DAN WORRALL RETURNS - With Home Studio Advice!! | Working Audio Tools Podcast S7 E1

[@WorkingAudioTools]

DAN WORRAL INTERVIEW PART 1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/laaugqWijLlolZosi=JKzBhZUPA65ntgds

[@kadiummusic]

Translate to English....? From Scottish? 😃

[@DanWorrall]

Thanks guys, nice chat :)

[@TildeSounds]

i had no clue you do members only stuff and released the course, you gotta advertise more mate

[@Suicide_Squad_SA]

​@@TildeSounds he mentioned it on his latest videos

[@yanndvn1883]

Great talk. I would love to here more on your experience on microphones and preamps

[@jimimaze]

Another chunk of great information. Thanks gents.

[@anthonyb8994]

Apple and Beats headphones have software that uses lower frequencies around 30hz to add upper harmonics so that you can hear bass on tiny speakers. That is probably why they were able to hear those frequencies.

[@1loveMusic2003]

I set the levels of monitors and sub and left it there. I then listened to my favorite mixes and songs over and over every day and before mixing. It's very important to know what your fav mixes sound like in your environment.

[@legacyShredder1]

I'm not a complicated man. I see Dan I click.

[@kirkegodfrey414]

Same

[@Rocknrolldaddy81-xy8ur]

I search his name daily to see if there is a new video.

[@tedonyszczak3029]

The view count for their first episode with him is orders of magnitude more than their average. We’re not the only ones following mr (master) Worrall around.

[@C_F_M]

I'm learning a lot about mix bus processing from Dan lately

[@michaelguardenti2253]

"Fight against null 1st when you treat a room " this is priceless. Thanks Dan

[@ZonkerRoberts]

I love the idea that the theoretical maximum LUFS results in a signal that is inaudible. We've finally achieved subliminal music!

[@carldubcats3385]

"You can't apply infinite boost and even if you could it wouldn't be wise. " Great advice. It is interesting to think about what your brain does in terms of eq. Stop your room being lumpy, trust your brain and you are good to go.

[@cefahprod]

Always a pleasure to Listen to mister Worrall. Specially when he talk about technical, physical audio fact with the real world human perception and human brain. Amazing episode

[@therealjamesmarchant]

Having worked on 'phone and consumer audio, I would point out that here is a load of harmonic synthesis such as Max bass going on behind the scenes, so you can never be totally sure that you are hearing the extremities of the audio spectrum or harmonics generated from those extreme frequencies.

[@infojunkie4989]

Glad to hear a good word about GIK treatment Just bought a boat load of them to test out various combinations. Good to hear Dan back on the show, always words of wisdom.

[@theappearedone]

AMAZING, ive listened to the previous episode with dan worral way to many times

[@andreifilip]

I guessed right.... Glad to hear Dan again :)

[@jeremyjames8678]

I've used the same set of headphones for 20 years, they've had 4 new head bands, 2 new pair of drivers, 8 new ear cups and 5 new cables

[@TechnoAssassin-vx6zf]

Sounds like Triggers brush 🤣🤣

[@CreativeSauce]

Nice one! Great chat :)

[@sonicart1808]

Another great podcast thanks gentlemen....I always learn something new.

[@JoeyFTL]

Dan's the man!

[@professorscrim5303]

Top job lads, 👍🏻

[@alexanderewing3779]

I agree totally with Dan re the 335. Probably due, mainly, to my love of Bill Nelson in my fanboy mode!

[@restlessnoisestudio]

You guys bailed on me last week not happy 😂 Stoked we’re back

[@nyanko2077]

Gonna join your course late this year, Dan, probably around November. Been busy lately but I'll definitely join like I said in the video you made to check on your subscribers motivation for such a thing.

[@kadiummusic]

Dan is right, plaster the room with top notch bass treatment, slap Arc 4 on it just to add that final tweak, then leave and forget. 😎

[@TechnoAssassin-vx6zf]

How best would I approach eq’ing my lcd-x’s to more closely match my main monitors as I work away a lot so need a more coherent sound which Dan touched on about headphone use ?

[@WorkingAudioTools]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6qbeZmood6mlaM

[@Harrysound]

Ong he’s got Liam howletts sub! 😮

[@DerekPower]

Hi and welcome back 😉

[@alexanderewing3779]

A question guys. I have one mixcube, can this be used effectively? Enjoying the stuff!

[@WorkingAudioTools]

As long as you don't do all of your monitoring on it. Have a reason as to why you are using it and use it as a very specific reference to check certain elements in a mix

[@UncleBenjs]

Morning dudes. Half way through so far. Another great episode. Just got to Dan mentioning mixcubes, I've had an active mixcube for sale for ages (keeping the other) but been super lazy about listing it. I think that was my sign to lol

[@reverendcarter]

dan is awesome.

[@kaislate]

Does anyone know if Dan Worrall has recorded any audiobooks? Because i would definitely be interested in listening to it.

[@johnthorpedidge]

Nice interview with Dan. I think Dan may be right re Atmos as we humans only have stereo ears and a properly set up stereo can sound amazing with such depth, width, height and lower frequencies hugging us all around! Unless of course we grow more ears with new babies coming in with say 5.1 or 7.1 set of ears etc to make the most of surround sound. Though I like it when watching films/ cinema. When it comes to LUFS (apart from marketing reasons) I find it odd when an engineer says it sounds better when mastered louder. It's so obvious that all you have to do is turn the volume up up is that there seems to exist a kind of fundamentalism with some in the engineering community. And in fact all that happens is that people get used to or familiarised with that highly densified and undynamic sound (not saying some density can't sound good) that then to them dynamic may not sound as good. As Dan pointed out in your interview, our ears internally (bit of a brain thing I guess) adjust to the EQ/,sound, so our ears become normalised. Perhaps that's a new possible setting: brain and ear normalisation!😲🤗.

[@WorkingAudioTools]

Our ears listen to everything in 3D. That's how we perceive the world around us. We listen to sounds coming from all around us every day. In reality stereo is actually more unnatural to real life

[@johnthorpedidge]

​@@WorkingAudioTools yes of course and my hifi and my studio are set up with stereo that reflects that 3D sound. Depth, width and height with stereo. So our ears do naturally pick up sound all around which is why a stereo properly set up can sound amazing and realistic and natural. So it's only if the stereo is not set up properly that you don't then reflect that naturals sound. I spent years experimenting with sound systems before I became a sound engineer. If a stereo sound system was flat, 2D, height and width, that wouldn't be very enjoyable. But a good stereo is 3D with depth, which is obviously taken into consideration in mixing. My sound system produces around about 180 degree half circular from front to back but with a wider natural width and height. And obviously 360 degrees with the bass or low end. The other reason I like a two speaker or banks of speakers as stereo/mono, is I enjoy live sound too, and although that may be mono live , its just great to replicate at home that live sound stage where, in a stereo recording, you can hear each band member (and therefore picture them) in a certain position in with a sense of realism. Although the live show may not be in stereo, a really good PA set up and the live band and venue is also such an amazing thing to hear! Also all gigs I've been to are not done in Atmos. Maybe its been done and worked well, I don't know. But my preference is the one stage or the theatre stage and that's how my systems sounds. So stereo does give you a kind of surround sound when set up properly. I was also re thinking what Dan Worral said regarding that most consumers don't know how to set up their stereo properly and less chance of setting up surround properly: I think there are quite a few music lovers that own a good stereo hifi that can set up their speakers to get that imaging and 3D sound stage. However, a lot of people I visited who owned a stereo have no idea how to get that. Yet it seems that surround is actually more obtainable as even my girlfriend, who has no idea about surround, has her surround system sound far better than she could ever get her stereo to sound spacious and 3D. So, I now I may disagree with Dan on that point and and perhaps change my mind that Atmos could take off for consumers as it will probably be far easier to get a spacious sound than they will ever learn to get with time consuming set up of a stereo for spacious sound!

[@johnthorpedidge]

​@@WorkingAudioToolsforgot to say, the mention of babies with more ears was just a joke. I have a daft sense of humour🤗

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Main issue is the vast majority of consumers Dolby intends to target with Atmos don't even have the setup intented to reproduce it and are only listening to stereo sound in the end, which means people mixing for Atmos are just wasting money buying specialized equipment to produce it for an audience that's not even there. Dolby Atmos is the NFT of the professional audio world at this point.

[@WorkingAudioTools]

Not really because the stereo fold down is different from a standard stereo mix. Many people prefer a stereo fold down. What everybody misses is the main point of atmos which is creating an adaptable format that is future proof. As the technology advances, the ADM file can follow it. Apple has air pods, many have sound bar setups in their house, more cars are becoming dolby enabled, most are listening on headphones so they can experience binaural versions, even macbook pro sounds different with dolby enabled. Everybody views atmos as tons of speakers when in reality it's a format. A format that can output any playback system put in front of it. To achieve the best translation you mix on the 3 main formats (7.1.4, binaural & stereo fold down) You get those 3 right then the artist has 1 file that can upscale or fold down to any output system. That's what everybody is missing. Atmos makes more sense than stereo in this technological world. You don't need multiple different mixes like before when 5.1 came out. You just need to get 1 file mixed right and the music will adapt to the technology regardless of how many speaker's it uses

[@Rhuggins]

Oh hell yes

[@monkmusic5994]

Dan, it would be nice to see your face.

[@TigroGumi]

I personally thinks it's better to see you guys listening than a voice animation... just my opinion I definitely think a speaker needs to play music how you like to hear it... at least your main used one. It's why in the budget field of monitors I much prefer the Tannoy Gold monitors. I would find I would try to make music sound like these made music sound in speakers that did not sound this way and so mixes on a low budget system never translated well until these. Trying to add a tone that didn't need to be added. I had the LP6's just before these. And now hoping to build a studio, which might be in a converted caravan (ceiling null nightmares incoming lol) and have to bare this in mind or simply keep my Gold's as a another reference. I'm very interested in the MUM-6's with the beryllium tweeters and the Dynamo Core Sub Compact as the Subwoofer for the stereo and the Atmos monitoring syetem... then due to size not having much choice but to go with the iLoud MTM MKII Immersive BDL... which makes it £1000 more than what I would have went with but maybe it's better. I was thinking the Gold's for the Atmos setup as once in Atmos it's more about placement and I know I will enjoy the sound of the Gold's... but as of yet I can not see them fitting without claustrophobia and too little space from the speakers happening. I might have space, we will see... because it's converted and owned by me with no input from other of what I can do, I am hoping I can make it a pretty acoustically dead and maybe I can fit slightly bigger monitors than the iLoud MTM MKII's. Before I get close to it I will begin my vlog on the process, as soon as the money coming for it is completely confirmed, it is already but I am wise to a cruel unfair world so I do not allow the possibility of any future faking lol. In that process I will be starting headphones so I do not need a studio, so that first. Quite interested in trying the Verum 1 and 2's... but I will be able to work and buy headphones. So for a budget setup the interface will be a Topping Pro E2x2 OTG and using the optical out to add a Topping - D50 III and a A50 III so I| can power any headphones and still have my golds with very limited acoustics just for listening enjoyment and occasionally a reference... with proper acoustics they would be a reliable monitoring system in the price range. Budgets are funny because a minimum cost of suitable acoustics for a sub £500 speaker setup is about 2K lol... so if you haven't got the 2K minimum for acoustics or the time to build your own for £500 you haven't the budget for a studio unless you go headphones. And it's important to learn headphones so it's best to start on headphones as you will find it very hard to learn headphones once you get properly used to speakers.

[@TigroGumi]

The Topping A50 III is main due to wanting something that can power any headphone properly... the Tungsten's are a good example of a extremely hard to drive headphone... some often power those with a speaker amp lol

[@bobbyweezer]

Disembodied Dan

[@ir8123]

Dan Worall = Lisan al Gaib!

[@EgoPhagist]

worrall is like a messiah , if he starts a cult i'd join immediatly

[@lofimat3856]

iss Dan Worral AI or is this Jokee?

[@TigroGumi]

Still people not understanding the lack of need for a whole Atmos setup for the home... maybe I'm bias via hearing folded down down mixes to stereo sounding better than the stereo counter part... if the understanding of this was included in the thought that it will not take off then there might be more compelling arguments why it will not take off... my thought is all systems will included it eventally and the art in mixing in Atmos is all forms of fold down working and my belief is the idea of Atmos is to simplify setups not make them more complicated... it's not the same a playing a 7.1 mix on a 5.1 set of speakers.... where you essentially lose 2 channels of information... and as this continues the algorithm will continue to improve and eventually all when mixed Atmos songs will sound better than the Stereo mixed counter parts. It will take a proper understanding at least of the proper placement of elements, the same way we have learned this with stereo. I think to objective with Atmos is so there is one file format for all formats of media. We are of course are on ground zero with the format and so there's not a massive need to jump on the bandwagon yet... I wouldn't be on it unless I hadn't heard how much better a mix can sound folded down... if it only sounded the same or slightly lesser then I would not have faith in it. I do think there needs to be ways to monitor easily on folded down systems not just headphones. Lets say the Echo Studio for a example as a common Atmos bluetooth speaker for instance and then the Atmos sound bars which do not have a rear channel... again you do not loss the rear information, you just need to make sure that the rear information being played in a different orientation then makes sense. I less convinced about systems where you move you head and you move around in the music.... that is very gimmicky but will have it's place, but find it's too involved for that to become a common daily listening environment for consumers. I think what will make it become the next format for everything is if a fold down to a set of stereo speakers sounds better every time then it will survive and take over. The reason why I think it will work is because it will become less of a headache for all. Even making sure you stereo mix is mono compatible is far more complicated than a Atmos fold down to a mono speaker. The point with it is, it will no longer matter what you system is. If people play their favourite song on their normal speakers and head phones and it sound slightly better, then people do not need to know what is happening. You might not get the full Atmos effect without the full Atmos speaker setup, but if your stereo mix of a song is sounding slightly better then it's sounding slightly better. Then, you can hear that same song on a Atmos system at any point without trying to source out a special version of the song to play on that system. I think the idea mainly Atmos have, is so when you play a movie you do not need to click which version of audio you want, it knows what you have and adapt it to that an now a mix engineer does not have to make 4 odd completely difference mixes for a entire film, something that is far beyond complicated. It's a entire films worth of mixing done 4 times. Then it also means if you watch a film on something like a Echo Studio, you are not losing any of the audio content... and then when you switch to music, you are getting this same sort of immersive soundscapes and now everything is more continuative in the way it sounds. Which to me brings to being more about the content than something obliterating the loudness in one particular format. Then of course, once everything has a Amos decoder in it of some sort, then it's all so much simpler for everyone listening on anything... making it less important about what you listen to it on while making it much easier at the same time if you suddenly want to listen to it on the absolute best format to hear it on.

[@WorkingAudioTools]

And THAT'S why I'm mixing scratch from Atmos now. I work mostly on getting the stereo fold down sounding as good as can be then I work at binaural and THEN atmos with the speakers. Genuinely takes me same time to deliver a mix as mixing normal stereo and I can give my client seperate stereo fold down, binaural & ADM, for the same price as a stereo mix Makes a big difference from a business perspective when you can give your client more for not that much more effort. Client doesn't like binaural algorithm as it is? Thats fine they can wait till it improves to where they like it and then upload their ADM file to apple, tidal etc Having the ADM file basically makes their song future proof as it gives them stereo, binaural and various speaker formats (9.1.6, 7.1.4, 5.1 etc) all in one file

[@JoeyFTL]

I've never heard anything folded down to stereo not sound like absolute dogshit, but I also almost never listen to music on Apple products (or on Apple music for that matter). Have I been listening to the wrong mixes or does this only stand true if you're listening on AirPods?

[@TigroGumi]

@@JoeyFTL Then you've only found dog shit fold downs... Audio Animals shows a good example of fold downs sounding better... you are probably finding all the bad ones... I heard plenty of those before I started to hear good ones... why? because it's a new format... stereo wasn't used properly for quite a long time... but you now hear mixes after decades of stereo that sound better than mono

[@JoeyFTL]

@@TigroGumi care to share some of your faves?

[@WorkingAudioTools]

Question... How would you know if you were listening to a stereo foldown? Stereo fold down and binaural are 2 different formats with 2 different algorithms

[@philipppaulk]

The gate on Dan's audio is making me mad.

[@principedegales7092]

why dan dont appear!!!!!!

[@WorkingAudioTools]

Because he values his privacy

[@ghostofpanama622]

Because he is cool…… And, besides, he is extremely famous and does not wish to reveal his true identity. 😊

[@lofimat3856]

@@WorkingAudioTools ILLUMINATEE CONFIRMED!!23