Damascones and Ionones in perfumery (Rose series)

[@yunisazizli7737]

Sir, now I dont have that much time to learn anything about perfumery. But i`m trying to come and like every video you are sharing. You are such a gem for community! Respect to you!!

[@sammacer]

Thank you, I’m honoured

[@austinfuller1534]

Really great series Sam, I’ve been watching it along the way. I’m actually currently working on a limited series of rose- even going as far as to make some of my own materials from my perfume roses, hopefully coming out this year. Great series, and thanks for your work!

[@sammacer]

Fantastic - let me know when you release it, I would be excited to watch it!

[@daniellabuda7744]

Thank you for the rose series, Sam. A tried to blend Bacdanol (sandalwood) with a rose base Dorinia SA E and I think, this is a quite nice smell. You receive smooth and creamy texture. I would maybe stick to this concept and try to evaluate this in some way in future. Formula: Vanillin 1% 0.100 Bacdanol 0.100 Ambroxan 0.050 Patchouli EO 0.050 Ethylene Brassylete 0.100 Dorinia SA E 0.100

[@sammacer]

I don’t have Dorina but it sounds very nice, thank you for sharing 🙏❤️

[@tomask9588]

Just guessing from what you said that older damascones tend to smell similar to the original form after they sit for a while on a scent strip: 1. the damascone molecules fall apart to form smaller molecules. This gives you a mixture of various chemicals that, naturally, has different smell than the damascone itself. 2. on a scent strip the smaller molecules evaporate faster, because of lower molecular weight 3. once the smaller ones are gone, you're left with the "intact" damascone molecules, so here you have the original smell once again.

[@sammacer]

Not quite, since molecules don’t usually just fall apart like that. But you’re thinking along the right lines: some kind or reaction happens, possibly oxidation

[@vanillinchillin743]

Thanks for the material review, and for the rose series!

[@sammacer]

Thank you!

[@rickscars7395]

Loving the series Sam! Thank you

[@sammacer]

Thanks 😊

[@hichouification]

amazing video. I tried to buy the book but it is expensive. is there any pdf version out there? you nailed the iso e super and alpha ionone, they are similar and form an accord that is used heavly in la nuit de l homme. Ionones are so powerful man! small amount will take the whole fragrance away. Creed uses damascones in his aventus, small amounts to give the effect of apple. Thanks for the video

[@sammacer]

To be honest, I’m not sure about a pdf version! But thank you 😊

[@rudirosti5501]

i really appreciate your information. I can make some progress in my smelling experiences-😅

[@sammacer]

Thanks!

[@fr0grance]

I've bought some beta Ionone from a trusted supplier and within 6 weeks I can already feel a strong sour smell 😐 however, when in composition with other materials that sourness doesn't show itself at all. I'm confused

[@33k33k]

Say you would use Beta-damascone in your perfume, would its effect also go off in three to six months?

[@rickscars7395]

Yes a very good question, as I was thinking the same thing. So I’ve had my ionones and damascones for a couple of years too and they have remained pretty much the same in odor, however given a chance a fragrance is built using these products does that mean your customer down the line will have a perfume smelling not how you intended? Three months is such a short period of time

[@sammacer]

I’m not sure. It seems possible, but maybe the effects are less with lower concentrations and antioxidants which are often added to fragrances…

[@devbhatt1049]

how to they produce this industrially? what is the process

[@shihanpk2934]

Why do you do dilution for materials? Like you said damscone is at 1% Will designer perfumers also do this when they are making perfumes for selling?

[@sammacer]

Well all designer perfume is diluted; that’s why you have EdT and EdP. Diluting the raw materials first is an alternative to diluting after mixing and help control dosage for small trials.

[@johnwatts3888]

You like the smell of grave yard seems odd

[@sammacer]

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