CYCLOPS IN M4 PLEASE? JUST ONE TIME PLEASE?

[@villianer7951]

From what I see, M4 prefers mages with a high utility like Yve with her annoying AoE+slow effect, Pharsa with her very long range, Valentina with her ultimate, also Lunox with her abilities to burst down any tank which is because most players pick tanky heroes. Meanwhile, Cyclops is more like a glass cannon mage without any special effects (besides immobilize from his burst), not to mention Lolita is one of the most picked tank in there.

[@erbikurnia4582]

Sure, but have a chance on goldlane or jungler

[@reytacdol6771]

I think they can still buff the second skill of cyclops into locking enemy first before minion in order to maximize damage and it's range

[@sparklingcutie]

And p much Mages in M4 can zone from p far away, unlike cyclops that need to get close.

[@nohtbad9344]

Most probable reason that cyclops isn't used is because if you want a glass canon late game mana hungry mage cecillion is a better pick. A superior late game mage like xavier exists as well

[@Ah-wz6nn]

This is true. Tournament games are all about picking the best heroes for respective roles with the best synergy, and unfortunately Cyclops just doesn't fit, not in the current meta at least.

[@ASongLover]

What needs to be changed for Cyclops: 1) Skills should not be visible from the map (your location is known) 2) Ultimate should give the enemy hero's sight 3) Mana costs should be reduced 4) The cooldown at the beginning of the game should be reduced 5) Cyclops should be a bit more durable as he is a sustained damage hero, so shield should be added to his second skill If Cyclops can be made more useful, there's no need to change his damage.

[@evilping97]

Create monster ?

[@bashislife6617]

In short you want to say moonton need to give new skin for cyclops ? 😂

[@AAAaungmin]

cyolop no need shield because cyolop is very good. cyolop is my best hero

[@rafaelantoniomartinez4371]

The he would be too powerful. I think what Cyc need right now is an immune to slow effect on his s2. And also more duration for the movement speed on his s2. It would be nice, especially when heroes like Yve, Loli and other slow heroes are in the meta.

[@ASongLover]

@@rafaelantoniomartinez4371 You are right, this change in meta is more reasonable and doable.

[@lenardsantiago4597]

Nostalgic feeling when cyclops was a thing in M1. Hoping for other mages other than Yve and Valentina lol 😆😆

[@user-running]

Probably no because power creep

[@Ilovetoticklepeoplestip]

Kandita was used at m4 i guess

[@raixoograciel4071]

EVOS SG is using Cyclops back in M3.

[@016Jackal]

Xavier is also used

[@maximillian907]

I do like cyclops I started playing him when I saw one of Betosky's vid in the past. But looking at the meta, it is revolving around mobility and cyclops is not enough to fit in considering there are better choices.

[@wel1321]

Cyclops can easily be seen on the map with his second skill, that's why no one picking it(mostly)

[@saripdol1943]

used to be one of my favorite before i started my tank/support career lol .. a very fun unit to play if you are good at hit & run tactic 😅😅😅

[@dionmardianto]

The thing about Cyclops is sometimes we can see his second skill even when he's in the bush

[@a-man1433]

u can even see it when using the map its like the same case like aurelian sol from league

[@milosaga5450]

@@a-man1433 still too op nerf aurelion sol

[@a-man1433]

@@milosaga5450 too op to the point they have to revamp him

[@somerandomperson6066]

3:35 lol LEOMORD

[@fahriagung-_.]

3:30 Well played Leomord :)

[@vitch8262]

Bedroom voice... I like it... ❤️

[@ajeiofficial02]

The only Problem with Cyclops is, he consume lots of mana

[@rexellpaullopez5410]

Just like Alice.

[@user-sn9fp7os5c]

Cyclops jungler much better than midlaner but take sometimes to jungle for early

[@pluhurimistikal]

is that the only problem you see?

[@chent5463]

I have no problems with cyclops for me honestly

[@Unforgiving_Eye]

@@pluhurimistikal I mean Mana problem is the most obvious problem for Cyclops so yeah

[@inkwillsarcade9872]

Cyclops deserves a buff. Like his ult, it needs to provide vision whenever it chases and while the ult is on the enemy.

[@johnedward3947]

old cyclops was OP but dev nerfed him

[@LosTL0rD]

I guess that would be fair..

[@amazingcola2479]

That sounds good!

[@fahriagung-_.]

Thank you for discussing this Hororo 😊

[@sparklingcutie]

In this meta, it's like 1% chance that a team can pick Cyclops in M4. So it's unlikely to happen unless like there is a miracle buff to Cyclops that they can consider. It's not worth risking to pick Cyclops especially that M4 is already in the Knockout stage.

[@royalcho8566]

Beto"s main heroes ♥

[@cocomarts4757]

He's too clunky to use in pro scene or even in high rank games. He's at peak only at mid game, it's hard to deal damage in early because his cd wont be enough without items and he loses mana way too much, while in the late game, he just deals little damage because most enemies will just build athena and/or radiant armor at that point already I suggest they should add spell vamp on his passive, so that he can build more magic power items without needing to build concentrated energy

[@elmasalamanca1568]

Day 9 of asking Hororo to use weird combos Disabling strike zilong(blade of hepta seas is needed to activate disabling strike) I tried all emblem talent for pure ATK Zilong and disabling strike works best for oneshoting

[@kimberlyadolfo3196]

As a cyclops user. I also wish to see cyclops in M4🥺

[@Bullinthehouse]

Nah bruh me the opposite because I don't want my character got popular and stole in rank

[@sergioBlancoGonzales]

Main Cyclops here

[@Dark_BlackBerry-r5o]

@@Bullinthehouse fr having your main getting popular and ban is pretty suck

[@luigimatthew6614]

Betosky's favourite hero. He may not be a perfect mage, but his specialty is fighting in any direction like a gyroscope version mage.

[@luigimatthew6614]

@Gray He may have good scores on Harley, but there was a video that he literally said, Cyclops is in fact his favourite hero.

[@blueempoleon6507]

Cyclops really suffers from mana which restricts him from going burst build items. If only moonton could adjust his mana skill consumption.

[@gazzakeh26]

Interesting but Cyclops are really a situational and a hidden card pick, it has many counters and should be picked in last place for tournament like M4, just like any other good heroes but rarely getting picked in M4, like Thamuz, Leomord, Gord, Edith, Vexana, Clint

[@veylusoliveira7015]

Why is Edith only picked last ?

[@m.mchannel9342]

-He don't have range -No brust damage -No dash or survival skill -Can't dive to back lines -Weak from early to mid -As a jungler His defence is low like assassins but he is played like a fighter That's why you will never see him

[@gilbertliberato2363]

As a cyclops main I prefer most of the old builds. No mana regen then boots Then talisma and complete the cd boots. Btw the emblem I use for cyclops is the movement speed not the cd one and penetration and the 90 percent buy which is hororo equip. Next to the build is the glowing wand to burst the enemy and next is talisma if the enemy is burst or ice wand if you want to slow the enemy tank. Next is dominance if the enemy has more healing or physical damage. Brute force if there's a magic damage that kills cyclops. Last build is frozen for survival and change it to imortality if ever. but I prefer the divine glave cause most player build athena or radiant to counter cyclops so you need to re counter their build. If you have so many coins just remove the boots and build some movement speed item the brown wand haha. Forget that one. Hirap mag english yawa haha

[@fourthkim3715]

The biggest problem cyclop is not played on major tournament is because cyclop cant give damage from *safe distance*. Most pick mage on tournament usually has long range skill or burst damage with stunt while cyclop nor one of them.

[@Heavenly_Demon99]

Pharsa can zone,burst and have mobility,yve can also zone and have insane slow, valentina can copy ultimates and have good mobility as well as burst, lunox have insane burst. Comparing cyclops with these mages cyclops cannot zone, can't burst like above mentioned mages and also lacks mobility. And also he can do absolutely nothing to highly picked assassins like haya and ling. So its a no brainer.

[@wanauphom2612]

Finally got to hear your voice

[@UrMeowMeow]

Trueeeeeee, I countered Fanny with my Cyclops pick and got Win/MVP in ranked💙🧿✨

[@asvenlairarcens1061]

I was just thinking about this yesterday. Why is cyclops underrated?... he got mobility, damage, cc and cool down reduction. Yve can prolly counter him, but still I think cyclops might do well in M4 if he is picked. Just like Thamuz.

[@Jxki69]

he's vulnerable to cc

[@Kenobisan02]

He lacks the range of other meta mages to compete, he should work in the jungle if possible

[@mlacc5020]

He greatly lacks early game strength

[@Ah-wz6nn]

All of the good things you listed about him are actually lacking, except the cdr. He has mobility, but not enough Has damage, but not enough Has cc, but not enough He doesn't excel in any of those things which is why he isn't a viable option in M4.

[@esmondgoh3112]

3:36 that Leomord did a big OOF

[@kentroa9286]

Nope, I'll gate keep Cyclops just this once. Don't expose him. I remember when his skills were slightly buffed, I had a hard time picking him in draft, either my teammate picks him(I already showed that I'll cyclops) or the enemy gets him.

[@lawlaw8530]

Because the tournament is played as a 5v5 strategy. They must play accordingly and in synchronization or they will fail. 5v5 mind games strategy.

[@pekarenthlei1128]

Yaaa thats what my exact thoughtt like zane should have picked cyclops instead of baratsss when Kairi(onic) picked ling

[@gremia3150]

3:34 Hororo be like : Bruh 💀

[@veylusoliveira7015]

The reason why he isnt picked is because his only CC is an ultimate and no dash skills which could be essential to avoid mistakes and counter other slowing heroes. Anyway, currently anything in meta MUST have a cc or cc immunity.

[@maaacccreee3543]

Because they're know the pros n cons to use cyclops. Let the pro players pick their own comfort heroes or meta.

[@gchyll2]

Used to main cyc last season. Permanently used dominance ice and radiant armor plus vengeance. Unfortunately, can't get the same feel with bruteforce.

[@ieattacos68]

so far saber skill 1 and Cyclops's skill 2 can be seen even without vision

[@kageyama-kun1744]

Cyclops jungle used to be a meta in 2021 midyear season when it was popularized by King e-sports in a certain match in a tournament. I forgot the opponent team's name but King e-sports swept the game not allowing their enemy to gain any kill. Yes you have heart it. Thei opponent has no kills in the entire match.

[@AAAaungmin]

cyolop is mine favourise hero he have very good skill. I was play him 3years but cyolop is ever good. I like so much cyolop becauase I love his stars.

[@roninjuy]

The META now revolves around the TANK junglers. A hero that can tank damage and get objectives. While mages are preferably heroes that can easily reach the backline since damage dealers are there. Cyclops is not one of those heroes. He’s like a marksman like lunox and harith but since Lunox has her hp based dmg(good for tanks) and Harith with extreme mobility and true damage (calamity reaper- also good for tanks), they are picked while Cyclops isn’t. Cyclops needs a lot of mana, needs a lot of gold to be online and does not have a survivality kit (except for concentrated energy). It just shows how unbalanced the game is. Maybe Mobazane is right when he said that the current META is boring but it is the truth. It revolves around a set of heroes and the others aren’t picked. There are 118 heroes in the game, 119 in the adv server and most of them weren’t pick. I just hope Montoon balances the game so we can see different heroes in the future tournaments. Hell, I want to see Hanzo, Alice, Layla, Hanabi, Zilong, Zhask in the Tournament too!

[@jaysonausa5990]

pagnatapat sa lolita yan taena skill ni cyclops, sbgay nkakasawa naman tlga na paulit-ulit lang ng pick kaso di naman sila pre-preho ng playstyle. hindi naman nagpunta mga player dun para lang mag-troll sa national comp. tsaka may META🤧

[@Zhask963]

Lesson learned don't trash talk hororo chan

[@JuneLok]

Totally agree there is 118 hero not only few hero like lance, fanny, gusion, selena, and others 3 or 4

[@fahriagung-_.]

Cyclops is my favorite Hero >_

[@Valome_Virtual_Gravedigger]

This little gremlin eats more Mana than British Iron Deficiency Boi Ceci

[@SJA-2000]

Cyclops is underrated

[@okie3111]

6:42 That "bv ba?" 💀

[@XZGone]

that is the reason why i don't usually watch tournament these days. there are different teams that use same heroes again and again.

[@HahaHaha-jx4le]

Isn't it the fault of montoon though? Like, if you want heroes or varying heroes, make balanced heroes and a meta where every hero can shjne

[@pakistanilion6609]

underated heros are so strong but may b low surviability is problm but if use in good hands than its gg.. ur build is so tanky and am impressed

[@iamnoob8835]

Wise might use it as a surprise pick for grandfinals

[@minotaur_plays841]

its either burst damage or control. thats what you look for mage.

[@samywolf9081]

It's impo, bcz they pick mages which have a big ring to help in team fight. Cyclops os for solo or duo.

[@pohtk2004]

Yes more cyclops video! He need some love and buff.

[@GinsuSher]

As a cyclops fan, I'm disappointed in the lack of cyclops in M4 too.

[@joshlagman253]

Also note that with the upcoming Moskov and Lolita revamps, Cyclops will become the oldest hero without a revamp or a remodel :(

[@rosenamajunas1159]

I love that no one play cyclops so moonton won't change him. I reached mythic solo q just by playng him

[@ivahne6543]

i just want the old cyclops back when the hero's 2nd skill would all go to the target

[@xrcbxlg]

Just hit enemy with Basic attack and use second skill and it will have same effect

[@xiaolv1836]

Unless there is huge change in emblem like what they plan the other hero will have hard chance to get pro scene unless they get buffed brokenly

[@miggy4667]

Cyclops lacks *MOBILITY AND UTILITY* to be considered as hot pick in M4. If I were going to choose between him or Nana, I would rather choose Nana because of her utility and chain CC skills.

[@Badget007]

Cyclops Buff Idea: Add a passive to cyclops in which every time he levels up, he increases his cd reduction by 1% up to 10%

[@sparklingcutie]

Kinda Op, since his passive states that every time his skill hits an enemy, it will reduce every skill's cooldown.

[@Ah-wz6nn]

I think a better change would be to reduce the base CD of all his skills, but also nerf his passive a little. This allows him to use his skills more without having to rely too much on his passive (e.g. can use his 2nd skill outside combat more often for movement speed boost). Also his first skill is pretty bad. It's slow, makes him stop, and only does damage with no other effects. So that definitely also needs a change.

[@frozenlettuce293]

I think after playing Cyclops alot, a good buff would be to actually buff his ultimate to reveal the enemy hit on the map when it catches them for 3 seconds, alot of times they run away and I ult, they just get caught and I have to chase them down guessing which bush they decided to hide in

[@frozenlettuce293]

And because he doesn't provide alot of utility to the team, just increase his hp growth by 10 so he's a bit more tanky, and add a secondary effect to his 2nd skill. Where they get slowed by 1% all the way to 5% for 1 second every time he hits them with his 2nd, it's very minor but it allows him to have some more utility for the team, making it so he's not that dependent on ice queen/uses ice queen to add even more slow

[@Yousef4sa]

He is good but need little buff, like add 2 or 3 balls to his 2nd skill, its help a lot with ice mage item that to make annoying slow like kimmy Gord and Ave

[@erickson5783]

In my opinion the best buff for Cyclops to be in the meta is to manage to cast second skill and hit the closest enemy when stunned or other cc skills

[@azami567]

Hope for the future tournament there has global ban and make old heroes out of meta still played

[@bima51096]

RRQ Lemon: "and i took them personally"

[@naresh21888]

I was playing cyclops in many rolls last season, and he was op and single handidly won many games. But this season, it is so hard. With many heroes getting buffs, cyclops became irrelevant.

[@banana1379]

Cyclops is a great hero, but all M4 lineups up till now consists of tanky heroes, roamers, and assassins that can easily burst, lockdown, and reach the enemy backline. And if the enemy team considers cyclops as a threat, he'll get deleted.

[@yudhistirahuang9117]

This is why global ban in international tourney is necessary. But before this is implemented, le moonton should balance every single hero to do so. But it seems moonton dev lacks of moba experience, and always care about what most fish kids say. Please moonton, build a R&D team only for balancing patch. Chose those communities that have done alot of researches, build test, damage test, for example, Hororo Chan community and maybe other better community rather than those simply survey in game (which most of fish kids will participate). Better quality survey will be resulted from community with better mindset and better understanding of Mobile Legend as an international competition game. Change the franchise MPL system, make it like PUBG or PUBGM, any new teams can participate, so tournaments are fun to watch. Make tournaments different from ranked 5 man games, make it harder than ranked games, because it is high tier tournament right, especially M4 (so called world competition, but all we see is ph id domination which is boring to watch). Please moonton welcomed every continents, like from europe, support european by organizing MPL there (please not franchised). Established MPL (again not franchise) in Japan and Korea. I am so sure, alot of gameplay variants will be shown by doing this way.

[@aashemhafiz5467]

Bring back the silent video 😭

[@muhammadridha585]

3:34 wp leomord

[@eyugo8837]

when i heard about global ban for m4 i was excited, thingking not just only a meta heroes will be pick, but it is just rumor 😄

[@eulcimaine1134]

rank is different from official tournaments so it doesn't even matter how good you are on a certain hero

[@gowthamprakaash1409]

If anyone will take him, that'll be wise. Because he sometimes picks out of meta like Kimmy. But everyone else sticks to the meta.

[@sonusingha7307]

Wow Voice is there 😼

[@Myticalcattnip]

There is no reason to play cyclop cuz 1.all BLCK player still use old strategy 2.RRQ hero being picked by professional trainer Seems like onic is the hope for this hero shine

[@yhangalano]

maybe if they bring back the old 2nd skill so he can easily burst enemy.he don't much edge compare to other meta mage hero except for his ult but that to can be dodge by new heroes.

[@isenggamingg]

Not as burst as Pharsa and Lunox, or good debuff in team fight like Yve. If group stage match system is Bo3, I think Cyclops still has a chance to be played.

[@ESquare_Plays]

I'm also a cyclops main and I also want to see cyclops in m4 being picked. Cyclops is strong if played well, but I'll be honest this hero has become my main because I'm a solo que player and cyclops is really good in solo que. My point is cyclops is strong but he is not into those kinds of team fights that we can see in m4.

[@johnyngwiequina7225]

following u since 2017

[@wz4325]

Even alice are gone now Haha i saw your comment "bv b" 🤔 hmmmm

[@SirenMeow]

Me hoping for a Odette or Floryn or an Edith pick 😞

[@izaiaa8328]

bruh, it's my first time hearing this voice

[@izaiaa8328]

i thought it's not u bro 😭

[@johnhalvillaruel2131]

It won’t be impossible to see him as a jungler in M4. We’ve already seen a Lunox Jungle. I just don’t think he’s viable as a mid laner because 1. He lacks AOE damage. 2. He lacks zoning capabilities. 3. His only source of CC is his ulti

[@hskdjh421]

Mages that are being picked in M4 are mostly teamfight-oriented or a pick-off burst type. Cyclops is neither of the two. But he's still good in solo ranks, I guess.

[@reiiz9942]

The only way to bring cyclop to meta is to return his old second skill where the damage is burst instead of one by one orb.

[@Zor1807]

Oky leo...we don't see that

[@gameoflife9147]

yeah.. I miss 10s gaming that use non meta heroes in M1..

[@diamondpearl5483]

Actually, most of these m4 meta heroes can counter with non meta heroes but no one cares about this. We all know faramis is the best counter for gloo but not every single match is used. Actually, Hanabi is also useful pick but no one used in m4. The only way to counter Karrie's passive is massive HP tank is still possible but they didn't used hylos or belerick. The only thing that the players in m4 think only meta patches' buff, not the counter.

[@danthovict381]

Not a chance, picking cyclops mean asking suicide. No escape mechanism, his ult can be avoid easily for enemy jungler, his second skill attack randoms target so it kind a useless in team fight. Picking cyclops means you are serving free foods for enemy assassin. Not mention in tournament mean every player are having high mechanic, dont ever troll picking.

[@barryanderson5630]

NO, it will make him very popular which in turn will cause LOTS of nerfs

[@yeppthathp]

I only hate that when we use 2nd skill it waits for like 0.8 or 1 sec before hitting any target....

[@faturc3h]

yesterday onic pick moskov

[@ced6646]

Wise can pull this one off, but I think this finals they will stick to their usual picks.

[@tarooooooo9970]

2:37 LMFAOOOOO angela: dumbass midlaner hororo: ok 😭i love fighting back against trashtalkers by being so nonchalant and not caring a single bit abt any of the ssh)t they say

[@xizumix]

Hororo really used 50 dias/CCticket just to use cyclops on creation camp and put no cd just to use it for the picture of cyclops with many balls.😂

[@akumaninjahanzo4282]

It's edited 🗿🗿bruh

[@-cukii__pandaa-5968]

U can just go to training and spam no cd with s2

[@bagussetiawan6037]

Lets go!!! This hero makes me WS 17 times, i only use cyclops until 400 points. Lmfao 💀

[@heisenbergstratos7522]

Wise help this guy here for once

[@multatuli1]

Vote +1

[@JoyceGem]

I was thinking the same! But sadly they only have a select pool of mages that they deem "M4-worthy" shessh :(

[@layerislive]

aoe high and cc high mages are rlly m4 worthy

[@basicentertainment10]

I love the idea of what your talking about. They choose people for squads who are limited to 3-5 heroes in there role

[@gameoflife9147]

what about make a rule that the team can only use a hero one time thoughout the tournament.. so they forced to make strategy to use 115 heroes throughout the tournament..

[@medusartscpm6143]

@@gameoflife9147 ngl I would watch all the tournaments if that was a thing. only to see different strats that different teams have

[@HumanBeing-ps8vg]

@@gameoflife9147 did you mean global ban? That would pretty neat as we can see more variety of heroes instead of the same 25 heroes

[@gameoflife9147]

@@HumanBeing-ps8vg yes, global ban for a team, they can not use hero that they already using before.. so you can only use a hero one time troughout the turnament..

[@dorzlee6606]

M4 contestants: How about no.