemed or was redeemed without consenting that Snape is also. Snape was not nearly as cruel or bullying as Draco, Snape had a reason to be that way that is sympathetic, and Snape still managed to do good prior to, while, and after bullying students. This is shown constantly and so, evidence proves that Snape and Draco are either both redeemed, or neither redeemed. Pick one or the other, you can't mix and match.

[@terrymeng6321]

I agree with what you said, I would also add Draco was pleased with the idea of killing Dumbledore and gaining honour for the Malfoy family at first. He also didn't have an issue with Katie and Ron or any other students dying because of his schemes. Remember his boastings on the train to other Slytherins.

[@maddyg2320]

@@mysticalarchives7821 ... I'm 2 years late lol, but yes you're correct!

[@tussendoortje]

i only have one thing to add to this video and all the comments i read here, which is DO NOT try to tell me that voldemort, who didn't even have a fucking NOSE left after splitting his soul 7 times, would still be able to father a child. i mean honestly though lol

[@rainbowphoenix1363]

Seeing all these people talking about how truly horrible this play is, it helps me feel that humanity isn't gonna just sit back and take all the shit thrown at them

[@psotekd3604]

Rainbow Phoenix I know, right? It feels good to know that others see the stupidity.

[@willrivera3612]

RIP Alan Rickman You're wrong about Snape. Period. If you'll take the time to read I'll explain. Snape first and foremost was an abused and neglected child. During the portion of his life when children not only develop their identity but in this world also their magical properties this child dealt with a lonely and socially deprived existence. His father was an abusive bigoted muggle and his mother weak and meek even with the power of magic. He probably never heard words of encouragement his whole life until he met Lily. With her extroverted sweet disposition it's no wonder this unloved starved for affection boy grew to think he loved her and perhaps he did. He had no real way of knowing the difference having lived such an isolated miserable existence. This leads to my next point... Snape would have learned early on that life isnt fair. His existence is living proof. His beloved is in love with his bully, James who has all the qualities he wishes he had. James, who despite being heroically written and possibly redeemed was undeniably a horrible kid. He was loyal to his friends and did the right thing in the end usually but it doesnt take away how miserably he and his friends treated Severus. Granted Snape instigated with them as well but his bitterness can be understood within the realm of his jealousy over Lily. James and co had no reason to hate Snape except that he was a Slytherin and an easy target with his GoodWill robes and books. As a teacher within the realm of this school with there being 4 houses in direct competition with one another you cannot fault Snape for favoring his own house i.e his ideals. He generally treated students with courtesy except Griffindors and more specifically Harry's peers. He saw in Harry the demons of his past. Snape is a very human character after all. Moreover it's been shown that children need this type of authority in their life to develop toughness and resilience. It's not removing scary things that makes kids braver its continuous exposure to those scary things. Snape acted like an asshole but when push came to shove he made the right choices same as James. Yes his idea of love is warped but when you grow up loveless and affection starved with no real role models that's what you end up with. You see his real character in the subtleties. PS. Oh and that bs Dumbledore pulled at the end of Sorcerers Stone robbing Slytherin the house cup.... yea let's not act like Snape is the only teacher playing favorites

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

Will Rivera you will literally never find me arguing Dumbledore was a pure character either. He’s up there on my list of manipulative characters who mistreats students. But besides that, an abusive childhood does not forgive an abusive adulthood, it just creates context. You know who else grew up in an abusive, unforgiving, cruel environment? Harry Potter. And yet he managed to not take his rage out on others, he managed to grow up accepting and loving instead of bigoted and hateful. I don’t deny Snape his nuance, I deny him forgiveness because at no point did he earn it. His hatefulness towards students can’t be forgiven because a woman spurned him when he was 17. Especially when that woman spurned him after he called her a slur and buddied up with people who hated her for the makeup of her blood. I think James was an awful teenager who grew out of it. I think Snape was a mistreated teenager who never grew past bitterness and decided to take out his rage on defenseless children who were supposed to be under his care. Children being exposed to abuse unnecessarily isn’t a way to build character. It’s a sign that a particular adult should not have contact with children.

[@willrivera3612]

@@ProblemsofaBookNerd There is some credence to the fact that Snape did not handle his bitterness productively. However you cannot compare he and Harry. Their childhoods while both traumatic were different. Harry despite it all still had people that cared about him. Dumbledore watched over Harry his whole life. Once Harry met Ron he had a family. He knew love always. Snape it isnt so clear. He never had love. Even his love for Lily was more of an infatuation with her because she was the first and possibly only person who showed him love. Also what students did he mistreat? Within the realm of an unforgiving school with trap rooms, forbidden forest detentions, exposure to danger constantly... I mean he was a jerk. However he was competent. A competent teacher who happens to be strict and disagreeable is more valuable for a school than an incompetent one who is nice (lookin at you Hagrid). By the standards of the school Snape was no more horrible than Moody or Dumbledore himself who allowed Harry to compete in the Triwizard tournament for example. Neville became so brave through all his trauma. For all you know this tough love is just what he needed having been raised by his granny so long. All the evidence for Snape being evil or even a bad person is faulty. Unlikable and a grouch.. sure.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

Will Rivera He threatened the life of Neville’s toad as a motivator, which is blatantly awful. He openly ignored bullying amongst his students unless it benefitted him to point it out. He ridiculed Hermione and joined in with bullying of her appearance to the point that she permanently altered how she looked. This isn’t a competent teacher, this is a bully with some knowledge. Also, while Snape didn’t find a family at school, comparing Dumbledore watching over Harry to having a loving family is laughable. Dumbledore was involved in Harry’s life from afar, and his involvement was strictly to raise Harry until he was the right age to die. That’s not love, that’s manipulation. Yes, Harry found people who cared about him in school after a childhood of abuse. A childhood Snape constantly throws in his face, despite the fact that they both came from unfortunate circumstances and families that were cruel. Snape also finds Lily at school, a person who cares about him. In response, Snape makes friends with people in the wizarding community who despise his best friend and he loses that friendship by California his friend a slur. I compare Harry and Snape because they both had similar opportunities, but Harry grows in spite of the abuse of his childhood to find love and Snape embraces hate and chances away those who care about him. His life was awful, like I said, but it doesn’t excuse being such a terrible teacher that he was also one of his students’ GREATEST FEARS in a world where far greater horrors exist.

[@willrivera3612]

@@ProblemsofaBookNerd I didnt say Harry had a loving home. I said he had people that cared about his well being. More than that he grew up with an ideal. Yes the Dudleys were horrible to him but they certainly loved one another and so Harry grew up at the very least with some concepts of family, expressions of love, civility, affection, politeness. Traits Snape would never pick up in those early crucial childhood years with his (heavily implied physically) abusive father and mentally broken mother. Also let's look at the typical age for Hogwarts students 11-17 Yes 1-10 is important but not so much that you can extrapolate out the next 7 years of personality and identity development. Teenage years are especially important. Yes Snape chose his group but what choice did they have? They were in rival houses and his hated nemesis had a group of bullies next to him to protect him. I don't see how he had that many options given his general lack of people skills and unpopularity. Besides he hated muggles because of his fathers bigoted nature towards magic. With those death eater types he could at least cling to that anger and justify his hatred for muggles which was always his anger at his bigot father. Snapes boggart would be his father. I wonder if anyone has asked Jo this? Anyway I'm sure Snape at many times in his childhood regretted his own existence something I don't think Harry experienced before finding the truth of his parents and the prophecy. But see thats the point even when he found that out the power of love brought him back. His parents died protecting him. His life had value. Who loved Severus? Anyone at all? Mayyyyybe mum? He had no real friends. I can see why Dumbledore trusted him always and why Harry called Snape the bravest man he knew. Snape probably loved Dumbledore like a father. It probably crushed his heart to murder Dumbledore. In him Snape saw his purpose. His ideal. His mentor. The man who granted him a second chance and saw value in him. It's why he was so distraught by being called a coward by Harry. For that moment he lost restraint. He had just done the bravest thing a man could do. Keep to his word and honor the wishes of the man he adored and loved even. Let's get it straight Snape saved a few characters asses more than once and apt readers will confirm this. He shined when it mattered. It's just a frog dude. He probably had the antidote in his pocket and even if not they live in a world where Voldemort is rising, families are dying and being tortured. You shouldn't be coddling these students into wazarding snowflakes. Toughen then up so when the time comes they can pull that sword out of the hat and slice off the head of the snake that torments them. Of course its Harry that's the real hero. But its important to understand how Harry was able to put on his hero hat and what forced Snape to feel shame in wearing his. Snape hated himself probably till his dying breath. His last act was to remember the eyes of the woman he never stopped loving. His ideal. She represented everything he saw as good in life. Hope, warmth, love, friendship, potential. I don't think theres a character in HP as full of regret as Snape. For that he always protected Harry even if he didn't like Harry. He is only human..of course in his teenage humiliation he clung to the last shred of dignity he could muster in the situation.. his Slytherin mantra. A mantra he never believed in. Snape was no bigot. He disliked muggles possibly but definitely hated bigoted ones if only because of his father.

[@willrivera3612]

@@ProblemsofaBookNerd thanks for this conversation btw :)

[@cendiacocri]

Finally! Finally someone who sees the truth: Snape felt lust for Lilly. He wanted to own her in every way. That wasn't love. He brakes the picture with her and her family and keeps the part with her only. Is that love? No. That's pure obsession. Thank you! Thank you for saying the truth out loud!

[@vicar0in0a0tutu]

He's a very interesting character but that doesn't = a good person

[@athina1739]

Snape is repulsive?What about James being a bully to Snape all the time?Snape wasn't perfect but he protected Harry no one can deny that.Lilly had died but still Snape was there for Harry.He was a human not a hero or an anti-hero just a human being and that is absolutely fine

[@SelpuchralDarkness]

Thank you for making a very balanced but informed video. I've found it interesting that a lot of the positive views are more based on nostalgia for the HP world than on the book itself, so it was really enjoyable to watch this. Scorpius and Draco saved this book from being a wreck to me, I don't feel as bad about Scorpius not being with Albus more that he couldn't at least be independent and comfortable with himself instead of a forced thing with Rose. I just hope it's not another case of a guy character being used as an easter egg years later.

[@seraphiccandy21]

ooooh, we're not going to get on are we? Snape is my fave character ...he's flawed yes but he's still the main in every one of my ships...

[@atinity6749]

Snape was always one of fave characters as well. I dont understand the point that "one good deed doesnt forgive all the terrible thing he's done" ONE?! Seriously? First he's tries to save Harry's family (granted, just because he's own selfish(?) reasons), he betrays Voldermort before he's vanguished, and then becomes a double agent and risks his own life. He saves Harry on many occations... Yes, he's dick as a teacher but I dont think he's behavior is so scarring. He treets everyone just as badly, except Slytherins and Harry, but he's got a good reason for that, like what James, Harry's father did to him in school. All the students dislike him, but only one that he's "scarring" is Neville, but just because Neville is really insecure, and he's pretty much afraid all the other teachers as well, and some of the students too. That is before Neville becomes more courageous. And the other thing, that Snape didnt really love Lily, it was lust... They knew each other many years, they met when Snape was having one the hardest time of his life, and he finally found a friend in Lily, who also felt kinda alone, with her being only witch in her family and her sister being jealous of that and despising her. I dont think after having that kind of relationship with someone, you can feel just "lust" for them. They were really close, they were best friends. So I think all and all, Snape is a really good, brave, strong and smart character. Yes he has faults which make him even more interesting and relatable.

[@reginapoppins558]

"He treets everyone just as badly, except Slytherins and Harry, but he's got a good reason for that, like what James, Harry's father did to him in school" Are you serious? For you, it's a good reason to torture a boy (who didn't even know what his father did BTW) for 6 YEARS because his father was mean to him?? Wow, I call that an explanation, not "a good reason". And he didn't want to save Harry's family, he wanted to save LILY and told Voldemort he could kill her husband and baby if he spared her. What a good, brave and strong character...

[@seraphiccandy21]

Regina Poppins Nobodys perfect. Of course he is flawed but he's also human. Harry looks very similar to his dad and Snape had no idea how Harry was raised which is why he treats him as he does. He ( falsely) assumes Harry is just like his dad, something which Harry only encourages when he misbehaves etc. Like if Harry actually sat down and studied one of his potions texts it might actually help...

[@atinity6749]

exactly! I simplified some things and left a lot out because my answer was quite long as it was. and in my opinion, all things considered, the good and the bad, Snape was more of a hero than a villain.

[@Anna-hy1eb]

HOW DOES Scorpious LIKE ROSE?!? especially when he and Albus had such a deep friendship and it was only half way through before I realised Scorpious liked Rose. It broke my heart :'(:'(

[@AGuyWithAChannel]

The "Voldemort can't feel love" thing is one of the few things I disagree with here. Basically, it's never said he CAN'T feel love, only that the artificial nature of his parent's union - in Rowling's words, "it was a symbolic way of showing that he came from a loveless union". That word, symbollic, seems to go under the RADAR of a lot of people. In order of Voldemort to work as a character, he had to have the option to feel love, but refused it. Otherwise his greatest flaw, as Dumbledore says, is not his fault. And therefore can't be a flaw - it's a disability. It's like everyone hating the guy who's colourblind - or, to really Appeal to Emotions fallacy, paraplegic - because he can't see colours/ walk. It's.. wrong. It doesn't work; so I feel it's fairly clear Voldemort had the potential to feel love, and never did. And he wouldn't have daughter.

[@sharpaycutie2]

I agree. On the story Voldemort killed his father after being rejected by him and ot showed his rage from that encounter and decision to kill all muggles because of it.

[@matth1589]

The handling of Snape's story is one of the weakest aspects of the books. Naming his son after him makes no sense unless Harry is convinced that all of Snape's actions whilst he was at school was subterfuge. That Snape was only doing the things that he did to serve as a beacon to all those within the school who wished Harry harm and that Dumbledore was in on it from the start. Otherwise, even though he is working with Dumbledore, Snape is still an appalling person. Harry might recognise his contribution to the war as being important but he wouldn't name his son after him. It's like there are several scenes missing from the pensieve chapter of the final book. The only way I could justify Albus Severus's name was if there had been a memory where Dumbledore coerced a reluctant Snape into becoming the sort of man who would go out of his way to terrify at least some of the children he taught. To alienate himself from the rest of the staff and to paint himself as a potential ally to anyone intent on harming Harry. I could forgive Snape for his behaviour if he had allowed Dumbledore to alter his mind, perhaps by amplifying his emotional reactions to his childhood memories. If the hatred he feels for James and the intense reactions he experiences through Harry's resemblance to both his father and mother were the result of Dumbledore tampering with his mind, Snape's behaviour during the first six books can be re-evaluated. Without it, he's just a jerk whose primary motivation is that his old mentor killed the woman he was infatuated with.

[@AlliWalker]

Which comes off as so cheap.

[@matth1589]

Allison Walker I agree, it wouldn't be satisfying story telling. A revelation at the end of book 7 still wouldn't have been enough. Snape just isn't written as a good person in any of the books but, short of Rowling rewriting the series, I need to find some justification for Harry and Ginny to choose, Albus Severus. Snape working against Voldemort with Dumbledore, that is threaded throughout the books. It is just that there is nothing leading up to Harry naming his son after Snape. As a character I think Snape is more interesting as a terrible person working on the side of the angels, but Rowling obviously wanted him to be some sort of hero. Harry's opinion goes from seeing Snape being killed whilst he hated him: to naming his second son after him only 8-years later. The entirety of that transition takes place after Snape dies. In itself it is a basis for a short story. The aftermath of the battle. Harry going through Dumbledore's and Snape's diaries and possessions, trying to work out two people that he suddenly doesn't know as well as he thought he did.

[@meganbirkett9013]

Thank you so much for talking about how awful Snape is. I get so annoyed by the amount of people that call him a hero!

[@lydiaschoen]

Two things. 1. I almost cried when Draco said "it's a lonely life to be Draco Malfoy" it just perfectly summed up malfoys existence in Harry Potter's world. 2. Thank you!!!!! Ive been saying the exact thing about defense against the dark arts teacher hermione. Like there is no way just not being with Ron changes who she is as a person. She is kind no matter who she marries. She created SPEW for crying out loud!

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

SPEW!! Of course that is another great example I could have mentioned. She is so about standing up for those who have been treated poorly, even when Ron is less supportive of her as he was near the beginning of SPEW. But she kept going and she convinced him! Because she's passionate about standing up for those who she sees being treated poorly.

[@Iamjustherek]

I was PISSED at first au Hermione! People were actually trying to say that because Hermione was a know it all in her FIRST YEAR she had the potential to turn into Snape! Like we're we reading the same books? Hermione was a know it all and maybe a little pushy but she became so much more mellow when she befriended Ron and Harry. Some people are crazy if they think that she would become that bitter -_-

[@josephineprestine6633]

Snape loved Lily; she was the one person in his entire life that was kind and gentle to him. He loved her so much that he protected the son she had with the man he hated. He risked his life for years protecting Harry, and then ultimately gave his life for that cause. Does that sound like lust to you? Lust would be angry, vengeful, and destructive when scorned. No, Snape protected Harry for years without appreciation or acknowledgement. Not sure what you mean when you blame Snape for the deaths of James and Lily. He begged Dumbledore to protect them, became a double agent and stopped being a death eater all to attempt to save them. I think these are all redeeming qualities. A little bit of a bad attitude does not out weigh these strengths. And let's be honest-- kids should be able to grow up and deal with difficult personalities anyway, these kids are going to school with monsters, ghosts, dementors, trolls, three headed dogs, centaurs....the last thing a parent should be worrying about in this case is a snotty teacher.

[@jillypepper_]

You hit the nail on the head and put words to my thoughts!

[@vidhidev5900]

For me one of the most infuriating things in the book was Harry's portrayal as such a bad father. Harry, of all people, understood what it was like to grow up in an unloving family. I truly believe he would have been a wonderful father.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

YUP YUP YUP. EXACTLY.

[@bookishnewt8468]

...Harry went to Dumbledore for parenting advice. To Dumbledore... Not Mr. Weasley. Not to the man who has *_six_* sons (and a daughter)!!

[@daryayarmolenka1767]

Your comment/review is brilliant!!! More so it's pretty much what I think about the play! Thank you for sorting everything out

[@kanedafx]

Snape is not "good" or "bad". He's three-dimensional, which is why he is a good character. Audiences don't like Snape because they are dumb and naive, but because in real life people are complicated and flawed, which is why he resonates.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

He's a fine character. Written in an in-depth and fascinating way. But people who praise his actions frequently refuse to see the fact that he is not a good man in the context of the series. A well-written character, fine. But an overall terrible person. I can praise JKR's writing of the character while also having a deep need to punch Snape as hard as I possibly can in the face.

[@kanedafx]

I'm not talking about how "well written" Snap is. "overall terrible person" is still a moral judgment on him as an individual. Pretty much everyone does terrible things in these books, including Harry and some of the other "good" guys, just like in real life even the most perfect saint does terrible things from time to time. We'll entirely fallible, it's part of the human condition. Snape is neither "good" nor "terrible", he is plenty of both, which makes him real and not some one-dimensional stereotype of either.

[@kanedafx]

Again, I'm talking about how "well-written" he is. I'm talking about the nature of his morality. It is neither black nor white, like anyone else. Calling him a "terrible person" is quite dismissive considering all of the other good things he did.

[@ilovetea93]

what i love about the hp series is that there's no good or bad people...just people with flaws but some fans cannot understand that

[@animehbkscm]

Yeah Voldy wasn't a bad person he was just flawed... Or the Death Eaters raping and murdering out of pure spite and bigotry weren't bad people they were just flawed...

[@Sam-qc6sz]

wait a second so you hate Snape for how he treated Harry but what about Malfoy? he tried to use Crucio on him once and in a way he was an actual Death Eater (although i don't think he wanted to in the end :v) Snape however spent all his life at Hogwarts protecting Harry and even though a lot of the time he was nasty to him, he still protected him

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

Hi, I'm going to disagree with you on this a bit. So, Snape emotionally abused basically every student under his care that wasn't Slytherin. It was his duty as a professor to treat students well and encourage them, and instead he became Neville's worst fear. If a professor is a student's WORST FEAR that professor should be fired. Additionally, he ruined Remus Lupin's life over a schoolboy feud that had ended years earlier. So, no. I don't think he protected the students at Hogwarts. Also, Draco is a child. That is the end of my defense of him. If Snape had done any of the garbage fire stuff he did when he was a child, and then when he grew up he apologized and became a good person? I wouldn't have a Snape issue. But Snape died a self-righteous adult who emotionally abused children. Draco grew up, realized the ways he had been raised were wrong, and fixed the issue. Because the decisions he made were the decisions of a child. And that is why Snape is my least favorite character of all time, and why Draco is in no way worse or equal to him.

[@Sam-qc6sz]

ProblemsofaBookNerd ah well Everyone has aholes as teachers sometimes xD

[@g.chatterjee2296]

Harry s..sempra him in return. That should have been a 4th unforgivable curse. Harry doesn't show any remorse either. What's your point ?

[@olgaelagina9640]

I can't say how glad I am that I found your channel! Your content is just... Awesome. And this video made me re-think several things in the play, even though evidently I stumbled upon your review a bit late. Now I just have a mighty need to discuss The Cursed Child all over again. Oooh, so many thoughts... Anyway, thanks for creating amazing stuff and this video in particular (even though I don't entirely agree with your opinions). Good luck~~

[@DarthRevan53]

Personally I see Hermiony becoming a social activist for the less appreciated people of magical society like House Elves or Muggleborns, not unlike her actor Emma Watson who is an activist for the UN in our world.

[@caobadraconis5560]

I don't think I've agreed more with anything in my entire life

[@marceloguzman2752]

Marvelous discussion... I agree with you Snape is an idiot, the plot is horrible and the child of Voldemort, come on... Is pregnancy in the wizarding world 9 months?! Albus and Scorpius are my OTP. Again marvelous discussion

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

Thanks!

[@crits2524]

I think most people’s problem with the cursed child is that they’ve only read the script. If you actually see the play it makes a lot more sense. It’s like reading philosophers stone all over again an getting a sense of magic that you only receive the first time you experience something.

[@diddymelone2265]

I like Snape as a character, I wouldnt like him as a person, but as a character in the story, he´s awesome I think. and he´s like all grey, I dont think you can 100% say he´s terrible or 100% he´s good, because he isnt. he´s abusing children under his care, yes, and he chooses to die, when he also couldve saved himself at any point. that batman parallel btw. :D yeah and batman also is a distorted character, that works amazingly well in story and as a fantasy, but as an actual person, I probably wouldnt like him. when you are able to look at it from a distance, because its a story you are not part of yourself, its much easier to see that kinda stuff. however I will say it feels weird to me that people are outright praising Snape so much inside the story world.

[@anticsintheforbiddenzone7832]

I'd never thought about Snape that way, but with what you said and my current rereading of the books because the play made me upset I'm starting to see him in a different light It's interesting how we automatically romanticize abusive relationships, when all it needs is a step back and a decent analysis to realise this isn't the case. An interesting video from you, look forward to the rest :)

[@thefaeriewilds]

So I just uploaded my review video, and I came to watch this, and I am just in awe about how similar so many of our thoughts are, sometimes almost word for word, I'm cracking up lol. I'm also surprisingly cool with Neville and Luna being absent from this play, like, yes, go, save yourselves. Draco Malfoy in this play was a gift to my heart! :') I'm getting choked up again just thinking about it. I'm pretty sure McGonagall would have thrown Harry out a window if he tried to roll up on her like that, and I also don't think he ever would have. And I said it was like My Immortal Pt. 2!! And that they should have made AVPM canon instead!! Like we are actually twins right now. Ugh I didn't even mention Snape in my video. Or the queerbaiting, which I should have. But I totally agree and mentioned it in my goodreads review. It's so stupid because JKR already got SO MUCH criticism over the Dumbledore thing and how it's not cool to just throw stuff out there for fun if you don't actually have the intentions to back it up in your text and make it a real thing, so you would think they would have put a little more thought into not doing...the same thing...again. :( It was really cool to watch your video and see how many thoughts we had in common over this! :)

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

It's so funny we had so many of the exact same reactions to this play!! Oh dear, what a mess of a story honestly xD

[@BubblegumGirl366]

I love this review but you analysis of Snape not my cup of tea. You have to remember that it is heavily implied he grew up in an abusive and neglectful home and at most times the only light in his life was Lily. As a child he was scared and alone in the world and Lily was the only person who seemed to care about him. Then to go to school that is suppose to be a safe haven from his abusive father and neglectful mother only to be bullied and teased by a group of people from what I could daily for the way he looks and for just for being in the house he was in for years! Add to that slow losing the one person he cared about to that same bully. I'd also like the point we are only seeing Snape interactions with gryffindors and slytherins. From what I can recall hogwarts teaches two house up aside from electives and post OWLs at a time in almost always gryffindor has potions with slytherin. So you can't say hes as extreme with other houses because we can't see that for sure. But you have just have just gained a new subscriber

[@D0MiN0ChAn]

Having been abused in your childhood is no excuse to torment other people for more than 20 years. Harry did grew up in an absuive household as well and he never went about treating others as beneath him because he knew exactly how it felt. He was kind, chivalrous and helpful. Harry said and wished horrible things to Draco, but that feeling was mutual due to Draco's behaviour as the spoiled brat and pureblood supremacist that he was back then. I don't believe that Draco never grew out of his behaviour (if we regard the Cursed Child as canon, we even get proof that he redeemed himself properly). Snape is a tragic character, yes, absolutely, and he helps to defeat the Dark Lord by his sacrifice but that doesn't negate all the horrible things he has done to his students over the years.

[@nathanmusenga4730]

D0MiN0 Dont forget the time he beat the living crap out of Draco with the Weasly twins..... to the point his knuckles were stained with blood. Aahh, the chivalry. But what I mean to say is people aren't one dimensionally good or evil. Harry did good stuff more than Snape but the latter could have turned out much worse.(like actively seeking revenge on Lily and James after their ship set sail or letting go of helping Harry after Dumbledore was not their to keep an eye on him)

[@kellyflores4931]

But I do agree with your other points. I think there is a lot of different views on Snape... so yeah.

[@siskenbe]

Just saying: you are totally wrong about Snape, but I know that no one can make you think otherwise ;-) He's my favorite character and nobody can make me change MY mind about that B-)

[@sk70091]

I highly doubt Neville likes Snape. Neville's just a decent person.

[@dijanazulfikaric9573]

11:30 - and here we have the HP feels that we expected to have from this book/play.

[@mufcsofia]

Wow you totally summed up everything I felt. There were parts that I loved, like Scorpius. Okay, mostly Scorpius. And I will take the parts I liked as part of my Harry Potter canon. The rest I will leave. And gosh your Snape rant warmed my heart.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

I'm so glad that my hatred of Snape makes some people happy haha :)

[@WingedBagels]

Does anyone else like Snape? I thought he was a tragic character done right.

[@mckennafeist]

I think Harry having trouble connecting with Albus, and albus having resentment for him makes great sense as a "normal" family conflict. Instead, however, of harry saying "I wish you weren't my son," which I firmly believe he NEVER would have said, he could have said "I don't understand with the way you're acting how you are my son?" Albus was being a moody brat of a teen, and a parent saying "how did I raise such a brat?" is a common response.

[@Magdalinica]

i can't help but notice how much cedric and his plot in cursed child reminds me of stan shunpike?

[@terrymeng6321]

Hi Cece, I agree with everything what you said especially the ridiculous parts on this play (and there are other things as well). One thing I do have to bring up though: Draco before this play. He wasn't just a bully and a coward, he also wanted to fulfill his mission to kill Dumbledore instead being forced into it. Remember, he boasted about the mission to fellow Slytherins during the train ride in HBP and even when Dumbledore offered him protection he was reluctant to take it. In DH during the Battle of Hogwarts he wanted to hand Harry over to Voldemort when he could have left along with everyone else. He was clearly on the the Dark Lord's side of his own free will. Also I don't ever recall Lucius being abusive to Draco Malfoy in any way or form other than maybe having high expectation for him. Thanks.

[@WishFulfillment]

First of all your video joined me on my lunch break today so that was cool! You took me out of my job for 24 minutes and back into the Harry Potter world! I am so impressed by how much information you've retained from the series. The details you provided were incredible and I really enjoyed the way you analyzed and criticized this book. Even though I enjoyed reading it (and Albus is my favorite character ever and Severus is my second favorite in the series, please don't stop liking me! 😆) I totally agree with a lot of your commentary on how out of character it was and how it didn't make sense in comparison to the original series. I mean, as always, your critique is stunning and you make me want to reread the books and try harder to retain more of the details.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

Thank you so much!! I think a lot of the detail I've remembered comes from some of the other critiques of the play I have seen pop up here and there. I tried to avoid it prior to filming my discussion, but it was hard to avoid entirely! But I will say that HP may be the only thing in the world I have this level of detailed knowledge of. It is interesting Albus was your favorite character! I feel like I didn't talk about him as much in this discussion despite the fact that he was the main character. What stuff did you like about him in particular? I think he had a lot of good elements, I just don't feel I was quite as struck by his character as I was by Scorpius.

[@sroswell22]

So I love plays and know they are set up SO differently than books. I know that characters have to be exaggerated, big mechanisms (like time turners) have to be oversimplified, etc. I went into it expecting to like it but not really be a Harry Potter story. I did. I thought it was fun, despite annoying problems and plot holes (and I too always hated Snape). However you really made me look more critically at the play (where I had the tendency to gloss over the bad parts) and I think you were spot on. Thanks for Making me dig a little deeper!

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

Glad I was able to bring up some stuff that you thought was interesting! I in no way ever want to tell someone they aren't right to enjoy something, but I really want to be able to talk more with people about the things they did think were done well since I found so many things I didn't like!

[@AGreenG]

My first thoughts when finishing this diabolical piece of crap was "I wrote better fanfiction when I was 14!". It also annoys me when people swoon over the play. It's basically "ooh look at the shiny! Pay no attention to the plot! Shiny shiny!!"

[@Lovemypirates11211]

I disagree on you wrt Snape, otherwise, well I put the book down after I got to the part where Harry said "I wish you weren't my son" because that is just not something I see Harry saying. Then I found out the plot by looking it up and found out that there's a spawn of Voldemort and Bellatrix? Um, no. I see her wanting that, but apart from Voldemort touching Harry to make a point, do we EVER read (or see in the movies) him touching anyone? Anyway, as for Snape, yes he was a jerk in the span of the 7 books, but please, things are not that black and white. Only Voldemort and Bellatrix can really be said to be 100% beyond redemption in these books. When we see Severus in the pensieve after his death we see he was a kid who was abused as a child, never saw a loving relationship at home and Lily was always kind to him in school (at least until he called her a Mudblood out of hurt when she chose James.) Lily was possibly the first person to ever be kind to him so he latched on to her and James and Sirius bullied him terribly without any really good reason. I mean in Ootp, James tells Lily it's "Because he exists". Yet James and Sirius are beloved even though they are very flawed. Does no one consider how difficult it would be for Severus Snape to be a double agent if he was nice to the Gryffindors? And yes, he has a bias against Harry and just cannot see him as different from James. But yet time and time again we see throughout the books that he was trying to protect Harry even if he couldn't stand him. His love for Lily was not true love by far, I saw something that said that James and Lily's patronuses (patroni?) matched (doe/stag) because theirs was a companionship, whereas Severus's doe showed an obsessive love/crush. Tonks's patronus changed to a wolf when she fell in love with Remus. Anyway, point being, you don't lay down your life for someone if there's not some good in you.

[@heathercox1898]

i love harry potter. im not upset that i read the book but i wish i had a time turner so i could go back in time just to keep the play from being written. i feel like the writers never read a single hp book and only watched a few of the movies. you are right on point with you review.

[@ProblemsofaBookNerd]

I definitely feel like this play was far more based on the movies than the books! Actually, that would explain a lot characterization wise for this entire play...

[@Fiordafilms]

The reason behind Cedric being a bad person, is the theory that everyone is one bad day away of becoming the joker, i know Cedric might be a great person, and he is loyal, and a good friend, and honest, but even him, would be a death eater with a little change in the story.

[@lucyamber92]

Oh my goodness, THANK YOU for saying that part about Cedric! That was honestly one of my biggest problems with Cursed Child, especially as a proud Hufflepuff. I wore my Cedric seeker jersey to go and buy the book and was excited that the new book cared enough to talk more about what happened to him. In the original books he consistently showed himself to be fair and kind. What happened to him was so unfair and heartbreaking. Imagine my devastation and anger when they character assassinated him! There was no need at all for them to destroy his character and that drastic change in character over something so small was not believable in ANY way, shape or form. I refuse to accept it as canon quite frankly. I totally agree with your other points too of course but I was so glad to finally hear someone else agree about Cedric as I haven’t heard anyone else even comment on that in their complaints (but it was a really big deal to me and it made me quite sad and angry).

[@thecozybookworm4522]

YES YES YES this video is everything i feel about this book, especially the more i reflect on it

[@yaaraSagittarius]

I never read the cursed child because I read in several places about the plot and I was really disappointed. I spent a whole day looking on youtube interviews with Rowling, to try and find out why she did it or try to understand what she meant by that because I couldn't believe she really meant it to be the continuation of the Harry Potter story. I gave up pretty fast and was trying to forget and deny everything about that! I spent this all-time trying to understand how a true Harry Potter fan would like that plot. I was wandering around youtube today and saw your video and I was so relieved to listen to you. U just said every single thing I thought about that play and it was so comforting to hear another HP fan thinks like me and to know that there are more that thinks so too. This is definitely not how this story continues!

[@sakinahussain9312]

I havent read this yet but I still loved everything you had to say thank you so much for this video and your general existence

[@jeanemily218]

This was AWESOME! Thank you for this thorough, thoughtful take!

[@maryvidal8713]

Humm. This is actually the closest opinion to mine I've found. Can't agree with you when it comes to Snape completely. For many reasons mentioned on other comments below. However, FINALLY someone who thinks Dumbledore is overrated as a hero. I do think he is a very good and very intriguing character, but what is said about him on the last Harry Potter book is completely true. No one really knows Dumbledore. He has no communication at all during the book series and what you just have to trust him and go? No questions asked? I believe we need a book on his life.

[@jupukin]

Oh my god! You are the first person ever to share my feelings about Snape! He was such a cruel man and if he had really loved Lily he would have looked pass Harry's Jamesish looks and took good care of him, for Lily! I just can't understand how so many people only see the "Always" and just like that forgive him for everything he did to Harry and also to Neville! He hated Neville cause he could have also been the chosen one? You are sick in the head my man.

[@angelwaggoner1236]

I still can't decide whether I want to read this play or not. I guess I'm afraid it will change my opinion of originally loved characters. When it comes to time travel, I find everything/everyplace too difficult to keep straight. Seems to me if the series was continued, it should have picked up where it left off. How everyone deals with recovery, moving on, maturing, and a world without Voldemort. Maybe the Dementors go on a killing spree. Anything but this play. It's difficult to believe that JK Rowling read this before putting her name to it. Love her, by the way, but it still confuses me. I'll have to give more thought to reading it; or not. Nice breakdown Cece.

[@marte9739]

The play did threaten to change my opinions of the original characters, but I've decided to treat the play like fanfiction. I simply cannot accept it as canon.

[@angelwaggoner1236]

I'm thinking I'll forget about it for awhile and reconsider down the road. There are just too many other books I would rather read. Thanks for the suggestions.

[@guitarheroziplock]

it's a ridiculously stupid piece of fiction BUT it can be an enjoyable read if you treat it as a seperate entity. I went into it telling myself that this book would have no bearing on how I view the series and jumped into it with an open mind. yeah it's still awful as a whole but it's pretty quick and funny. plus scorpius, draco, and albus are characters that are super nice to read. all in all its a terrible tack-on to a great series with little to no redeeming qualities but you may as well check it out.

[@guitarheroziplock]

it's a ridiculously stupid piece of fiction BUT it can be an enjoyable read if you treat it as a seperate entity. I went into it telling myself that this book would have no bearing on how I view the series and jumped into it with an open mind. yeah it's still awful as a whole but it's pretty quick and funny. plus scorpius, draco, and albus are characters that are super nice to read. all in all its a terrible tack-on to a great series with little to no redeeming qualities but you may as well check it out.

[@angelwaggoner1236]

Thanks for the input. I'll pass, for now.

[@parchmentpages8804]

I agree with everything that you have said in this discussion, I am so glad that you mentioned the characterization of Cedric, I hated what they did to his character. The only characters I liked in this play were Draco and Scorpius.

[@JodyGfruitdance]

I just recently saw the play and omg YESSS to everything you said! Loved watching your video

[@christineexe]

100 percent agree with all of this! I need to go find someone who will listen to me rant about this book again. Two months later and I'm still just as upset as when I first read it.

[@xJoJoYox]

Your ship not becoming canon is not the same as queerbaiting. It just feels like your looking too deep into things there.

[@nathanmusenga4730]

As a Snape fan I say yeah he was bad, had no claim for Lily's love and I actually found that creepy and depressing for his character. But Voldemort caused those deaths and Snape played a vital part in the wizarding war(on both sides, actually) His character, for me, serves as a reminder that life, circumstances and choices complicated and simply "In case you hadn't noticed, life isn't fair." Also necessary to mention that Neville, another of my favourites suffered from a lack of confidence and obviously feared the teacher that escalated that insecurity..... and probably not Snape as a person... And the kid was 13 so... yeah