DAGGERS and CULTURAL IDENTITY - India's Famous KATAR and its Neighbours

[@thepuffin4050]

Glad to see you've continued to be Matt Easton

[@allmachtsdaggl5109]

I am always so worried he'd stop.

[@aaftiyoDkcdicurak]

Just as I was wondering if he was still Matt Easton 😌

[@l0rf]

The sacrifices appear to be working, Easton remains.

[@shatnermohanty6678]

One day he will become Matt Weston

[@NaturalSynthetic777]

Please do a video on straight arab and indian swords

[@philparkinson462]

I'd definitely like to see a more in depth delve into regional/cultural differences in katar design. Also find it interesting that the pesh kabz with its T section blade is designed for thrusting whilst the longer 'khyber knife' whilst having the same T section seems to be only for cutting.

[@sawyere2496]

I bet it has a lot to do with length

[@RiderOftheNorth1968]

The Khukuri is very much a tool that is used as a weapon when the need arises. A very different concept to the Katar that is a weapon, period.

[@Khadgadhara]

Dhal shields appear in Indian artwork from before the arrival of Islam, though it is true that their form changed with outside influences afterward. You can see them being held by statues of gods along with early style khanda.

[@skasteve6528]

I thought he said Persia, not Islam. Persia (and the states that preceded the Achaemenid Empire) and parts of India had trade and probably conflicts with each other going back thousands of years, so there are probably quite a few ideas that they borrowed from each other.

[@Khadgadhara]

@@skasteve6528 That is a good point. Seems worth looking into for sure.

[@kotimoto]

You can see the round dal in the temple of Hoysaleshwara temple in Halebidu, India, it's a very very old temple

[@nvimalkumara27]

I'm from south India I've seen forward curved also downward bent swords carvings in 6century Pallavas and Cholas rock temples. Curved sword predominantly carved with the person in horse back. I've learned from my grandfather that I have to use different footwork if I'm using a full curve sword on the ground. For foot soldier, slight forward curve swords are more effective than these persian type talwars. Katrar is a small and effective weapon. Hence, it is used by most of the people all over India. The one he is showing is probably used by a very young person. Because the blade should be 3/4 length of the person's arm. Kattars made in that way usually.

[@PHAGRICULTURE]

14:36 that's called in India “ ved kavach " - it's means “armour destroyer"

[@noviatoria2436]

It's interesting how weapon design can tell us a lot about cultural history. A lot of people on youtube talk about weapons in terms of how they're used in combat and the strengths and weaknesses of different designs, which is still interesting and cool, but it's also nice to hear some more historical context of what these weapons meant to the people using them, what they say about the people using them. Good video

[@robo5013]

If anyone is interested, Robert Howard (the creator of Conan) had a series of adventure stories set in early 1900's Afghanistan featuring an American adventurer named by the locals El Borak, which means 'The Swift.' They are a fun read and can be found for the Kindle fairly cheaply.

[@Theduckwebcomics]

It's a while since I read the old El Borak stories but I think they're not all set in Afghanistan? There's Persian settings and others - from memory 😅

[@robo5013]

@@Theduckwebcomics One was set in Saudi Arabia as he was there fighting alongside Lawrence of Arabia and was contacted by a friend in trouble and went to help. Other than that the rest are all set in Afghanistan though one adventure did take him from there across the border into Northern India. I just read them all again earlier this year. Howard did have other characters that were similar to El Borak set in the middle east and they are often packaged together with the El Borak stories in anthologies.

[@barbarossarotbart]

A video about all the other types of punching daggers would be interesting.

[@regularguy8110]

The thin Katar had that central raised ridge that reminded me of bronze swords. Great video.

[@rodagoose]

The combination of the curved sword in the main hand and hooded Katar in the off hand is visually very impressive. If they haven't already used that combo in a movie, they should!

[@albertdittel8898]

tedesci doesn't come from the word for "foreign", it comes from the germanic term for "the people" and is etymologically the same word as English "dutch" and of course as German self-denomination "Deutsch"

[@kimashitawa8113]

I was just going to say this i'm not familiar with Indian language, but Tedesci sounded wayy too much like Tedesco which is Italian for Dutch/Deutsch. Especially as he was just talking about Italians and Germans.

[@Abby_Liu]

@@kimashitawa8113he said it’s an Italian not Indian word

[@hic_tus]

bit of confusion here, but yeah his point was about the macro identity of an area, that was divided before but still had a lot of cultural similarities. like the germans and the italians in the middle ages, now unified countries. italy pretty young at that, to be fair, it's only 150ish years old lol. still everybody called us italians, right? maybe the meaning of "tedeschi" was not exactly right but great pronounciation, it's rare to hear an english speaker say the italian "ch" right 😁👌

[@brittakriep2938]

Deutsch has its origin in the Word theodisc, which means language of the people ( in contrast to latin as language of the church). Long into 18th century, deutsch was also written teutsch. Now in latin no word for theodisc existed, so some latin users remembered the Cimbri and Teutones.

[@kimashitawa8113]

@@Abby_Liu oh really? Then i misheard

[@inspiredbyrd]

Is this not a great subject for Tod to test a version of a (replica) of a katar against a dummy with chainmail?

[@DavidWilmotR]

I saw this linked just after this video, it appears to stab through some unknown plate armour - kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXLLlpydp82XmLc

[@Jim58223]

There are Sri Lankan Katars too. Which is a distinct separate country. I'd say it was so long before colonization. But they were most likely influenced by Indian ones or imported. Sri Lanka did have it's own sword and knife too though, the kastane sword and the piha kaetta knife.

[@ProfessorPro242]

you need to look into the curve swords bcs there are 1000 yr old temples with carvings of warriors using curved swords

[@tiltskillet7085]

I'm curious how katar were carried. Tucked into sashes? Scabbards? Back sheaths? :P Is there historical evidence of them being dual wielded at all (and not merely as an offhand with another weapon) or is that a video game invention?

[@hishamg]

On Indian miniature paintings katars are carried in their sheafs tucked in waist sashes. I’m not aware of any dual wielding, AFAIK in Indian martial arts swords are always used with shields (dhals).

[@tiltskillet7085]

@@hishamg Very helpful, thanks for replying!

[@atom8248]

​​@@tiltskillet7085There is a 17th century temple with a statue of a soldier wielding two katars, and a cavalryman with two katars on his hip. Not really proof of course that it was done, but I'm sure someone did lol

[@vishalyadavOO7]

As an Indian, from legends, sayings and proverbs, I listened everywhere that these were carried in a dagger cover on waist near hip or in front as well

[@udaynayar]

Purely video game invention they were primarily used as main gauche. They were carried at the waist or the lames would be lashed onto the arm along with the buckler to form a last ditch weapon

[@albertopiccinini3690]

Hi Matt! Today I recovered your video in which you talk about the best type of knife in case of attack by a large wild animal (bear, wild boar, lion, etc.). What do you think of katar/katara in this sense? I have seen that in some Italian-language sources katara is reported as a weapon used in big game hunting, in particular against tigers and wild boars. Although it does not have a traditional handle, the geometry of the blade and the shape of the tip could actually make it a good hunting weapon, which at the same time ensures great penetration and robustness of the blade. My only doubt is about the lack of variability in the way of holding it, and its rapid extraction. What is your opinion on this?

[@isaacjacobsen9341]

Awesome video! I think that the development of Indian national identity is more analogous to Russia, Hungary, Norway, and parts of Europe that developed their national identity separate from the ethnic identity (Fredrik Barth’s “Ethnic Groups and Boundaries”). I think it’s hard to conceptualize just how massive India is and comparing it (a continent) to Germany or Italy (individually comparable to the Indian states of Uttar Pradesh, Rajastan, or Gujarat in size and population) doesn’t give proper credit to just how complex the subcontinent is

[@LarthV]

Not so sure, actually. I get your point, but consider that the ethnic make up of both Germany and Italy is surprisingly diverse in particular when comparing north and south. But certain cultural traits were common among each.

[@isaacjacobsen9341]

@@LarthV the variation between different German ethnic groups is the same as the differences within Indian ethnic groups (regional variations in Hindustanis for example)

[@LarthV]

While I lack the knowledge to be able to determine the exact factors, and size of geography seems to support your claim, I would still see the comparison surprisingly fitting, albeit needing to adjust for scale. Norway on the other hand is too sparsely populated even when compared to Italy, and too homogenuous except for Sami who have virtually nothing in common with Mainstream Norse, Hungary is smaller than both and even more an ethno state, and Russia is on the one hand a result of forced assimilation, and on the other lacks cultural cohesion since the population is much sparser. So my point was mostly that I am not sure your other examples are better comparisons.

[@peterchristiansen9695]

I don’t want to disagree with any specific argument in this particular thread; but I’d just like to point out the absolute fact that the entirety of what we understand today as the ‘Indian Subcontinent’ has been colonized and recolonized repeatedly since very early human history.

[@isaacjacobsen9341]

@@peterchristiansen9695 in what way does anything I say argue against the subcontinent being colonized and populated by different groups Saying there’s “no hope for humanity” out of nowhere is crazy dude If you want to discuss any of the waves of conquest do you want do talk about the Zagrosi hunter gatherers, Aryans, Persians, Durranis, Greeks, Tibetans migrating to high valleys of Nepal, the constant mixing of Pashtuns and Panjabis in the northeast, the constant mixing of Pashtuns with other Central Asian groups like Tajiks and Hazara, etc ?

[@driver8sk]

I think the grip style is interesting. European/northern daggars seem to be built around a hammer grip, where the indian weapons I think you'd want to be a bit more loose. With the katar, it looks like you'd bust your knuckes if you held it tight vs. loose grip and pushing with the pad of your palm.

[@mtgAzim]

Hey Matt, maybe for Halloween, or next April 1st, you should be someone other than Matt Easton for an episode. That would be funny. But who would you be?

[@WhatIfBrigade]

This would be a funny collaboration concept where two KZbinrs switch sets and imitate the other in character for April 1st.

[@JesusVillalobos]

"Here is an exotic weapon I just happen to have lying around". Good God Matt, I want your life!

[@elizabethopoulos4894]

I've got a punch dagger/brass knuckle thingy that my mom/grandparents picked up when they lived in Tonga. It's got a wooden "D" shaped handle with shark teeth sewn into the arch of the "D".

[@michaelsullivan8934]

The idea of 'national knife' is a fun one. I guess here in the states that'd be the bowie.

[@jodycarter7308]

Second place - Arkansas toothpick. But yeah, definitely the Bowie.

[@mihirpushpbisht6434]

Please make one on the antenna swords and copper shields of Sinhauli (Indus Valley Civilization Era)

[@FireCat14]

Please make a video about the Scissor Katar and Gun Katar as well! There's a Trident Katar as well!

[@WhatIfBrigade]

I'm curious about how these would perform vs. armour, particularly maille. Really needs to be a Tods Workshop style series daggers vs. armour. Katar, bollocks, rondel, main gauche....

[@MrKezzerdrix]

The sword used in the old Willow movie by the bbeg was a pata.

[@indrajitgupta3280]

The Nepalese/Gorkha word for mercenary was Lahure, from the people who joined the Sikh Empire with Lahore as its capital, as mercenaries. So their soldiers for hire roles started long before the British thought it would be a good idea to recruit Gorkhas into their armies. The word Lahure is still in vogue.

[@Kaiyanwang82]

I didn't know the Hooded Katar. Thank you for the video, Matt.

[@TheRenegadeHamster]

Always love a video on Indian weapons!

[@World0fWowcraft]

I once saw a Katar with a small gun attached to it

[@torianholt2752]

Yeah, some of them had gun barrels on each end of the hilt/handle too, with triggers for both the index and pinkie finger.

[@PHAGRICULTURE]

Love from india 🇮🇳 brother 🤟🏻❤

[@kruger2103]

Overall a nice video but somewhat missing in facts(read my long commnet if only interested), actually india was one of the biggest economy in the world before islamic and british invasion. Its an ancient country and talwars' curved shapes( talwars themselves alwyas had types) were not inspired from middle east or islamic invasion rather vice versa(just like how the concept of digits and 0 travelled from india to middle east and then rest of the world) Also the steel, which everyone calls as "DAMASCUS STEEL" was invented in India and travelled the same way. Also India always existed infact much larger in size(extending up untill from boundary of russia to southeast asia-you can check how hindu temples and artifacts are being found even across persian and southeast regions etc across the world), its just that after colonizations and invasions our land is now rather "disintegrated" than united.

[@Q966aZxEWzmKLc8zBfMB]

On the topic of Indian unification (which relates to the occurence of things like the katar variants throughout the subcontinent), the country was unified under a few different empires through history, approximating the modern boundaries. Notably, the Gupta empire, the Mauryans, the Mughals, and the Marathas all at some point or the other unified most of the modern Indian territory (and indeed regions _outside_ the modern boundaries such as Pakistan, and Afghanistan). The Sindhu-Saraswati civilization FKA Indus valley civilization also had settlements that reached all the way from western Pakistan to the Gangetic plains, and reaching southwards into the deccan plateau. This is probably one of the reasons for cultural similarities in things like weaponry. When I visited the national museum in New Delhi, I also happened to observe pottery decoration patterns which are still in use by artisans today, you can find pots with similar designs by the roadside.

[@kotimoto]

The shield l/dal is not an import, see the carvings in the ancient temple of Hoysaleshwara temple in Halebidu, India

[@wylde_hunter]

Another great, very informative video. Thank you Matt.

[@andreweden9405]

Here in the US, during the pre-Bowie period on the old Northwest frontier (c. 1750-1830ish), the favored combination was the tomahawk and the longknife (or sometimes a dagger aka "dirk"). Frontier fighters would also carry a smaller knife called a scalping knife, or sometimes just "scalper". Of course, this is in addition to a rifle, and for the more well-off, oftentimes a pistol.

[@antoittoop6031]

I've seen a special version of katar , featured in the south Indian Kamal Hassan movie ' vishwaroopam , it's a katar which opens up when the grip is squeezed to present a main blade, covered by two sharp metal covers which also acts like 2 different blades , so it's more like a wolverine katar😅.

[@j_taylor]

Were the grips padded somehow? This looks like it would put a lot of force into a small area at the base of the thumb of the wielder.

[@KMShinobiFox]

This is really interesting! I'd love to see a similar video on the regional blades of the Philippines.

[@SpiggyTech]

That Pesh Kabs has been with Matt forever. Scholagladitoria FunFact: That knife first appeared 10 years ago in the channel's first 15 minute video.

[@spineyswordfish]

This video was great, please do more katars videos.

[@harshmahale898]

Excellent content 🚩🇮🇳

[@daemonharper3928]

Great vid. Very interesting - fabulous looking pieces. That Afghan Pesh-Kabz, much like Rondel daggers - just looks nasty and efficient at it's purpose.

[@Jtbrahh]

It's interesting how weapons, particularly knives, can often be used to identify different distinct peoples. Saxon may be related to the name of the distinctive "seax" knife from proto-Germanic *sahsa meaning "knife" or "dagger." Frank may come from the proto-Germanic *franko meaning "javelin" or "spear."

[@rohang-w1371]

Hey, quick question about what you mentioned at the beginning of the video about Persian style blades being added onto the Indian style handle. I've heard mentioned often that the Indian style handle "forces" the user to draw cut and therefore encourages the user to cut "correctly", and this is the justification for the shape of the handle. If that style of handle existed in India before the backwards curved blade and and was also used for straight and even forwards curved blades, why was it used? Or was a different version with more space used? It just seems interesting that a handle that I've heard often referred to as being designed specifically to enhance the backwards curved blade was used before backwards curved blades were commonly introduced in India. Thanks for reading this, have a nice day :)

[@hendrikvanleeuwen9110]

Migration era (‘Viking’) swords also have tight grips that lock the wrist and encourage the same slicing cut, and are straight bladed. So I would say that the assertion the hammer grip has something to do with curved blades doesn’t hold up.

[@stefthorman8548]

Alot of Bronze aged cutting swords also were hammer gripped

[@xipietotec]

I have seen the pesh khabs used in the offhand in a downward grip *with* a katar, in the same hand, as an offhand two-pronged parrying weapon.

[@coldburn9956]

I remember an educational book series in my elementary school library that had images of this type of dagger on the front cover. That was the beginning of my interest in arms & armor being peaked at a young age.

[@coldburn9956]

Ironically enough I believe “Arms & Armor “ was the title of the books 😂

[@joelhall3820]

Hey Matt I just finished Swordsmen of the British Empire and am looking for something specifically on Indian weapons. Any suggestions?

[@DouglasBriton]

Thanks That was really interesting.

[@wgabrys88]

TOPIC for FUTURE VIDEO: Spear - but, made from modern material, foldable? or some telescopic mechanism? *spear is one of the best self defence tools, problem is - how to "fold" it during travel and "unfold" it when needed *using modern materials, maybe it is possible, even easy?

[@michaelfuson4490]

That's pretty easy. Build it like a Walking cane. A few years ago, I made a custom hiking cane with a bradd pistol grip handle and a concealed ice spike. The rubber boot just threads over it. If you were trained to fight with spears, you can use it quite easily.

[@michaelfuson4490]

Brass

[@wgabrys88]

@@michaelfuson4490 nice project! In my case I am looking for concealment (on your back, you can have, knife, short spear and maybe, two of them that will be possible to connect very fast - again, modern materials are taking people into cosmos so maybe it is possible to do that and still remain tough, like one hard shaft🤔)

[@Xileph410]

Thanks for all the great content. I have a question about katars. How they were carried?

[@khodexus4963]

The thing i find interesting about this idea of a unified but separate national identity, is that even without knowing this about historical India, this is the exact world building approach I've taken for Orcs. I call it the Unaligned Orc Nation. They have no centralized governance, no single leader, their cultural identity is fractured among dozens of tribes, kingdoms, city-states, etc. but there are cultural norms, ideals, and values that they all share, to the exclusion of outsiders, and despite all their differences, they will still band together against outside threats without batting an eye.

[@RohitSharma-vj1sw]

Are you comparing us with orcs ?

[@khodexus4963]

@@RohitSharma-vj1sw Not at all. Though even if I were, it's not like the orcs in my setting are inherently evil or anything. No, what I was doing was observing how this idea for how a regional identity might form alongside dramatic differences between sub-groups within the region has more historical precedent than I had originally realized.

[@RohitSharma-vj1sw]

@@khodexus4963 understandable, have a nice day.

[@billmelater6470]

It does answer the question of why some designs simple didn't take to other regions. Seemed odd that for some there doesn't seem to be any equivalent styles.

[@funwithmadness]

Welp... Looks like I'm, now, going to have to model that katar with the hand guard and produce an STL file of it. Thanks, Matt. Like I don't have enough work to do.

[@orginyigam732]

One very interesting fact that almost nobody talks about is that katar was invented out of the head of a broken war trident (trishul) in southern part of India a couple or so thousand years ago... I was told about this by kalaripayattu guruji recently..

[@isamartell]

Nice job representing how they differed based on region.

[@thetruemorg]

Love it! Thank you!

[@RKarmaKill]

The man Matt Easton puts a smile on my face whenever I am having a shit day. The genuine man

[@a.bettik8698]

Looking at the pieces you present in this video, it becomes clear how it was popular as a mail-piercer

[@zionosphere]

Can you do a video on the urumi and other whip-like swords?

[@nikemozack7269]

Speaking of "iconic daggers", the most famous but unknown or ignored in the West, are the Caucasus area Kindjals.

[@tommeakin1732]

11:30 I don't speak Italian, but that sounds rather a lot like a word stemming from Proto-Germanic "*þiudiskaz" (of the people, of the tribe). That's the same root as "Deutsch", "Dutch", "tysk" and "thedish".

[@-RONNIE]

Thanks for the video

[@abhishekchaturvedi3558]

You are missing a very special Kataar in your collection, there is one which has a blade that splits open in the middle when you squeeze the middle bars in your fist. Designed to cause maximum damage to internal organs.

[@WhiteCollarCrimeDNB]

Pesh Kabz is the S Tier knife profile of history.

[@-Anarion-]

How do you mop your floor with all these blades laying around

[@johncook3817]

Very interesting. Look forward to a deeper look at this type of dagger 😊

[@vayamasti]

Further, FYI the iconic Nepalese khukri has been a popular side arm and multitool used by cow heard owning shepherds of Indian plateaus and mountains. It was originally popularised during era of Guru Gorakshanath, after whom the followers came to be known as Gurkhas. It's strange, despite your knowledge and definitely the efforts pour in research for history of weapons you people are so less informed, and, spreading confusing and contradictory facts regarding some widely known things here!

[@michael3088]

That last one whas nuts!

[@AnoNYmous-bz2ef]

Random curiousity, how were katars worn?

[@veximmortalis8622]

I wonder if there is a punch rondel dagger. Would it be any more effective?

[@darrinrebagliati5365]

I found it logically captivating, but the anthropology irritatingly interesting. The differences in areas of bordering peoples are kinda staggering. Katar to kuhkri to dao to differences between these types within a society. Gotta think that maybe one was designed for combating the other: at least once.

[@MikeSaha89]

Greetings 👍

[@darksoul4721]

I've seen katars in the paintings of Maharana Pratap, where he keeps it in his waist.

[@JuaneDosesII-wj6dd]

I want one

[@M.M.83-U]

I see a very interesting, very ethnographic, serie in the near future.

[@TheLordArion]

May you always remain Matt Easton

[@fatman4792]

ill keep sayong it till it happens csn we get a collab on these with windlasd royal armouries? huge lack of repro indo persian weapons like katars and pesh kabz amongst other blades

[@scottjackson8771]

You should do the Bowie knife

[@Aditya0227]

unification if India did happened during Maurayan empire but broke sadly

[@tonybennett638]

The man 👍

[@michael3088]

I like the romanticism of nationl daggers/swords. I know not alot of people would agree eith me but i believe everyone should be legally to wear one that they feel repents a sense of cultural identity especially as we get more globalist and people migrate because at the end of the day everyone thats alive in the planet is a product of a warrior culture that has survived. love for indians to be able to wear a katar, italians a steleto, me an Anglo with a broken-back Seax ect. Its something of cultural history thats tangible.

[@watch-Dominion-2018]

Please do a review of Berserk 1997 for its combat and historical accuracy 🙏

[@williamarthur4801]

The Wallace has a good few on display at the moment tied into the Ranjit Singh exhibition.

[@balaam_7087]

Can you help me beat the lion in Fort Gael so I can get the Katar? I’m stuck on him 😓

[@researchanalyst4017]

Can you talk about why that type of weapon never caught on anywhere else?

[@docbill224]

How about a show on the jambiya

[@tezkatepuka]

Got to know about the katar thanks to soul blade

[@nobodyexpectssi4654]

Tremendo instrumento de cirugía

[@ruggerogrottanelli3655]

Question, why did Indians have antiarmor daggers without full body armour while in Europe antiarmor daggers appear only after the whole body is covered in mail? Was Indian armor as protective as 1100 knights' armor or did they just invent it earlier in the arms race?

[@GreaterAfghanistanMovement]

Pesh-Kabz did not originate in Persia but Afghanistan. Its a native Afghan weapon.

[@benjamin4894]

Aghanis are essentially Persian. They predominantly speak Dari, which is a dialect of Farsi.

[@GreaterAfghanistanMovement]

@@benjamin4894 Nope. We are ethnically Pashtun (what the word "Afghan" means) and we have our own language called Pashto. There is a reason we are different countries because we are different people.

[@benjamin4894]

@GreaterAfghanistanMovement Pathans are just one of the many ethnic groups found in Afghanistan, in addition to the Hazara, Tajik, Turkmeni, etc. That said, Pathans generally inhabit the south and are just as likely to be found in the northern regions of Pakistan (ie Peshawa, where the Taliban actually originated and predominant language is Pashto, rather than Urdu). Pashto is not the most widely spoken language in Afghanistan.

[@GreaterAfghanistanMovement]

@@benjamin4894 False, Pashto is the national language of Afghanistan and over 55% of Afghans speak it is a first language. Dari is just a lingua franca. Pashtuns have nothing to do with Pakistan as our lands were cut by the British when they created the Durand Line, otherwise, those Pashtuns in Pakistan are also afghan by roots. I don't need a westoid telling me about my country. You are dismissed.

[@Sourdo1]

A suggestion: Why not place a small table right in front of you when you have things to show or demonstrate. This would eliminate the constant reaching down to the floor off camera when changing items.

[@omshanti5885]

SHIELD KHETAKAM DHAL IS IN INDIA B4 N NOT BROUGHT FROM OUTSIDE

[@Ichithix]

Is that long one as awkward to use as it looks?

[@dantherpghero2885]

Matt: I can't show you everything in one video. also Matt: Proceeds to show multiple different weapons.

[@Serahpin]

You see those warriors from Hammerfell?

[@stellifriends7785]

were these katar used in Pakistan and Bangladesh?

[@ExtremeZZZLifeOnTheEdge]

The Ahom dynasty also used the Katar.

[@PHAGRICULTURE]

You know much more then some indians