Train Driver Rules GSM-R In Cab Radio. Part 1

[@aidenbrewster4209]

As my father is a signaller, and I watched this, he walked into the room as you said “ I’m sorry we were putting so much on signallers” he literally said out loud “that’s the first time I’ve seen somebody apologise honestly, and chuckled

[@aidenbrewster4209]

Seriously, what happens in that box XD

[@Steven-qi4gm]

Im a trainee driver 16 weeks into my training, I’m on traction at the moment but it will be interesting to see you do these rules videos. 👍🏻

[@DadRail]

Good luck with the training Steven. It’s really useful doing this videos as it’s a refresher for me as well :-)

[@ExplodingPiggy]

Has your Instructor thrown some ballast at a Det to show you how they work yet? 😂

[@DadRail]

@@ExplodingPiggy They go BANG! I had to assits a failed train at Tulse Hill in South London last year. I ran over 3 detonators at just after midnight. 5 minutes later police sirens could be heard everywhere - whoops!

[@jameswingrove7421]

I love the dets. Just about to start driving with GB too! Good luck in your training matey 🙌

[@jamesangell6027]

I started as a trainee in April 2021 and I’m only 100 hours into my driving due to a lack of driving instructors. Good luck with your training my man!

[@andrewgray3816]

Thank you so much for posting this video. I got a job on the railway last year & I'd love a drivers job in the future. Your video is so helpful & informative. I had a driver say to me on the platform this week, "I'll SG the signaller" when I asked him if he wanted "belling" out. I didn't know what he meant, but I do now! 😄

[@DadRail]

No problem Andrew, it’s great to be able to share information and knowledge! Best of luck with your career aims! 17 years ago I started as platform staff and began my journey. Work hard and be honest and you will have a long and prosperous career.

[@Mautzi21]

I wish I had you as an instructor/ teacher like you when I did my classroom training.

[@NorthumberlandSnapper]

Very informative Richard. Thank you. Looking forward to part 2.

[@tm4609]

I hope there will be more KZbin channels like yours. For people like me who are endlessly curious about their interests, it's refreshing to have someone answering all the questions that traditionally could only be answered if you were an actual driver. Great video!

[@DadRail]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it

[@harrisongrant8558]

Very good overview of a pretty obscure topic. You mentioned the predecessors to GSM-R (NRN and CSR), I recall seeing a training film about railway communications protocols and difficulties in communications from the early 2000s (made by SPA Films, which was also coincidentally based in Royal Tunbridge Wells, Kent), and one of the drivers in that film straight-up said that the NRN cab radio system (which was still widely-used at that time) was rubbish and often didn't work properly (or the quality was so poor it was almost impossible to exchange information), so there was a very good reason for changing it.

[@DadRail]

I never had the pleasure of using the NRN network. When I joined CSR was well established. Even so the coverage was questionable at best

[@capyybaraa]

I love your Chanel I’m 14 right now! And my dream job is to work for South Western Railway. Amazing video!

[@DadRail]

Thank you so much. Keep at it You can achieve anything you want to. It was my dream to be a driver many years ago.

[@capyybaraa]

@@DadRail Glad you got it! Thank you!😄

[@angrytigger83]

In my area, if a driver is approaching a red signal or a platform and they receive "contact signaller" it usually means the signaller wants to give you info/instructions when you're at a stand at the sig/platform. If you're asked to contact the signaller between sections, it usually means they want to exchange non urgent information whilst you're still moving.

[@DadRail]

Yeah that’s pretty much the same in the areas I drive

[@patrickpatrick1479]

I am totally agree with you (15:30) as the accident in Spain 10 years ago is due to a driver distraction by the signaler. Also the train has the new signaling system and the track the old one, then when the driver missed the caution/reduce speed, the is no AWS Somewhere the old London underground system is not that bad. There was insulators and wires along the tunnel, if the train is broken down the driver has to open the cabinet, take the phone, open his cab door window, set the grips. By this way the signaller can not call.

[@Kyleinasailing]

The only contact I’ve had with a train driver was when I asked to put my bicycle into the luggage compartment, at the front of an HST125 about 35 years ago at Edinburgh Waverley. It was a bank holiday. The helpful person opened the door with difficulty but he so positively stank of alcohol and declared himself to be the driver……….that I was astonished. The train traveled so slowly to London and I thought just as well.

[@DadRail]

From some of the stories I have heard from the old hands I can well believe it. These days it’s zero tolerance on drugs and alcohol with routine random testing.

[@eddieking7736]

Great video, I've been looking for a long time for operational details of how to use GSM-R so thank you very much for the explanation. Looking forward to part 3 👍

[@DadRail]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Persephone_]

Surprised to see you pop into my recommended list again! I look forward to seeing more of these kind of videos :)

[@DadRail]

More to follow.

[@Dart180]

the fact that ive been wanting to want watch this for months but still havent proves that i have problems

[@travisjones7440]

I loved this video man. Great work. Keen for more of this content.

[@DadRail]

Lots more to come.

[@neville132bbk]

Welcome back... was wondering about you only yesterday here in LeviNZ

[@mdhazeldine]

Great video. Very clear explanation. You are the teacher to my curiosity!

[@DistrictDriver]

Interesting video! I had moved onto LU by the time GSMR was being introduced. We had CSR on the 165/166 units which was ok and a big improvement on the old NRN!

[@DadRail]

I never had the pleasure of NRN but remember CSR. What system do you use on the underground?

[@thegroupofreptiles6823]

Bit late to the party but London Underground uses TETRA, like the police and fire service :)

[@Ztbmrc1]

Hi Richard, I have always wanted to know how the GSM-R is operated. Although I have seen the GSM-R radios in trains here in the Netherlands, and they look different from yours. But in general they will work similar. Funny in TS on several UK lines you have the UK GSM-R and on the London-Brighton route, the one you have also made a video on, driving it, has the GSM-R working. Well at least the registration that is. Anyway, I am looking forward to part 2! Thanks for making these videos!

[@DadRail]

No Problem glad you enjoyed it. Part 2 coming soon

[@LV90463]

Hi, your videos are really helpful, good and informative, just one thing I would like to say that if you speak slowly would be really greater. Thanks for uploading your videos.

[@motorheadmalc]

The business of wrong routing reminds me of being a Secondman many moons ago on the Great Eastern Mainline, and the driver I was working with started slowing to a stop because we had a green signal where he was expecting a double yellow. It was the approach to Bow Junction, working a Class 5 (empty coaches) train from Liverpool Street to Thornton Fields Carriage Sidings. Usually, you'd get 'checked down' by the signaller to a suitable speed to negotiate the divergent line speed with a No1 route indicator arm on the signal protecting the junction from the Down Main to the Down Cambridge line, then a little further on to the permissively signalled A or B lines for entering Thornton Fields. We'd been signalled as though continuing straight on along the Main. Once the driver had brought us to a stand at the junction signal, got down on the ballast to use a signal post telephone and explain what we needed, we still had to wait another two minutes before the signal would clear for us as a safety feature in case the signaller had changed our route incorrectly. It was a really inconvenient place operationally to get delayed as it was quite an intensive service even back then, so there was a high chance of delaying one or more trains that may have been following us.

[@matthewcooper1231]

Really great video! I also live in the southeast of England and am looking to become a trainee driver so I can't wait to watch your videos and learn for when I apply for a role. Many thanks.

[@DadRail]

Thanks Matthew. I hope you manage to achieve what you want.

[@reglementme6321]

Victimizing signalers 😂, I’m a signalman controller/safetysupervisor at a concentrated signalbox, it’s so recognizable 😂😂😂

[@reglementme6321]

Likewise here😂🎉

[@FlickedMikeLit]

I've just started my 240 hours. Would definitely make use of some rules videos!

[@DadRail]

Best of luck with the training. You will learn a lot more out driving that will help to underpin your knowledge.

Always a joy speaking to signallers aka “the boaby”, from my point of view (technician on pendolino fleet) I love a good GSM-R fault 😂, always go for 1900 ✅ echo test

[@aeronautic2374]

Shed Rail was a genius move! Also I would never put in the effort to do three takes!!!

[@DadRail]

Glad you liked that! It was annoying having to re film but that’s the way it goes sometimes.

[@margotrasch5684]

Very interesting how it works in other countries, all the best for u all ;)

[@DadRail]

Thanks! 😃

[@PanzerFalcon2232]

I would say that the when you should use the urgent call button, is when something happens that the signaller needs to be made aware of, i.e. drunk people messing around on stations, broken or missing signals. And the Big red stop button for serious stuff, i.e. trespassers, debris on the line, derailments etc...

[@DadRail]

That’s a good point. I perhaps should have given some specific examples.

[@Tendies7645]

Thank you to recommendations, gsmr ASMR close enough I guess

[@MitchDenham]

Curious how different the radio system we Drivers (passenger electric) use here in Queensland, Aus, versus what you guys use. However, I believe we’re shifting from our open channel digital radios to GSM-R with the introduction of ETCS.

[@radiosification]

What are the open channel digital radios you use?

[@MitchDenham]

@@radiosification Tait is the brand of radio

[@radiosification]

@@MitchDenham sounds like it's probably DMR then

[@AidanMacgregor-Personal]

Im on the highland far north line and appears to not be GSM-R enabled

[@jasonbushell7080]

Great video.

[@shidzngigglez]

Hi, loving the content, can you give an example of an urgent call using the yellow button, thanks 🙏

[@NiceGuyEddie397]

Excellent!

[@joinmeonthedarkside2]

Brilliant

[@patrickspeaight9154]

Brilliant, like the pace thank you. On a completely different subject. I have noticed that grade, eg banks. Are these no longer an issue. Does this means that the modern traction is far more powerful. Does this mean a newly laid track have higher or steeper grades. Thank you

[@DadRail]

I think it is less of an issue these days, especially on high speed lines where the route follows the contours of the land. Multiple units are certainly better at handling gradients over loco hauled where the traction power is concentrated in one area

[@patrickspeaight9154]

@@DadRail your last, freight through West London. The bridge, highest point, where you needed to increase the power, what was the raise? I suppose my basic question is- how much difference has modern traction made to flatten out the permanent way? The Devon banks, etc, banking engines, are nit noted these days. That morth London video, is the best I have seen. Thank you for hard work and vision.

[@dandillinger-belcher9745]

Hi dad rail I have. A question this is more to do with a guard and can a guard have a handset radio and secondly. Can a guard make/receive calls from different locations/trains and people?

[@michaelbutterworth865]

What happens if two emergency group calls are started by two drivers witnessing the same emergency in the same cell area? Always wondered how the signaller would deal with these two calls at the same time.

[@DadRail]

Good question, I’m not 100%sure I guess by pressing the button trains are stopped so that has removed a large part of the risk.

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

How does the unit tell where you are if signal 30 would be identified by 030 and let's say signal 2030 would also be indentified by 030?

[@DadRail]

In that case one of the signals would have an alias plate with an alternative number to set up on

[@JintySteam1]

Most people watching this are probably made curious by GMSR since train sim devs simulate it.

[@railfangig6699]

I thought GSMR training would be part of a drivers training course, does it not apply now that information contained in publications etc should not be given to the general public.

[@DadRail]

All the information in this video can already be found in the public domain. If I can’t find it on google then I wont publish it.

[@DadRail]

www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/gsm-r-communicating-on-the-railway/gsm-r-for-drivers-and-signallers/

[@sondrayork6317]

It says emergency call, so…….. it’s obvious that you don’t ever wanna push it unless you have an emergency.

[@sauravrai5147]

Hii I m from India Can I apply for train driver in UK

[@DadRail]

Yes you can, as long as you have good English Language, and have all the Visas you need.

[@sauravrai5147]

Sir also I completed my education from CBSE Board is it valid for or equivalent GCSE . If it is valid so plzz guide me so that can fill all the requirements

[@richardperry5538]

And they said it would be fantastic and compared to CSR much better but in my experience isn't as great as we were told.

[@DadRail]

I’ve personally found it to be much clearer than CSR, it does like to loose network a lot though.

[@ExplodingPiggy]

All well and good until you work for a company that regards the rule book as an inconvenience rather than a safety manual

[@DadRail]

A couple of names come to mind…

[@andrewcrisp9700]

As long as you do it by the the book, they cannot throw at you if have an incident.

[@ExplodingPiggy]

@@andrewcrisp9700 I'm well aware, I just don't like the rules being watered down by the RSSB to decrease delays.....which they do ALL the time.

[@NINJAaustin1]

Wait ..... 🤣😎😴 freight drivers standard reply

[@DadRail]

You know it!

[@maxwellwynne-shepherd7852]

Signal: AD### GSM-R: Incoming Call. Signaller Hastings

[@DadRail]

Yeah fair point :-)