Daiwa Airty PC LT2500-H vs Shimano Vanquish 2500s comparison

[@Jack-tn8im]

I watched this vid again. This is the best and down to earth review I've seen so far. I do not like the idea of sending my reels for service I rather do it myself.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Its a big dilema too if you accidentally dunk your reel in saltwater then the repair shop will not be able to work on it immediately and just sit there for how many days. Then when its time for them to work on it the bearings have rusted and now they charge you more to replace those. Then worse you wait for xx amount of days again if they have to order the parts. Happened to me personally on my Certate

[@philipfalco7304]

I don't own the Airity yet but I just used my 23' Vanquish C2000S and C2000SHG and the line management is perfect and the line just flies effortlessly off the spool compared to my 19' versions but the 23' Vanquish's don't give you that floating low inertia spin that the 19' models did. I went with the Vanquish first because they match most of my rod's. The Airity is by far better looking though. Thank's for the video. Spot on!

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Im kinda regretting not buying the old model since I thought the tech on the new Vanquish would be a big improvement. But the reel performs well for my intended purpose for it

[@DrJanLindberg]

Drag is best on Airity and gear quality is at the highest level with cold forged A7075 alloy.

[@physlo]

Been fishing with Stradics, Twinpowers and Stellas all my life. 40 plus years, never had any issues. Sold away my Saltigas, Certate. I am very keen to get 23 Vanquish for my bass fishing.

[@pasqualec.3368]

the resistance comes from the magsealing, thats why they made an ST versions. ST for sensitive tune without any magsealing, with less resistance but only for freshwater fishing.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

I was looking closely at that new Airity and from what I heard it performs more closely to the Vanquish.

[@Henry-xh8ec]

Great comparison video. You were correct by comparing them to cars for the maintenance. Both are good reels.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

I used these reels side by side today. I noticed on the water the Airity felt buttery smooth and the start up inertia is not as heavy but the new Vanquish with its lighter rotation doesnt make you feel worn out after a day of use. Dont get me wrong the Airity is not that behind with the rotational feel but I can say both of them are really good

[@Henry-xh8ec]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice I enjoy using both reels too. Each has there place.

[@DrJanLindberg]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice It is worth the few extra grammes to choose the PC versions, IMHO. Not only strong but also buttery smooth

[@raymundmonica8884]

Airity for me. Cos if i go home that I don't catch a fish that day. I know my reel is looking good. 😂😅😊 Thanks for the nice video

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

The airity is one heck of a reel. I noticed using it in the field, its becomes smoother plus being so light you wont get worn out fishing all day.

[@fluffi8161]

I found daiwa ugly 🥴

[@watchman316ly]

Yes- digi gear vs. miget gear...lol! I have had no problems with Daiwas yet. My Shimano reels had issues with grit and stuff getting in it.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Daiwa reels are solid specially with the monocoque body. Its just a pain if it gets dunked in saltwater and dont have the tools and grease to strip it down asap so it doesnt damage it further

[@Boris29311]

Great review,very helpful. I live in the Netherlands where there's no Daiwa- service center.I've owned a Daiwa 20 Luvias but after frequently used for a year and a half the gears broke down. I really like the smooth feeling from Daiwa but untill I figured out a way for the maintenance issue no more Daiwa for me . Unfortunately I'm not someone who is able to do the maintenance self. Next week a Vanquish will be delivered which I ordered from Japan because I think Vanquish reels sold in Europe are made in Malysia. It would be very helpful to me if you could show me how to remove the rearcap from Daiwa and maintenance the gears from the reel this way.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

I was mistaken the bottom cap on the Airity can be removed easily similar to the Certate. With this reel the only way to partially service this is by unscrewing the side plates with the special socket tool. Im currently busy with my job but one of these days ill create a video since I have to do routine maintenance on my Airity also. I will send you the link to the video so you can have an idea how you can service your reel.

[@danielwutfisho]

Brother no vanquish is made in Malaysia 🤣. You are just buying it for a higher price in europe compared to Japan but it comes with proper warranty.

[@touaevang]

What’s the difference between the pc and non model pc?

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

I apologize for the delay since ive been very busy at work but based on Daiwa's website PC stands for Power Custom. This what Daiwa archives describe what PC stands for A PC model that controls the power fight is also available All models are equipped with Daiwa’s unique waterproof durability technology mag shield in the pinion part and line roller part and fully compatible with salt water. We also have a “PC” model equipped with a deep groove spool that can secure a sufficient amount of winding thread and a round knob that demonstrates its power in power fights.

[@tmwhh]

In germany it is 579 for airity and 450 for vanquish. Therefore the vanquish is way more popular.

[@FaxmFaxm-j7e]

How? my country same price

[@CannonCountry]

I have a 4000stradic a 3000vanford a 2500 and 4000 certate and a 3000 exist My 2500 certate is my favorite by a lot Was thinking about a vanquish or a airity in the 2500 This review makes me think maybe not on both 😂 You might have just made my wallet and my wife happy Are you still happy with both? I’m freshwater only out in Kentucky

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@CannonCountry still happy with both reels since its very light and comfortable to use. But the reels in your arsenal are all solid so theres really no need but its all up to you of course. Tight lines 🤙

[@duriansalad-bs7gm]

I ❤ shimano vanquesh..

[@ThomasHudec]

Hello, you think PC 2500 model is much more stronger than 2500s model with smaller body? I cant decide which one pick up for trout fishing on the river where i use tight wobler around 6cm like a Rapala CountDown Elite 55 etc. Thank you very much for answer if you have more experience. Thomas

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

If line capacity is not an issue and you are targeting trout on a river, you can go with the Vanquish 2500s and even with only 4kg of drag. The Vanquish can still handle big fish as well since on my end I use this reel in Saltwater and was able to land a 20in size speckeled trout using 0.6pe(14.5lbs) w.o feeling under powered. If you want more versatility for the just in case consider the PC LT 2500 since it has 10kg of drag and has more line capacity. So you can have the option of running a bigger line on it compared to the Vanquish. Both reels got plenty of power so either ways you wont go wrong. Hope that helps narrow down your choice

[@YzKnox]

Is this PC 2500 model has the same main body vs the lt3000-h model for the airity ?

[@vsonic86]

Definitely airty for me, love looks, color, spool, seem to have power gear, and sexy handle. It would be nice if possible to change knob to something round!

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Im about to instal the Slp works knob on the Daiwa Airity later so be on the lookout

[@Uygkuyfkutfkytfkutfv]

I’ve put a cork handle on my 23 vanquish, it feels great.

[@sorhol]

Are you sure you can just open the cap at the bottom to add grease to the main gear? On earlier Luvias 20 models you have to remove spool, rotor, magseal and everything to unscrew the long screw holding the cap

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

On this one from what I saw the only way to partially disassemble this is tru the side plates. I was mistaken that I thought you can easily remove the bottom cap like how it is on the Certate

[@vladzorescu9426]

I'm curious, which reel would balance better on an 8,6 lunamis or dialuna. I was thinking to buy myself an 8-9 ft rod but I'm not sure how they would balance if they're tip heavy or enjoyable for long fishing sessions

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Ive noticed the Lunamis tend to be tip heavy due to the monocoque handle being hollow inside. If balance is a big issue for you I would recomend a reel weighing around 220 grams for the 8'6" version. I think the new Stradic or the upcoming TwinPower pairs well with this rod. Hope that helps

[@vladzorescu9426]

​@@bestthingsinceslicedrice Thankyou it very much did I appreciate the help :) . I was looking towards some of the sustain reels but the new twin powers also look very nice

[@javiperezalbizu5746]

Buen video ,muy ilustrativo,un saludo

[@thatonebeone]

looking to get a daiwa exist/airty ....is the 2000 and 2500 pretty much the same ? as in body and rotor ? dont daiwa use same body/rotor for their 1000 and 2000 so you can use a 2000 spool on a 1000... i know shimano has the vanquish and stella on 1000 has its own size rotor and cant put a 2000 spool on a 1000 reel

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

I dont know to be honest but im guessing the difference between the 2000 and 2500 would be the line capacity and the drag but most likely same body and rotor as what you have mentioned. But double check Daiwa's website to be sure. Also consider getting the new Airity ST version since from what ive heard the performance is more close to the Vanquish

[@maasai-]

Oh no , for casting performance there IS a difference if ur casting techs. good enough , same rod, line n lure , reels r stella 5000 fk ( which is similar to ur vanquish in this aspect) n daiwa certate 5000lt again similar to ur airity , line lay @slow worm gear osc along with a better spool lip angle enhanced with long stroke , that’s almost big pit reel compination features for regular spinning reel !

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Im currious to test out the difference in tech between the Vanquish vs my old beater Okuma Ceymar. The line on my Okuma Ceymar has thicker line so after I spool it with the same diameter. I want to see how big of a difference is the casting distance.

[@DrJanLindberg]

Daiwa has the best spool lips and best drag!

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@DrJanLindberg i cant tell the difference to be honest but thats why if you can afford to buy both go for it as what I tell others

[@SeanFC74]

I have also both 23 vanquish 3000sdh and 23 airity lt2500. The vanquish is smoother but I like the look of the airity better.

[@DrJanLindberg]

In a year or two the Vanquish will start to deteriorate, and be less smooth, but the Airity will be smoother than anything, because of tight tolerances and superior main gear alloy (A7075 aluminum). Only the 22 Exist has this highest end aluminum alloy for gears so far, except for the new 23 Airity, and the new 23 Saltiga.

[@philipfalco7304]

@@DrJanLindberg Oh, give me a break Doc. I've been fishing for 50yrs. and have owned both Daiwa's and Shimano's. I still have Shimano's 20+ yrs. old and they're just as smooth (with little maintenance) as the day I purchased them. Take a guess how many Daiwa's that lasted more than 5yrs.? ZERO!. I still own a Calais 100A, 2 Chronarch magnesium's, Stella FA 2500, the Original (White) Aero Stradic 2000, and a Stradic FB 2500 Magnesium. Not only have I caught thousands of Bass on these reels but also caught a 125LB. Tarpon on the Aero Stradic 2000 with 8LB. test. I don't consider myself a Shimano fanboy, I just go with whomever makes the best. I still buy Daiwa also. I have 3 Tatula's and 1 Kage and at least 8 Daiwa rods but when I'm putting up BIG money, it's now going to Shimano.

[@DrJanLindberg]

You need Daiwa high end reels! The 22 Exist, 23 Exist SF, 23 Saltiga and 23 Airity are better than any Shimano. I have been fishing for 60 years and also worked as authorised reel service technician. For a few years I designed some spinning reel parts for Fin-Nor.@@philipfalco7304

[@ShelbyNikon]

Which one will will cast further the 23 Airty or the 23 Vanquish? I am going to buy the 5000 series. Thank you.

[@philipfalco7304]

@@ShelbyNikon If you're in Saltwater and want a 5000 series I personally wouldn't buy either. You're better off going with a better sealed reel from Shimano or Daiwa intended for Salt.

[@Jaortega805]

im looking to get the airily 2500 , would 10lb braid work in this reel ?

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Yes it should be fine its just going to take alot of line

[@Jaortega805]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice I currently have the daiwa certate 2500xh spooled up with 10lb braid …. I see the airity specs say 0.8 PE don’t really know what that equals to so just wanted to know if 10lb braid will be ok to run ont the airity PC LT 2500 H

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@Jaortega805 0.8pe japanese braid is equivalent to 22lb on a 8 strand braid and 10lbs on a 4 strand. Hope that helps btw congrats since both are great reels👍

[@Jaortega805]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice very very helpful thank you . I’m curious now about the Airity 23 LT2500S-XH… says 0.6 PE 200m will i still be Able to get about 180 yards of 10lb braid on the spool ? I’m used to USA specs from the daiwa website haha

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@Jaortega805 from the this chart www.varivas.fishing/japanese-fishing-line-size/ says 0.8 has 0.148mm in diameter So check the US braid for comparison on the 10lb line since US Braid tends to run bigger also depending on brand

[@pilototodidak]

Daiwa is the best but shimano very smooth

[@Jack-tn8im]

I bought daiwa exist and lower model fuego recently and absolutely hate them. They produce wind knots. I know I should pay attension to the line but I don't have to do that with my shimano reels. Now I can't sell the exist because everyone wants it half free and I am not feeling like father Christmas at all.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Half price? Tell them you agree but in one condition. You slap the reel in their face lol. Low ball offers on a high end reel is the most insulting thing so I know fully how you feel since I experience that also all the time.

[@Jack-tn8im]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice Yes it is so damn frustrating. Funny enough one of my friend's work colleagues going to buy it from me for reasonable price, I just spoke with him. Feeling better now 😂 Nothing wrong with the reel apart from the fact that Shimano does it for me better. But that's just me.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@Jack-tn8im Thats great news and no slapping needs to happen 🤣. The reel has to perform based on your application so if Shimano does it better for you. Theres nothing wrong with that, you buy the reel that works best for you. Tight lines 🤙

[@Jack-tn8im]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice You too mate, thank you.

[@leepao6302]

Always Shimano, like you say when it comes to maintenance it's a big factor; in regards to purchase your fishing gears investment, and if a company going to be a B!tch about allowing the owner to services him/her self; to me i think it's kinda stupid

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Its just like what they do with cars where they force you to take it to the dealership so they can fleece more money out of you. Having an option to be able to service the reel yourself is good since sometimes you get mishaps while fishing like accidentally dunking your reel in saltwater. If you get it serviced by the manufacturer you will wait for weeks or sometimes a month to get it back

[@leepao6302]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice true

[@DrJanLindberg]

The Airity and all other Daiwa reels are so easy to maintain yourself. I own 15. So easy with the side plate tool instead of fiddling with small screws!

[@DrJanLindberg]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice I always service my reels at home. Very easy with the side plate tool!

[@leepao6302]

@@DrJanLindberg it’s easy if you have the tool, but any other reel you can maintenance yourself without having a special stupid tool to do it

[@4filiro]

As per ajing , which one would you choose

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

I would go with the Vanquish in my opinion

[@anglerfishermanz]

Shimano Complex 2000 XR F4 good for Ajing.😊

[@PisangzChannel]

Reel weight from Lower size Shimano & Daiwa Produce Soare XR 2000 (155g) xr500 (135g) Vanquish 1000ssspg 23' ( 140g) Daiwa Airity 2000 sf 23' ( 145g ) Cardif XR ( 155g) Complex XR ( 155g ) Vanford (150) Daiwa exist 1000 23' (135g)

[@4filiro]

I own soare xr 500 , 2000 airity st sf 1000 2000 , i d say airity 1000 ia lightest and smoothest ...i own vanquish 23 not the 1000 size , i prefered airity st sf all the way...

[@i.o.3563]

Thanks for the video. One thing to keep in mind, Daiwa has full metal body, whereas Shimano's body is a hybrid of metal and carbon fibre. I believe Daiwa will be more solid and powerful reel out of the two. Servicing such reel by yourself is always a bad idea. Lots of aspects have to be taken into consideration. I suggest leaving it to the professionals.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

I agree with with everything you said. The advantage of the monocoque body is that rigity that you cant expect on the Vanquish since the other half of the body is CI4. But with that advantage it has its cons as well but of course theres no perfect reel. Tight lines 🤙

[@Boris29311]

Great review,very helpful I live in the Netherlands where there's no Daiwa- service center.I've owned a Daiwa 20 Luvias but after frequently used for a year and a half the gears broke down. I really like the smooth feeling from Daiwa but untill I figured out a way for the maintenance issue, no more Daiwa for me . Unfortunately I'm not someone who is able to do the maintenance self. Next week a Vanquish will be delivered which I ordered from Japan because I think Vanquish reels sold in Europe are made in Malysia. It would be very helpful to me if you could show me how to remove the rearcap from Daiwa and maintenance the gears from the reel this way. Thight lines !!

[@raychoi4994]

Why anyone not get it from Japan directy. You can have a new vanquish for 45000 yens if you know where to look. It is almost 40 percent cheap.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@raychoi4994 i think some want to be able to return it on their local shops if something is wrong with it. But I myself like to buy it straight from Japan

[@raychoi4994]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice You can always send it the professional to fix your reel. The gap is too large to justify for a 1 year warrenty

[@DrJanLindberg]

I find the Daiwa easiest to maintain, Once you get the side plate tool it is a breeze! No little screws to drop and very sturdy construction,

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Its the opposite for me when I serviced two of my Certates where I had to make sure the disc for where you put the magseal had to be centered perfectly so it wont rub on the pinion, then the screws and side plate had to be tightned with the proper torque. As for the type of grease did you encounter the same issue, where if you put an after market grease the buttery smoothness is no longer there?

[@DrJanLindberg]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice I talked about 22 Exist and 23 Airity. No side plate screws. I have serviced all kinds of reels for over 50 years.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@DrJanLindberg are you able to bring back the buttery smoothness after servicing the reels? Let me know what you use since I used the SLP works but it did not feel the same after

[@eugenezr]

​​@@bestthingsinceslicedrice try shimano NLTS2 grease for daiwa reels, with this grease gears smooth like new. This grease similar to slpw104 but a little stickines. But, if pinion gear are damaged and have any scratches, any grease not working.

[@frankoliveira189]

I sold my lunamis medium rod not a good casting rod got my self a 9/6 Ml dialuna better rod ! I thinking going exsence let’s see

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Did you find it too stiff for your liking and how well does the Dialuna perform compared to the Lunamis?

[@frankoliveira189]

Better hook up cast better, the rod I used it for lake trout 3/4 to 1 oz kastmaster definitely I can say cast better and is lower power rod but faster

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@frankoliveira189 yeah if your target is lake trout the Lunamis will be too much for it. Glad the Dialuna worked out better for you that clearly shows you dont have to buy expensive rods but to choose what suits your needs.🤙

[@frankoliveira189]

You was right ! I was fishing today the guy next to me was using a daiwa saltiest 9 foot ml he could cast 1/3 longer than me same 1 oz kastmaster the only difference he was using a x4 braided line and I was using x8!

[@fredifred4182]

Thé vinquish must be compared by exist not airty

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

But the Stella is the competitor against Exist

[@fredifred4182]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice for me stela vs saltiga

[@davidstey5151]

Think same. Can’t compare a 500$ reel with a 700$ reel. Not fair. To conpre something, it should be in the same price category IMO. 😅

[@88OziOzi88]

only shimano shimano is shimano

[@DrJanLindberg]

The 23 Airity is just so superior to Shimano equivalents

[@Rigfish]

nah

[@DrJanLindberg]

Yes! :-)@@Rigfish

[@Rigfish]

@@DrJanLindberg nah, long stroke spool, slow ocelation, ive used both reels. airity kils itself when you hook real fish

[@kongxiong6005]

@@Rigfish im no fan of either but the fact that you say that makes me really question your bias here. You do know Airity is just a rebranded old exist...which is like top of the line which had like Massive amounts of positive reviews. You telling me a $700 reel kills itself when landing a fish?

[@Rigfish]

@@kongxiong6005 that’s my opinion and my experiences, 18 exist or airity doesn’t last . majority of my reels are daiwa

[@DrJanLindberg]

I buy original Magseal oil from Japan

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Can you send me a link to where you are able to get it? Ive been checking the japanese websites like digitaka, jp angler and plat but did not find anything there

[@Денис-р5о3з]

​@@bestthingsinceslicedriceThe daiwa officially prohibits the sale of the original magsealed, as well as parts whose removal results in the replacement of the magsealed, such as the rotor. The original magsealed can only be bought from workshops or from a private individual.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@Денис-р5о3з yeap that is my biggest gripe with Daiwa. They dont want you to service your reel, forcing you to send it to their repair shops. You can buy the tool in ebay but good luck getting the original Daiwa magseal

[@marcusn2337]

Nice review video... pointing out orisons n cons of Shimano vs Daiwa. So what happens if you bought your reel from Japan like you note from Digitaka for example. How would that be serviced for a Daiwa reel etc. Since I believe the warranty is void in your country of origin vs buying online from Japan.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@marcusn2337 for my end I bought an after market Fero Fluid and the SLP Works grease along with the side plate tool socket that cost $80 dollars range in total Theres also Fishing Tackle Unlimited in my area that can service the reel for somewhere around $50 but any bearings that gets damaged, I have to pay extra for those. Whilst with Shimano I think I just need to register the reel and they would be able to service it.

[@MsDavide1969]

Daiwa ha un corpo sigillato, non ha bisogno di essere aperto.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

The new Daiwa Airity reel is not waterproof since accidentally dunked mine on a fishing accident and when I got home saltwater dripped out of the body.

[@MsDavide1969]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice probabile sia nato difettoso, se fai caso hanno eliminato la leva dell'antiritorno proprio per renderlo a tenuta stagna, e ha tutti i cuscinetti magseal.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@MsDavide1969 the new Daiwa Airity does not have a rubber seal that would prevent water from coming inside from the pinion like what's on the Daiwa Certate SW or The Shimano Twin Power SW. I wish it was waterproof but based on my experience it was not. Magseal can only handle water splashes but complete submersion not so much