Backpacking gear I should've NEVER bought

[@jeremyncrm2012]

I’ve found that quality but slightly heavier backpacks are so much more supportive that even with the extra weight I’m less tired and sore when I’m done hiking. The ultralight bags are so uncomfortable I don’t like using them even if they’re lighter.

[@Isheian]

I like my old army ruck. Trusted medium Alice rucksack. Back doesn’t sweat, easy to use, bombproof.

[@codyhuckins4625]

@@Isheian I sell you mine I’m over it

[@harrisilvester9300]

couldn't agree more used a 35l fast-packing backpack and hated it; shoulders, hips and back all hurt. Whenever I use a Osprey I get so much comport and support that it makes makes the extra weight so worth while and I get life time warranty!

[@LaconianConcepts]

This is 100% true. My pack will hold 65 pounds like a dream if I want to. When it carries 25-30 (my typical base weight) it feels like it weighs less than a fart. I bought my wife a super expensive ultralight pack like Dan’s because I was trying to help her go lighter in all areas and she actually hated how it carried 20lbs. She now has a 4lb ruck that carries all her ultralight equipment and loves it.... plus it has organization like hip pockets 😂

[@johogoes5947]

@@harrisilvester9300 Which Osprey do you use?

[@devinbraun1852]

Thanks for the insights Dan. I’m a huge proponent of not skimping when it comes to good sleep. Aside from a passion for backpacking, I spent 24 years in the Army in Infantry and Cavalry organizations: I’ve slept in plenty of holes in the ground, concrete floors, in/on armored vehicles, etc…. When space is tight, it’s easy to think you can make do without a pillow or decent sleep mat, but you will invariably pay for the poor decision (esp. as you get older). They don’t have to be big, bulky or lux, but functional. I have a host of tents for different occasions, including 2 BA Copper Spurs; agree they are pretty much the best all around tent on the market. If someone is getting into backpacking, I’d say make your main initial investment in decent tent, bag and pad; everything else you can go somewhat budget on and work your way to lighter and more hi-performance upgrades as you continue, but good sleep and reliable shelter will either make or ruin your outdoor experiences.

[@nicksshitbro]

Thank YOU for the insight, and for your service, sir.

[@benjaminclemens755]

Next id say is a good puffy coat and a packable rain coat. Both pack so small and I never worry about the weather now. I just put both in the pack and I know I'll be warm and dry at camp no matter what.

[@craigelliott4338]

Just started rebuying new kit after 12 years out of the fusiliers. I'm training to walk from lands end to John O'Groats. I did not mess around with my bed system. I did get the amazon Chinese cook pot however.

[@devinbraun1852]

​@@benjaminclemens755 You and I are 100% in agreement there; those are the exact things I would recommend next for higher-end purchase (i.e. light and compact versions, such as offerings from Arc'Teryx, Patagonia, TNF, etc...). But you can always start off with a budget puffy and rain jacket, you'll just have to carry some more ounces and take up more real estate in the pack. You definitely don't need $220 boots, a $250 pack, $80 BP stove, $140 trekking poles or $600 in Gore-tex outerwear and merino wool base-layer to get started; but a beginner could get that impression from watching KZbin or reading the industry magazines.

[@antoneckhart4010]

@@nicksshitbro hi..can someone find out if Dan takes a gun when backpacking? many thanks.

[@emanohtolify]

I've gone through a bunch of pillow options and I've had great success with the Sea to Summit Aeros pillow. It packs to nothing. It's inflatable, but has a soft shell, so you don't get the crinkle. You can inflate to your comfort level. I've used it on the ground and with great success in my hammock.

[@Tienuyan]

I use the same, love it

[@23v0lv32]

X2 for that pillow. I’ve had a klymit that leaked after only 3 trips. Sea to summit is excellent

[@yuushin1]

@The Metamodern did you even read the comment? It has a thick, soft fabric shell on top so it doesn't feel like sleeping on pool toy

[@totenfurwotan4478]

I got mine for free with my spark sleeping bag and I love it. Really awesome option.

[@benjaminclemens755]

@The Metamodern blow them up less. I also use the Sea to Summit and love it at about 3/4 inflation. i hate it when its fully inflated.

[@XShadowAngel]

Once I hammock camped, i've had a hard time ever going back to a tent. Setup is so much faster, easier, and less terrain dependent, and I sleep way better than on the ground.

I actually like the ZigZag. Not as a sleeping pad but as something I use when I take a break. It's easy accessable since you keep it on the outside of the backpack. Perfect to sit on while you're eating or just to take a short nap during the hike :) Then as a bonus you can use is as an extra sleeping pad below your regular one for extra insolation and comfort! Also it can protect you air matress from getting a hole as you talked about

[@skibaa1]

Exactly, Dan missed the point completely with this item

[@kristinegoodman7534]

I tried a non-organized bp and hated that everything wasn't organized. Then Osprey came out with the Eja that has all the bells and whistles but is only 2lbs! Great notes though - sometimes I think it's just trial and error and figuring out what works best for each person. It's nice that you always talk about lending out your gear to others so they get that chance before having to purchase their own gear.

[@valleyjo7803]

Stuff sacks work well for packs without organization built in

[@nicolelee2205]

I'm glad you like it because I bought the eja a few months ago and haven't had the chance to use it because I'm still in lockdown (in Sydney). I've only used it walking around the block.

[@ronson-natsarim]

I just take the approach of buying anything and everything I think might improve my experience and give away all but the select items that are the best fit for me.

[@EyUpForAdventure]

@@nicolelee2205 Hopefully you're able to use it properly soon. I got it last year (my first backpack) and I've taken it on a few camps plus a five day 84mile hike, zero complaints from me!

[@mtadams2009]

I have moved on from organized backpacks. My only reason is for weight reduction. When I did use them they worked great. I put my gear in the same dedicated pocket each time. Now I love being super light and there is no going back.

[@Two.gingers.adventures]

I’m allergic to down so always have to do synthetic. I use a synthetic quilt from enlighten equipment. It’s super light weight and keeps me super warm 🙂 and I’m a cold sleeper.

[@tenhirankei]

My problem is goose down which leaves me with duck that isn't as warm.

[@cameronalexander359]

I've noticed I start sniffing & coughing with down now too.

[@Blake-jl8lh]

When I was in scouts there were down snobs but in reality these folks just convinced kids to buy super expensive bags and be maybe marginally warmer. Spent nights in 8 degree f in my synthetic bag and I was tosty.

[@jordancypihot496]

down is useless

[@kcricket39]

I was born and raised in the Gulf South, so I refuse to use anything that won't work if the humidity gets too high. I'm super fortunate that I'm very petite, so my Big Agnes Petite Length synthetic bag only weighs 3 lbs and packs super small. I love it so much.

[@LindaNelOlivier]

I really appreciate how you prioritize comfort, since it is a big thing for me. A lot of people focus so much on keeping their things light weight, that they forget that you are out there to enjoy yourself.

[@JohnMury]

Love your channel and perspective! Personally, I'm a hammock guy but I have a BA Copper Spur for places where hammocking doesn't work. Besides the better sleep I get in a hammock, I also like how I can use it as my chair. I also love the view. On the Vermont Long Trail, I once woke up to a flash of light, thinking it was lightning. I keep my tarp in a "snakeskin" sleeve, ready to deploy -- that way I can sleep while looking at the night sky. As my vision cleared, I saw it was actually a shooting star, not lightning, so I just laid back and watching a cascade of shooting stars for the next 20 minutes. Also, when hiking remote trails in the Northeast, I find it's much easier to find a place to stealth camp in a hammock. I mostly hike solo and can see how my choice might change if I was hiking with others, especially kids.

[@zanestathakis30]

For the prospective of seeing the stars and especially shooting stars is why I also hammock almost all the time. My hiking buddies think I’m hammock mad, but now they’ve all got hammocks too 😂

[@wymanscorneroftheworld8777]

I am a hammock guy who has gone back to ground because of my daughter. When she gets older we shall see.... like the poster of this video after going back to ground it does have some advantages. I have plenty of gear and she loves lounging in hammocks when i have them hanging at the house, wonder which she will choose for herself?

[@randypeterson4146]

I agree with you on hammock camping...Been in a hammock for 3 years now and will never go back to a tent...I only missed about 10 weekends last year that I wasn't on a trail for 1 to 3 days so for me the advantages for a hammock outweigh the tent by miles...

[@rexmundi5180]

I bring the lightest eno hammock on all backpacking trips. I find it is superior to a chair and tent when you just want to relax after the hike or around the fire. Anyone who hasn’t tried should look into haven hammock tents they are a game changer for hammock lovers.

[@SummitSeeker546]

Love my Thermarest Z Lite Pad (1/2 Pad) - 7.2oz. I don’t use it as my primary sleep pad but I love using it as a sit pad, nap pad, yoga pad, wind break for cooking, vestibule mat, double layer sleep pad to increase R value on cold nights, and if my inflatable leaks I have a backup sleep pad. I use this pad multiple times everyday!

[@Laskonova]

Most of my experience in camping comes from the boyscouts, and my only backcountry camping experience comes from philmont scout ranch. And until this video that got randomly recommended to me, it never occurred to me that people brought pillows on camping trips. All of us, including the adults, would just stuff an extra bit of clothes, bunch up the top of our sleeping bag if it was taller than us, whatever worked. I did not realize people brought pillows and that was part of camping. It's neat they make low weight camp pillows.

[@demoncorejunior]

I love the Thermarest pillows so much I even use them inside sometimes. Totally worth the weight to carry into the backcountry. Very good as a pillow and also as Outdoor gear.

[@OatGoats44]

The foldable sleeping pads are great when used in a two pad system which is great for when you’re camping in really cold weather helps get your R-value up and in areas where you have a high probability of getting a whole in your mattress

[@thisbeem2714]

I am pondering trying this method. I think it would help!

[@craigiedema1707]

I've punctured enough sleeping pads to make a foldable mat worth it under an air mat.

[@joshorourke]

Thermarest pillow is a game changer! I don’t bother rolling it up and just stuff it down in the bottom of my pack with my quilt.

[@Zeriel00]

The problem is that it's so BIG so for backpackers is difficult to carry :(

[@stevevanderpoel7738]

Use the thermarest pillow bag your clothes and down jacket. Gave the pillow away years ago

[@untothelamb322]

@@stevevanderpoel7738 buy, buy, buy, buy. no think

[@gpettoohflorentini7903]

Passing through to see what new gear is out there and stumbled on this channel. Just for anyone out there not worried about packing extra weight and looking for more organization with pockets, the Osprey Atmos 65 is one of the best bags I've used. Lots of different pockets, including hip pockets and has a lot of areas to tie on extra gear. It's more than just a literal bag that weighs zero lbs and costs too much $.

[@Kurtis11266]

not everyone has $300 to spend on a backpack for some fancy pockets

[@gpettoohflorentini7903]

@@Kurtis11266 fair. you're probably better off with the $375 backpack with no fancy Pocket that is the recommended option in the video. 😊

[@Kurtis11266]

@@gpettoohflorentini7903 or a cheaper one that does the same job?

[@gpettoohflorentini7903]

@@Kurtis11266 totally get it. there is that option too. I would just say you get what you pay for. Friends of mine bought a cheap option from Walmart for our fist backpacking trip and the seams ripped on the bag, a zipper pulled off the rail and he head hot spots from where the frame rubbed against his hips and shoulders. I have had the Atmos 65 for 5yrs and so far nothing has failed and it is comfortable going long distance and it came with a 2yr warranty. I'm sure there are cheaper options out there but you may end up having to replace it. I always say, buy once cry once. Good luck man!

[@Kurtis11266]

@@gpettoohflorentini7903 Very good point and I didn't mean to get hostile, just not many people can afford that expensive of a backpack.

[@67L48]

Thanks for sharing. I'm not a backpacker, but I am a camper. Even though I typically camp near a car, I love learning about premium gear and I also like to save weight. With that said, I bought a thermarest pillow about a decade ago. As a camper, weight and space wasn't a concern, but I was just tired of dragging my pillow back and forth. That thermarest pillow is one of the best pillows I've ever slept on -- at home, hotels, or camping. I was shocked that a backpacker pointed to it, since it's a pretty bulky item. But sleep is important. Cheers and thanks for your videos.

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

I love my Trekology pillow; I love that it's ridiculously generous compared to other brands' similar product - most air pillows are way too narrow for my side-sleeping self. I even carry it in my handbag, to use as a lumbar pillow when my spine is acting up! I have also used it in hotel rooms, when the provided pillows were too flat for me. It's just an all-around winner, IMHO. 🙂

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

P.S. I do also have Sea To Summit compressible pillow, & it's great, but it doesn't pack down to half the size of a Coke can. 😉

[@JimYeats]

Yeah I’ve mine to be very comfortable. My old stand by pillow is the thermarest pillow, but the trekology supports my neck much better.

[@michaelharris4503]

I have two Sea to Summit pillows. Super comfortable… but testing these on my bed at home ( not in a real camping scenario) they lasted about 20 days before they got a slow leak. I am done with S2S pillows until they get their quality up. Testing out a Nemo air pillow with foam and it has been my go to for about a year . I use it at home and camping. Love it

[@BriLea63]

if you fix the side sleeping, you'll fix a lot of the pain

[@robbiecale3327]

​@@BriLea63 wdym fix? is side sleeping not the right way to sleep or something?

[@wisenber]

Synthetic insulation definitely has it's place. I use synthetic quilts in the summer, paddle trips and as an outer layer in deeper cold to move the dew point outside of my down. We also used them for extended ski touring in Greenland. The down sleeping bags had gained about 5 lbs in water weight within a week and the ones with them were freezing. My 5 lb synthetic bag weighed less than the down bags after a week and it still worked. It isn't the rain that usually gets down. It's the humidity and insensible perspiration. Synthetic jackets are also good when you're hiking into the sweat zone on winter hikes. They just shrug it off.

[@serenitybois6459]

Can confirm. I live in a rainforest and the humidity with no rain is enough to make everything damp even in the summer. Down is very difficult to use here

[@zzzgoodnight2883]

Meh, they wash down in DWR now. I’ve never had issues with anything new.

[@wisenber]

@@zzzgoodnight2883 DWR down doesn't take a soaking and still takes hours in dryer.

[@zzzgoodnight2883]

A soaking? Never had issues with that. Most of my bags have waters resistant or proof shells. In conjunction with a waterproof sack and you’re set.

[@wisenber]

@@zzzgoodnight2883 Right, soaking. I mentioned using

[@NorthernExposureATV]

I completely agreed up untill the hammock. I love my Hennessey, light, off the ground, easiest to set up, for me its far more comfortable. I definitely recommend bringing a blanket or some type of "under quilt" for colder weather but all in all good tips for newbies....still think you need to try a few different hammocks though😅 Other suggestions-don't bring a pillow, use a dry bag with clothing in it...generally I use the clothing im going to wear in the morning to it stays warm and dry. I also sleep nude so my body moisture is wicked away and has the opportunity to dry out. Doing all of this and getting dressed inside my hammock usually means I'm the first one up getting a fire started because I slept better and woke warmer. Love that you nailed it on the head with the backpack! As far as spreading my stuff out in my hammock...I hang my bag on the hammock at my feet where I get in and out. Nothing sits on the ground to get wet dirty or become a home for something. With all that said I have had critters like raccoons pawing at my but😄 kinda freak at night.

[@OldPackMule]

If you can sleep in a tent then it's much more versatile and convenient. For those of us who can't get a pad that's comfortable enough the hammock is a hike saver.

[@kimkremer8915]

I think the versatility & convenience is a toss-up. With a hammock, I can camp on uneven ground, rocky ground, wet ground -- I don't need a flat spot. But if you're relying on Guthooks, you learn to take the locations of camp areas with a pinch of salt. (I add notes wherever I see good hammock spots.) The big downside is that if I'm hiking with a groundling, we may not find a good spot for both of us. I can sleep on the ground; she can't rig her tent in a tree. So I sleep on the ground if I must.

[@michamarzec4311]

I use an inflatable pillow I bought for what would be the equivalent of $5 and I actually love it. Guess it depends on a personal preferance. Pro tip: often you can find much more comfortable position for your head and neck, whether you're sitting or laying down, not inflating it fully and folding in half. Besides wrapping it up in some natural material shirt makes up for the home-like feeling, that is for me at least.

[@stephenhenley7452]

On the sleeping bags, I agree...HOWEVER, I spend a lot of time camping in South Texas...in the Summer. Sleeping bags that DON'T keep me warm are an asset!!!

[@GypsyGirl317]

Are quilts good in the summer?

[@garrettmtz]

In South Texas when we go I just use a swagman roll lol

[@oxxnarrdflame8865]

For a pillow I always stuff my puffy jacket into my sleeping bag stuff sack. Works great and no extra weight or cost.

[@stoneysdead689]

I like sleeping on the ground but I prefer a tarp to a tent- it's just so versatile. I can set it up dozens of different ways to be able to let heat in from a fire or visit with other ppl, to be completely closed in like a tent for privacy, or just fly it to keep rain or sun off. Plus, the one I have doubles as a poncho so it's rain gear as well as shelter. The hood hides in a pocket when it's in tarp mode and can hang down inside the shelter and be used to store small things. Poncho/tarps are awesome- any time you can combine two pieces of gear into one without losing functionality- perfect. The only issue I have is that in poncho mode it tends to hang down a bit low and get under my feet if I don't tie it around my waste.

[@isabelledrolet4297]

Unfortunately, synthetic bags/quilts are all I can use as I'm allergic to down 😕. Thankfully EE has great options with their apex line.

[@joelniemann9547]

Same! Plus, I think he downplays the importance of still keeping you warm when it does get wet. On a long hike, it seems to always eventually get wet no matter how careful you are. And just like how not all down is created equal, it's even more the case with synthetic. So I don't think a blanket statement about synthetic is really fair, especially when his example is a cheap synthetic bag that he compares to the 'Cadillac' of down bags. If he were to buy a $600 synthetic bag, I think he'd eat his words about warmth and weight.... well.... ok, not entirely. Down would probably still be superior in most conditions but the difference would be minimal. And, yeah, it's not even an option for people like us that are allergic to down.

[@stupatrick]

Who's EE? It's a phone ISP over here in the UK!

[@isabelledrolet4297]

EE refers to Enlightened Equipment, a company based in Minnesota in the USA.

[@netsurfers9357]

I really like my Carinthia 6... but most buy the Carinthia 4 version military sleeping bag... synthetic compact and well made for the military.

[@Zeriel00]

Have you tried Duck down? is cheaper and maybe you're only allergic to goose?

[@scottfreedom2012]

I love my ridgerunner hammock and sleep incredibly well. Depends on where I'm camping but if there are trees I'm taking my hammock! :)

[@Weld0id]

While I can make due with a pad on the ground, I actually sleep better in my hammock than in my bed. I think people get turned off by the learning curve involved. It definitely was difficult to figure out the right gear for it, but I love it now!

[@_caee_]

I like the foldable foam pads for cushioning a fragile sleeping pad, fanning flames in winter (or wet) fires, sitting on wet ground - basically as a cheap, dispensable first guard against uncomfortable ground

[@elioraimmanuel]

I am NOT a backpacker. I like to hike a few hrs at a time, but much of this translates to how I like to camp. If we take all of the kids and/or their friends we will take the big cabin tent, but for hubby and I we use a Big Agnes 4 person Mtn Glo tent. I LOVE my tent. It is a breeze to set up, light weight and perfectly sized for our Nomad mats and Jazz Duo sleeping bag! We “glamp” with a full kitchen for our 9-14 day outings with 6-12 people, but we also car camp and duo camp where we take a minimalist approach. Thanks for your videos!

[@LagiacrusHunter]

As a side sleeper, I use a Trekology inflatable pillow underneath my Thermarest foam pillow. I found that one or the other just isn't high enough and makes my neck uncomfortable over time, but both of them together are the perfect height!

[@blankfocus1521]

The Thermarest Zsol foldable pads are my go to for years. I have one that has lasted a decade and been on multi day bicycle trips, and everything else and never "popped" or even ripped. They can be folded in so many ways that when you're backpacking you can use them to turn rocks and logs into the most comfortable padded seating in the forest before you take it to bed with you.

[@meganduncan127]

The technology for synthetic sleeping bags has improved tremendously, I own a 35 degree comfort rating synthetic bags that’s 2.3 lbs and it packs smaller than a Nalgene, it kept me warm down to 25 degrees on my last camping trip a few days ago. Synthetic is not out for the count and can be a good option along with down bags.

[@sacura605]

What sleeping bag is this?

[@meganduncan127]

@@sacura605 It’s the Nemo Azura comes in different comfort rating. I believe there’s a new version that just came out could be more improved.

[@artteacher71]

Thanks for the tip. A lot of us are allergic to down!

[@fixerupperer]

Chain store rectangular synthetic bags are a world different than any bag made by a legit outdoor gear company.

[@robbiecale3327]

​@@fixerupperer yeah idk why he compared Walmart brand sleeping bags to a top of the line down bag. seems a bit unfair. I've got a Berghaus synthetic bag and it's warm as anything

[@ManivanAdventures]

I want to like an air pillow so much just because of how small they compress, but I’m right there with you on the Thermarest pillow! So worth it!

[@davidhartley6232]

I think the tent vs hammock thing has many variables and not necessarily one or the other... For example; here in Oregon, there are places you can't hang a hammock and others places you can't pitch a tent... So, for ME, both are essential pieces of kit.

[@emanohtolify]

Correct. The tent vs hammock debate will go on forever. I for one get giddy when I can sleep in my hammock set up. With the right thermal system, a hammock wins for me hands down. Especially in sketchy terrain.

[@goringo_]

If you are in Europe, Czech Republic, hammock (apart from sleeping under the stars) is usually the only allowed way how to sleep in mountains (protected areas), since ground shelters with a floor (=tent) are forbidden

[@daleking9439]

I can't think of a time where I've never brought my hammock

[@Finnspin_unicycles]

@@goringo_ Yep, I think the hammock is a neat little loophole in some areas. I love my hammock a lot for shorter trips where I expect good weather, pretty light and compact. A big factor is that it's cheap though, I think if I had money to throw around for a tent that is competitive in weight and size, I might prefer that.

[@sommebuddy]

The Klymit Drift is now my favorite, much like the thermarest, and available in a few sizes. The ability to launder the cover, without washing the foam is great. My large is a bit big, but i keep it bungeed up, so tempted to use it at home it is so comfortable.

[@artfisher1235]

Closed cell foam under an insulated air pad is the boss. Top that with Reflectix building insulation, and you have the ultimate cold weather tri-level pad.

[@justindunlap1235]

That is a great multi season sleep setup, I do the same when winter camping, I've had nights get below zero F and still stayed comfy and warm.

[@tudorverde]

Almost 100% here, with the exception that, instead of my Trimm hollow fiber sleeping bag, I switched to the good old wool blanket. Great video, I will save it for the friends who are beginners in camping. Cheers!

[@aaronkuntz668]

I have a synthetic sleeping bag rated to -29. Tested it at -25. Weighs 6lb 9oz. Seems ridiculous to say all synthetic bags are bad. Being able to withstand wetness and keep you warm is also a very important attribute for winter camping. Weird to write that off, synthetics are better in that regard.

[@PlatypusPGM]

Yeah? They're great

[@bramnovak881]

We were camping in spring overseas and it was cold and rainy, and it started really pouring. The waterproofing in the tent floor failed at a corner. I woke up in the middle of the night and the bottom third of my bag was in a good inch+ of water. My feet and legs were wet, and I was terrified of freezing to death, but my synthetic bag kept me warm until morning, and even though i woke up a lot, I did manage to get sleep.

[@Internetprolet1312]

Also 90% of people will never need a proper down bag. Its expensive and to be honest quite bad for the environment and for the animals. :/

[@mikelovesbacon]

@@Internetprolet1312 Synthetics are just as bad for the environment. Put it in the wash and millions upon millions of plastic microfibres will be released, and these are now being found in the human body. You can get ethically certified down.

[@JeanFrancoisDesrosiers]

Indeed. Sleeping in humid conditions (east coast) and keeping the sleeping bag packed during treks (obviously) will greatly wreck the performance of a dawn sleeping bag. Most east cost use cases are better suited with synthetic sleeping bags.

[@Tienuyan]

Well, agree with most of it, although I still prefer my Atmos 65L Osprey over the “one sack” type of backpack you use. I guess my memory just works better lol, and since I always need to get stuff “fast” out of my bag, like lets say “photography gear with lenses / filters / 360 cameras + chargers + batteries” is way easier to have all of them ready under 1 zipper on both sides of the bag instead of opening the “sack” and pulling out the smaller “sack” with the battery / charger / cable / filter / lens that I need. Another reason to have the “all pockets” that you hate about is in case you have a companion hiking together, is just easier to tell them to open the “left/right” zipper and get whatever you need on the run instead of unbuckle all the straps to put the back on the floor to open the top side and try to find whatever you need, something that your friend would never find with the backpack strapped on your back. Even alone is way easier to find the “small stuff” that you trow on the sides of the exterior pockets. Everything that I leave in the “main” body is organized the same way you so, with the same bags. But I need that extra fast pockets on the outside for items on the go.

[@NH2112]

I always keep my first aid kit in the most external pocket for easiest access - upper brain pocket, lower front zippered pocket, even in the mesh shove-it pocket. Things I’m most likely to need quick access to but that aren’t as critical as first aid go either in the lower brain pocket or the top of the main pocket - raingear, down jacket, hat & gloves, etc. Food & stove go below that, then it’s layers, sleeping pad, tent, sleeping bag (in its own compartment), etc. In winter most gear is bigger and heavier so I can just use a larger pack with a very similar layout so everything is easy to pack and remember.

[@epiieq1]

Videos like this are very helpful! Sure, it’s just a recommendation, but I’m helping a new BSA Troop get off the ground, and your Channel is a help as none of us have backpacked before, but that’s what they want to try. Now it’s just acquiring some basic gear to start off, and going from there. Thanks!

[@Blake-jl8lh]

Dont make your scouts go buy down bags. Weight is not as big of a concern for most of them and depending where you live temps might not either. I stayed warm no problem in Maryland with synthetic 4 season bags even down into the teens

[@AntwonDaBusiness]

I just got a mountain hardware eco AF synthetic bag and it’s super comfy, super lightweight, VERY compact, and WARM. Give the mountain hardware eco AF synthetic bag a try. They use some fancy insulation in it and it’s super light compact and warm. I used it last night for the first time in 50 degrees and had to unzip it all the way because I was sweating. I used it as a quilt basically and was toasty. Trust me it’s a pretty awesome synthetic. It’s smaller and weighs less than my goose down quilt with the same temp rating….I’m not sure how mountain hardware accomplished this but it’s magic

[@patrickphillips3671]

Thanks Dan. I greatly appreciate how you express what is or isn't right "For You" and then explain why. We are all different. And what works for one does not necessarily work for all. Again, kudos to you. I always enjoy your content.

[@lachlanjohnson9884]

I’m a tricycle tourer (three wheel bicycle) and I’ve discovered that the best sleep system that works incredibly well for me is a Helinox Cot Max, Sea to Summit Ether light pad, Sea to Summit Ember EB 2 and 3 Quilt (temperature dependent) and a Sea to Summit Aeros pillow. Expensive? Absolutely. Good nights sleep? Absolutely! And for how light it is overall, it’s just awesome. Anyway, food for thought!

[@moe_1886]

Thanks Dan. Reviews like this are a great help for a lot of people, because there's just so many products out there for every single category and for categories no one knew existed! So it's always good to hear honest feedback for what worked for you and what didn't, and that way, others can make a more informed decision... and then blame you later! 😂🤣

[@stgibson2810]

I have a Gregory Baltoro 65 and it’s very heavy as far as packs are concerned. I’ve struggled with this decision but I’ve convinced myself that it was the right call. It is incredibly comfortable and made to carry 35 or more pounds, however I’m generally carrying between 25-27lbs and being so light, the pack isn’t stressed and makes it feel much lighter than it actually is. Plus it’s extremely durable versus cuben fiber packs so it’s my forever pack!

[@RichardEnglander]

I have that pack, I think it is great because of how well it carries the load. I have back issues and it really helps. Good kit

[@russellteee]

DB: This does NOT mean it’s the wrong gear for you Me: *throws every pillow in garbage*

[@DanBecker]

😂

[@GypsyGirl317]

Lol 😂 Me - still likes my little inflatable pillow for now. 😊

[@nferno33]

Just send that hammock and Trekology my way. Love that pillow! 😆 I totally agree, what works for one, does NOT work for all. If that were the case, we’d only have one style and color of everything. How boring…

[@MrShankspony]

Agreed on the backpack... use/reuse resealable bags for organization instead.

[@florindagonzalez5700]

Lol

[@christinae30]

Beside an inflatable sleeping pad I last time brought a foldable pad, mostly to sit on at breaks. Ended up using it folded under my pillow. Worked very well for me (use two pillows at home). At that trip there were not many breaks becase of the weather, but nice when things can be used multiple ways. Liked that you explained why or why not you use those things!

[@unmissable]

You have to go with what works with you, I tend to go for molle stuff, and pouch's, and things, which adds weight. But I do less trekking, and more bird watching, occasional fishing, and even some shooting. So all my stuff needs to be assecible for shooting. I use a lot of ex army stuff as well. But it's cheap and strong, and can endure my deer hound lurcher running around a field with it, which is my equipments ultimate test. So people might laugh at my stuff. It might be weighty. But I don't cry too much if the occasional item gets shredded. But it's worth the cost of having the excellent outdoor company of my dog. I agree it's what works for you and for me a very large hound that wants your sleeping bag to lie on, a tent to run through, and the challenge of a hammock to leap on.

[@matti550]

I love my folding sleeping pad it sits in my frame and is great for military uses getting somewhere late to throw down and get a quick sleep. But I also to take my Alton goods inflatable mat when I have the time to set up something better.

[@farstrider79]

I used foam sleeping pads for about 20 years, they're light, but not the most comfy. I replaced it with an overthink and heavy thermarest since I'm not a distance guy anymore. The foam pads are super useful to keep in your car as emergency seating in wet areas, insulating groceries from the hot bed of my truck in the summer if I can't fit them in the cab, impromptu fort for my three year old to use as privacy while using her travel potty, sun shade for same little girl while driving, yoga mat, windscreen while car camping, and more.

[@meglehman162]

I LOVE enlightened Equipment quilts that has been the BEST sleeping bag and quilt ever!

[@battlement]

I own a Nemo Tensor Sleeping Pad thanks to you Dan! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences.

[@DanBecker]

It’s a great pad!

[@MrEcted]

I really like your organization idea for backpacks. I do tend to try and be too organized with loads of pockets, only to forget where I put stuff, and end up having to fumble with a bunch of zippers and crap. I'm definitely a tent person myself for sleeping, but I like bringing an ultra-light hammock with me, even if it does add a little weight. They're so nice to chill in for a quick nap, or to just lay back fully suspended and do a little reading or whatever.

[@pilgrmpatti4698]

I love your channel.....but, I have to go on record, what brought me here was Hammock camping ! I definately agree its a personal decision....but I switched from a tent to a bridge hammock, and love it!

[@DanBecker]

😂 if I had to choose a hammock… A bridge hammock would certainly be it! It is definitely the most comfortable in my opinion! You made a great choice!

[@manuelilic9195]

I was going on a summit to spend a night there but the total weight from my backpack was about 23kg...I´ve carried a cheap sleeping bag with 2,5kg, which unfortunatly fell the next day from the mountain, so I decided to invest in quality and bought a lighter one with down feathers. The 2,5kg trekking backpack will be replaced with a simple lighter one with 960grams. Just learned from experiences and also from your content which you share for us; thank you!

[@caseyhayes4590]

foldable sleeping pad is great in addition to the best inflatable pad, on its own they aren't great. "In addition to" you get a backup pad, keeps your bag from sliding around your tent, it's the best lightweight chair you can get, and it does add a little extra warmth. Would I ever use it as my only pad on a backpacking trip....ah no haha.

[@GorgoScrobo]

I agree. Foldable pad makes a huge impact in cold camping when paired under my thermarest basecamp

[@xristinarose2409]

But isnt the fokdable pad not warmer? Sorry never camped in cold weather, no experience at all. I like it comfy and warm when i sleep. When i went camping and slept on those foldable pads in around 10°C, i wasnt cold. When i slept on the air ones inside a house where it was 18°C, i couldnt stop shaking because i was so so SO cold. It felt as if the air underneath me was sucking up my warmth. Now i am considering to go camping where it is colder and not so sure what to do. Any advice for a lady who gets cold very easely?

[@caseyhayes4590]

@@xristinarose2409 If you believe the ratings from the companies themselves, the high quality inflatable pads ($100-250 range) are the warmer than foam pads...but combining them with folding foam pads is even warmer. Not all air pads are equal and I do think some aren't designed to reflect your heat back as well. Thermarest brand is what I have experience with. They are small, light and warm, but the downside is price and they are kind of noisy, at least the two I've had which is why his Big Agnes suggestion intrigues me.

[@xristinarose2409]

@@caseyhayes4590 thank you for the answer. I should give it a try, maybe it is indeed the quality that plays a big part, not sure. And i dont mind some noice lol i sleep across a bar/cafe with open windows in the summer without problems so sound is not an issue for me 😊 thanks for sharing your experience 💪

[@hikersteph]

I really love using a thinlight 1/8 Gossamer Gear pad as a lounge pad during the day and under my NeoAir at night. Worked great for me on the PCT! Only 3oz too so I don't feel as bad about carrying 2 pads

[@totenfurwotan4478]

I actually really like my 70L osprey. I will say there are a couple more spaces then needed but I do really like the little bottom space that separates it from the main body. I use that lower portion for cooking and water purification space so I can just grab it as needed

[@ScottHess]

Eh, I have three or four thermarest pillows from before I started backpacking, and I take a sea to summit inflatable. The ultralight version was a complete fail for me, but the Aeros premium does the trick. YMMV, I guess.

[@emanohtolify]

Great pillow.

[@kellyjohnson3617]

I got a down quilt. My first sleeping bag I bought is a synthetic mummy bag. I almost never use it. Cuz I’m either too hot or too cold and nothing in between. I got a couple sleeping bag liners to stop up the gaps cuz when I’d get too hot I’d unzip it then I couldn’t cover myself like if I had a blanket. The quilt style is so much better. And the down is light weight and super warm when I need it but I just poke my feet out if I get too warm snd partially cover the part of my body I need to keep warm. If I need extra warmth, then I already have the liners that sometimes that’s all I use when it’s warm anyway and those are tiny. I love my thermarest self inflating or Uber light inflatable pad. Just like sleeping on my bed. I have bad knees so when car camping I put them on the cot and it’s really like I’m at home. I do use a blowup neck pillow snd my compresssnle pillow together to give my neck a little more firm support but I agree that the compressible pillow rocks. I have four tents for depending on what I need. A two person backpacking tent that weighs two lbs, a 3 person tent that’s my first tent. I love it cuz it is bomb proof snd has been with me in every weather. Easy to set up. I can fit my cot in there if needed. Easily fits two people and our gear, especially if one sleeps on the cot snd the other on the ground do we aren’t smacking each other in the night. And under the cot is great storage space. When I’m car camping for several days in one place I have my six man tent. Cheapie from Amazon but it’s been through the rain and held its own. But it needs more love snd handling with kit gloves cuz it’s made from not as good quality materials but I can stand up in it snd have a chair and table in it snd have room for at least one other person in there with me if need be but honestly I just stretch out in it, take the top off and read a book and enjoy nature snd relax. Fourth tent is a pop up shelter tent for the beach or if I’m car camping snd don’t want a major tent set up. Just toss it snd stake it down.

[@barracksrat728]

I got a Klymit 0 degree synthetic bag refurbished by manufacturer for $100, it is honestly pretty amazing!

[@DanBecker]

😮🙌🔥

[@gokcegrbz]

Very useful information. Thank you. One gear I should never have bought is my Mountain Hardware Bozeman -19C sleeping bag. It weighs 2,7kg in stuffbag. Can be great for a car camping but definetely useless for backpacking.

[@jondressel6594]

Great video Dan. I've been collecting gear for almost two years preparing for my first three days coming up in October. Im using an Opsrey Atmos 65 and realizing man theres way to many storage areas on this pack. I'm gona give it a go for this first trip but 🤞 I can find all my stuff. Your channel has been a huge influence and great asset to giving me confidence in my new venture.

[@drivenbyendurancetheoffici8679]

Get a Mystery Ranch and anything you get will be amazing omg

[@andrewneilson227]

I like the trekology pillow because of the strap that keeps it in place. I toss and turn like crazy. And I just got my first down bag! Used it this weekend. So excited. The foam Sleeping pads are for the birds. Side sleeper….no comfort whatsoever

[@85Gute]

I love my Osprey Aether 65. It’s a more simplistic version of the Atmos. Not as many pockets. However I do get use out of the pockets that it does have.

[@totenfurwotan4478]

I love mine too. Great bag, I love the bottom compartment the most so my fire cooking and water purification tools are separate from my tent bag etc

[@teeprince279]

im a ground sleeper and i absolutely love my zig zag sleeping pad. Its softer than my sleeping place at home, especially when sleeping on softer ground in the woods.

[@tboneoutdoors688]

I agree with most stuff you mentioned, especially the pillow. I do like my Osprey pack though… so you’re clearly wrong with that one.

[@DanBecker]

I’m never wrong! Ever! I’m always right! 😂😂

[@GypsyGirl317]

@@DanBecker lol 😂 😂🙏🏽🤦🏻‍♀️😅🏞️🏕️🌳

[@nferno33]

Me: calls Kyle O’Grady 🤣🤣

[@danielkutcher5704]

@@DanBecker I have somehow hiked well over a thousand miles of section hikes on the Appalachian Trail over the past 18 years with three frameless, pocketless, zipperless ultralight backpacks, two of which were closeouts, on sale, the third, current one, is a bit more robust, a CDT from ULA Gear. I have two hip belt pockets on that one, which I use for 1) snacks, and 2) #2 stuff 😁. Tbh, though all three packs had big mesh pockets on the back, and side pockets with drawstring closures. Three silnylon ditty bags inside keep my 1)extra clothing, 2) warm-up clothing, and 3) medical kit/repair kit, and fire starter kit organized. Of course, I have a food bag, which also holds my cookset, as well. The packs hold their shape with a closed cell Wal-Mart pad inserted vertically, which I unroll, then stuff my gear into. The pad is usable as a floor mat under my hammock (on top of an old tent silnylon footprint), a sit pad, or when I need hunker down in a storm, a marginally comfortable sleeping pad on a shelter floor. For a pillow, I simply pull a knit shirt over my bag of warm-up clothing, which I carry anyway, so zero weight penalty, there. I improvise, whenever possible, to save weight, which earned me the trail name, Tinker. I was planning to hik the last 270 miles of AT later this month, but just found out that the little toe I stubbed last week is broken. Oh, well! 😕

[@MrElecterik]

You are totally right about those backpacks with lots of (so called handy) pockets, you have to remember where you put your stuff. A large space and working with a few organizer bags (in different colours) for clothes, gear and accessories is so much more better.

[@jjmcwill2007]

I'm laughing about the hammock thing, because I bought a Ridge Outdoor Gear hammock AFTER seeing your video about how you liked it and the mods you made to it. But no worries. We're still primarily tent campers while I dabble here and there with hammocks camping. East of the Mississippi, it seems like there are a lot of places where hammock camping could be advantageous. Out west, I think I'd always take a decent tent, sleeping pad, and sleeping bag or quilt.

[@kimkremer8915]

I've done a lot of hiking in Washington State. There's only a handful of places I have to take my tent.

[@johannes7185]

I love my Osprey 70. im a fan of the organisation

[@SparkyNorth]

Thanks for all the insight, glad to say you got me into backpacking. Just got back from my first trip and it was awesome!

[@DanBecker]

🙌🔥

[@TimothyShaw]

I switched from tent to hammock because I enjoyed the learning curve of new tech and then learned to love the comfortable sleep I get in them. I admit that it won't work in the desert but I mostly camp in the woods. My kids also love using them over a tent. I save from outlining the many other pros and cons as many videos already cover this debate. In the end, I say camp how you want to. I agree that the inflatable pillow doesn't match a puffy one, but I find them comfy enough in the hammock.

[@briangarner]

One day i'll have a hyperlight sleeping bag, tent, etc etc, than i'd like a hyperlight bag. Until then, a little weight in the bag for a heavier bag works for me. Great vid.

[@MPHshoots]

Hyper light doesn’t make a sleeping bag lmfao, I own a northrim 4400 though. It’s worth the money as a climber.

[@Mux0006]

Foldable matts are bad, but the cheap roll-up yoga matts are soo good in the summer. The trick is to let it loosely hang at the bottom of your hiking bag so that when you sit on the ground it acts as a seat. + the easy access allows it to be used as a group seating when the grass is wet.

[@seedmole]

Yo, check out the folding foam pads that have a thermally reflective layer, they actually get pretty warm.

[@stangiles2001]

In my backpacking travels in Oz I had 3 box wine bladders. Tough foil fabric? Used 2 for water. And one for a pillow. Yup drink the wine first, pretty easy to clean, and very rarely had one leak. They are free and you are recycling and least for a short time.

[@rosslangerak8361]

So, you're comparing a Walmart synthetic fill sleeping bag to a down sleeping bag from a high-end camping gear outlet? Have you tried a high-end synthetic fill bag? Have you tried a Walmart down bag? I ride a motorcycle. I lust after those light-weight hammock systems. However, I often find myself in areas without trees. Sometimes without the option of going elsewhere. A hammock just isn't practical for me. If I never left the forest, I think I'd have a hammock.

[@monlonlabe5016]

You make look at hammock that can be used as tent also. there is several brands out there. So you get the best of both world.

[@rosslangerak8361]

@@monlonlabe5016 Thanks for the suggestion. A quick search provided some interesting examples. Definitely something to look into. This also reminded me that I have seen a kayak tent. The inflatable kayak works as the base of a tent. For hikers, you could navigate streams or cross lakes with it. I imagine in the snow you could use it as a sled. I can't imagine it would be light. A quick search didn't get any results.

[@cyphatechie5459]

i live in the african tropics with a lot of rain forest cover and i do backpack trailing every 2 weekends of the month...tents haver their advantanges but i will always prefer a hammock since it has advantages that can't be ignored ...Unlike a tent, which needs level ground, a hammock can be set up just about anywhere there are two trees....If you're planning on doing a lot of hiking or backpacking, every ounce counts and hammock is typically much lighter and of course One of the best things about hammocks is that they're incredibly relaxing. There's something about being suspended in the air that just makes you feel good😅 AQnother point out is the big "many pockets" backpack: i love some level of perfection so the right layout of compartments allows for easy organisation, so that i won’t be struggling to find items when ineed them.i use organizer packs and won't throw anything randomly in my backpack..i won't be sacrificing all this for an ounce of less weight..plus the design engineering that go into designing this premium backpacks makes them incredibly comfy even with heavy weights i am a small guy at 5.4' only 115 pounds,so i carry a constant 24 pounds of gear even if i don't use all of that just for stamina and longer expedition prep

[@cml4914]

I love my osprey, its so comfortable, but it is a little OTT with the straps on the outside I will admit.

[@drownthedays]

My foldable thermarest pad has become an absolute essential on the trail for me. I use it in combination with a 3/4 length, ultralight inflatable pad (totaling lighter than a regular trail-pro), and at almost any break spot, it goes directly on the ground. Increases the relaxing factor during lunch and coffee breaks by a factor of 100.

[@rdman2wo]

While I may use and love a few of the things you mentioned, great video. I think people get too torqued about other peoples opinions...

[@netsurfers9357]

I like my Carinthia 6 sleeping bag... military grade that doesn't let you down and it is synthetic material on the inside... comfort zone at -18 degrees and up to -40 degree. But, I live near the Cascade mountains where it snows a lot and this comes in handy in the winter! The Teton Hunter is really nice also, but it's too big and bulky to carry distances, though great for long drives in my 4x4 truck!

[@dont138]

I hammock camped for years, back when you could really only get a Hennesy or Clark, unless it was custom. Eventually was using all the good stuff from HG, Dutch, and WB. Went back to a tent last year to try to get my kids out with me and I had to admit, I liked the tent better. Now I’m back to ground camping solely.

[@DestinyA83]

100% about the foam pad! Being a heavier gal (200lbs) it is the most uncomfortable thing I have ever used. I finally found my favorite pad. Overnont 5" thick air pad but it's big and heavier than any others but comfort while sleeping is my top priority.

[@kevans2337]

Hey Dan I really like your videos and your quirky humor. Totally make me smile 😃 !

[@1st_watch442]

When I took my first overnight backpack trip. I actually bought a My Pillow brand travel pillow. Real pillow and i can machine wash it. It is so nice to sleep on the real thing! Mine rolls up pretty small.

[@DaveOffGrid]

Great stuff Dan! I enjoy my Thermarest pillow as well. I believe it's closer to 7.5ozs if you want to update that, maybe weigh it on your scale at home. I never should have bought cheaper Chinese sleeping pads and pillows! I went through a BUNCH before settling on the Tensor and Thermarest pillow.

[@DeerUNIT42]

Do you wish you would have gone with the Medium over the small size pillow? 4oz more, but I have wide shoulders and side sleeper, thinking I'd like the extra bit in there to get a little taller if I needed.

[@DaveOffGrid]

@@DeerUNIT42 I also own the medium and find it too large for backpacking. I use it for my car camping trips. I too am a side/stomach sleeper and the small is decent enough for me for backpacking. Gl on your search!

[@pcgaminghelp]

While my $300 bulky Cabelas 0 degree down sleeping bag is my most comfortable, I'm VERY happy with my $150 20 degree L.L. Bean mummy bag. The LLB 20' keeps me warm enough and can be washed in a washing machine, which you can't say of any down bag!

[@KonesThe]

The thing about synthetic sleeping bags, is that they don't use down. I won't support that industry. It would be nice to hear about some good synthetic bags.

[@mayoxx]

I totally agree with you!

[@ItsRyBear]

I know this is really late (7mo lol!) but I just bought a Mountain Hardware Eco AF sleeping bag and it's really great! Probably the most sustainable bag, plus it has a really great temp rating for its weight

[@gavinthecrafter]

Why is the down industry controversial?

[@steveeichelberger806]

Finding the right pillow is tough! I’ve wasted money on too many. I’m using the NEMO Fillo pillow now and it works good for me!

[@blakew5672]

Lmao, how did I know it was THAT “pillow” you were gonna open with. Having said that, you hit the nail on the head about air pillows. They do the job, and if weight is you’re primary concern they’re adequate. I’d argue you should just use wadded up clothes if that’s the case. If you can bring yourself to take a thermarest pillow they’re hands-down a 1000% improvement

[@NH2112]

That Osprey pack has a lot of pockets in your opinion? Main bag, sleeping bag compartment, brain (removable) with 1 or 2, 2 hip belt, and shove-it pocket on the front. FA kit, TP, socks, and rain gear go in brain, wet stuff goes in shove-it, snacks, knife, and headlamp in hip belt pockets, everything else is self-explanatory. I think if you’re bringing so much stuff you can’t remember where it is, it’s either your gear list or your memory that’s the problem, not your pack.

[@RyanSchell]

How dare you say you should have Not bought a hammock! As a hammock camper, I’m glad you found what was comfortable for you. I know I need to try the tent route for the same reason you did initially, just need to get the kids out there. BUT…I will ask, would your channel exist today if you didn’t buy a gathered end hammock that made you claustrophobic?? 🤔

[@DanBecker]

🤔 good point!! 😂

[@happyfuntimereviews5600]

My first “real” sleeping bag was a BA Encampment, purchased circa1999. Synthetic, huge, heavy, super warm! I still have it and use it as a loaner. My wife always takes it on her car camping trips with ‘the girls’. I am all down, all the way now, but that synthetic bag was one of the best purchases I ever made.

[@arleenlopez3022]

Dan, cut up that pad into squares and make seat pads!!

[@markio2010]

Or knee pads...I hate kneeling or seating on the ground.

[@bretb8799]

Yup I've done similar swaps. Tried S2S air pillow (maybe the best) but just don't like air pillows. I use down jacket in sleeping bag stuff sack. I don't need jacket sleeping, but worst case can sacrifice pillow for more warmth. New pack is one compartment with huge stretchy front pocket. I also put all misc items in one sack, so only one place to look. I "lost" stuff in old pack many times. Only gripe is sifting through to find things. I want a bag that zips wide open long ways to more easily see and locate items. Dsagree on Kelty Cosmic 550 down is not much better than synthetic. Just save up for better bag. REI Magma 15 $240 on sale is a good value.

[@davidthomson802]

Bought my thirty-below down bag in August 1976. Slept that winter on a frozen stream at 8,000 feet in Vail Colorado and lived as a ski bum. Warm and toasty at night. Hitch-hiked to pretty much every state carrying that. Went through many women but always kept the bag. Finally laid it to rest in the woods along the Niagara escarpment two years ago, figuring animals could use the feathers for nests. I had replaced thirty percent of its pelt with duct tape by that time. Now I've got a woman that'll outlast my bag. How's that for a "you young'uns" story?

[@ericstone413]

No one else is bothered by "Went through many women"?

[@James-yy4vl]

@@ericstone413 bothered? No 😂 more bothered that he littered by leaving the bag in the woods

[@zoebaz6969]

Foam pads are great for sitting/kneeling on around camp! It's also a staple for me on backcountry skiing trips, both to sit on during breaks and also as safety gear, having somthing insulated to put someone on in case of injury

[@Z0MB13Redfield]

Dan have you checked out the Big Agnes skyline UL chair? It might be better then the Helinox chair zero.

[@DanBecker]

I’ll look into it! Thanks for the tip!

[@zacharylaschober]

Weight isn’t worth to me. The helinox is a good weight to comfort ratio, but the skyline stool itself is four ounces heavier, and unfortunately big agnes focuses on the rigidity.

[@Z0MB13Redfield]

@@zacharylaschober stool? I said Chair. And rigidity is great. Better chance it won't break on me. Nothing worse then carrying Deadweight because something broke.

[@zacharylaschober]

@@Z0MB13Redfield know you said chair, mentioned the stool cause I knew the weight off the top of my head, hence “the stool itself is” as a point of reference. Having tested a number of chairs and beaten em around, unexpected failure is not something I would worry about unlike say an air pad.

[@kappy0405]

1 lb 12 oz. No thanks. The REI flexlite air is the only other chair in the same class as the Helinox. Trekking pole chairs are starting to come out that will be even lighter though.

[@alexbeckley4614]

The most important backpacking gear to buy is a gym membership. Get in shape before your trips so everything feels lighter.

[@justrusty]

You marked your "Ditty Bag" with "DB" so you'd know that's what it is? :-)

[@KevinT3141]

We haven't watched your channel before, but discovered it today and are enjoying the content. We love love love our thermarest compressible pillows. When you pulled that out and said it was your favourite my wife and I both said "Yes!"