How I improved the Gan 356 XS in 10 minutes | Sometimes Less Is More

[@alexshih3747]

You're killing it with the recent uploads. They always have good points that have never been brought up before in discussing these cubes.

[@cyoubx]

I'm sorry I didn't go with your title suggestion. Please don't unsubscribe

[@alexshih3747]

@@cyoubx What if I unsubscribe and then resubscribe? ;)

[@cyoubx]

@@alexshih3747 That would be acceptable.

[@yatharthjain5479]

@@cyoubx yeah ur logical . As logical as cubehead lmoa

[@gelcubes3860]

why do i lowkey want him to make his own brand of cubes😳

[@fatherfilth3784]

Well, you can buy a CX3 that he designed although it’s quite old

[@Johan-ev2gu]

Alternative title: *_"I ruin the reputation of every cubing company: Ep. 3"_*

[@teamspirit6400]

Yo he's not ruining any reputation...he is just pointing out major flaws and fixes to them. aaaand he is mainly talking about Gan and not every cubing company lol

[@Johan-ev2gu]

@@teamspirit6400 I know he's not ruining gan's reputation, it was just a joke. I created that series name in the video about the Dayan Tengyun V2.

[@noahdomingo1162]

I think cyoubx makes some really good points, but his points don't make me think that those mechanisms are necessarily worse than the traditional screw-spring, but just ones made for convenience, with the trade-off being the "lack" of options. It isn't an issue for me, but it could actually be an issue for someone else, but it really depends on how someone uses it or if you just like to set up cubes.

[@carterwiesner9960]

Stfu

[@MCubes]

Cyoubx: Less is more Me, an intellectual: More is less *stares intensely at Gan cube*

[@puzo89gaming26]

Hello,👋

[@MCubes]

Puzo Production sup

[@puzo89gaming26]

Wa sup bro?

[@yuxinlittlemagic]

@@puzo89gaming26 and the conversation ends

[@DanaYi13]

Cyoubx: Less is more Me (a musical nerd): "More is always better" (from Mean Girls)

[@ricoF]

YO!

[@ACEthetics.]

Omg Dana!!!!

[@AaPerm]

Wow

[@BambooNtertainmentIsEpic]

@@ricoF yo yo yo yo yooy

[@BambooNtertainmentIsEpic]

also Jperm: this is too much stuff *chucks everything on the floor

[@ExistentialShrimp]

How much would a set of those center pieces be?

[@royalbrawler9175]

Cyoubx, i hope u see this! I just wanted to let you know that you are such an inspiration to me. I really like hands on things, and how things work, and I guess someday i want to be an engineer! I guess I want to be like u, a cuber, an engineer, and an innovator! You are the BEST

[@cubixwizard3930]

I would definitely be interested in getting a set mostly because with the screw and spring design, it can allow more room internally for me to experiment with center to edge magnets I know it's not for everyone but I personally like the idea and it give me something fun to do 😁

[@thomassarmiento5638]

We demand those center caps to be mass produced, most people need them, personally I don’t have and x or xs, but some of my friends have had the same problem, and this would be a really smart way to fix it, thanks Cyoubx for your everlasting wisdom

[@teamspirit6400]

This is why we need cyoubx in the community. And I would appreciate it if this was mass produced! I would surely purchase this!

[@siddhantdhankani1001]

Which cube are u most satisfied with??

[@sirchicken1330]

I love your analytical look on the GAN tensioning system from an engineering point of view. ♥️ It's obvious that you know what you are talking about. And the best in my opinion: you don't just rant about GAN but you offer a solution. Well done! I'm interested in the center pieces.

[@adrianchen9891]

This is why Cyoubx is a cubing engineer guys. This guy is a genius.

[@ricoF]

I agree with Albert. Less is more. Like The Qiyi MS 3x3, It may have no tensioning tools or magnet Adjustments, But It Has A Great Value of price And Is way better and no extra trash.

[@dibyashubhroroy945]

Mf3rs3m2020 is better that have same price (in India at least)

[@anshumanagrawal346]

@@dibyashubhroroy945 I Checked Yesterday It Wasn't Available In India, Where Did You Find It. I Believe It's Not On Cubelelo Yet

[@dibyashubhroroy945]

@@anshumanagrawal346 go to New release in cubeleleo, available for pre release name :mfjsrs3m

[@dibyashubhroroy945]

@@anshumanagrawal346 if u search directly u won't find go to New release (use code lovecube05 for 5% off)

[@yatharthjain5479]

@@dibyashubhroroy945 yo bro buy from cubicle

[@VKCUBED]

Gan wants to hire this guy

[@ronaldomoia]

why dont you swap the core and the nuts from the green to the black one?

[@vinesthemonkey]

"when a nobody like me can fix cubes" wait didnt this guy work at maru as a cube designer?

[@elliottperkins-speedcuber6727]

vinesthemonkey Yep, designed the cx3 iirc

[@rvka]

What's your opinion on spring adjustment systems? I know you don't like tensioning systems, and it means sense but personally I don't see anything wrong with spring systems

[@cyoubx]

Love them! MoYu and YJ are great.

[@rvka]

@Marcel Mayer Yeah I agree the ges system before the numerical one didn't have very good settings

[@rvka]

@Marcel Mayer Oh that's what ges pro is sorry can't keep up with the new names

[@rvka]

cyoubx OMG thanks for responding! I have a Gan 354m v1 and my nuts are stripping (the old ges system wasn't great either for that reason), so I'm trying my own mod by getting a monster go cube and swapping the cores so I can use reasonable tensions without the screws tightening themselves. Love your content it's very honest and you bring a fresh perspective.

[@lukashehler9901]

I cant cut 45 degrees on my XS with the standard core but i tried it with my 356 r core with that core the XS can cut even past 45 degrees

[@cat9448]

Can you just make a whole new gan xs with the 3d printer?

[@BrandonWong55]

Can you post the STL files?

[@JerryEboy69]

WOW, Cyoubx, the XS V2 is what you invented

[@Aerma]

I was skeptical before that the standard screw and spring design was objectively better, but this video changed my mind. Thanks :)

[@modal_derp]

I would add that a simple screw spring and the little moyu adjustment system is simpler and offers a bit more options. But not as sophisticated and inconsistent as gans

[@arnoldinho.mp4]

Question, would this work with the Gan X as well? My Gan X does not corner cut as good as others say too, and i'm really interested if this solution will help

[@exoticbutters2952]

Could you try putting the Vita core in the black cube to know for certain if there is some manufacturing variation with the core that resulted in the worse performance?

[@_sixtyfour]

Where can I buy one of your cubes for my firstborn child?

[@lumina_]

bruh what

[@_sixtyfour]

I can't believe I'm reply to a Glass of Milk.

[@_sixtyfour]

listen to what he says: 6:17

[@lumina_]

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[@RandomPerson-jd7cm]

is there a way to make center piece travel greater on the x????

[@didiseven]

I don't know if the point of the numerical IPG is consistency from one XS to another. I think more importantly, it's consistent with other sides of the same cube. So if you decide you like the 0.6 setting with 2nd click of spring compression, then you can set that to be identical for all 6 sides. You can also re-setup your cube to the exact same settings if you disassemble your cube for cleaning. I think that's a lot more relevant use case than people trying to match multiple XS cubes to each other.

[@nicholasholland256]

Dude you are such a great engineer. I have a stickerless xs and I use nut 2 rachet 4. And get great conercutting. I think you are on point.

[@porglomber]

Dude, i have the same tensions on my stickerless xs! And mine conercuts everywhere, with an amazing feel, and just how i like it.

[@penguinyen645]

How did the screw and spring work with the xs core?

[@trisfairy]

i have this exact same problem with a black 356x i just bought. the stickerless one i bought two years ago cuts corners like BUTTER, but for some reason the black one doesn't.

[@ugon.1211]

I'm going to ask again, have you ever try a gan 356 X ipg v5? With the old ges nuts. I think you would like.

[@JTiger1046]

Thoughts on other dual adjustment systems like the GTS3/WR system?

[@3dprintinglife]

Could you upload the file to thingiverse so I could use it?

[@CubingTube]

Which mic is that?

[@tymon_kolasinski]

make a tutorial on how to tension a cube with screws evenly

[@joaolopes9871]

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[@matti550]

You're not the only one who said the limited edition performing better. If only their was an engineer that could dive deeper into this.

[@thefireturkeys4919]

How the heck did get a screw and spring into the octopus core????

[@damianwilding]

Finally someone challenges Gans stupid design choices

[@plantutamecanicu6233]

How performs a gan 356 m with these caps?

[@Ephemerthefish2525]

How about the moyu tensioning system?

[@sirchicken1330]

Any update how to get these center pieces? I'm super interested in these.

[@21lhy]

Is Gan 369 your main?

[@cyoubx]

Of course

[@ancleboy7216]

Great video. I dont have a gan so i couldnt use the center piece but ive been looking for a specific puzzle for over 20yrs but no1 has it and no1 can find it. My only chance it to have 1 made. Its not a twisty puzzle and only 8pieces. Ive tried to have some1 3dprint it but it didnt turn out. I dont think they knew exactly what they were doing. Your center piece looks flawless. Can u help or maybe know some1 that can?

[@Zeta778]

Can we get it mass produce?

[@dax1177]

Kinda want some? How can I contact you to get some?

[@atharvavadeyar5157]

Would you consider sharing the design process for other people that are interested in recreating these screw+spring system for Gan Cubes?

[@TheDuctTapeCuber]

Would you be willing to upload the center piece files?

[@SpeedcubingCentralspeedcuber]

Just wondering would this be any good on a 356m?

[@iDunnoMC]

not if yours can already cut over 45 degrees

[@Hjerpower]

I would absolutely be interested in new caps, my XS has trouble corner cutting even less than 45°

[@pederwikheimaas2925]

do you think that a valk elite core and skew and springs would work in the xs? I love everything about the xs except the cutting

[@ChristianityExplained815]

My XS barely cuts line to line, I wish I had a 3D printer...

[@ChristianityExplained815]

@Marcel Mayer YOS

[@nancylin6448]

Hey cyoubx my valk 3 elite keep popping ,catching , corner twisting and the corner caps keeps opening can you make a video how to fix it

[@cyoubx]

Is this a real request? I can't tell

[@garyromero8352]

I haven't done anything to my XS and its corner cutting is great. I found that only the stickered XS's have this problem. All the stickerless XS's ive tried have good corner cutting

[@Bobby-ph3lr]

You can also use a set of the Old GES System from The Gan Air SM and its core in this XS

[@nicholasholland256]

Would love to try the center caps.

[@anm2x]

There's a problem with the Dayan Tengyun v1 where the corners on the cube are constantly loose and rattling no matter how much I tighten it or changed to stronger springs.

[@dibyashubhroroy945]

Same with qiyi warrior w

[@anm2x]

@Marcel MayerDid you swap it with the longer springs or the shorter springs?

[@anm2x]

@Marcel Mayer I also watched the same video but I couldn't understand whether Phil meant. Does thinner mean the the width or the height of the spring? And as for the longer (taller) springs, I got it mixed up with the default springs and I am having a hard time trying to tell them apart.

[@anm2x]

@Marcel Mayer Honestly I think it's the cube and not the springs because I've tried every single spring and even added additional washers but when I tried to piece the cube together with only the magnets attraction and no core there was a big gap between a single corner piece and edge piece. Kind of disappointing because I really liked the feel of the cube but this design issue makes me not want to use it.

[@anm2x]

@Marcel Mayer Thanks a lot for the advice. Btw do you have any idea how to differentiate the thinner springs that Phil recommended from the default springs because I accidentally mixed them together and they look identical to me.

[@_james.pw_]

Is it on thingiverse?

[@nicks8007]

I’m interested in these center pieces just I’d like to know if they’d work with a gan x

[@chewpaikgaik6607]

He mentioned that it would work on every Gan 356 cube(they all do have very similar designs), so yeah, it would

[@HogRider2]

did the black xs perforence possibly have anything to do with your "Frankenstein mod"

[@cyoubx]

I did the Frankenstein mod BECAUSE it wasn't performing.

[@HogRider2]

@@cyoubx yeah i was just wondering if it was making it more stable at the cost of the cornercutting and thats why the cornercutting was bad

[@brunosobczyk1589]

Maybe put the gts 3 blue thing to it

[@Wander_with_us]

You should make a GAN xs with the gts3m dual adjustment system

[@Nanonymous22]

Al fin una review comparando ambos cubos, gracias pete

[@eyecube1592]

Love your videos! I both own a GAN Air SM and a GAN XS. So far I am not really bothered by the performance but prices really do hurt. Hoping to see some budget cubes destroy these currently hyped cubes.

[@RealNaoh]

Even if that does happen, then why won’t that company make a flagship cube that is just an upgrade of the budget cube? At a high level small changes or deficiencies in performance can waste a lot of time. Example: the RS3M. Great, but the WRM 2020 is basically an upgrade for that. But when you’re not that fast, more top-tier cubes won’t affect you much, if at all.

[@m.reichmann7192]

amazing video, you made very valid points, now lets just hope gan doesnt sue you for being intelligent and making a video about altering gans design.

[@rishabhjoshi6097]

u have a calming voice

[@pilot645]

I'm interested in the pieces

[@fr0ge13]

Isn't the original better because it has less tension settings than a screw which has infinite (almost)

[@cyoubx]

The concept isn't bad. But the options need to cover a range of tensions that people need. For me, there was nothing loose enough.

[@fr0ge13]

Also if people didn't fix things that aren't broken, nothing would've progressed as much as it has

[@cyoubx]

@@fr0ge13 Yes, but there's a difference between trying new things and pushing half-baked products to market. I have no doubt there is a way to make a good dual-adjustment system, but this ain't it.

[@Randomastrophysicist]

Maybe yours had a defect?

[@shadowthecuber8736]

Why not try to combine the XS with the SM. Idk

[@ricklynch]

Well done! You could place the files on Thingiverse for people to download. If you do, please put the actual Solidworks file(s) and/or STEP, X_T, as well as the 3D printer STL file format. Thanks!

[@doodoostickstain]

i honestly am not sure why you have trouble with corner cutting. did you get a flawed cube? I believe you 100% when you say you had issues...maybe I got lucky with mine. it cuts from any angle. light blue set to 1 and 4.

[@charlesdaloz2547]

My XS can cut at 50° with de light blue nut on the tightest setting, and the 3rd tightest click for the transparent thing 🤔

[@iDunnoMC]

but Gan's factory mean that some can't and some can, which is the problem, with springs and screws it is harder to change but more consistent.

[@jcubez5298]

Honestly that’s amazing I used to have a xs and the corner cutting was terrible so I traded it for a x and that is now my main. You should definitely try to get the center pieces mass produced because I think they would really save the Gan xs

[@jaysonatienza1074]

I love this kind of videos, keep it up man

[@misterchess3254]

I lost my gan tentioning tool, but i have about 100 screwdrivers (most from moyu cubes), but now my xs is stuck with close to no cornercutting, so this is a really good idea, i would buy it

[@pederwikheimaas2925]

will the gan x v1 core work in the xs?

[@cyoubx]

Yes.

[@pederwikheimaas2925]

cyoubx thanks bro.

[@saltlauren9888]

Agreed. I've never been able to corner cut on my Gan XS which is amazing because it's the most expensive cube I've ever bought.

[@jacobnokes]

I need these centers

[@travellerschosen1408]

Forget gan xs, what about gan 356 m ges nuts with only 2 tensions

[@travellerschosen1408]

Yes but they all have the same tensions, just different elasticity

[@FouseQuentin]

I love the gan 356 xs as it is.

[@FouseQuentin]

And I even use the tensioning system.

[@peterzaitzev8310]

You’re totally right. I can’t cut my GAN XS. The MoYu RS3M+ is now my main!

[@mr_mic2685]

"Less is more", is that a Taeha Types reference?

[@nathanchen7359]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but moyu's dual adjustment system is not used to make reproducible tensions, but to make it so that u can change either the flexibility and the pressure on the spring (turning the screw head), or to change JUST the pressure on the spring (using the plastic blue thing). This allows you to make your cube faster or slower without sacrificing the stability of your cube (flexing, corner cutting). I'm getting an xs soon, so I will see if this is the case for the ges system, or if you are right and it is essentially useless.

[@cyoubx]

I LOVE MoYu's system. That's how it should be done. The spring compression systems in modern cubes are great! I don't like this center piece travel distance nonsense though.

[@nathanchen7359]

@@cyoubx is the center piece travel distance the thing from moyus where u can do the two separate adjustments like I mentionedv in the comment?

[@akumunashi3700]

Tbh I think the x has a better ges system than the xs

[@sithikagardi6181]

Bro i was literally gonna go and press the "proceed to checkout button", now what cube should i get? X v2?

[@savionicbond]

Nahh, X v2 Sucks even more

[@sithikagardi6181]

@@savionicbond wait how, its smoother and i like that its heavier

[@savionicbond]

Sithika Gardi The cornerpiece breaks so easily, leo preferred the xs than the x, leo didn’t set any records with the x too. Leo’s X also broke HAHAHAAHAH

[@SpeedcubingCentralspeedcuber]

probably monster go m or 356 m. The reason I say that is because the X, XV2, XS, air pro m are all overpriced and overhyped.

[@savionicbond]

Speedcubing Central 356m is basically an X, without the interchangeable magnets

[@CK113th121]

my xs can't corner cut 45 degree

[@M3ko2]

At first, we used to think that these types of innovations made great leaps, but then we are now regressing from it, as in truth, these are just gimmicks of convenience in exchange for the essentials of performance. But it's just that many new cubers will just suck it up as the "best leaps in hardware history" from GAN, so this one, and the rest in this line of objective videos, will help reenlighten many 🙏

[@DSCuber-28-01-2019]

Can upload the center piece design into thingiverse

[@1balck123]

Ik sorry if im being annoying but when will the giveaway winners be anounced for the monster go cube becouse you never specified.

[@cyoubx]

Check the MonsterGO video. Winner was announced and pinned.

[@1balck123]

@@cyoubx ok thank you

[@removehandlesplease]

Now let's wait to see what system the pyraminx has!

[@niccolovanheteren311]

Good vid. But i think you could have made a stronger point bij buying another black xs, demonstrating that the problem is not just with your xs.

[@dpage446]

I think this is why they're releasing cubes like the 356 Air M

[@ZyeCubing]

Yes please get these mass produced!!!!! My gan xs can’t corner 65 too :(

[@eternalrewind2190]

The tension system isn't to make the tension even on all sides it's to make the pieces more elastic will having lose or tight tensions.

[@qbing411]

i personally didn't like the Gan XS ootb and i still don't like it no matter how i try to set it up...I'm definitely gonna try this out tho

[@Kranox]

I think it'd be awesome to be able to get a set of those center pieces. I think if you did, it'd also be beneficial to show people how to set up even tensions (something I, and others no doubt have issues doing consistently) Really surprised that it only took ~10 minutes to mock it up in Solidworks though (maybe I'm just bad at CAD though lol)

[@iFr3shDevil]

I think instead of how much corner cutting it can do, it should be what is reasonable size of corner cut and how easy is it to corner cut? Here the xs in my opinion does very well because if u have a large corner cut of 45 degrees your turning needs some work. Being able to corner cut a lot but needed some effort isnt good because in a real solve you will turn much lighter than when you’re testing corner cuts. But yes the new ges is stupid lol

[@cyoubx]

Yeah, totally agree! But I also show the cube struggling to cut line to line, which isn't super unreasonable during TPS spam.

[@iFr3shDevil]

cyoubx yea :PPPP still some massive flaws in cube designs that were problems years ago but still present today

[@cube3x315]

Im glad Gan fixed all this in the 11 Pro

[@RedNocturne]

I think another big problem with GAN cubes is that there is a demonstrable difference in performance between their stickered and stickerless cubes.