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Nevaeh Evol

Nevaeh Evol

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IT'S HAPPENING! We finally get to meet Lucifer and he's.. not what we expected at ALL. This episode is filled with songs from a jazzy duet battle to a heart wrenching lament that will have you yearning for a karaoke night. Join me as we experience this amazing episode together and share this video to relive the excitement!
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@valekstormhowl4999
@valekstormhowl4999 9 ай бұрын
Lucifer being a dpressed, duck obsessed little guy is just incredible! It's also a fantastic way to show how depression has ruined his life. He's distant, forgetful, and scared to even think about heaven. Heaven broke him when they threw him into hell and basically made him the ruler of a kingdom he didn't want.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
it's especially heart wrenching because you can tell he does genuinely care, but he tries so hard to act cool and collected that it translates as lack of effort and interest to his loved ones; such a well designed character!
@valekstormhowl4999
@valekstormhowl4999 9 ай бұрын
​@@NevaehEvol also i love the nod to the song devil went down to Georgia when lucifer pulled out a literal golden fiddle lol
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
@@valekstormhowl4999 OMS I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT SONG
@BlueOrbee
@BlueOrbee 9 ай бұрын
@@NevaehEvolLucifer was confirmed as being canonically autistic by the way neveah
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
@@BlueOrbee that checks out, tbh- me, too, buddy
@iamafan7619
@iamafan7619 9 ай бұрын
Depressed by his own failures, he kept his daughter at a distance. When she reaches out to him years later, he at first tries to buy her affection only to learn that all she ever wanted from him was to know who he was, which was what he was most terrified to show her. Simply beautiful writing.
@tatsumisakamai5372
@tatsumisakamai5372 9 ай бұрын
7:03 Emo Charlie is STILL probably the sweetest and most optimistic being in hell.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
no doubt, tbh!
@chukolance
@chukolance 9 ай бұрын
My favorite aspect of Lucifer's design is the circus vibe. Because he's the "Ringmaster" of Hell.
@demonic_myst4503
@demonic_myst4503 9 ай бұрын
Alistor doesnt like more powerful beings invading what he sees as his teritory
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
mm, good point! he sees Luci as a threat, and we all know how Al acts when threatened
@flyfly376
@flyfly376 9 ай бұрын
@@NevaehEvolWe actually see this already in the Overlord meeting where Alastor get a bit ruffled when he's told that his reason of absence is not that interesting. He clearly likes being the most important thing in the room, always, the cool untouchable enigma. Obviously, Literally King of Hell, who is more powerful than him and pretty much more important by default is a challenge to all that, by literally existing. So he's really invested in kicking him where it hurts to show dominance anyway. Well, that's my read on him, at least.
@GlytchGames
@GlytchGames 9 ай бұрын
@Evol Viv mentioned Alastor also has a shorter temper with men because of his relationship with his dad when he was alive, we only ever see him be close with women The "bellhop" and "Hazbin Hotel" comments probably set him off and it didn't get any better from there lol Narcissistic personalities tend to get very hurt when their image isn't respected
@GlytchGames
@GlytchGames 9 ай бұрын
@@NevaehEvol He may have actually got mad at Lucifer because he thought he wasn't a good father, he seemed angry as soon as he hugged Charlie You can tell his expression softens when Charlie and Lucifer have their open singing moment He could've been trying to act as a father figure to make Lucifer fight for Charlie again
@hmtk9017
@hmtk9017 9 ай бұрын
@Games Though he has narcissistic tendencies, like Adam, he's far more of a psychopath, which can share traits with narcissism, like having a grandiose self-image. For instance, here's the psychopathy checklist. Item 1: Glibness/superficial charm Item 2: Grandiose sense of self-worth Item 3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom Item 4: Pathological lying Item 5: Cunning/manipulative Item 6: Lack of remorse or guilt Item 7: Shallow affect Item 8: Callous/lack of empathy Item 9: Parasitic lifestyle Item 10: Poor behavioral controls Item 11: Promiscuous sexual behavior Item 12: Early behavior problems Item 13: Lack of realistic long-term goals Item 14: Impulsivity Item 15: Irresponsibility Item 16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions Item 17: Many short-term marital relationships Item 18: Juvenile delinquency Item 19: Revocation of conditional release Item 20: Criminal versatility It's evaluated on a 40 point scale, with each item being weighted 0-2 based on its applicability (0=doesn't apply, 1=partial/don't know, 2=applies), with 25 being the cutoff for psychopathy in research, 25 for in the UK, and 30 in the United States. My score for him is 31. Georgia Dow does a really good job of analyzing Alastor. A narcissist would fear, and suck-up to, higher authority, a psychopath would almost completely disregard it.
@IsaiahCarreno-g5u
@IsaiahCarreno-g5u 9 ай бұрын
Love the symbolism at 38:36 Lucifer’s face just says “ok here we go again” but the next scene, when the spears are aimed at Charlie, that’s fear. He’s fine with himself being the target because, as he knows that he's the most hated being in all of creation, he’s used to it.
@tatsumisakamai5372
@tatsumisakamai5372 9 ай бұрын
My theory for the ducks is that he was fixated on the moment Charlie first laid eyes on one of his creations, the part where she sneaked in while he was working, and so he held on to that memory of her smile despite being estranged for a long time. There's also that line he sings, "I've missed that smile."
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
waaaaahhh, you're so right that's so bittersweet
@darkstar4977
@darkstar4977 9 ай бұрын
I heard a great theory that he collects ducks because as reference to the ugly duckling, he always saw himself as the ugly duck in heaven, of the black sheep, or just bluntly different than all others as he didn’t fit in. Thus in charlies childhood you could see that his machination he made was that of a swan, something beautiful and loved that he aspires to be.
@SpydurFang
@SpydurFang 9 ай бұрын
I'm wondering if the line from Lucifer "I've tried this all before" or something to that effect alluded to him trying to convince the angels to let Charlie into heaven since she's technically not committed a sin to be in hell to begin with. Since he's only seen the worst of humanity and the souls in hell, he never wanted her to face the consequences of his actions. Thus the imagery of the little duckling turning into the six winged swan, and why he initially looked so somber when she walked in. Maybe that's the reason why Lilith decided to split, since she embraced hell and wanted Charlie to as well.
@TFoxhound
@TFoxhound 9 ай бұрын
Love Vivze's interview with them asking on the choice of cast and she said "well if you want your plumping fixed get a plumper so if you are making a animated musical get voice actors and singers" not word for word but its basically what she said
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
that's such a good way for her to put it, hahaha
@blackheartthedarklord6428
@blackheartthedarklord6428 9 ай бұрын
6:06 "What looks like a silly little guy." Me: Uh Nevaeh, thats actually Charlie when she went into her emo phase.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
sobbing, I know that now 😭
@blackheartthedarklord6428
@blackheartthedarklord6428 9 ай бұрын
@@NevaehEvol also, in regards to Lucifer and Lilith, I think the creator said that their relationship is similar to Mortrica and Gomez Addams. I won't spoil anything, but personally, I hope this is the case. I think that they are both really in love with each other. I know people have other thoughts about their relationship, but that's just my own opinion
@ericjohnson6120
@ericjohnson6120 9 ай бұрын
Charl-emo
@Hey-Its-Dingo
@Hey-Its-Dingo 9 ай бұрын
​@@blackheartthedarklord6428 I love that the fandom has interpreted their married life as a Roger and Jessica Rabbit situation. Lol
@DKlett1
@DKlett1 9 ай бұрын
I believe it's actually been confirmed that Alastor just couldn't handle being around Lucifer because he knows Lucy could whoop his ass if he wanted. Which is also the reason he's trying to desperately establish some form of ,,dominance" over him by usurping his position as Charlies' dad. ALSO one of the reasons he ,,blows off steam" by murderising all those loan sharks. (That and being called out by Husker) Just thought it was important to understand the reasons for what Alastor was feeling in this episode.
@GlytchGames
@GlytchGames 9 ай бұрын
That and Viv mentioned that Alastor has a shorter temper with men, because of his issues with his dad when he was alive. We only ever see him hug or get close with women What set him off was likely Lucifer making the "guess that's why they call it the HAZBIN hotel huh?" comment
@flaminyawn
@flaminyawn 9 ай бұрын
It probably doesn't hurt that he's also trying to position himself as the one Charlie turns to when she needs help.
@neilmacartney8972
@neilmacartney8972 9 ай бұрын
​@GlytchGames it does make me hope that the theory winners don't remember their human life is wrong so we can see a possible interaction between alastor and his mother who's in heaven especially if she did find out what her son did after her death
@demonangeltheo
@demonangeltheo 9 ай бұрын
Alastor: you could almost call me dad Angel Dust pouting in the corner: oh so she can call you daddy but when I try to I get threaten
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
@jabezkatsak8471
@jabezkatsak8471 9 ай бұрын
I see Alastor being threatened by Lucifers presence in the hotel fearing he could replace him, just look at the different ways he’s showing power for different people, for Husk, he just threatens his life cause he knows he can get away with it but he knows he doesn’t hold a candle to Lucifers power so he shows off his connection to Charlie instead
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
a good point! using his different advantages against different "opponents" so to speak
@wavemoon
@wavemoon 9 ай бұрын
38:31 Yeah thats just some clump of magic. What is important is what it represents. It's Lucifer throwing his dreams on the ground, Charlie kneeling down trying to pick them back up and then he takes her hand to prevent her from doing so.
@H0r53f7y
@H0r53f7y 9 ай бұрын
1. The portrait of the "silly little guy" is actually Charlie in her emo phase 2. Al cursing that hard is a pretty big deal, as he tries to appear above it all to be viewed with an air of superiority. To that end, part of his schtick is only letting out occasional low-intensity swears. Said it before, will say it again, who better to strike at one's ego than the Sin of Pride himself 3. Big recently said Charlie's roughly 6'6", so that helps a bit with height reference. Lulu is still a Short King, a decision made, I kid you not, with the intention of " most of the other Sins are huge. Making their highest in rank be the tiniest of them all would be hilarious" 4. Satan is indeed a separate character in this universe, the Sin of Wrath to be precise. He, Belphegor, and Leviathan are the only ones we've still yet to see 5. Not a fact, just speculation, but I think Lulu busting out the accordion might be a reference to when in the days when the pilot was all we had to work with, possibly before it even aired, Viv had mentioned that she hoped for every character to be able to play at least one instrument, and whoever wound up playing Lucifer would determine what he would play. The minute anyone heard this, a collective brain cell activated in the majority of the fandom and crew, that screamed through a Griffin' bullhorn "Weird Al should play him!". Jeremy Jordan definitely was great casting, though sometimes it's still fun to think " what if"
@CajunCrustacean
@CajunCrustacean 9 ай бұрын
I hadn't realized how much I wanted a Weird Al demon until just now. He would make an amazing demon for this series, especially if he got to have a song.
@patchwilliamson
@patchwilliamson 9 ай бұрын
Something I haven't seen anyone mention is the fact that Luci plays a golden violin/fiddle, which is a reference to the song The Devil Went Down to Georgia
@H0r53f7y
@H0r53f7y 9 ай бұрын
@@patchwilliamson someone commented it earlier
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
@@alexthedaydreamer I would openly weep in laughter if JackmotherfuckingSepticEye VAed for Lilith
@MohamadNadi
@MohamadNadi 9 ай бұрын
Casting Jeremy Jordan as Lucifee was absolutely perfect. By the way, as usual, you never dissapiint nevah much love as always
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
Jeremy has some amazing vocals and I feel like he really brings Lucifer to life! and thank you, you're too kind!
@MohamadNadi
@MohamadNadi 9 ай бұрын
@NevaehEvol looking forward to when you go love again my friend
@IgnisKhan
@IgnisKhan 9 ай бұрын
5:14 I didn't watch with subtitles, so I'm pleased to learned that Niffty's laughter is subbed with "[giggles like a gremlin]".
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
it's perfect!!
@maggie_knolastname
@maggie_knolastname 9 ай бұрын
I love Lucifer so much. He’s so precious and 100% my favorite character (Angel Dust is a very close second) I knew he would be when I found out Jeremy Jordan voices him
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
he is a spectacular character! Jeremy is extremely talented
@In-The-Zone
@In-The-Zone 9 ай бұрын
The "Black Eyes" for having sold your soul was just a fan theory that when examined quickly fell apart
@cyberwolf_1013
@cyberwolf_1013 9 ай бұрын
So, one: Somehow, father and daughter both got it into their heads that the other didn't want to see them. Luci didn't want to burden Charlie with all his baggage and so stayed away. Then all Charlie saw was a dad who pushed her aside and didn't care. Two: He's depressed and probably coping with that by the duck fixation. It's so obvious that Lucifer loves his family and never stopped. I mean, he's still wearing his wedding band, and after how long? (7 years at least) Not to mention his reaction to hearing that his daughter actually wanted to see him again.
@cyberdragoon1432
@cyberdragoon1432 9 ай бұрын
20:55 Since this has been making rounds: Lucifer- You’ve chosen violin Also a Devil went Down to Georgia reference
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I wanted to call it a fiddle but the subtitles called it a violin and ik there's a difference between the instruments of like appearance 😭
@cyberdragoon1432
@cyberdragoon1432 9 ай бұрын
@@NevaehEvol They’re in fact the same instrument, it just depends on the style of music they are used to play that defines them as violin or fiddle
@GenAqua
@GenAqua 9 ай бұрын
Lucifer using an accordion is a reference to who Vivziepop wanted as Lucifer originally, Weird Al Yankovic. And funny that Mimzy's voiced by Sara Stiles, AKA Spinel from Steven Universe, when I've always thought Spinel and Alastor would get along.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
how fun!
@connorclemmons8698
@connorclemmons8698 9 ай бұрын
Fun Fact: The picture with Charlie’s family hugging one another is the only photo (as of right now) that shows Lucifer and Lilith with their wedding rings on, every other portrait doesn’t show them wearing them. It’s hard to see in the episode but in the released artwork of said picture you can see it more clearly. You can also see Lilith’s smile start to fade with each picture showing Charlie getting older.
@ukihakasmikaze8778
@ukihakasmikaze8778 9 ай бұрын
I am so glad they made Lucifer such a caring dad. Sure he's kind of a doofus who isn't exactly good at this, but he is legit trying and does truly love Charlie. Also Hearing Alastor use profanity is GOLD. That’s how you know he’s really upset because nobody really gets to him.
@TheF8thless
@TheF8thless 9 ай бұрын
I feel like this episode shows that Lucifer and Charlie share a problem in that they are both *bursting* with creative energy to the point it directly interferes with long-term planning or logic. Charlie has actually no plan for her hotel, she has a concept and decorations. Meanwhile, Lucifer practically spasms from idea to idea, and can barely hold a coherent conversation.
@uaeoaeoeoi
@uaeoaeoeoi 9 ай бұрын
Remembering the mention of LuLu World in the Looloo Land episode of heluva boss, I now headcanon that it was make by Lucifer as a personal playground for Charlie that only opened to the public at Charlies personal request.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
oh I can totally see that
@Floki_lucifer
@Floki_lucifer 9 ай бұрын
I don't know if you were told this by anyone else, but the scene of Lucifer playing a Golden fiddle is actually a reference to the song The Devil went down to Georgia. I'm a bit of a music nerd so I find this extremely interesting
@brandonworth7890
@brandonworth7890 9 ай бұрын
It blows my mind that so many people didn't catch the reference. I spose its not super relevant anymore haha
@bailey6304
@bailey6304 9 ай бұрын
Before the show came out I was under the impression that Lucifer would be a goofy character with a more sinister side, but I kind of like this more. They also managed to work in his hatred for humanity in a way that still fits this version of him. He's more like a disappointed parental figure that has just completely lost hope in people. Also, it's nice getting to see a more sinister side to Alastor. I feel like he'll go from a villainous ally to an outright villain later, but for now he's still our fun chaotic evil friend. It's also interesting that Husk seems to know something about Alastor's situation, although to what extent I'm still not sure. I hope we get to learn more about that soon! Anyways, great episode, but I'm REALLY looing forward to your reaction to the next one. So excited to see one of my favourite characters and your reaction to them ^^ As well as one of my favourite moments in the series.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I agree! this portrayal of Lucifer is a really fun and interesting interpretation! I wanna know the secrets that Husk knows, too 👁 and thank you!! I'm glad you had fun! I can't wait to see more ♡♡
@bailey6304
@bailey6304 9 ай бұрын
@@NevaehEvol Btw I decided to join the discord! I prolly won't say too much at first, but I figured if I keep procrastinating I'd never end up joining lol. Hope u have a lovely ritual filled day uwu
@therumbling4473
@therumbling4473 4 ай бұрын
To be fair, I do think Lucifer has a sinister side in the series. He shows the decapitated head of Alastor in a song just for fun and bc Alastor pissed him off. He bragged about being right to Charlie while her whole building was falling apart. He didn't move a finger to help. He was smiling while everything around him was on fire and body parts were being thrown around lol. He says he charges for his services. Services to who? Who knows what kind of deals he has made? He was going to kill Adam with no problems before Charlie stopped him. I think they're similar, but Lucifer does not have the same moral code as Charlie. He's an ancient being, who knows what he has done before Charlie was born, or when she doesn't see. I definetely think he earned his reputation as the devil tbh. The imagery in Hell's greatest dad, with his insane smiles and and evil faces made me think there's definitely more to him that meets the eye. I'm excited to see how the show will develop bc in my personal opinion, I don't think the story Charlie tells in ep 1 is the whole truth. I think we don't actually know what happened in Eden. Who knows? Maybe Lucifer actually did bad things that got him casted out
@justcallmeleonardo
@justcallmeleonardo 9 ай бұрын
Never expected the devil himself to be one of my favourite characters, but when I first saw ep 5 I just enjoyed his story and personality so much.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I ADORE his personality and how unexpected it was! I was anticipating a deviously evil or holier than thou kind of Lucifer, but this interpretation is just so fun and unique
@Floki_lucifer
@Floki_lucifer 9 ай бұрын
Another funny little detail about this episode is when Lucifer is telling Charlie about the ruined everything. As in one of the many myths about how hell was created, souls that were deemed unworthy to enter heaven, were straight up erased and deleted from existence. Lucifer or Samael, as his name was as an angel, went against God even though he didn't have any freewill, he argued that there should be some place for souls that were rejected from paradise. His reward for his objections to the way those souls were treated was exile. And so he created hell as a safe haven for those souls. And it feels like in hazbin hotel, Lucifer feels like despite the fact that he did everything for the sinners, all they did was take his gift for granted. I mean he literally got exiled from heaven just so he could create some place for The souls of sinners to go so they wouldn't be eradicated and those very same souls ruined everything and refused to change.
@hurin1
@hurin1 9 ай бұрын
Viv has a tell. Whenever a character shows any sign of empathy they wind up on the good side. Eventually. We see this with Asmodeus and Fizzie. We see it with Angeldust. We see it with Carmilla and Zestial. And we see very small hints of it with Alastor. He is probably under contract with Lilith to be here at the Hotel to protect Charlie. But we see small hints of connection. We see Overlords like the Vees that show no sign of empathy. Mamon is another demon over in the Helluva Boss setting that shows no empathy. And he is the definitive heavy of the season. So based on this Alastor is probably savable. But its going to take a lot longer than the others. And he is probably going to be a threat right till the end. I foresee him trying to break the contract through the second season. It will probably break at the end of the season with Alstor becoming one of the heavies for the third season. As Alastor is being bound to being good we can assume that Lilith if she holds his contract is good herself. So she will probably join Charlie (eventually) and help her come to terms with her power and what good she can do with it. With Alastor being a foil until Charlie has a grasp of it all and is able to confront him and force him to really self examine.
@gingerbardman2391
@gingerbardman2391 9 ай бұрын
So an interesting theory I heard recently about Alistor being uncharacteristically invested in this weird dadding contest. Alistor is constantly flexing on everyone he meets, showing how he is above them or so much more powerful than them. Now he meets Lucy, who Alistor absolutely cannot flex on via power or influence. So he switches it up to the one thing he knows he can beat out Lucy on: being there for Charlie. This is just Alistor at his default, but having to take a different approach.
@nataliebateman1151
@nataliebateman1151 5 ай бұрын
The fact that Hell's Greatest Dad was inspired by Friend Like Me just warms my heart
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 5 ай бұрын
@@nataliebateman1151 same! it's so unique but still brings to mind "some of column A, try all of column B"
@iainmcdonalds4018
@iainmcdonalds4018 9 ай бұрын
I love that in "More than anything" you see the angel weapons heading towards Lucifer and he doesn't care, but he sees them heading towards Charlie and his eyes widen, then he immediately pulls her and stands between her and them. You could also see it as although he is protecting her, he's pulling her into the dark, which depending on your view of heaven/light in this context could be a good thing or a bad thing. Or more likely both. She's kept secret and safe, but can't truly see the world around her I think would be a good interpretation.
@CrazyTasteyPi
@CrazyTasteyPi 9 ай бұрын
You know, with what we've cone to learn about Alastor, it's hard to pin if he came at Lucifer because he had a pre-concived notion about him, or if he just thought Luci would just get in the way of what ever plans he's in the process of hatching.
@thethirdworld1829
@thethirdworld1829 9 ай бұрын
My personal headcanon for the alastor song and him being all “you can call me dad” bit is actually a little odd. Later in the episode he tells Mimzie she needs to leave if she isnt going to take the hotel seriously. I PERSONALLY believe that Alastor did this to force Charlie and her dad closer together. By pushing his stakes of being so proud of Charlie he made Lucifer feel insecure and forced him to voice his support of Charlie. As you said in the reaction alastor always has an angle and I think for whatever reason he needs the hotel to succeed. By getting Lucifer to support Charlie he bolstered the hotel’s rep and got closer to his goal. Once Lucifer was all in support of Charlie, he totally dropped the whole thing and went back to his normal self.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
interesting headcanon! I'm personally of the mind that Al sold his soul to Lilith, so helping Charlie succeed/looking out for her best interest could be one of her contact requirements imposed upon him 👁
@thethirdworld1829
@thethirdworld1829 9 ай бұрын
@@NevaehEvolit absolutely could be! However during “more than anything” he has a very self satisfied smile on his face, as if his plan has come to fruition. I could be totally off the mark here but getting Charlie and Lucifer to make up, while seen as “selfless” does further his goals and seems very in line with his personality, playing the “long game” so to speak.
@ultra824
@ultra824 9 ай бұрын
"how old is she supposed to be?" Charlie's somewhere between 200 and 10000 years old
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
ah, a healthy range
@ozzymand1as
@ozzymand1as 9 ай бұрын
I utterly adore the way Charlie says, "He's an asshole."
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
so true!! her tonality is everything
@KingofFools5083
@KingofFools5083 9 ай бұрын
The 'Silly Little Guy©️' in the you pointed out in Luci's room is actually Charlie when she was going through her emo phase. Also, this episode has, by far, some of the vest one liners, in context and out (:
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
BRUH I feel so blind that I couldn't distinguish that specific portrait LMAO
@comicsans6264
@comicsans6264 9 ай бұрын
There's a theory that Alastor sold his soul to Lilith or Eve which might explain why he was so powerful when he appeared in hell and was able to effortlessly kill off powerful overlords. The only one who's aware of this is Husk due to him being very observant with knowing people after spending time with them long enough
@KurbisTeufel
@KurbisTeufel 9 ай бұрын
I was about to take a drink when you said Intellimagent. That's one of those "Yep that's going into my dictionary" moments. Like "Investigot"
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
just barely missed the spit take
@MattStMarie-bm5sq
@MattStMarie-bm5sq 9 ай бұрын
The accordian is a nod to Weird Al Yankovich who was the first pick for voice actor of Lucifer.
@krystanruitenbeek3636
@krystanruitenbeek3636 9 ай бұрын
Alastor just wants to stand above everyone, and if he can't do it with power then with something else.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
very true; he's always gotta be #1
@viyhexe131
@viyhexe131 9 ай бұрын
Ever so slightly disappointed they didn't give the loan sharks black blood to keep canon with Helluva Something interesting to note about Lucifer: If he's anything like the other sins we've seen, he can change shape and size at will. That means he's short entirely by choice. Charlie might be taking after her father in not making a big show of her power and status
@aubicgrande9221
@aubicgrande9221 9 ай бұрын
Helluva is TRASH. It wasn’t meant to be anything more. It is nothing but filler…
@viyhexe131
@viyhexe131 9 ай бұрын
@@aubicgrande9221whatever you say dude 🙄
@skarletfenrir6979
@skarletfenrir6979 9 ай бұрын
15:52 to be fair if im not mistaken despite being over 200 years old Vaggie is the first woman Charlie has been with and they have been together for 3 years and Charlie and Lucifer havent been close for at least 7 years(that being when Lilith disappeared though her and Lucifer possibly split up before that) so it would be kind of surprising if he did know
@shadowwriter329
@shadowwriter329 9 ай бұрын
“Oh the little rainbow hoops in the back.” Actually that is a model of the seven rings of all. Similar to what a globe would be for them.
@thaumaturgeslit7759
@thaumaturgeslit7759 9 ай бұрын
Alastors need to be the center of attention seems to have been triggered severely by the actual Ringleader showing up at his- I mean Charlies project.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
for real!!!
@ShaneDyeO
@ShaneDyeO 9 ай бұрын
Honestly just having beef with the king of hell is awesome enough it probs is legitimately the reason
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
it's really funny
@ShaneDyeO
@ShaneDyeO 9 ай бұрын
@@NevaehEvol Hah Ha Haa
@DaichiOkami
@DaichiOkami 9 ай бұрын
37:56 yes Lucifer and Satan are different characters. But nit just in this show but actual Christian mythology. There's a lot of miss information and confusion since most modern churches and christians like to merge and ball everything together to make a concise single story. Hence why we ended up with most people thinking Lucifer, satan, and Beelzebub where all The Devil. And therefore the same guy. But they aren't. In the original stories. Lucifer is a mistranslation to latin where the original text refered to the morning star aka the planet venus. And had a story surrounding a king who angered god by wanting similar if not more power than him. Which eventually evolved into Lucifer being an angel who wanted to eventually take God's place as he always rose before him the sun. And the whole adam and eve thing which is loosely connected to him. Satan on the other hand. Has always been a part of the main Christian continuity. He existed before the concept of Lucifer was added to the religion. And his name means The accuser or The Slanderer. In simple terms Satan is a fallen angel who simply didn't believe humans were worthy of God's live as he thought they were flawed and would easily fall prey to sin. So he basically was cast away from heaven and he dedicated himself to tempting humans into evil out of spite and to prove a point. And beelzebub is usually more commonly accepted as a different character. But there's a lot of people who lump him in because they say it's a different name for the devil. Which in theory is correct but his origins are from a different source and have different lore. Such as beelzebub also being a fallen angel execpt with a bow and arrow. And I don't know much about him but they basically called him beelzebub (lord of the Flies) to associate him wirh something bad and demonize him. And doesn't have much evil lore to him other than just kindof existing and doing generic evil stuff afterwards.
@StormyStories
@StormyStories 9 ай бұрын
I love all the little expressions the characters make as initial reactions. The details in this show are on point! Also, if you ever need to clean your ears, they have these cool pick sets that are designed to do that safely, and they work really well^_^
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I agree! those smaller expressions do a lot to build the scene I haven't used one of those kits, but I need to! I didn't know qtips weren't healthy until I had been using them for like 10 years
@0DeathTheKid15
@0DeathTheKid15 9 ай бұрын
I think the reason Alastor "attacked" Lucifer was because he is a HUGE risk for his plan. No mater what he is planning its important for him to stay close to the hotel. As we saw him so far he is the one that makes things happen. You need power, or objects? He can give it to you for a price. But here is Lucifer that not only is basicaly all powerfull but also free for Charlie. Luci is Alastor but stronger and with no drawbacks. If he is there Alastor is not only not in controll anymore but more or less useless. Also he knew that as long as he helpes Charlie and supports her dream Luci cant really do anything against him. If he want to be save from Lucifers power, conroll and wrath he NEEDS to be close to Charlie.
@SnowyWolborg
@SnowyWolborg 9 ай бұрын
That's exactly what it is. Alastor is not accustomed to being in the same room with somebody so significantly more powerful than he is. All the hype about the big bad Radio Demon just doesn't impress Lucifer. Even Alastor's "remind everyone why I'm here" moment came off as hin trying to prove he isn't irrelevant. Alastor tries to _act_ above it all, but is not so different from Vox.
@adriankuban2904
@adriankuban2904 9 ай бұрын
Hell has 10000 year of pentagram city. Charlie's Canon age is 200 years. #Theory Charlie wasn't first children of Lilith and Lucifer but they all born death. @ LadySygerrik Some stories of Lilith have her cursed with the inability to have children, with all of hers being either born dead or dying shortly after being born. It could be Charlie isn't their first child, just the first one to survive. @Valentino simp If we learned anything from Helluva Boss, it's that Viv love morbid backstories soooo
@shadowwriter329
@shadowwriter329 9 ай бұрын
I personally believe the issue Alastor have with Lucifer is that he was the “big fish” of the hotel. He was the most powerful (besides Charlie) and everyone knew it. He was the one Charlie turned to for advice, he was the one that use his powers to help out. Now that Lucifer is here, it is no longer just about him and he isn’t a fan.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I could totally see that!
@TheWinterPhoenix
@TheWinterPhoenix 9 ай бұрын
16:09 to answer your question, Charlie is around 400 years old but biologically she is in her 20s. I believe and Lucifer hasn't been in her life for most of it or at least they haven't been close since she was a child. Might be because of the separation or his depression shutting people out after Lilith left and took Charlie we don't know for sure unless Vivzie said in a stream.
@Alastorfan607
@Alastorfan607 9 ай бұрын
I love alastor he just wants to fuck with Lucifer by calling Charlie his “daughter” when I think we should know he doesn’t mean it
@BakaSupreme
@BakaSupreme 9 ай бұрын
First of all, when you said you were feeling hyper, you were not lying and I love it. It added so much energy to the reaction. Secondly, as someone with mild hearing loss and hearing aids, I fully appreciated the qtip rant. Thirdly, I think part of Alastor’s beef with Lucifer was over having the most influence over Charlie. It might also have to do with the deal Alastor made and why he’s been gone for seven years. That part though gets into spoiler territory and theory crafting.
@troikas3353
@troikas3353 9 ай бұрын
More Than Anything is actually my favorite song from the show. Admittedly they are almost all pretty close but it's just such a beautiful song and the animated sequence accompanying it is full of gorgeous imagery.
@tylerhendrickson2186
@tylerhendrickson2186 9 ай бұрын
This episode made me realize that I have daddy issues XD
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
twins 🎉
@dreymak4071
@dreymak4071 9 ай бұрын
We likely won't know why Lilith left until season 2, but I hope for Luci's sake that she wasn't one of those "I expect him to read my mind with no prompting from myself" sort of women.. I know what that's like first hand...
@hurin1
@hurin1 9 ай бұрын
Both songs were amazing. But I find myself hitting Hell's Greatest Dad more often on replay.
@dragon-ye2mw
@dragon-ye2mw 9 ай бұрын
So like, a detail, Lucifer calls Charlie every few months, Charlie hasn't called him in YEARS Charlie is also like very wrong Al was only helping her to remind people not to mess with him not for her and the Hotel, he pushed Mims away for using him, he is an evil schemer
@cephalopope6098
@cephalopope6098 9 ай бұрын
Between the short king in this episode and the tall queen next episode, my poor little bi heart can't take it.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
WORD, BRO
@childofbacchus
@childofbacchus 9 ай бұрын
Also, Luci’s so circus themed bc he’s literally the Ringmaster of the Circles of Hell 🥁
@shadowreaperbg7759
@shadowreaperbg7759 9 ай бұрын
24:00 that black eye thing ain't true it's just a theory, A FILM THEORY! I had to lol
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
respect; any opportunity to reference MatPat cannot go untaken
@Dark-Niks
@Dark-Niks 9 ай бұрын
Hope you get better soon.❤ Lucifer is by far one of favourites, so hope he becomes your favourite too.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
ah, thank you! im doin my best out here 😷 he is really really fun!!
@Shinobi-kill
@Shinobi-kill 9 ай бұрын
Love your reaction and I know Lucifer voice singing at the end was powerful in the heart
@childofbacchus
@childofbacchus 9 ай бұрын
29:49 so…remember from the first couple of episodes about how Charlie hasn’t spoken to Lillith in seven years? Guess who was *also* “missing” for seven years before oh so conveniently showing up at the hotel?
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
yeah, dude! I didn't mention it anywhere yet, but I'm headcanoning that Al signed a deal w Lilith herself 👁
@demonic_myst4503
@demonic_myst4503 9 ай бұрын
no black eye isnt cannon its a fan theory that the episodes allready debunked husk had black eyes in his flash back before he sold his soul
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
good point!
@wolfzilla1237
@wolfzilla1237 9 ай бұрын
Wonder if anyone has mentioned that Charlie went through a goth phase in her teenage years because that was literally a photo that was put up on the wall and the family portrait with Lucifer's room. Meaning he literally dealt with the fact of when Charlie called him cringe as a bisexual thing of Charlie was seems to be still implied in the show because in the plot you see her in a prom dress with another guy. which was a son of Prince or possibly the Lord the Leviathan in the ring of envy, which was another photo with him and his father guy in the same photo acting like friends. But for the last bit there I wouldn't take too much in the context because I don't quite remember it correctly
@josephschultz3301
@josephschultz3301 9 ай бұрын
Now we all just need to collectively bully Webster's into adding "Intellimagent" to the dictionary. With enough douchebaggery, even miracles are possible!
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I think if some bullshit that I say ever becomes an addition to Websters then I must've really made it in life
@ChaoticJester
@ChaoticJester 9 ай бұрын
What makes it even better is how Charlie's Manic Laughter sounds like a sheep/goat, which makes a lot of sense for it to do so.
@supernaturalsanderssides1870
@supernaturalsanderssides1870 9 ай бұрын
People are saying Luci has ADHD possibly which might be why he isn’t paying attention much like when Charlie said she’s talked to him before about the hotel and he forgot,Maybe he was being serious about being “Busy” cause he was focusing on something else so when he talks to Charlie on the balcony he was thinking about something else and that’s why he was confused
@hollowbrinethehollowfiedsu6365
@hollowbrinethehollowfiedsu6365 9 ай бұрын
just want to say, Satan rules over the ring of wrath (as the sin of wrath) which is where millie's family lives in helluva boss. So he might interestingly enough be a farmer or businessman who looks after the imps. personally I think it would be neat if he is actually Cain, son of adam.
@VaktheFox
@VaktheFox 9 ай бұрын
I'm honestly waiting to see Satan represented like a Kentucky Colonel.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
making him Cain would be a really interesting interpretation of him!
@AsobiMedio
@AsobiMedio 9 ай бұрын
Lucifer isn't too short, everyone in the hotel is just really freaking tall. Charlie is almost 6'7", which by comparison makes Luci maybe 5'10 or something.
@RoyalWreckingBall
@RoyalWreckingBall 9 ай бұрын
Lucifer is 5'2" because that has been confirmed by show staff. He looks closer than that in the show proper, I'll give you that.
@D34DM4NW47K1N6
@D34DM4NW47K1N6 9 ай бұрын
Ive always thought that hes either convincing himself or had convinced himself that theres no hope for sinners, so hes projecting those feelings outward and seeking validation that he gave up on his dreams. Sad lil man needed that hug.
@maggie_knolastname
@maggie_knolastname 9 ай бұрын
More Than Anything is my fav song of the show. It’s so beautiful!!!!
@bakuatempest2536
@bakuatempest2536 9 ай бұрын
love the video!!!! of course we get best silly guy lucifer who is depressed (like a lot of us here is so relatable omg, also hai its Yan Yan)
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I'm glad to hear!! Luci is a very silly fella, and we love him ♡♡♡ (hi, Yan Yan!!)
@Randerson2409
@Randerson2409 Ай бұрын
I choose to believe that Lucifer could absolutely have gotten there instantly, but deliberately left it an hour so he didn't feel like he was pushing into Charlie's life too readily
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol Ай бұрын
i love that idea! definitely cuter than "he had to wait for the angels to break the contract by harming a hellborn, not just a sinner"
@Brutalyte616
@Brutalyte616 8 ай бұрын
I recall hearing once a long time ago that Vizie gave a description ofAlastor's personality, saying that he hates children, but he's also got something of a soft spot for them, refusing to harm a child and protecting them from any immediate harm until he can get them out of his hair as fast as possible. If there's any truth to that, then Alastor fits well within the reluctant dad stereotype where he would never want children himself, but if circumstances forced a child into his care he'd protect them with his life and set himself up to grow very fond of them over time. So if Al genuinely starts to see Charlie as an adopted daughter, the only people who'd be even more protective of her would be Lucifer, Lilith, and Vaggie.
@gamerbear84
@gamerbear84 9 ай бұрын
Yes, in this universe Satan is the Sin of Wrath, he rules over the ring of hell Millie comes from.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I love the show connection there! ik them being owned by different LLCs makes it hard to have cameos/crossovers, but I sure hope we get one some day
@seanmurphy9913
@seanmurphy9913 9 ай бұрын
Wrath and pride
@gamerbear84
@gamerbear84 9 ай бұрын
@@seanmurphy9913 Pride is Lucifer's domain, the only ring inhabited by Sinners and the most commonly seen ring across both series.
@seanmurphy9913
@seanmurphy9913 9 ай бұрын
@@gamerbear84 but you said wrath too
@gamerbear84
@gamerbear84 9 ай бұрын
@@seanmurphy9913 That would be Satan's. These are not the same character.
@aranthur
@aranthur 9 ай бұрын
I can't imagine being the one to give humanity free will and then have to spend 10,000 years watching them use it to abuse, torture, and kill each other over and over Before the hotel, I wonder if Lucifer had EVER seen a sinner actually attempt to become a better person...
@XragebootsX
@XragebootsX 9 ай бұрын
In the opening backstory it’s told to us that Lucifer can only see the bad things that humanity does. So it makes sense that he looks down on humanity as he might not be able to tell that humans do good as well
@justinsolis7303
@justinsolis7303 9 ай бұрын
He has an angle with the angel
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
he do, but he's being obtuse about it
@darknessmohag6181
@darknessmohag6181 9 ай бұрын
The random picture that was behind the duck is an picture of Charlie in her Emo phase. XD
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I'm dead so embarrassed that I couldn't figure that out ive rewatched the episode since this reaction, and there were so many other shots with that picture in them too!!
@darknessmohag6181
@darknessmohag6181 9 ай бұрын
@@NevaehEvol hehe.. if you dead, could you say hi to Alastor for me XD XD
@baconpwn
@baconpwn 9 ай бұрын
We're 80% sure Nifty is harmless.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
YOU are 80% sure she's harmless I'M 80% sure she's gonna fuckin kill somebody and it won't be her first time either
@imthedude2351
@imthedude2351 9 ай бұрын
Can I just say I love how you call Anthony by his real name, rather than his stage name Angel Dust
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
It takes a bit of extra thought to do since I've known him as his stage name for years, but I feel like it's more respectful to address him as himself, so I'm working on it! I do slip sometimes, though
@snipsnip8785
@snipsnip8785 9 ай бұрын
20:42 can confirm i became partially deaf for a week
@ANBE05
@ANBE05 9 ай бұрын
i love your reaction and i'm so glady i found your channel a few days ago, hope you keep the reactions up
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
awh, thank you so much! that's really touching to hear 💚🪞💫 I'll do my best to keep em comin!
@shreddedninja
@shreddedninja 9 ай бұрын
Your the first person I've seen immediately think that Alastor is up to something when calling Charlie the child he'd always wanted. Everyone else thinks he's telling the truth so it's refreshing to see someone who actually understands the personalities of the characters.
@aubicgrande9221
@aubicgrande9221 9 ай бұрын
They’re just… dumb. Take things at face value. There are so many people like that, especially a lot of viewers watching this show. The pure reason for those lines was the get under Lucifer’s skin, read the room so to speak. There’s so many layers to this show, it’s insane people don’t investigate this onion.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I don't understand how people could trust him!! He has soooo many body language queues that show he has alternative motives and/or malicious intent
@aubicgrande9221
@aubicgrande9221 9 ай бұрын
@NevaehEvol That’s the thing! His character, everything about him… too mysterious. It’s so on the nose, that it can’t be. It can’t be oh-he’s evil because he wants to end the main cast-no, he provided half of it and continues to patronize the hotel. (See what I did there?) They’re in hell, everyone is crazy. They vary in degrees but the thing is, is not one of them isn’t. The only benefit to the sinners before coming to hell is they were “human”. That means unlike hellborns, they can have ‘human’ moral compasses too (it’s confirmed Alastor has one). In this case of the red traditional-looking devil. Vivzie’s design for this show, is just to great to let it be “oh he’s a bad guy-TO US after all.” She confirmed that he’s an ‘anti-hero.’ I can believe he’s a big bad, if that’s to everyone else trying to harm or get in the way of Charlie and his hotel, that is. I’m sure Alastor doesn’t intend for Charlie to get hurt-and to help her hotel. That’s at least an assumption, like how Alastor is evil… Yeah, yeah he is. But at least it’s easy to see, and maybe more so where he directs this “evil” at. It’s to those that want to do harm first, or threaten the foundation. We don’t know Alastor’s intention is the thing. He leaks evil, but it’s what you do with it that matters. What he says is menacing, and that’s good for us and his character! But it keeps it more mysterious and gives you the shivers-the enigma element we need in Hazbin Hotel.
@domacleod
@domacleod 9 ай бұрын
19:20 Yeah he doesn't care who Charlie sees as a father figure, he cares that Lucifer dislikes the thought of that being himself as. It's literally just Alastor trying his best to annoy Lucifer.
@EthanDarke
@EthanDarke 9 ай бұрын
It's funny you mention teen Charlie thinking he's cringe. Check out the scene when we first see Lucifer's room he's in. There's a portrait of Charlie with dark hair and frowning 😆 i think it's teen emo-phase Charlie
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
IS THAT WHAT IT IS? I couldn't tell on first watch through, but when I was staring at it while editing I felt like I was gaslighting myself fjskdnxks
@JeramiahPayton-nm2oj
@JeramiahPayton-nm2oj 9 ай бұрын
Did you see husks coffee mug it said f*ck mondays
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I did!! I love all the silly mug designs
@JerkyD
@JerkyD 9 ай бұрын
Was gonna ask if that was a burp at 5:43, but 43:53 confirmed it ;) (Very cute! More cute burps please!) Also, many thanks for describing my exact feelings about Nun Alastor :P
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
I'm glad you got a laugh out of em and of course! Nun Alastor will haunt my nightmares :D
@Zikkar
@Zikkar 9 ай бұрын
If you look at Lucifer from behind his jacket and design make the shape of an eaten apple core.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
ooo very cool!! good eye
@protosaber363
@protosaber363 9 ай бұрын
Alastor needs to be the center of attention, the best in the room. Al cant hold a candle to Lucifer in terms of power, so he does what he can to get under his skin because hes an egocentric, narcissistic ass.
@juliangamez4040
@juliangamez4040 9 ай бұрын
Charlie going through an emo phase is something I didnt see coming
@Sparten7F4
@Sparten7F4 9 ай бұрын
Something I noticed and MAY be reading into- Normally, Alastor smiles wide and toothily. But after More than Anything, he's smiling with his mouth closed, and he didn't interrupt - which struck me as, perhaps, him being HAPPY with everything
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
you have a point.. but i still don't trust it. I could see him being happy with the outcome if his goal was to manipulate Lucifer into helping, but *why would he do that?* what's his motivation? his joy from the hotel comes from watching people fail, so perhaps he wanted to see everything crumble after the inevitable refusal from the angelic council? I dunno man!! I want Al to have good intentions, but my gut tells me he's devious
@Sparten7F4
@Sparten7F4 9 ай бұрын
You misunderstand- I think he DOES care about Charlie, and WAS jealous - he has a SERIOUS insecurity issue lmao - but that meant he was happy when he saw how happy SHE was. There are certain events that I dunno if you've seen and thus won't comment on that leads me to believe that he's come to hold SOME KIND of affection for the Hazbins by the end, but I can't discuss those without spoilers lol. HOWEVER - yeah, he's also a ruthless old demon that is probably fixated on his ulterior motives. Doesn't mean htese are contradictory though- these characters are such a mess of idiosynchrosies that way that my faveorite maybe Ace baby can have a little hypocrysy lol. (please forgive the rambling I'm coming off a twelve hour shift lol)@@NevaehEvol
@Johnmaloney1962
@Johnmaloney1962 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for making my Saturdays even better
@skarletfenrir6979
@skarletfenrir6979 9 ай бұрын
Its honestly concerning how easily so many fans fall for Alastors manipulations and believe any nice thing said about him, dont get me wrong I love him but he is a lying piece of shit and you shouldnt trust 99% of the shit he says. After this episode came out so many people think 3 things 1 Alastor sees Charlie as a daughter 2 he is secretly a softie and 3 he is doing this for Charlie. I dont doubt that he does care for Charlie to some extent but I also dont doubt that he would slit her throat in a heartbeat if he thought it would make him more powerful.
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
EXACTLY. he is the kind of character to look out for #1 always and I DONT TRUST HIM. He functions on ulterior motives. Don't get me wrong, I *want* to trust him because it'd be so sweet for him to have that character arc, but he just serves "manipulate everyone to achieve my ultimate goal of superiority" and I cannot put any faith in him to do or be better than that
@aubicgrande9221
@aubicgrande9221 9 ай бұрын
What’s more concerning, is how many people can’t read between the lines and view it as black and white. -_-
@PennyTheLesbianWitch
@PennyTheLesbianWitch 9 ай бұрын
Finally someone sees the chibi lucifer! no one else seems to notice him
@darkpersona1462
@darkpersona1462 9 ай бұрын
I Personally like to think alastor was being a little bit truthful about Charlie (I may have daddy issues)
@NevaehEvol
@NevaehEvol 9 ай бұрын
*pats* It's a nice thought, buddy (I also may or may not have daddy issues)
@domacleod
@domacleod 9 ай бұрын
24:24 Think the black eye thing is both black eyes if you sold your soul for good, and one black eye if you're only owned in certain circumstances - like Angeldust is only bound in the Studio, and Vox's assistant is likely only bound at the workplace and/or basically forced NDA (if he discloses anything Vox is doing his soul is forfeit for example)
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