I have had this Cz Po9 for almost two years and I love it. I love everything except for its reliability. After 5000 rounds fired, the Po9 has shown 3 major problems that turn me off from considering it has a duty firearm.
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@christophersmay4508 Жыл бұрын
Changes springs, blames gun. Puts bent spring back in, blames gun, dryfires thousands of times, blames gun. Doesn't send gun into CZ for warranty work, blames gun. 😂
@nicab125 ай бұрын
First gun, He spent around $1200, 5000 rounds…abuses this pistol…should have bought a $1200 gun
@facerapi2920Ай бұрын
I blame the olight 😂
@ReyesFL2 жыл бұрын
Something tells me there’s more to the story here. I never seen these kind of issues on any P09 and P07
@HennesseyNCigarz8 ай бұрын
Me either i have 2 of both
@kevinsmith72932 жыл бұрын
CZ makes excellence products and I love their pistols, that's why I own 6 different models of them currently. However, if you dry fire often and put significant amounts of rounds through certain models of pistols you will see these issues for sure, its part of owning pistols. I have owned pretty much every type of CZ pistol since 1987 . With particular models you could experience firing pin retaining pin breakage and trigger reset/return spring breakage. Several after market kits provide upgrades which do provide longer life at inexpensive prices and enhance reliability.
@jamescruse35442 жыл бұрын
Dumb comment.
@82lowe36id3 жыл бұрын
It is known among CZ shooters that you need to dry fire with an oring between the hammer and firing pin. It is a negative for sure and many new gun owners will not know and damage the pin. The CGW pin is an upgrade, but still need to use an oring. If these issues are happening on a stock gun, give CZ a call and let them take care of it for you. They have great service. I have three P09 handguns and all have been 100% reliable with many rounds through them.
@gtviewer3 жыл бұрын
How about a foam disposable ear plug to cushion the hammer to firing pin
@82lowe36id3 жыл бұрын
@@gtviewer yep works great as well
@jmacfirearms36723 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the insight!
@lokiamir50292 жыл бұрын
There’s supposed to be a dummy round with a green dampener in the box for dry firing practice
@trinitygregg30606 ай бұрын
So dummy rounds don’t work for CZs? As far as longevity goes I mean
@Mikedoc523 жыл бұрын
The reason you haven't heard of these problems from others is probably because they are rare.
@blacklilac14082 жыл бұрын
They are only "rare" in the us. The P07&9 is a service pistol over seas.
@warweaponx66292 жыл бұрын
It’s not rare. I’ve had this problem and many others have as well. These guns in stock form are not reliable for EDC or HD. Sucks because it’s a great looking gun with awesome ergos.
@aishefasani56352 жыл бұрын
@@warweaponx6629 Pure Disinformation. This is VERY rare, guy. CZ P-07, CZP-09, and CZs in general are some of the best shoot and reliable handguns ever produced. How dare you say such hogwash about CZ pistols. You guys always spread these disinformation comments and videos which become viral and give good products a bad rap.
@warweaponx66292 жыл бұрын
@@aishefasani5635 There are countless videos and post from people with these know issues. Your post is ridiculous and purely emotional driven. These guns are not fit for hard duty use in stock form. That is a fact backed up by plenty of examples.
@aishefasani56352 жыл бұрын
@ WARWEAPONX Countless videos where people have installed aftermarket springs incorrectly, attempted to insufficiently work on their internals, etc. And then they do what? Blame the gun. Limp-wristing? Blame the gun. FTF/FTE problems with recycled ammo? Blame the gun. Over powder round disaster due to incompetent hand loading? Blame the what...gun. 27+years I've seen and heard your kind a lot lol. You may be emotional and projecting as your other comments seems to be personal and go away from topics.
@CynaOlow3 жыл бұрын
I am far from blaming the mods applied to the trigger mechanism, but mine has almost that much rounds through it and there is not a trace of any problems you have mentioned. Except mine is 100% stock.
@jmacfirearms36723 жыл бұрын
All of my problems occurred around the same time which was what frustrated me enough to make a video on it. I may have a lemon, or I may have beat on it worse than most people would. The argument for the modification being the problem is definitely a strong one for sure!
@bloodymarvelous47902 жыл бұрын
@@jmacfirearms3672 CGW is known for its quality parts though. I doubt it's a single thing that caused the issues. Probably a combination of factors which causes the malfunctions. Or indeed a lemon...
@DDDYLN3 ай бұрын
@@bloodymarvelous4790I've received lemon pistols in the past. It happens, and it's frustrating.
@morgizmo8711 күн бұрын
The p07/09 is issued as a duty gun all over the world and has been for over a decade, but first time gun owner abuses gun and says its not qualified for duty use… You can have problems with any make/model you abuse, glock included. Dry fire on a snap cap. You should expect to change recoil/ trigger springs at regular intervals, like changing oil/filters in your car. 3000-5000 rounds is a common guideline for this maintenance.
@johnmerritt10944 ай бұрын
Consider talking to Cz about this issue? Considering the P09 has been used and is still being used as a duty weapon in both military and Leo applications in several countries, perhaps you hit one of the few lemons that can come out of any mass produced product. Hav several Cz models including a p09 with well over 5 k rounds and have had zero issues. Totally surprises me.
@RammsteinDevoted2 жыл бұрын
An interesting review, I’m nudging the 4k mark with mine and it’s fully stock with not so much as a single failure so far whether it’s factory or my handloads. I have heard of others encountering similar issues with their trigger return spring but maybe mine is a unicorn who knows. Might order myself some extra parts and springs just in case. Thanks for the insight.
@Sigfofosauer3 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for a P09. They're well known for it's reliability. I hope you can fix all those issues for good!. Thanks for your honest review.
@jmacfirearms36723 жыл бұрын
@Buttbanging Trannyliberal I care about a duty handgun having parts break at the range. If it cannot hold up at the range then how will it do in the field
@jmacfirearms36723 жыл бұрын
The P09 is amazing and it is definitely a great buy! I did fix all of my issues and the gun runs like a champ again!
@Sigfofosauer3 жыл бұрын
@@jmacfirearms3672 I'm glad to hear that! I got my P09 by now. Smooth shooter!!
@fullnelson30282 жыл бұрын
on the other hand it would be pretty intimidating to your enemies to shoot at them with your gun upside down
@VoyagingVoyager3 жыл бұрын
I have seen many guns made unreliable by filling them with aftermarket parts, I have to wonder if that’s what’s going on here. I would contact CZ.
@whereswaldo57402 жыл бұрын
I have witnessed that as well
@jorgearmas9310 Жыл бұрын
Same here
@rkpagano Жыл бұрын
This being your first handgun you should not believe all the hype out there that there are pistols that will not have issues. Maintaining pistols including springs is required especially at high round count. Dont delude yourself in thinking other pistols will not need maintenance. The trigger bar spring can wear and needs to be adjusted. A lot of people adjust that spring to make a trigger lighter and it’s not really needed by the way I’ve got way over 5000 rounds in one of my P0 sevens. I upgraded the springs after a couple thousand rounds and the firing pin retaining pin, and I’ve never had a malfunction of any kind through that firearm
@DDDYLN3 ай бұрын
Please get the pistol fixed, and do a follow up review.
@michaelhawkins1174 Жыл бұрын
5,000+ rds threw my p09 have never had 1 issue.
@joem527 Жыл бұрын
Ngl to have to replace a few parts after 5000 rounds isn’t exactly the most unreasonable thing I’ve ever heard, many people replace barrels and or springs on guns after that many rounds imo
@luked276718 күн бұрын
No idea CZ USA. It's best to check everything, but I do a trigger job on everything and wought highly recommend the CZ 0.8mm lighter return spring, I pretty much polish everything and use compounds on parts that I don't want to fly off anywhere. I would highly recommend getting aftermarket parts from CZ or other CZ pistols company's in Chezia (or IMI parts of the fit) when I got mine I did a trigger job as in polished alot of parts but even internal parts, but on any CZ I replace the pin with a solid one with high tense strength. Not much work and less than 20 dollars in parts you can get these to some of the best pistols, But you realy don't want to mess with putting in lighter main and slide springs as that's when real problems start happening. As with any weapon, even AKs you should check the springs every so often and you should always clean any firearm you depend on after shootingx it does not take long, also use the correct lubricants. As for me I've gone though over 2k (the majority being low quality ammo as in steel case and reman, by doing a while trigger job and making the gun alotndkoother I did not really need to break it in much. I've changed springs that should be changed every 1k, cleaned and lined it properly. I've only ever had one failure but it was when shooting some very cheap reman, the round did not go off but when I pulled the trigger another time it did and when I looked at the case the primer was in way too deep. I don't know why CZ ships with weak pins (some are fine after many rounds but some get beat up quickly so it's so ething I allways replace. The only part Inrecomend people that shoot slot keep and eye on is the slide stop as that does take a beating but if it's made properly it's fine.
@richdouche82533 жыл бұрын
Interesting.... Were the trigger failures on the factory CZ springs, or the CGW aftermarket springs that were installed?
@jmacfirearms36723 жыл бұрын
After the CGW parts. But the trigger return spring failure is a common thing across cz’s
@xc9863083 жыл бұрын
I experienced the same trigger reset issue. The real cause is the disconnector has too much play sideways, it blocks trigger bar from coming up/resetting. I was able to reproduce the problem when having the slide removed & tilting the frame to right when dry firing. Luckily this does not happen in live firing.
@simnikiwegaleni76673 жыл бұрын
You have yourself to blame. SNAPCAPS!!! Replacing your trigger spring every 5K rounds has to be done on your recoil springs also.
@jmacfirearms36723 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right on the snapcaps. Like I said in the video it was my first handgun so I did not understand the importance of snapcaps
@ninemimesleft3 жыл бұрын
@@jmacfirearms3672 I'm still waiting on my the government to allow me to bring home my CZ, but I got a little laser snapcap to dryfire with in my hellcat. It's really cool. I can pull the trigger and the striker hits a button that activates the laser so I can see where I would've hit.
@charlesbeall2589 Жыл бұрын
Using snap caps for training/dry-firing is nothing more than common sense.
@Joshuaalan21 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this info. Do you still own the gun? Still problems ?
@chrisragone87852 ай бұрын
I’m trying to get clarification here. After you replaced the trigger return spring and firing pin positioning pin with Cajun Gunworks parts did you have any further problems? How many more rounds have you fired through the gun after installing the Cajun Gunworks parts? Before you had problems with the trigger bar spring was it removed or bent by you trying to tune it? Did you eventually replace the trigger bar support spring with a Cajun Gunworks part? Did that fix the issue? How many rounds have you fired after the repair?
@1brotha2anutha927 ай бұрын
After the first couple of thousand, might want to replace somethings. Nothing especially springs are lifetime.
@PolishX2 жыл бұрын
You keep talking about duty weapons but 99% of agencies when it comes to duty weapons you aren't allowed to swap out parts for "custom parts" and there is a reason for this, legality, QC etc. It honestly sounds like you created your own problems with tinkering with something that runs fine when left stock.
@PETENEMEC2 жыл бұрын
I have one of these and been shooting it for a number of years no problem.
@chrisragone87852 ай бұрын
Is the hole in the frame where the trigger bar support spring goes damaged?
@Ironhand187 Жыл бұрын
I just bought a CZ p09 and immediately had the same dead trigger which I think is caused by the trigger bar spring.
@HennesseyNCigarz8 ай бұрын
Firing pin’s don’t just stick out of a gun. You know how many lawsuits that would lead to? I think you’re not telling the people everything about your situation
@chrisragone87852 ай бұрын
We’re all these failures on the stock springs/parts or aftermarket parts?
@shaneosborne5426 Жыл бұрын
My favorite part of this is oh the rolled pin broke. 5,000 ROUNDS LATER SOMETHING BROKE. 😂
@jcorlo22372 жыл бұрын
You done something you're not telling us lol. Stop playing gunsmith when you dont know wtf you're doing smh
@HennesseyNCigarz8 ай бұрын
Im Glad you said it
@DDDYLN3 ай бұрын
It comes with a snap cap in the box for a reason. And anyone who puts that many rounfs through a pistol, would likely need to get it gunsmithed. No one else seems to have these issues with the P-09.
@yesihavebedbugs2786 Жыл бұрын
My stock P09 I am about 10k thru it. Went to the range today in fact. 300 rounds and not a hiccup. Only issue i have ever had was ammo related. Same ammo in another weapon caused the same issue. It's why i had the CZ out today in fact. Along with an M&P 2.0 and Sig Legion P320. Testing ammo across several guns to make sure it performs in anything i might load it in too. Going to say you probably just got a bad spring. It might "be in tolerance", but at the outer edge of tolerances. Two mating. Parts each within their respective tolerances can easily suffer an issue is they are both at opposite ends of tolerance. You said you do not see a lot of videos on it. Because it is not common. If it was common. Lime the P320 issue a few years back. EVERYONE would have done a video on it. And that you made changes to the weapon are as likely a cause as the weapon itself. Most finicky 1911 I have. Is also the most expensive and tightest tolerances. Some ammo it will not cycle at all. Whereas a $400 Rock Island eats everything. AK v M16. AK runs through anything. M16 much less tolerant of conditions. But it is a better shoting more accurate platform than the AK is.
@Chingus6962 жыл бұрын
So no snap cap with this gun is just how it is and pre purchase research should have led you to something else if you didn’t like it.
@jeremyconner667110 ай бұрын
I would never dry fire any pistol 1000's of times without snap caps. That's asking for problems with the firing pin.
@chrispike88793 жыл бұрын
Turns upside down and dry fires over and over so I'm not sure the gun is the issue
Don't dry fire hammer fired guns that's why it comes with a snap cap
@muffinatordlux2 жыл бұрын
Hey man.. My follow up review? Seems you the only dude done so much and a review
@chrisragone87852 ай бұрын
Even if you replaced the Firing Pin Positioning Pin ($5), Trigger Return Spring ($7), and Trigger Bar Support Spring ($3.50) every 5k rounds that’s only $15.50 total and 10 minutes to do. Easy
@claytoncarter40712 жыл бұрын
Yea..with all do respect you can't even tell if it's the gun or you. You said you've changed basically everything out in the gun to after market parts,( which is the #1 one reason good guns become unreliable from after market parts put in by shade tree gunsmiths. If you really watched his video 1st you would have known about the dry firing and the roll pin. So you apparently just did it anyways??? Yeah idk. But what we have here is a gun with all its stock parts out and the owner does exactly what your supposed to not do. Kind of hard to judge the gun itself at this point.
@jianlim2636 Жыл бұрын
I'm using P09 in our local IPSC division, stock springs suck I'm at 10,000 rounds with modified springs no problem so far
@footnotedrummer7 ай бұрын
No disrespect intended, but if you abuse something over and over, it can't be expected to play nice. I fear that you'd have these issues with almost any handgun. It would be interesting to see you review another of your guns with the same round count put through it, and see where it stacks up.
@lotekchapra2 жыл бұрын
Ive only ever had malfunctions when not using higher velocity rounds.
@lotekchapra2 жыл бұрын
I've also never have had any of these issues.
@OscarRodriguez-ur6ky Жыл бұрын
Que cambie a modo manual ahi no se ocupa ese resorte.
@Milkman35720009 ай бұрын
I am impressed with your round count. Plus dry firing... obviously time for a refresh. You must really like the gun or you wouldnt have so many rounds thru it. I'd never be able to fire a Glock that many times, I dislike that trigger. What is the factory warranty on CZ guns? Looks to be 5 years.....fyi.
@GunBoss1776 Жыл бұрын
Bro, my came with a snap cap with replacement soft cushions
@TheGunz4u2 жыл бұрын
How does the slide stop pin look. I’d like to see. I’m up there on my round count and have no clue how many but it’s a bunch. My pin i very shiny and I can see some wear. Been thinking about buying an extra one and a extractor and guid rod spring
@metatronmen2431 Жыл бұрын
5000 rounds is about the right time for a modern handgun show some aging, they are not made to last a lifetime anymore, all the CZ products have MIM internals and in MIM is not the same as a machined piece of steel, in MIM you get whatever they melted that day so durability and reliability is a gamble the experience going to be a divided opinion. I customized one with Cajun parts as well, works fine but I have only around 1000 rounds on it.
@austincortez5784 Жыл бұрын
I had the exact same trigger problems with my p09 about 500 rounds in but my p07 work great about 1500 rounds into it.
@brianjones11513 жыл бұрын
I call Bollocks on this one !!
@bloodymarvelous47902 жыл бұрын
What I don't get is, if your spring is bent, why not get a new one? Once it's bent it's gonna cause issues.
@rodrigoaugustodiegues34683 жыл бұрын
you have already reported this to the cz facttory .what did they say
@JSTAR585 Жыл бұрын
Still dry firing it and messing up that roll pin retaining firing pin.
@Chingus6962 жыл бұрын
Do t blame the gun when you’re changing parts…. Send it into cz
@davidbuldini838510 ай бұрын
What standard do you have if this is your first gun? Opinions of a first gun owner are like shit, everyone had some! Stop putting after market parts in your fire arms and blaming a manufacturer. 5000 rounds and how many dry fires, 10k 20k everything wears out, springs pins slides! Replace worn parts, purchase a new gun, mostly stop giving opinions from ignorance, when you have five ten twenty years of gained knowledge, you might have something to share with someone!!
@aishefasani56352 жыл бұрын
Never had an issue with any of my CZ over the many years I have owned them...including my P-09. There are factors that have been left out here.
@sexgecko473 Жыл бұрын
I was shooting some 9mm 115gr jhp rounds through my CZ P09 and it kept jamming. Can anyone explain why?
@Catgat37 Жыл бұрын
Some guns don't like certain hollowpoints. Gotta test different ammo.
@sexgecko473 Жыл бұрын
@@Catgat37 yeah I figured out it was just the ammo.
@Goodvibesandfood4 ай бұрын
It can be the recoil spring. 07 and 09 have pretty light springs.
@codyruley3440 Жыл бұрын
I have a few Cz and this is never a problem very rare issue you had happen…ether contact Cz or go switch back to stock and take your problem up with Cajun gun works not Cz my man and not talked about because doesn’t happen only when swapping random parts in and out just go stock and won’t have a issue again
@codyruley3440 Жыл бұрын
To add Cajun works has warranty’s on all these stuff as do Cz I think you just had a fluke or something else went on I hope it works out for ya but I’m over 10k and not a single issue on any of the 5 I own but there’s always a chance with any weapon any brand ya know..
@southeastwhitetails Жыл бұрын
If you say "i replaced the trigger in my Glock to get a 3 lbs pull and a great reset" the response is... that's because Glock sucks. If you say "I replaced parts in my CZ because they broke the response is "how dare you doubt that CZ pistols are shit straight out of a unicorn's ars and shoot rainbows out of the barrel reliably." Oh and I own the p09 with a manufacturer date of 2022. No issues yet but MIM parts are a crap shoot and CZ doesn't make guns that are above challenge when one breaks. Oh and just to ensure that someone gets butt hurt... this would never happen with a Glock.
@shawnsanders94509 ай бұрын
Apples to Oranges. This would never happen to a P10f or P10C either which are striker fired DAO pistols like Glock. I own Glocks and CZ's and the P10 series is literally just as good or better than Glocks for less money. Also, this kid just didn't know not to dry fire that model without snap caps or something. He straight admitted to dry firing that pistol a bunch and while yes the Glock won't have issues after 1000's and 1000's of dry fires without snap caps or something neither will the P10. To my knowledge almost all single action hammer fired CZ's can't handle being dry fired without dummy rounds or something to cushion the hammer to firing pin hit. Before there was Glock there was the CZ 75B and trust me that pistol is a tank.
@southeastwhitetails9 ай бұрын
The trigger spring in the p07 and p09 are a weak part in these guns. Yes he should have used snap caps to cushion to hammer fall but this part will still break eventually even under normal use. I have both and have replaced the trigger return spring in both, no dry firing without the included snap caps that came with the gun and I fired live rounds way more than dry fire. The point was that CZ fanboys defend CZ like someone insulted their mothers. ALL manufactures and ALL guns have something that could have been done better.
@doughhandel5 ай бұрын
get a p30, you won't regret it
@garyrodman15833 жыл бұрын
Seems odd. I have a 9 and a 40 and not one problem at all
@bloodymarvelous47902 жыл бұрын
Don't know why it seems odd. I've driven my car over 120k miles without an issue, others with the same make and model have had several issues with fewer miles on the odometer. Every gun is different, and some may malfunction sooner than others.
@warweaponx66292 жыл бұрын
This is the exact reason I dumped the CZ P09 and 07 platform and switched back to Glock for EDC and HD. Sucks because I love the look, feel, and ergos of it.
@warweaponx66292 жыл бұрын
And I started having these problems less than a 1000 rounds in.
@rkpagano Жыл бұрын
I have never had any of these issues and i had 12 at one time
@warweaponx6629 Жыл бұрын
@@rkpagano You have to shoot them to experience the failures.
@rkpagano Жыл бұрын
I probably have a whole lot more rounds through those guns, including probably close to 10,000 rounds through P07. In addition of tens of thousands around through Glock platform. I find that the CZ P0 seven and P0 nine are just as reliable with almost 0 issues, and absolutely zero failures. If you know how to maintain them properly. I do know that some of them from time to time will show up that have timing issues. I have not experienced this myself in over a dozen guns.
@skunkysmokes24782 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of the tactical press check
@bordersoldier2 жыл бұрын
This is not common
@PBSviaPNW3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. There are several commenters below who seem personally upset at you. Funny how people get so angry when another criticizes a gun they like
@OmanVice2 жыл бұрын
Yeah brother , I have to say it’s a hell of a firearm . Sucks you had those malfunctions.
@elliottbutts1532 жыл бұрын
I have many thousands of rounds thru my HK USP’s and P30’s and have never had any issues. So I would agree with you regarding the P 09it not being a “ duty pistol”. I like the P 09 too