Army Ranger OR Navy SEALs? Why Mike Widdick joined the Army!

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[@roguebotanist]

At first I wished my son would join the marines like me and be a raider but he chose the Army and is now an Army Ranger. So proud of him!

[@deathfire096]

Pat Tillman said the same thing until Rangers shot him 3 times in the head less than 10 yards away. Then burned his body armor and uniform in an apparent attempt to hide the fact that he was killed by their own. So much for the Ranger creed.

[@Rangers1888]

@mike boyer RIP to Tillman, but I don't see what this has to do with the original comment. Army rangers have a rich history to be proud of, and don't let a terrible situation tarnish that legacy.

[@IanMoone46n2]

@@deathfire096 not how that happened not sure where you got that from. They were scaling a mountain under fire, Tillman was much higher up and all the lower guys could see was a black silhouette of him. It was an accident in a mountain theater over a 100 meters up a mountain side while taking fire. Not like you know shot about it tho

[@deathfire096]

@@IanMoone46n2 thanks for your opinion but I will go with the Army criminal investigation.

[@COORSMAN0790]

@@deathfire096 You are correct, Pat was victim to friendly fire having been hit by fire from his six. Now that I’ve given you credit for being correct let me tell you why you don’t now $H!T … unless you’ve been in combat and unless you have worn the scroll on your right shoulder you are entirely unqualified to talk about the things (both good and bad) that happen in actual combat! I was 3/75 so I didn’t know Pat personally but for you to dishonor his sacrifice and then trash the Ranger Creed is absolute B.S. … either turn off COD and get yourself through RASP or STFU!!!!

[@chrisculley3756]

All of them have their pros and cons. I looked at the Green Berets I looked at the seals and then I looked at the mission statement for the 75th Ranger regiment. Also saw that a whole lot of guys from the 75th Ranger regiment moved onto Delta the cool thing about the ranger regiment that I liked was that their mission statement was pretty simple direct action pasta rescue airfield seizure and we started getting into some tier one stuff probably did more tier-1 missions than any other unit in the long run of that craziness probably started about 2008 and on we started just the whole mission statement and the training and everything we were doing started changing. But again with any Special Forces Unit that you work with and go to you're going to be working with all of them together. I worked with steel teams I work with Oda teams I work for the Marine Raiders in Helmand Province I worked with Delta teams you're all under us Socom so you end up doing a lot of joint operations stuff and a hell of a lot of qrf'n for each other. RLTW 3/75

[@tfred2129]

Went in the marine recruiter and was willing to sign right then! Then he spoke of this thing called a "open billet" and I was like yea fuck that! Joined the army as a 11x was able to pick up a opt40 in basic went through rasp1 and the rest is history. I'm so thankful the marine Corp was ++ up at the time!

[@acegarage4837]

The rest meaning? Never went to school ?

[@MG-wk2eh]

You could've got infantry (0300 MOS field) guaranteed in your contract in the Marine Corps. FYI. At SOI you could've volunteered for Recon too. Although you made the right decision. Rangers are in SOCOM and actually get to do shit.

[@playedout148]

Marines couldn't give me what I wanted.

[@GT3Marine]

I’m a Marine Judge Advocate (lawyer). We had enlisted legal assistants working with us. 99% of them wanted to be something else, like a machine gunner. You do your best to keep them motivated, but it’s tough.

[@bighands69]

I think there should be an option for service personnel to at experience a combat orientated role. There probably should be more elite forces as well that do not need to be at the level of "special forces". Services in the past used to offer shorter service term contracts so as to get young people to commit to service. 2 years looks better to may people that want to do their country proud compared to a 5 year service.

[@MG-wk2eh]

That's their own fault for either not doing their research properly (in the age of the internet, there's no excuse) or letting recruiters pressure them into going open contract/picking an MOS they didn't want. They should've said thanks but no thanks. You can get infantry (0300) guaranteed in your contract when you enlist in the Marine Corps, which guarantees an infantry MOS , but not a specific role in the in the infantry. Most end up as riflemen (0311s).

[@adminbusinessdevelopment6220]

I bet having them PT with the 03’s will make them appreciate the POG experience. Being an 03 is NOT like MCT.

[@Seth9809]

At least lawyers have a harder time getting PTSD and that's a skill you can use after you leave the military.

[@NoCoverCharge]

3rd batt here 87-91 …I trained with the seals taught them land nav.. they weren’t great at land nav but they were beast …physically just beast …most rangers are skinny 19 yr olds who can just go ..the seals I worked with were just beast who sucked at land nav …it was still RIP when I went through at the old ww2 barracks at Benning ..miss those days

[@limbchicken8495]

3rd Batt worked with seals on the Tortuga they drowned us for two weeks then they started our mission ....you never heard such crying where's your vehicles was the narrative

[@rascalmatt6713]

1st Batt Combat Medic here. Speak for yourself. I had a college wrestling and bodybuilding back ground. I ran a lot of long distance at certain points of my life before joining after 9/11 as well. 9/11 changed the game entirely. Lots of really smart, older twenty somethings going Ranger because it's the quickest way into combat. I was the very first 4 week RIP class. Before that, RIP was 3 weeks. Obviously now, it's RASP. My point being, went from RIP to Ranger Medic hold, to Pre Ranger School, to Ranger School, to SOCM or Special Operations Combat Medic course. I was a physical freak. 124 push ups on the PT test, 109 sit ups, 11:30 2 mile and 40 pull ups. The SOCM course is Rangers, Green Berets, Navy SEALS, Marine Force Recon and a few others not worth mentioning. We once raced around our compound. HUGE egos there since it was multiple units and branches of the military. I'd say it was about a mile to a mile and a quarter around the compound. I beat EVERYONE. Yeah... that's right, 1st place. It was great because the last portion was uphill and i just pulled away from everyone. 2nd noteworthy occurrence there was the 3 mile ruck runs we'd do in the trails in the woods next to the compound. They had a scale and you had to have at least 65lbs in your ruck. We're talking 50-60 people in the class. I came in top three every single time we did those 65lb, 3 mile ruck runs. One of the coolest/funniest parts about doing those is that we would sometimes have 82nd Airborne running in formations in the woods in their PT uni's. We were in our BDU's with boots and 65lb plus rucks and those of us who were fast would run right by them. I wonder what they must have thought.

[@friedchickenandwatermelon8307]

Iraq and Afghanistan also proved that they sucked at basic infantry skills, they had none and would lose every toe to toe firefight!

[@Johnson-31.franklin]

​@@rascalmatt6713sure man I believe you 🎉😂

[@henrygonzalez3842]

Should of told them to run to the destination

[@johngalletta9379]

I went when it was R.I.P . And I was a 31 uniform. After Fort Gorden graduation I was asked to try out because in AIT and basic my scores was top 3% in class. 75th all the way brothers. Best choice I ever made

[@kajemi2]

Was kinda how I did it. I wanted to be a Recon Marine. Because they had the best uniform. But only if I could be Recon. They (recruiters) jerked me around. "Oh yeah you'll be fine." Looked deeper and found out, at least back then you didn't really pick your MOS. They needed cooks that week? Guess what. So I joined on a Ranger contract. Didn't guarantee you'd be a Ranger. But it guarantees a legit shot at it. 6 years 11b Ranger baby. And I will put Rangers against ANY special forces in the world. We'll win.

[@AlejandroP1980s]

Delta force better than seals

[@kajemi2]

@@AlejandroP1980s depends on the mission.

[@AlejandroP1980s]

@@kajemi2 rangers save seals

[@AlejandroP1980s]

@@kajemi2 delta force recruited seals

[@cyb360]

@@AlejandroP1980s most delta forces operators are rangers

[@Rgrrgr175]

Same things happens in RIP. About 40% of the class got cut and were now worldwide posted for their MOS. Most went to Korea I hear.

[@Hew.Jarsol]

America's first special forces, the US Rangers were created, trained and advised by the British Army Commandos in 1942 Achnacarry Scotland. The 1st and 29th Rangers were born. Direct copies of the Commandos. These got disbanded, and later used their new Commando skills to create the 2nd and 5th US Rangers in 1943. "Ranger" was selected because of the British colonial Rogers Queens Rangers (Scottish border Rangers). 8 British advisors accompanied the US Rangers at Point Du Hoc aswell as 3 SWANS. US Green berets, Marine Raiders, US Seal OG also all trace their heritage back to the Commandos. 🇺🇸

[@LOCALNOMAD909]

Been fascinated with the Rangers since middle school badass dudes

[@Dirk-my2zf]

I disagree -The Ghost of Pat Tillman.

[@billquinn6224]

Worked with the United States Army Airborne Recon Rangers in Nam and yes we were and are good but the Rangers would sneak up on us and slip inside our circle and you didn't hear a damned thing. Those guys defined what really good was and is.

[@dallasyap3064]

It's the same in the Army. If u fail RASP then you're going conventional force but your job will be the same as your original MOS or u may get assigned a new MOS depending on the Army but most likely u will stick to your MOS as the Army doesn't waste the time and money that they spent training u. If your MOS was 11b and u failed RASP, you'd be an 11b in an infantry unit.

[@deathfire096]

ASVAB is everything. Everybody knows that you have a 85% chance of failing Seals so you have a MOS according to your ASVAB scores to fall back to. If you score low in the ASVAB you can still join the NAVY but you will be undesignated after Boot Camp. That means you have NO skills for a technical school (MOS) and you go to the FLEET to learn skills and see what you can learn. It's good for some or bad for others. It depends what you make out of it. Now Boot Camp is were you test if you want to tryout Seal. You pass and if you are undesignated you don't go to the Fleet after Boot Camp. You go to Seal training and if you make it then the Seals will train you in a specialized job in the Seals, could be sniper, diver, medic and others in what will be your specialty in the Seals. If you fail Seal selection and are undesignated, then you go to the fleet to learn a skill and go from there. I went in the Navy with a MOS guaranteed based on my ASVAB scores. I had a choice to take the Seal test in Boot Camp and if pass, I would go to A school after Boot Camp, then Seal training and if I fail I would go to the Fleet with the MOS I went to A school to. By the way, I didn't take the Seal test in Boot Camp. 85% chance of failing is not the odds I like in anything in life so I skip but I knew the pipeline and consequences if I did and failed.

[@bighands69]

I think his point was with the army you would still be infantry and not stuck behind a desk processing purchase orders or staring at a computer screen all day.

[@deathfire096]

@@bighands69 First, you don't join the Naval Special Forces to be infantry. They are tactical operators. That's like joining the Army to be a submariner or join the Air Force to drive tanks. If you want infantry you join the Army or if you like infantry and ships and ocean you join the Marines. Marines are part of the Department of the Navy. They are the amphibious infantry of the Navy. You don't like ships or ocean then go Army, stay away from the Marines and you never join the Navy to be a infantryman, they have NONE. Second, all branches have their administration fields and combat fields. Both are needed to run the branches from top to bottom and depending on your ASVAB scores you can work on either fields. Trust me, the military needs their administration side to run the military and take care of the needs of the military, members and family. Without that nothing runs not even the baddest unit in the military. So putting down those jobs is silly. Third, even if you fail SEALS (BUDS) you have a chance to stay in the Naval Special Forces community as a tactical operator as a Diver, EOD (Explosives), Rescue Swimmers (rescue Seals, pilots and just about anything in the water) Special Warfare Combatant-Craft Crewman and since all of them all Naval Special Forces you work with Seals to get the mission done. You can also join the Seabees. They work a lot with Marines and We all know the Marines do a lot of amphibious infantry of the Navy, you will be deploy a lot with them and also do Navy stuff. If you fail those training then special forces isn't for you, go serve in the regular military. If you fail Ranger training then special forces isn't for you and go join the regular Army. If you fail BUDS depending of the circumstances (medical or attitude) and depending in your ASVAB scores you are given choices of trying out for another special forces field in the Navy or go regular Navy either administration or tactical. Some people tryout BUDS and realize they don't want special forces community and go regular Navy. It depends on the individual. Other realize they are not good enough to be a Seal but like to stay in the special forces community in something less demanding but to say all people that fail BUDS goes to a desk is false.

[@bighands69]

@@deathfire096 Navy does not have infantry which would have been a problem which is what he was saying especially if he was to fail SEAL selection.

[@deathfire096]

@@bighands69 Seals are not infantry. That’s basic regular Army and Marines. There is no infantry in the Navy. Seals are tactical operators under Naval Special Forces. You don’t tryout with the Seals to do basic infantry operations. None of the Naval Special Forces have infantry part of their training for the exception of Seabees whom work closely with the Marines but Seabees are regular Navy not special forces. My point is this guy join the Navy without knowing what he was getting into or his options. There are other fields within the naval special forces if you fail BUDS that is less demanding and shorter pipeline like Rescue Swimmer, EOD, Diver, Special Warfare Combatant and all of them work with the Seals. If you can’t pass any of those trainings then special forces isn’t for you and join the regular Navy just like if you fail Army special forces then do regular Army job which is basic infantry. That’s the entry level of the Army and Marines . This guy was misinformed by the recruiter or he thought he would make Seal 100% when 85% fail but you don’t join to be a Seal to get Infantry training. Seals don’t do that or march.

[@starshockey11]

Yes. This is truly what separates BUDs from any other career fields/ pipelines in both a good and horrible way. Not only does everyone in their mother want to be a SEAL and career field is severely overmanned. The instructors are looking for any reason to drop you and never give you a shot to come back. Just passing and not quitting are a thing of the past. If you get hurt you usually have one cycle and then it’s bye bye to the fleet The Navy then uses the failures to fill their needs within less desired jobs like Undes Seaman- a glorified janitor on a ship. When you fail BUDs it isn’t just washing out of your desired career , it is literally the equivalent to a prison sentence. Probably worse actually when you consider how much you work compared to prison. Many BUDs failures do go on to other communities and excel there tho. I think the high pressure from the level of performance the community attracts along with the dynamic with the fleet creates a level of seriousness that can’t be duplicated elsewhere.

[@deathfire096]

LOL. Buds failing these people is NOT a death sentence. It saved their lives and the lives of others. You don't want to put people who don't belong there in that environment in real life because their egos got hurt or they have feelings. They are NOT good enough and it's better for them and everybody. Go do another job in the NAVY for the country and yourself. It's all about your ASVAB scores. If you don't want bad options then don't rock the ASVAB test and don't act like the world owns you something. I'm sure every branch has their low end jobs for the people with low ASVAB scores. Is not a death sentence, it's a gift. Any job in the military is a learning experience and you meet a lot people with knowledge that you will absorb from them. Any job. You get paid every 2 weeks, , you get full medical and dental benefits , 30 days a year paid vacation, free housing, free food, base benefits and your college paid for by uncle Sam and federal jobs priority when you get out just for 4 year service to the country and some people complain. Good luck in the civilian world if you can get a base entry job with those benefits. Be humble and take everyday in the military in something to learn and take with you when you go back to the civilian world. Not everybody can be a Seal, Ranger, Delta, Green Beret, PJ, Top Gun pilot or a nuclear submariner. So what? Find something that you can do and be good at it and grow especially if you are very young with just a H.S. diploma with little to NO skills. Take the opportunity in the military to learn. Everybody that failed BUDS didn't belong and it saved their lives. The lucky ones in my opinion. The unlucky ones are the Seals that died in battle or training since it's a long pipeline or get physically, mentally and emotionally a wreck that even their families pay for life.

[@starshockey11]

@@deathfire096 respectfully disagree.

[@deathfire096]

@@starshockey11 you served?

[@starshockey11]

@@deathfire096yes sir. Prior navy officer and switched over to AF. Saw a lot of this stuff first hand or indirectly through my peers

[@deathfire096]

@@starshockey11 I served regular Navy and dealt with people in the Naval Special Forces. I disagree. If you fail at BUDS is not a death sentence. It saved your life. Not the end of the world or has to define your military career.

[@mikeboyer4764]

In the Navy based on your Asvab scores you qualify for rates (MOS). During Boot Camp they ask you if you want to tryout for Seals. You go pass a test given by Seals in Boot Camp and if you pass then you go to A school and when you pass then send you to Buds. You fail, you go do your rate that you went in A school for the remainer of your contract. There is NO infrantry in the Navy, unless you can float on the water like Jesus. The infantry of the Navy are the Marines. That's why they have a big anchor in their symbol. Seals are not infrantry. Navy already has infantry with the Marines. Seals are a special operations force. Infantry has the mission of taking and more importantly hold an area. SEAL teams are to hit a target by surprise and hard and almost immediately leave the target area and other missions like rescue and reconnaissance. Anything in the water, shipping lanes , ports and ships that's what Seals do best. They are Navy.

[@bighands69]

SEAL's are commando that have the role of frogmen.

[@MT-8404]

Wish I had this guys mindset when I was 18. My dumbass went into the navy with a seal contract not thinking about failing. 7 years later I got out as a corpsman and hated my life. Only got one try at buds, never got a second chance to go back, and had little to no interest being a medic other than being attached to the marine corps. If I had a time machine I would go back and join the army or marines and save myself from a 7 year prison sentence.

[@EpsteinNooseSolutions781]

Exactly why I didn’t join the marines and I didn’t try to go SF. Ranger was the best choice for new guys tryin to go SOF. 18x would re class you to radar or something lame if you failed SFAS. Which was scary and dumb to me.

[@playedout148]

Broken ankles and stress fractures happen. Sometimes it's the body, not the mind that keeps guys from getting through.

[@ef6957]

Now this is a cool guy

[@equigflightgaracia8240]

Fixing to Go Saddleback Horsetime. Check some fencelines Cows Grabs some Cubes. Cabin time Gead back check some Back Fences and see what's up.

[@deathfire096]

is the Army paying this guy to be a walking billboard for the Army?

[@vypersoft1]

I went through RIP at Ft. Lewis on the old North Fort, right after Mt. St. Helens blew up.

[@rascalmatt6713]

I moved to WA in 1981 after Mt St. Helens blew up. I was in 1st grade. LOL I later became a Ranger, going through the 1st 4 week RIP class, which was of course at Benning. They added a week to train nigh vision since guys were going right into combat from RIP. I was a medic so i went into a medic hold, then Ranger School, then SOCM for spec ops medics at Bragg... then finally to 1st Batt.

[@michaelross1943]

The ignorance of some of the wanna-be's in the comments is pretty bad. Unless you are Combat Arms dude or SOF guy. Might want to comment less, listen more.

[@justinitsthatguyme010]

They’re not “weirdo jobs”. That’s an insult. Everyone has a part to play and everyone is part of the car that keeps the whole thing moving.

[@Mau-map3]

Exactly , thiis guy is an idiot 🙄

[@JW-bu8bn]

US Navy vet here, now SO and SWCC are rates or jobs.

[@razheer100]

Should've chosen a rating of 8404 Corpsman. If you failed BUD/s, which most guys I served with did, you'll still get attached to Marine Infantry to train and deploy as an infantry corpsman.

[@denno3124]

He didn't want do that...that was the point of the story. He wanted a trigger pulling job, not to be a doc.

[@deathfire096]

@@denno3124 SEABEES are trained in many trigger weapons and are attached to the Marines but if you want to be a grunt then the Army and Marines have more options for jobs. If you suck in the water, don't tryout for SEALS because all SEALS have to be Combat Divers, it's mandatory. Is not for Rangers since it's only a small group in the Army. Combat Diving is the hardest qualification in the Army but is not mandatory to be a Ranger, it is for SEALS.

[@ffryan]

@@deathfire096 The biggest difference between Ranger and SEAL training is SEAL training is front loaded. Dive training is a perfect example. Their dive course is 2nd phase of BUDS whereas a Ranger would need to wait a few years for a spot to open up in CDQC, which is basically the same course/training.

[@deathfire096]

@@ffryan No even in the same planet. BUDS is basic Combat Diving. You are not even a Seal after Buds. They need to pass SQT which is advanced Combat Diving to get your Trident and be Navy Combat Diver. It’s mandatory for all Seals. 1 out of 6 of Army SF are Army Combat Divers but is not mandatory to be a Ranger or SF. If you as a Ranger or SF fail Army Combat Diver school you get to stay Rangers or SF because it’s a few and far in between and is not a mandatory school for all. Army Combat Diver school is the hardest qualification in the Army but not on the same level as the Navy since it’s basically a need to get to land. They are not train to take over a ship above water, take over an oil rig in the middle of the ocean or lock from a submarine. They don’t even have a mini sub like the Seals. Is not the same.

[@tommym8292]

@@denno3124 A 8404 Corpsman isn't a "trigger pulling job"...I'm pretty sure it is...

[@Coffee1776]

Joining the Navy is what I regret the most. I wish I would've been an Army Ranger!😔

[@deathfire096]

Military is military. If you can't handle 1 branch, you wouldn't handle another. The military is not for everybody.

[@Rob_R_Jonny]

Both are copies of the British Commandos (green berets) which is why they are so good.

[@playedout148]

Is that why they're good? Is that why?

[@equigflightgaracia8240]

Usually a good Stiff Folgers in Your cup. Black. Sugar. A good Kenny Logins tune. Shout out. Is a bout what's needed to Finally get up Put that saddle on. And head on out.

[@gavinc1539]

I’m so fucking stuck between the 2 different infantry bc on one hand I want to be a marine more than anything, but I also want to go to all of the fun, cool schools that the army has so idk what to do

[@henrygonzalez3842]

Hope you chose Army. Marines have alot of hype but you got to be honest with the facts. It’s a much smaller force, harder to get spots etc… Besides, there will never be a contested beach landing ever again but I guarantee paratroopers will go into contested areas again

[@matthewberg5835]

people get it so confused. you dont need to go to ranger school to be a ranger. many rangers have said that. the rangers its self is a unit. now you can go to ranger school but just cause you have the tab doesnt mean your a ranger.

[@kirstinetermansen]

You look as smooth

[@ham7357]

That’s not how that works but, whatever makes you feel better

[@Oldag75]

SEALs are sprinters, Rangers are marathoners. Both are the Best.

[@deathfire096]

wtf? you based that on what? you went with both on missions?

[@mrhrobinson]

If you ring out of BUDS you are done and end up in the Blue water side of the navy, if you are dropped due to injury, you can try again.

[@noahmount5389]

The people that look at passing BUD/S as a roll of the dice usually won't make it through BUD/S

[@Mau-map3]

Exactly 👍🏻

[@kn4ixc]

I know a tac at Norwich who did this

[@--4606]

smart choice for a young man!

[@tnett9984]

Where my keyboard commandos at?

[@socalautisticman1975]

I thought kinda like the Navy SEALs are like an Army Rangers thing but that are swim attack specialists (figuratively speaking)....both names sound scary *in the good way* making terrorists etc tremble (or at least I would if I was an enemy of those) and both military branches division *are super cool* Whatever you do as any military service member ; your case the Army Rangers 🎖🇺🇲🎖Thank you for your service 🎖🇺🇲🎖💪 *Army Rangers lead the way*

[@ModernTacticalShooting]

Obviously he joined the army to fill the gaping hole I left when I retired 😅

[@treesandfishing6532]

That's basically my official plan. Airborne straight outta basic

[@waynehearst317]

the part he's not saying out loud is you don't just "fail" BUDs. You don't make it because of 3 general reasons. Quit, dropped based on personality stuff, or fail jr. college level academics. Rarely do people fail BUDs because of injury, they'll roll you into another class. It seems like what he's saying here is he wasn't sure he could hack it and he didn't want a loser job in the NAVY if he quit, and I say yes, this is EXACTLY why BUDs is structured the way it is. ONLY the guys willing to die or won't quit for any reason for the teams make it, this guy clearly wasn't that. He chose Army, correctly.

[@nightowlkid]

What they also don’t tell you is they won’t let you try seal program untill you finish your first contract2-4 years

[@user-ec8ns2lb1k]

That’s not true if you get the seal challenger contract

[@mastailler1649]

It’s not the easy to join the army now a days sadly

[@boobtuber06]

GREEN BERET

[@toddwidick6192]

Hi Mr. Brisby, Great interview, I've done some research on this gentlemen turns out he spells his name "Widick"

[@Drtydeeds]

Why did you put the ranger tab and not the scroll in the thumbnail? Yikes.

[@limbchicken8495]

Rangers Lead The Way !

[@Klausi666]

Should have pick submariner, its same as seal except as a seal you will be the torpedo.

[@AlejandroMartinez-salazar]

But dnt you think it's good to prosbone an ranger for when marines hit them up

[@billgonzales8978]

easy army or navy?

[@sw8053]

You will be happy to know that seals are not like that anymore. You’re no longer a blank and then a seal… it has its on rate in the navy. They are SO’s so your job is a seal now

[@pumitriii6160]

How does it work now?

[@Scott-gt6od]

Airborne...

[@davewebster5120]

RLTW!

[@Aurelisk]

Rangers wish they were Marines. This Ranger knew better than to try for a SEAL mos.

[@packman579]

PJ's

[@deathfire096]

different mission.

[@livewithaffection6905]

I am not expert, but why not have a singular military like Canada so you can go anywhere in the Forces and not just be stuck in Army or Navy?

[@deathfire096]

because Canada is not a real military and each American branch is their own community, heritage and history.

[@livewithaffection6905]

@@deathfire096 I am just thinking it is better for the Forces and the individual if they go wherever their strength is. I think the ‘save the clock tower’ mentality only goes so far. Each branch could still have their own pride, but with more dedicated and happier recruits.

[@JR-ju3kj]

@@deathfire096Canada is not a real military? Well, that's a great way to insult and dismiss an entire country's armed forces as being a joke( which I know you didn't say in those exact words but that's what you're basically saying when you say that the Canadian military is not a real military). Canada has one of the best top-tier Special Forces military units in the world( Joint Task Force 2/ JTf2) and even the the Navy SEALs and Special Forces and Special Operations military units of other countries respect them. You're certainly entitled to your own opinions but what you're not entitled to are your own facts. Canada DOES have a real military but I would definitely agree with you how each American branch of the service has their own community, heritage and history. There's really no need to go denigrating the militaries of other nations( and Canada is a NATO ally and ally of the United States). People make fun of the Canadian military so much that now it's to the point where it's no longer even funny anymore.

[@deathfire096]

@@JR-ju3kj Jesus! When I say Canada is not a real military like the U.S. because of it's size, depth, spending or deployments around the world. My answer was to your suggestion that the U.S military should be like Canada in structure. Add the U.S. military branches have a long history of wars and heritage to just get rid of and have 1 branch, 1 uniform and 1 community. The U.S. shouldn't be trying to copy Canada. Keep the branches separate because it's big and a long heritage each branch that differ from each other. Add that Canada only goes to war with NATO and they basically assist the U.S. and before that they assisted the British Crown against the U.S. and before that they assisted the Empire of France. Canada has never fought a war by themselves for over 400 years and without the U.S./NATO, Canada has too small of military to take on Russia or China or run NATO. Basically, Canada's defense relies on the U.S. U.S. budget is 32x more than Canada. Canada doesn't have any Nuke. Canada is screwed without the protection from the U.S. This is military and reality of war and not feelings.

[@bighands69]

@@livewithaffection6905 There is a reason why the US military is the most powerful on earth. There is a reason why the US is the best country in the world to live in and a reason why the US economy is number one and will stay that way for the next 200 years.

[@2chainz391]

Ranger tab has nothing to do with being a ranger

[@tex-do1wm]

Rangers are the equivalent of a regular Marine infantry unit.

[@Neutronism7]

Complete bullshit

[@elevenb6967]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Best laugh I've had in WEEKS!! LOL!!

[@vincecapri1]

Those are not weirdo jobs, they are very important to naval operations same as all support services for all branches of Military! You dont have the support you dont have special operations so give a bit of prop to all the enlisted! Not everyone can be elite! Would not function as a military.

[@deathfire096]

This is when you go to a recruiter in a branch and don't know anything about that branch. It's like going to the Air-Force recruiter and asking to be a submariner if you don't make PJ's. LOL There is NO infantry in the Navy like there is NO fleet in the Army. By the way, the Navy doesn't use the word MOS, they use Rating and based on your ASVAB scores you can pick your job in case you don't make Seals or if you make it and have to be dropped for medical reason later you can do a job in the Navy and serve your country. If you don't make Seals it's obvious special forces isn't for you. Go do something else that you are good at. There is no mini-Seals or almost a Seal or good enough Seal dropouts units in the Navy. If you don't like the water, stay away from the Navy.

[@christianmichaels6834]

This is almost true. Once you sign a contract to go to any NSW school, your previous contract, and previous job is history. That's where the Navy gets you to be their slave in case you fail out of BUD/s, Dive Prep, CQT, or Rescue Swimmer school, etc. You're lucky to not chip paint off a ship after that.

[@con2829]

So he cannot hack it due to the attrition rate of seal training...well looks like quantity over quality i guess.

[@bighands69]

That makes no sense.

[@con2829]

@@bighands69 so he didn't want to be a SEAL due to the HIGH failure rate...let that sink in

[@ChickentNug]

@@con2829 he didn't want to because of the shitty job he'd be stuck with if he didn't pass selection. The attrition rate has nothing to do with that

[@con2829]

@@ChickentNug I got a kid who wanted to be a SEAL, he failed the first run and got sent to the Seabees, a job that he didn't want but he got eyes on his target he trained and trained for 2 years then of he goes to buds again for the second time..and he got it. this guy took the easy route which is the army plain and simple.

[@ProjecthuntanFish]

Do you know who the most powerful warrior on the battle field really is? Its not Captain Secret squirrel here but rather its a tanker! Yep that's right 65 tons of armor going 45mph while running and gunning with its 120 mm main gun spitting death! To a tanker everyone else is just called a crunchie!

[@toxicgracie3772]

In a conventional sense, yeah. But SOF aren't conventional. A tank can't do an HVT raid without taking out an entire building. A tank can't take enemies hostage. A tank cant go anywhere stealthily. Those are just a few things SOF can do that a tank can't. But in conventional war, or even just larger battles, yes, tanks are priceless

[@ProjecthuntanFish]

@@toxicgracie3772 SOF has NEVER won a major battle! Not impressed and never will be.

[@toxicgracie3772]

@@ProjecthuntanFish Well that's because SOF aren't made to win major battles (by themselves). There's simply not enough of them and that's not their objective. That's for conventional forces. Every piece plays it's part, yeah? I will say I'd feel safer as a civilian under attack if an M1 Abrams showed up than a team of Rangers or SEALs lol

[@toxicgracie3772]

@@ProjecthuntanFish Also, in certain areas, tanks can't be deployed because of terrain. Look at Operation Anaconda and how the Green Berets and Delta Force led that with a massive coalition of trained Afghans. That's something only SOF could do. different tools for different jobs. Tanks are absolute sledghammers whereas SOF are scalpels. I'm just glad that we have the best of the best on both spectrums 😎

[@ProjecthuntanFish]

@@toxicgracie3772 brush wars don't mean squat! Real battles are won with regular grunts, artillery and TANKS!

[@dennyo3992]

I confess I don’t understand the “be the best soldier in the Navy” thing. Frogmen/UDT made sense in the Navy, basically swimmers/divers. When they became land warriors they should have been put in the Corps.

[@deathfire096]

Seals are not infantry. They don't march. They are tactical technicians that work in small groups not platoons.

[@daniellim8964]

Sea, air and land for short, and unconventional warfare

[@mrsta8541]

Affirmative. Way back in the day when they were transitioning from UDT to SEALs, basically taking frogmen & giving them extra training, the land portion of their mission set & TTP were taken straight from the Reconnaissance community of USMC. It's even in the old Navy SEAL manual (talking like 1960s copyright). When the Marines were told it would take a year & a half to 2 years to turn a sailor into this new thing called a "SEAL," they laughed & said they could take a base Fleet infantry Marine, polishing patrolling & demolition skills along the way, sending him to jump school into the bargain, & give DOD what it wanted in 3 months! This was a long time ago, like very early 60s. Alas, President Kennedy's directive was that each branch put forward troops capable of conducting unconventional warfare, UDT was the ONLY community in the Navy remotely close to being suitable for that, & so the SEALs got stood up as UDT with what was part of USMCs mission in hand (what Recon had been doing since WWII). There were UDTs in service alongside SEALs till the early 1980s, 83 I believe. Then they were stood down. SEALs only from that point on. So the Corps did indeed have small, clandestine commando units, patrol teams, in Recon (Force Reconnaissance Companies & Division Reconnaissance Battalions). They still did the work, for the Marines, while the Navy got a new hybrid UDT/Recon unit they called SQUEALs. I mean SEALs lol. The Corps simply lacked the political juice to stop what was a President's desire, & here we are.

[@HesJustaPoorBoyNobodylovesHim]

that’s what turned me away from seal training. Plus that pipeline in 3 years long. you get injured done. i didn’t trust the process of the navy. As much as i thought i could succeed at buds. I didn’t it see a finish line. Army yes you go here, here, here.

[@deathfire096]

Of course it's a harder training but if you get injured you get rolled back unless you are a screw up.

[@acegarage4837]

Ok…. The guy in this video…. “SFC Widdick” was KICKED OUT of Ranger Regiment for physically - permanently injuring one of his own guys then lieing about it. This guy had a long history lying about everything. He should have been RFSd years ago.

[@pyrus2814]

Where are you getting that information from?

[@acegarage4837]

@@pyrus2814 First hand experience working with the guy.

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

I knew he was an absolutely clown just for wearing that shirt. And you confirmed it.

[@mikeguapo1999]

Yup he was in my company

[@skinnytothefeet3531]

Rangers are only outclassed by delta

[@deathfire096]

and SF. Rangers are #3 in the Army

[@newone-gd9sk]

All the rangers that went to Ukraine quit after a month hahaha

[@henrygonzalez3842]

Ain’t no SEALs ever been rescuing no RANGERS Just saying 🤣☠️

[@melindacash1268]

Then dont fail....USN!!!!

[@deathfire096]

LOL. easier said than done.

[@MachoRaton]

Guess it’s a lot easier becoming a ranger than a seal 😂

[@rascalmatt6713]

It is. There's no water portion. That being said, Rangers historically were some of the most in shape special operations guys in any branch because the pt was very tough and the standards were very high. Now they have some kind of Ranger workout regiment they're supposed to follow. At least they did when i got out in 2007. Not sure how that's gone. I went to SOCM or Special Operations Combat Medic course at Ft. Bragg. That's Marine Force Recon, SEALS, Rangers and Green Berets. We had a race around the compound, which was 1-1.25 miles roughly. I beat everyone. I was a Ranger. We also had a 3 mile ruck run with 65lb rucks that we did in the woods next to our compound. Out of about 50-60 dudes in the class... i came in top three every single time. So say what you want about Rangers.... if you haven't been in, you really don't know jack shit.

[@deathfire096]

All SEALS are Combat Divers. It's mandatory to be a SEAL. Is not mandatory to be a Ranger since it's only small group in the special forces in the Army that are allowed to go to that training. Combat Diver is the hardest qualification in the U.S. Army, that's why a small group are allowed but not mandatory to be a Ranger.

[@ricky-leethompson6786]

When it comes to hostage rescue seals When it comes to rescuing seals rangers all the way

[@nat_826]

That’s why SEALs are the best. You’re a quitter before you’ve even tried 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@deathfire096]

The Army has kinda the same thing. If you fail Ranger school, you have to do something else in the Army.

[@ahla-3337]

You pick the job you want and you either do it in regiment or in big Army

[@deathfire096]

@@ahla-3337 I assume you need to qualify based on your Asvab scores. I did in the Navy. I went in as Aviation Anti-submarine Warfare Operator and while in Boot Camp they offered me to tryout for the Seals. I didn’t take it but if I did and didn’t make it I have to do the rest of the contract as a sub hunter. The ones that enter the Navy without a rate (mos) and fail Seal training they go to the Fleet to whatever job they want.

[@kkreme4870]

Bro 1st of all the 75th selects through RASP NOT RANGER SCHOOL….furthermore if you fail rasp you will still will be whatever mos you picked going in (11bangbang/combat engineer/medic whatever tf you picked)

[@deathfire096]

@@kkreme4870 the Army wants their money’s worth. So you will serve the rest of the contract if you quit their trainings just like the Navy.

[@kkreme4870]

@@deathfire096 yes but it’s not like they pick your mos or needs of the army you have the same mos just not in the 75th…same thing goes for failing SFAS you’re not needs of the army you go back to doing infantry or whatever mos

[@NomadSupreme911]

Rangers leave the battalion all the time to become Green Berets. Ain't no Green Beret ever left the Green Berets to become a Ranger. Rangers want to be considered big boys like Green Berets and Seals so bad🤣

[@murphyshsu]

Are you in the military? All the special operations are composed of outstanding individuals doing very difficult jobs.

[@BrianT175]

Funny, definitely had guys with long tabs in Batt. That's despite how hard it is to move from SF to Batt.

[@NomadSupreme911]

@@BrianT175 lol, yeah right

[@BrianT175]

@@NomadSupreme911 I mean I am right. They literally existed. Now move along to play some airsoft and debate how much cooler some unit is than the other.

[@NomadSupreme911]

@@BrianT175 LoL...rangers are a glorified conventional infantry unit who are treated like kids...green Berets are big boys...no Green Beret has ever left the Green Berets to serve in the ranger regiment, ever...that would be like going back to high school after obtaining a masters degree

[@hecmic9955]

Buds ain’t for everyone

[@hecmic9955]

@@Ash12428 Rangers is not the better choice not even close……

[@hecmic9955]

@@Ash12428 I’ve worked with both….. so the only fan boy is you

[@hecmic9955]

@@Ash12428 Small boats unit in Coronado, but what would you know probably some loser who always says he would have joined, but never had the balls to.

[@philliprousu652]

@@Ash12428 yo chill with that info

[@deathfire096]

@@Ash12428 Rangers are so better that they picked the Seals to kill Osama Bin Laden on freaking land, a maritime combat force above all. I guess the Navy have never been in a war that they don't trust their medics, LMAO!! How old are you? Rangers are not even the best in the Army, Delta is and Devgru is the same in the Navy so chill out. What makes the Seals above is the freaking ocean and maritime combat warfare. The world is 75% water and 25% land. You are not going to see a lot of Rangers taking on ships or coming out of nuclear submarines or rescue hostages at sea. Hell, you won't see Rangers below 20 feet below water, 2 different missions. Wow, Rangers killed 6 cave peasants that still live in the stone ages. Impressive! LOL

[@dinosorbutt]

Lmao guy joined the JV team instead

[@whysoserious6030]

Red Wings or Panama ring a bell?

[@mrsta8541]

@@whysoserious6030Probably not; comments like this, you can see he doesn't know a thing about anything.

[@GolfisLife44]

So what you’re really saying, is you weren’t man enough for the seals…

[@hoffy1955]

"The pioneers of a warless world are the young men and women who refuse military service. He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." -Albert Einstein

[@MM-qt8gz]

Dude Ranger Tab aren't fucking Army Rangers

[@akaEch0]

He did say RASP

[@MM-qt8gz]

@@akaEch0 talking about the video screenshot showing the tab

[@akaEch0]

@@MM-qt8gz Ah okay

[@user-ib5oi8wo8r]

Went in the marine recruiter and was willing to sign right then! Then he spoke of this thing called a "open billet" and I was like yea fuck that! Joined the army as a 11x was able to pick up a opt40 in basic went through rasp1 and the rest is history. I'm so thankful the marine Corp was ++ up at the time!

[@user-ib5oi8wo8r]

is the Army paying this guy to be a walking billboard for the Army?

[@deathfire096]

that's the deal. Once you sign, they own you.

[@user-ib5oi8wo8r]

You will be happy to know that seals are not like that anymore. You’re no longer a blank and then a seal… it has its on rate in the navy. They are SO’s so your job is a seal now

[@user-ib5oi8wo8r]

So he cannot hack it due to the attrition rate of seal training...well looks like quantity over quality i guess.