DAB - Thai Sword vs. European Sword (feat. Bruderschaft der Askanier)

On September 16th 2017 A.D. we were invited by our friends from the Brotherhood of the Askanier to join them at this year's medieval fair at Ziesar castle in Germania. The mutually felt respect and everyones curiosity about each others sword fighting style lead to an interesting exchange of knowledge amongst warriors from different worlds .. and of course an encounter of our blades.
If you want to learn more about the Brotherhood of Askanier (Bruderschaft der Askanier e.V.) check out their website: www.bit.ly/Askanier
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[@seannewt0n]

Asian and European martial artists getting together to hang out is just always the most wholesome thing. It's odd that fighting people for fun makes you better friends, but I'm glad it does.

[@-kimtong580]

Krabi Krabong is a weapons-based martial art originating in Thailand. It began with the Siamese military and was used by warriors on the battlefield, often alongside Muay Boran. Warriors fought for survival, thus combat techniques at the time were especially deadly, utilizing spears, swords, knives and arrows. When unarmed, Krabi Krabong employs a variety of strikes, locks, holds, kicks and throws as well. If weapons broke for example, battle would resume using these deadly unarmed techniques. Krabi Krabong is therefore not merely some weapons exhibition, but rather a complete battlefield art teaching principles of deadly combat. It can further be applied to everyday self-defense, using everyday objects as weapons.

[@Pahuyuth]

Krabi Krabong (saber and staff) is a show and sports martial art that was invented during the reign of King Rama II (1809-1826 A.D.). Krabi Krabong has never been deployed in a warlike conflict. → pahuyuth.com/en/glossary/krabi-krabong/ Muay Boran (ancient Muay Thai) is a group of traditional seeming Thai fighting styles that were derived from Muay Thai at the end of the 20th century AD. Just like Krabi Krabong, Muay Boran has never been deployed in a warlike conflict. → pahuyuth.com/en/glossary/muay-boran/

[@allopez8563]

Armor made the difference thai fighters fought pratically naked

[@malesud]

No they’re wear cotton type gambeson mixed with deer or buffalo hide or rattan armor

[@nicholasthurmond4006]

@jakubkalinamalina what kind of films are you referring to? I love that type of stuff.

[@kuakulsommai4798]

@@nicholasthurmond4006 i'm not sure what movie he's talking about but there's a movie franchise in Thailand called "King Naresuan" which showcase a lot of Thailand weaponry and armour. you also see some of the Portuguese mercenary on both side in the movie. the movie is also true story

[@jamesdepotter6]

Kuakul Sommai There were also Japanese Samurai’s on the Thai Army

[@muayboran6111]

Simply not true, they used hardened leather and cloth. The mistake is made if you've never enter a rainforest. Let the usa be a lesson, the vietnamese knows their homeland front and back and if you wear anything heavy while menuveuring through thick and harsh forests, get ready for snakes, crocs, thorns, hyperthermia, and most importantly booby traps

[@justinians9367]

I love this kind of comparison id love to see practitioners frome every weapon art around the world compare notes i wish someone could have a big gathering like that

[@Pahuyuth]

A long time ago there used to be gatherings where warriors from many Southeast Asian styles met and shared their experiences in peace and freedom. Everyone brought food and beverages (mostly alcoholic) and neither weapons nor fighting were allowed. What was brought to these events was shared amongst friends and enemies alike, no matter if they had faced or would have to face each other on the battlefield. During these events they were all the same: Just warriors who celebrated being still alive.

[@justinians9367]

PAHUYUTH - The origin of Thai fighting thats magnificent id love to see a modern global verson of frome east to west

[@Souljainbattle]

I can see the European who's trying to say everything they have is superior

[@chaos_omega]

Fighting is fighting. It's the context of the situation that matters... and what you have prepared for. Thais used shields too, they are just not emphasized in modern training.

[@tingispingis]

The Thai guy is doing the same. It's really not a problem. You're the one making it a big deal

[@danielq888]

@Kalina Malina wrong, idiot

[@henryboleszny359]

Great video, thank you. Excellent followup (for me) to the "How to use a Thai sword scabbard". Comparing the two fighting styles raised great points, particularly about the influence of environment and origin of the blade. Subtitles were an excellent addition... my German is very rusty these days! LOL.

[@monkeyishi]

I enjoy watching the joy swords bring to people

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

What treatise do those guys train from? The alleged european swordsmen dont seem to know any european techniques.

[@monkeyishi]

its old school re-enactment style. its an off shoot from stage combat.

[@edwardkoo8564]

Love the the thai weapons.they seem to have more flexibility.people think I'm wierd cause I'm tall but prefer flexible/slashing styles

[@edwardkoo8564]

I mean agility/speed style.they think since I'm a big guy I should do hema.

[@Pahuyuth]

There is no right or wrong way, because each and very technique needs to be adapted (not copied) to ones own physique and the more tools you have in your toolbox the better. Being able to switch between„what people expect when they see a tall guy“ to „I have never seen a tall guy moving like that“ can confuse your opponent and make a huge difference in combat.

[@muayboran6111]

Technically yes, but remember in those days wars were fought in jungles. You have to be agile, so they favored the small to get around for maneuverability. It's not speed they're worried about, if you're shorter and lighter you have access to more space around you. The mongols came to indonesia and vietnam, very big and strong, non of them lasted for very long. So, in the old days, yes that would be a factor in where you are on the battle field, but Siam had a reputation of recruiting foreign fighters

[@suhribzevolution645]

​@@edwardkoo8564ขอบคุณมากที่ชอบดาบไทยม้นจะมีตัวอักษรอักขระ และมีสีขาวและดาบเนื้อสีดำคือเหล็กน้ำพี้ที่หายากและแพง แต่ทนทานกว่าเหล็กชนิดใดๆใช่ดาบไทยเน้นการคล่องตัว และผู้ชำนาญจะใช้ดาบสองเล่ม ดาบยาวมือขวา และดาบที่สั้นกว่านิดหน่อยในมือซ้าย

[@muayboran6111]

Keep in mind that you guys don’t have forests as we do on top of the heat, the humidity, the swamps as well as wildlife. It’s super dense and dangerous. You need to be able to menuver well. That’s why thais are small, it’s a genetical advatage for that environment. The mongols tried to invade Indonesia, vietnam and myanmar, all attempts failed. Only until the european brought guns but then when they did have guns, america still failed.

[@rickyguzman2667]

The Thai practioner is to hesitant and doesnt really understand how to make his moves against a longer sword

[@dreamingacacia]

it normally dual wielded and have to move fast, it's normal to hesitate when you're not going to kill others.

[@mailais3403]

Both of them dont know shit​ about real fighting probably better to go to a hema event

[@hailhydreigon2700]

You all should visit a HEMA club. These reenactors don't seem to know European Martial Arts. They have some great gear though.

[@mornchillchill4125]

Thai swords are not suitable for large westerners who wear heavy armor. that focuses on stabbing armor rather than slashing teeth But the sharp-tipped Thai sword is made specifically for stabbing armor for holding the other hand.

[@primarykemastersahab]

Thai sword is same as "Dao", sword which is used in North East India.

[@AntiDicktator3937]

"Sastravidthaya"Ahjan" Thai people know this words. "Weapons science"teacher" Because we are Buddish country, And we learned Bali Language, Form India monk, King Ashoka the great sand they to us. And It's not only language we learn. We take a little part of many Vidja from ancient north east India, And make them to be our own Vidthaya. I dont good with history, So I not gonna talk too much. OK thanks q From Suwannaphum (north Asien)

[@mwnaris181]

And Sword in Thai is [ดาบ = Daab] very close to "Dao"

[@napatruangsopa7590]

If fight with armors on European win European techniques have more power ,but if with out armors thai win because more speed and flexibility this 2 things allowed them to use muay-thai with a blade in a hand. Ah Sh!t i dont know what gonna kill me first blade or art of 8 rims ,9 now if including the blade😅

[@gani2546]

Oh damn I didnt expect the Thai guy to speak German :D Respekt

[@tessabauer3013]

*Some facts about Thaiachira* A spin-off of Muay Chaiya, which originated from a student sports group at Ramkhamhaeng University and therefore has nothing to do with old fighting styles, but pretends to make themselves important. The chairman of Thaiachira (Kru Lamp) has no qualification as a teacher (Krob Kru). He has also never fought in a boxing ring. His sword knowledge is based solely on student sports and stage fencing (Krabi Krabong), which is taught at the university. The rest comes from Muay Chaiya, which can also not be called an old or a real Thai martial art. The Muay from the city of Chaiya mainly refers to a certain Ajarn Ket Sriyapai. Ket Sriyapai was the son of a governor who was active in sports promotion and brought Muay Veti fighters (Muay Thai) from Chaiya to Bangkok to promote them there. Ajarn Khet never learned Muay Thai himself. The only reason why he is called "Ajarn" is that he has written and published some (fictional) stories about Muay Thai fighters. Ajarn Ket came from a high-ranking family and therefore never fought in a boxing ring. That would have been inappropriate for his standing. His actual profession was civil servant in the building industry. Later Muay Chaiya generations (for example Ket's school friend Tonglor Yalee) mixed normal Muay Thai techniques with Silat (Indonesia), Wushu (China) and Jiu Jitsu (Japan). For these reasons Muay Chaiya, and everything that comes from this direction, can neither be called an old nor a real Thai martial art. Source: Pantip. com (dig deep and you’ll find what they don’t want you to know! 🤫)

[@TrystLyonesse]

I don't know the full history on the Martial art, myself...but regarding the later point, is there something inherently wrong with mixing Martial Arts from different cultures, into your own...? If you're claiming the fighting style as being an absolute pure and distilled technique from your culture, I could maybe see the issue...but at the same time, I doubt there are very many martial arts our there, historically, that haven't been influenced by other cultures styles. Cultural exchange is a natural and good thing, in my opinion. It's why you see Religions like Buddhism move from India, down the silk road into China, and through most of Eastern Asia. It's why you see Taoist symbols all over say, Korean Flags for example. Philosophy, Food, Clothing, and Technology will naturally be exchanged and shared, with exposure, along with styles of fighting. And this isn't to disregard the rest of what you're saying: whether or not the chairman of that particular institution as fraudulent is unknown to me, as I'm not well educated In the subject, so I won't take a side either way until I personally learn more. To me though, I generally see pretty respectful fighters come from this tradition...even if it isn't one-hundred percent legit. Again, that's my objective opinion, not subjective fact.

[@tulosegaslimalama3487]

Put a full armor knight to fight in the jungle of thailand... If not die due to a enemy the hot weather will do. Is stupid compare these sword fighting styles because both respondo to a different conditions like the place, the weather, the temperstature even the religion...

[@วิชชากรสุขวัฒน์]

Religion dont Impact the fight.....but Temperature is

[@tulosegaslimalama3487]

@@วิชชากรสุขวัฒน์ do you think that the weastern sword with cross shape is a casuality?

[@วิชชากรสุขวัฒน์]

@@tulosegaslimalama3487 Western Weapons had better Technology than Asian Weapons even Heavy and Impact more than asian weapon but Asian Weapon had more sharpness & speed to Kill Faster but Disadvantage to fight western Armor warrior

[@mailais3403]

@@วิชชากรสุขวัฒน์ Not really the weight difference is not really that much and both sword can be just as sharp as the other since at the end they are but a sharpened steel bar there is no reason why one can't​ be as sharp as the other you can grind any blade edge to a perfect 1 micron but what matter the most is the context that they are used for

[@วิชชากรสุขวัฒน์]

@@mailais3403 You are right!

[@bugs4680]

Good job guys , us warriors have to unite for what's to come

[@egm01egm]

Looks like you both took sword in hand for the first time in this video

[@BoboBoomMerLang]

วิชามวยไทย รำมวยไทย เมื่อถืออาวุธดาบ ,หอก ,คทา.ตรีเพชร ก็กลายเป็นเพลงดาบ เพลงหอก เพลงศาสตราวุธ ในท่าร่ายรำ ทักษะที่มีมาแต่โบราณ

[@penguinthebear9002]

If Thai sword fighting is two sword-weilding then why use only one so that he could show them properly how he would move but in this case he has only one sword and he does not use his left hand as an Alive hand ready to disarm then i Think the Euro long sword would easily beat him. I think the Thai guy is not that skilled but still it was a good idea exchange.

[@artifex2.080]

I mean you might've wanted to show them proper krabi-krabong dual wielding

[@Wolfuskaktus]

Was für ein System kämpfen die?

[@Pahuyuth]

Historical European martial arts (HEMA) nach Liechtenauer und DAB (Schwert). Mehr zu DAB unter www.pahuyuth.com 🙏🏻

[@suhribzevolution645]

ในโลกผมชอบดาบอยู่สามประเภท ดาบไทย ดาบญี่ปุ่น และดาบยุโรป

[@highsensibel]

Har mir gefallen euer Video. Tolle Gemeinschaft. Es geht nichts über ein deutsches Langschwert und eine guten Mann.

[@n.rinaaa]

อันนั้น​เป็นดาบสรีกัญไชยไหมครับ

[@olivermewes1310]

Schön. Schade das ihr kein Training in Ziesar anbietet.

[@TheMinh92]

Mit ihren Schwertern. Im späten Mittelalter spielten Schwerter keine große Rolle mehr, da dort eher mit Kriegshämmern, Streitkolben oder Stangenwaffen gekämpft wurde. Auch der Schild war nicht mehr so wichtig da die Plattenrüstung gegen die meisten Hiebwaffen einen sehr guten Schutz bot. Deswegen wurden später die Anderthalbhänder oder Claymores eingeführt um die anderen Waffen, die oben genannt wurden, etwas entgegenzusetzen haben. :D Wobei der Morgenstern und Streitkolben als unritterlich galten. Der Streitflegel sowieso. ;) Aber dafür muss man auch schon ordentlich Kraft haben um diese Waffen gut einsetzen zu können. Schwerter sind und bleiben eleganter. :)

[@AceYoshiHunter]

i am thai

[@ปรีดิพงศ์คงอินทร์]

I love this

[@meinfuhler6167]

Not english but is german

[@htemarowmipatnach2474]

scimitar​ style​ ?

[@LongswordRussia]

Очень информативный канал!

[@allopez8563]

I do not read or speak German. Are the Euro guys HEMA practitioners or purely reenactors?

[@Pahuyuth]

As far as we know the Brotherhood of the Askanier as a society mainly deals with reenacting. Apart from that their members seem to practice HEMA as well.

[@allopez8563]

Thank you for the answer. I made the comment for two reasons. The first is that the thai sword looks sharp and the Euro guys movements look somewhat wide and making cutting arcs, most HEMA videos I have seen their movements are sharper and usually end up around 30 cm behind their intended target, so that the cut doesn't trace a wide arc. Longer arcs make it harder to recover the guard. Maybe it is just me but I think it would be very interesting if you show some sparring matches with appropiate sparring tools among comitted martial arts practitioners. It would be even better with bouts using different weapons of both martial arts repertories. I myself praticed chinese martial arts for 16 years, regretfully in my style we only sparred using only sticks and staffs. From swords and other sharp weapons, I learned only forms.

[@Pahuyuth]

Your impression is correct. The Thai sword in this video is razor sharp. The whole encounter was unstaged, unscripted and held in an atmosphere of mutual respect, friendship and willingness to learn from each other. Therefore the arcs and movements are relatively wide and controlled in order to avoid injuries. Sparring matches are indeed interesting and entertaining, but I can assure you that even this small technical exchange already lead to the conclusion that it is a good thing for everyone that German knights and Southeast Asian warriors never met on the battlefield. Both styles are great and have their own advantages and disadvantages.

[@Pahuyuth]

@@Artaxerxes1986 Check the scene beginning on 06:39. At 06:45 they both shake a tiny bit and at 06:48 the knight checks his finger. Now draw your own conclusions.

[@Pahuyuth]

@@Artaxerxes1986 Maybe we lie, maybe we don’t. If clinging to your beliefs and self-affirmation is your goal, we apologize for the inconvenience and will gladly confirm that all swords were made of rubber and that no one in this video has ever held a sword in his hand before. There you have it. Nothing to see here. You can unsubscribe now if you want.

[@guywhotriestogetalife5041]

*Whispers* _dab to them haters_

[@dadoody]

Why they all speaking viking

[@ronmccarty7537]

Apples and oranges combining

[@NWOFanWG]

Gutes Video,mal anderer hintergrund,weiter so,wirklich schön an zu sehen Germanische Schwertkunst,da freut sich das Deutsche Herz bei Odin!

[@thepunisher2476]

Wir wissen leider weder wie die Germanen noch Wikinger kämpften . Dies ist Schwertkampf der deutschen Schule aus dem 14. Jahrhundert.

[@seksonsorjoho9718]

ถ้าประทะน่าจะแพ้น้ำหนักดาบ

[@gdubbbz]

Don’t know how I got here but yea I would use guns lmao I win

[@mrboardzzz1876]

I'm Thai guy but don't agree with him

[@sengsouns1093]

គ្មានរបៀបទេ

[@NAy-nv3up]

ดาบไทยไม่แพ้ชาติใดในโลก กัมพูชาไม่มี

[@ปูน้อย-ฐ1ษ]

ดาบ​ไทย​ผิด

[@jarmornj]

european armor cannot beat light weight warrior in real life like mongolian warrior

[@Pahuyuth]

If you want to learn more about the Brotherhood of Askanier (Bruderschaft der Askanier e.V.) check out their website: bit.ly/Askanier

[@zazontv8139]

Thailand Number One

[@AAAeahadle]

It fake

[@primarykemastersahab]

European sword is the worst in design.

[@yash8703]

Fuck you man. European swords are good. Depends on how you use them. You also have the Polish saber which is more agile to use. However, we can't say which one is better between Thai swords and European ones. They are both good and have their purpose.

[@batteredwarrior]

You clearly know nothing about European swords if you think that...

[@supmango1627]

ฉันคิดว่าเค้าใช้วิชาดาบไทย แต่แปลกๆ ปกติดาบไทยจะเน้นที่ความเร็ว อาจเป็นเพราะร่างกายของเค้า

[@Number-ze9up]

ดาบไทยที่ใช้ความเร็วคือดาบสองมือ

[@supmango1627]

@@Number-ze9up คุณต้องเป็นคนรุ่นผมแน่ สมัยนี้คนจะเรียกว่าดาบคู่ เพราะคำว่าดาบสองมือมันไปตรงกับดาบใหญ่ของยุโรปมั้ง เค้าเลยเปลี่ยน

[@NAy-nv3up]

ก็เขาสาธิต

[@annewerner505]

*Some facts about Thaiachira* A spin-off of Muay Chaiya, which originated from a student sports group at Ramkhamhaeng University and therefore has nothing to do with old fighting styles, but pretends to make themselves important. The chairman of Thaiachira (Kru Lamp) has no qualification as a teacher (Krob Kru). He has also never fought in a boxing ring. His sword knowledge is based solely on student sports and stage fencing (Krabi Krabong), which is taught at the university. The rest comes from Muay Chaiya, which can also not be called an old or a real Thai martial art. The Muay from the city of Chaiya mainly refers to a certain Ajarn Ket Sriyapai. Ket Sriyapai was the son of a governor who was active in sports promotion and brought Muay Veti fighters (Muay Thai) from Chaiya to Bangkok to promote them there. Ajarn Khet never learned Muay Thai himself. The only reason why he is called "Ajarn" is that he has written and published some (fictional) stories about Muay Thai fighters. Ajarn Ket came from a high-ranking family and therefore never fought in a boxing ring. That would have been inappropriate for his standing. His actual profession was civil servant in the building industry. Later Muay Chaiya generations (for example Ket's school friend Tonglor Yalee) mixed normal Muay Thai techniques with Silat (Indonesia), Wushu (China) and Jiu Jitsu (Japan). For these reasons Muay Chaiya, and everything that comes from this direction, can neither be called an old nor a real Thai martial art. Source: Pantip. com (dig deep and you’ll find what they don’t want you to know! 🤫)

[@manjitrupbikram]

Now that real sword fighting days are over, everyone likes playing with a sword.

[@วิชชากรสุขวัฒน์]

kind like Knight vs Assasin sty (still depend) but if they already wear armor that would be disadvantage

[@mr.q337]

Weather, battle field, and geographical location which they are fighting on is hugely impacted how they fight. On a flat grassland, or in an arena with perfect condition, of course full plate armor will have advantage anyday. However, imagine fighting in a hot, humid weather all year round, not to mention the rain, and sometime fell like walking in the swamp, that amount of armor only wear you down and slow you down over time, couple few swing and you tired. That's why the Thai ditch their armor, and replace them with shields instead. Shield alone would provide huge area protection, without slowing them down too much.

[@วิชชากรสุขวัฒน์]

@@mr.q337 they love using ambush to fight a Bigger army too

[@mr.q337]

@@วิชชากรสุขวัฒน์ You are correct, I'm from Vietnam so I understand brother LOL

[@mariettahofmann9234]

*Some facts about Thaiachira* A spin-off of Muay Chaiya, which originated from a student sports group at Ramkhamhaeng University and therefore has nothing to do with old fighting styles, but pretends to make themselves important. The chairman of Thaiachira (Kru Lamp) has no qualification as a teacher (Krob Kru). He has also never fought in a boxing ring. His sword knowledge is based solely on student sports and stage fencing (Krabi Krabong), which is taught at the university. The rest comes from Muay Chaiya, which can also not be called an old or a real Thai martial art. The Muay from the city of Chaiya mainly refers to a certain Ajarn Ket Sriyapai. Ket Sriyapai was the son of a governor who was active in sports promotion and brought Muay Veti fighters (Muay Thai) from Chaiya to Bangkok to promote them there. Ajarn Khet never learned Muay Thai himself. The only reason why he is called "Ajarn" is that he has written and published some (fictional) stories about Muay Thai fighters. Ajarn Ket came from a high-ranking family and therefore never fought in a boxing ring. That would have been inappropriate for his standing. His actual profession was civil servant in the building industry. Later Muay Chaiya generations (for example Ket's school friend Tonglor Yalee) mixed normal Muay Thai techniques with Silat (Indonesia), Wushu (China) and Jiu Jitsu (Japan). For these reasons Muay Chaiya, and everything that comes from this direction, can neither be called an old nor a real Thai martial art. Source: Pantip. com (dig deep and you’ll find what they don’t want you to know! 🤫)