Daniel Chamovitz - Are Plants Sentient?

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@0ptimal
@0ptimal 5 ай бұрын
As a kid in michigan, i was addicted to the woods. I had to be out in the pines every day. Id wake up early, get my shoes on and run out there, i just loved it. But one day while out in a nice spot i was just overcome with awe at how beautiful it was out there. I sat down and rested my back against a tall pine, and just looked around in amazement. In that silence i realized i was actually feeling an intense "hum." It literally felt like the trees were emitting a powerful low hum, and it felt so good. I sat there aware of it and said to myself, "This is what perfect feels like." 30 yrs ago and ive never forgotten it. Ive since concluded that the trees were speaking to me, embracing me, filling me with something that they were emitting. Sounds kooky, but im convinced there's something to it.
@backpackbattles4176
@backpackbattles4176 5 ай бұрын
That’s awesome, thanks for sharing. Glad you were able to connect to nature as a kid
@shirk_slayer
@shirk_slayer 5 ай бұрын
What an amazing experience. Thank you for sharing
@ezbody
@ezbody 4 ай бұрын
Whether there anything to it is less important than having to experience a great feeling, because it is so rare.
@Jeff-tt7wj
@Jeff-tt7wj 5 ай бұрын
The plants in the background are like “crap…they’re onto us”
@Kritiker313
@Kritiker313 5 ай бұрын
Ahh, that was going to be my joke! 🙂
@Jeff-tt7wj
@Jeff-tt7wj 5 ай бұрын
@@Kritiker313 It’s ok. Let’s both enjoy this joke together as co-founders. 😂
@cliflord9244
@cliflord9244 5 ай бұрын
hahaha
@Lak735
@Lak735 5 ай бұрын
They are plastic.
@kevinsayes
@kevinsayes 5 ай бұрын
@@Lak735their are people who spell things there way and just post it right they’re. Isn’t that f’ing infuriating to read? I know maybe it’s a minor thing, but people seem to genuinely not understand this. I just don’t get it, truly. It’s the language you speak.
@ct00001
@ct00001 5 ай бұрын
I've spent many years in the garden and I earnestly believe that plants have personalities. They are more attuned and responsive to their environment than most people.
@stevenpham6734
@stevenpham6734 5 ай бұрын
Your 2nd statement is quite obviously true, however you're gonna need to provide some arguments for the 1st claim.
@ct00001
@ct00001 5 ай бұрын
@@stevenpham6734 well to be fair, I'm not stating it to be true, only that I beleive it to be so. My only evidence would be the same as evidence I have for people having personalities. Specimens from the same genus, growing in the same environment, presenting a wide variation of responses to stimili.
@ryanb6658
@ryanb6658 5 ай бұрын
It was a joke about 20yrs in the garden 😊
@lukeskydropper
@lukeskydropper 5 ай бұрын
Are you the type of person that thinks a dead universe is better than a human universe?
@lotus.b.lazuli2020
@lotus.b.lazuli2020 5 ай бұрын
All life has a mind, I simply cannot fathom how it could be any other way. If you 'know' something, your mind is telling you that you 'know' that particular thing. I think as a human species, we seriously need to disassociate the 'mind' with 'brain'.
@ravingcyclist624
@ravingcyclist624 5 ай бұрын
I have a bog garden of carnivorous plants. The Fly Traps not only sense for more than one hair touched, they will open the trap again if no movement is detected inside the trap. They also detect the sun location and orient the blooms is that direction. (Yes, the bloom just like other plants.) BTW: Excellent video!
@Traderjoe
@Traderjoe 5 ай бұрын
Questions I had about this interview are, are there inter species communication between various plants? When the plant detects a pollinator, how quickly is it able to change its nectar to entice the pollinator? He mentioned that plants on either side react to the presence of a destructive beetle, is there a differentiation between plants of their own kind or is there any indication if there are changes in response to the beetle among plants of a different variety?
@cemerson12
@cemerson12 5 ай бұрын
The problem is projecting human concepts of sense (of taste, smell, sight) and the human concept of information processing (mental activity) onto other species rather than the other way around. As covered at around 2:15 there are other ways of biologically responding to environmental inputs without mental processing. Only a small part of human reactions or pro-actions involve any real mental processing. That may say something about our understanding of what mental processing even is -> it may just be evolutionary developed interacting-with-the-environment mechanisms
@joshaustin9119
@joshaustin9119 5 ай бұрын
Every cell has its own intelligence
@ItsEverythingElse
@ItsEverythingElse 5 ай бұрын
The invasive vines in my yard "know" how to piss me off.
@Ekam-Sat
@Ekam-Sat 5 ай бұрын
They are just happy to be alive just like animals and people.
@EugeneKhutoryansky
@EugeneKhutoryansky 5 ай бұрын
Plants have the ability to react to an outside stimulus, such as responding with a chemical defense when they are being eaten by insects. However, even a brain dead human will respond in the same way, in that the body will exhibit a chemical defense when doctors try to harvest the organs for donation. However, without a functioning brain, there is no pain or consciousness present. The same is most likely true in the case of plants.
@Ekam-Sat
@Ekam-Sat 5 ай бұрын
The brain acts as a veil. The purpose of the veil is love. Blessings to you brother.
@garyphillips725
@garyphillips725 5 ай бұрын
I hope Chamovitz really meant that he didn't mind stepping on grass or plants when it was a matter of course or simply necessary. I would hope that most people would avoid crushing any life form if it is a simple thing to avoid it and definitely not find satisfaction in the destruction. One of the factors in childhood development that leads toward bullying and aggression in adulthood is a lack of wonder and empathy toward nature which really should be nurtured by parents and society.
@lordganesha7084
@lordganesha7084 5 ай бұрын
yeah, and how will you keep on making wooden doors?
@fluiditynz
@fluiditynz 5 ай бұрын
You guilty....vegetarian? omnivore? carnivore? You predate at the supermarket?
@reverence4life88
@reverence4life88 5 ай бұрын
"Reverence for life"-if adopted en masse-would save the world! And going vegan. Sadly, humans are too unevolved and lacking in discipline to do this.
@lbanepa
@lbanepa 5 ай бұрын
Before creation comes destruction
@bigcity2085
@bigcity2085 5 ай бұрын
I let a large centipede out once, that I had found downstairs. I felt good that I let it live and watched it motor away back to where it belonged. Then I realized, that was wrong. I felt good because " I let" it live ? No. Who am I, God ? I don't "let" things live and then pat myself on the back. That's wrong. You just do it, because "killing automatically" of the little creatures, is not cool. We're all trained; you see a bug , a spider, you kill it without thinking. Took me a while to break that programming. It took a centipede. Now there is a glass and a coaster out, always, to let spiders out. I sense they know, I;m not going to kill them. They're just going for a ride.
@ptcosmos
@ptcosmos 5 ай бұрын
8:14 I love your channel and your audience, I'm gonna comment on ALL your videos for years until I reach your level of subscribers.
@SoulDelSol
@SoulDelSol 4 ай бұрын
I give my plants consistency, consistent predictable schedules with light/dark, temperatures, and watering. I've had many for 15 years and they've grown enormous in my house. They're everywhere. I also put lots of different types near each other so they can compete and that seems to spur growth. Eventually they all find their spots in sun and share and none lose out
@dosgos
@dosgos 5 ай бұрын
That was an interesting interview! I bet Daniel is an avid gardener.
@Kritiker313
@Kritiker313 5 ай бұрын
Dear Mr. Kuhn, Watching this episode about sentient plants, I'd rather think I'd found the end of the Internet than hear you report tomorrow that this was your final installment of Closer to Truth. 🙂On a serious note, I'm glad you covered this topic. I enjoyed it!
@PetraKann
@PetraKann 5 ай бұрын
I am getting hold of Chamovitz's book. Fascinating stuff
@Bill..N
@Bill..N 5 ай бұрын
Very good interview.. "Sentience" is not an overly vague word like the word "consciousness" certainly is, but AWARENESS is more precise.. Yes indeed, plants have an obvious awareness of their environment.. One opinion.
@lordganesha7084
@lordganesha7084 5 ай бұрын
wow, this got me man, thank you for the comment
@Ekam-Sat
@Ekam-Sat 5 ай бұрын
They can feel who loves them for sure.
@Bill..N
@Bill..N 5 ай бұрын
@sven888 I agee friend.. If anyone has a weak garden or house plant, it is virtually certain the reason is a LACK of attention.. Simple enough and common knowledge as well.. I am convinced that
@Bill..N
@Bill..N 5 ай бұрын
That they are far more complex than science realizes..(yet)..peace.
@SolveEtCoagula93
@SolveEtCoagula93 5 ай бұрын
'Awareness' is still vague. Traffic lights have an 'awareness' of road traffic. But so what?
@chrisgriffiths2533
@chrisgriffiths2533 5 ай бұрын
Life on Earth, Truely Amazing.
@danielandrews7561
@danielandrews7561 5 ай бұрын
I'd take the question a step further: do plants have SOULS??? Mycelia is the nervous system connecting them all, and unifying ALL Earthbound life!!! Should each planet that hosts life be identified by its own unique mycelia?
@jord1242
@jord1242 5 ай бұрын
Mowing the lawn just becomes a green-bath.
@ilyaprorok7
@ilyaprorok7 5 ай бұрын
Beautiful stuff ❤
@peterschaefer1665
@peterschaefer1665 5 ай бұрын
Fascinating, thanks guys!
@bigcity2085
@bigcity2085 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the new perspective and knowledge. Who knew ? This was great.
@_Mach3
@_Mach3 4 ай бұрын
Great video! @3:29 has this chemical ever been observed? Also, why say “smelling” ? Could it also be a different form of communication?
@seebasschipman293
@seebasschipman293 4 ай бұрын
Smelling is just the process of observing volatile chemicals with our nose. Why not say smelling?
@WillyoDee
@WillyoDee 5 ай бұрын
Pretty sure all of these points could be emulated by an Arduino. And I don't think there is a debate over whether that is sentient. It's still an interesting debate regarding plants though
@jimliu2560
@jimliu2560 5 ай бұрын
A plant that “knows” but can’t run away is useless…! Also “Knowing” is different from “Reacting to a feed-back-mechanism”…..
@subtlesuplex2394
@subtlesuplex2394 5 ай бұрын
Fascinating!
@reverence4life88
@reverence4life88 5 ай бұрын
I practice "reverence for life" (Dr. Albert Schweitzer, 1915), and believe that one should not harm other life (even non-sentient). But to say that plants are sentient is just ridiculous. To be sentient, a being needs a nervous system and nociceptors (and probably a brain), and plants do not have any of these. They simply respond in a stimulus and response manner. Still, we should respect their existence and not unnecessarily harm them. Reverence for life is a spiritual practice that could save the world, if humans only had the sense and discipline to embrace it.
@NicholasWilliams-uk9xu
@NicholasWilliams-uk9xu 5 ай бұрын
EXACTLY. Plants can't move location, therefore they need a lot of genes so that they can perform many differential strategies for survival, this leads to natural selection favoring a larger genome that supports these many chemical sensory detection mechanisms. Animals can move away from danger, which favors a streamlined genome that maximizes skeletal muscular control, symmetric proportions. Meaning when a environmental pressure is met, the animal can move out of the way, without needing many different mechanisms to change it's growth trajectory, a plant has to change growth pattern to adapt (it can't move location) larger genes are needed.
@HarshLoomba
@HarshLoomba 5 ай бұрын
Im so happy that this topic was touched. I have been more sensetive towards plants and did feel that they hear us. Probably much more intelligent to survive and adapt in any circumstances. Very interesting talk indeed.
@d.r.tweedstweeddale9038
@d.r.tweedstweeddale9038 5 ай бұрын
Get help now!
@DeCamJ
@DeCamJ 5 ай бұрын
awesome!
@sirgerbilmacintosh9101
@sirgerbilmacintosh9101 5 ай бұрын
I'm skeptical...
@chyfields
@chyfields 5 ай бұрын
Just prior to my local village fair, held in a nearby meadow surrounded by trees, the trees seem to quiver with anticipation and excitement. Sometimes their excitement is so great that it pisses with rain on the day of the fair.
@d.r.tweedstweeddale9038
@d.r.tweedstweeddale9038 5 ай бұрын
Get help!
@melgross
@melgross 5 ай бұрын
He walks back a lot of this in his first couple of sentences. There’s one thing of having a way of chemically interacting with its environment, and being sentient, which means something entirely different.
@tomtomy8702
@tomtomy8702 5 ай бұрын
Funny like the interviewer on many occasions is trying to dig deeper into the mechanism behind those senses and is never really heard. Great interview regardless, but it's like talking about new features of an iPhone and never really explaining in deep how is the hardware and software done behind them features
@thebrightsideok
@thebrightsideok 5 ай бұрын
Best video I have seen on this channel.
@michael-4k4000
@michael-4k4000 5 ай бұрын
What does Dr. Terrance Howard have to say on this subject?????
@Ekam-Sat
@Ekam-Sat 5 ай бұрын
Truth is One (Rig Veda). It is just that it is not good to be alone (Genesis 2:18). Hence: God('s purpose) is Love (1 John).
@anthonybrett
@anthonybrett 5 ай бұрын
Physarum can literally solve mazes and use historical prediction. They certainly fit William James definition of intelligence - delaying gratification to achieve a goal.
@simonkemeid
@simonkemeid 5 ай бұрын
But where is the plant's memory "stored"? Or does it need to be stored? And does that mean that a certain plant can predict, maybe the sun's patterns, the weather? In other words, for a plant, do these phenomena have meaning and value?
@mattpiper5278
@mattpiper5278 5 ай бұрын
Plants know, but they don’t know that they know. Big difference.
@qrious786
@qrious786 5 ай бұрын
How do you know?
@_Mach3
@_Mach3 4 ай бұрын
Nobody knows anything. We hypothesize lol
@Rosiedelaroux
@Rosiedelaroux 5 ай бұрын
Yes
@lisac.9393
@lisac.9393 4 ай бұрын
Super interesting!
@_Mach3
@_Mach3 4 ай бұрын
11:46 could that be that because when we listen to the music we like we feel good and the plants sense or smell that. Isn’t there a study with speaking to plants negatively and then another plan positivity and the ones that got the positive reinforcement did better? Not sure if that was a real experiment tho.
@shaikhraisuddin4878
@shaikhraisuddin4878 5 ай бұрын
The first question is, "What is Sentience?" The second question is, "How to detect sentience in anything?"
@ConceptCollection
@ConceptCollection 3 ай бұрын
*Consciousness* encompasses a wide range of mental states and processes, including awareness of oneself and the environment, perception, thoughts, emotions, and volitional control. *Sentience* is a specific aspect of consciousness. Sentience is the capacity to have subjective experiences, particularly feelings and sensations. This means being able to experience things like pleasure, pain, joy, fear, hunger, or thirst. It also implies some level of awareness of oneself and one's environment, although it's not only that. Sentience is a property or component of consciousness. It's possible to imagine scenarios where consciousness exists without sentience (non-sentient consciousness). For example, a hypothetical artificial intelligence might be able to process information, reason, and even communicate, but lack the ability to experience subjective feelings. If panpsychism is true, and consciousness exists in all things, even seemingly inanimate objects like rocks and atoms possess some form of rudimentary consciousness. However, this does not imply that they are sentient. They might possess a basic awareness or a fundamental "what-it's-like-ness" to be them, but they lack the complex neural structures and cognitive capacities necessary for subjective experience, emotions, or self-awareness. If everything is conscious, it doesn't mean that everything feels or experiences the world in the same way we do. While a rock might have some basic form of consciousness, it doesn't experience pain when kicked or joy when warmed by the sun. Its consciousness is likely so rudimentary that it's barely recognizable as such from our human perspective. In this panpsychist view, sentience emerges as a more specialized and complex form of consciousness, requiring specific biological or computational structures to enable subjective experience. Therefore, while panpsychism expands the realm of consciousness to include all entities, it doesn't necessarily equate everything with sentience. The vast majority of conscious entities in the universe might be non-sentient, possessing only a basic form of awareness without the capacity for feelings or subjective experiences. The paper "Limits to Sentience" argues that plants are not sentient due to the lack of a centralized nervous system. Sentience, defined as the capacity to have feelings, requires the ability to process and integrate sensory information, evaluate actions, and make decisions. These complex functions are typically associated with a centralized nervous system, which plants do not possess. While plants can respond to their environment through various mechanisms, these responses are localized and decentralized. Each plant cell or group of cells reacts independently to specific stimuli, without any central coordination or integration of information. This decentralized system allows plants to adapt and survive, but it does not provide the necessary foundation for sentience. The absence of a central nervous system in plants also means that they lack the capacity for subjective experiences, such as feelings of pain or pleasure. These subjective experiences are thought to require a centralized system to process and interpret sensory input, leading to the conscious awareness of emotions and sensations. Furthermore, the paper emphasizes that plant communication and information sharing do not necessarily equate to sentience. While plants can exchange chemical signals and electrical impulses, these mechanisms are fundamentally different from the complex neural networks found in animals. Therefore, based on the current scientific understanding of sentience and the evidence presented in the paper, there is no reason to believe that plants are sentient. The lack of a centralized nervous system and the decentralized nature of their responses indicate that they do not possess the necessary biological structures or cognitive abilities to experience feelings or sensations. It's crucial to consult experts who specialize in the study of consciousness to understand the nuances of sentience accurately. The explanatory gap in philosophy of mind highlights the challenge in bridging the understanding of physical processes in the brain with the subjective experience of consciousness. This gap emphasizes that a purely reductionist approach, focusing solely on the physical components, is insufficient to fully grasp the complexities of consciousness and sentience. The analogy of a computer program and its hardware further reinforces this point. Just as understanding a program's functionality requires more than examining its hardware, understanding sentience necessitates delving into the non-physical aspects of consciousness, like subjective experience and qualia. This is where the expertise of cognitive scientists, philosophers of mind, and neuroscientists becomes crucial. These professionals dedicate their careers to studying the intricacies of consciousness, developing theories, and conducting research to unravel its mysteries. They possess the knowledge and understanding to differentiate between mere biological responses and true sentience. Daniel Chamovitz, as a plant geneticist, is undoubtedly an expert in his field. However, his expertise lies in the biological mechanisms of plants, not the philosophical or neuroscientific underpinnings of consciousness. While his insights into plant behavior are valuable, they may not provide a complete picture when discussing sentience. To illustrate this further, consider this analogy: You wouldn't consult a cardiologist to treat a broken bone, would you? Similarly, relying solely on a plant geneticist's perspective on sentience might not provide the comprehensive understanding needed to address this complex topic. Therefore, it's imperative to engage with the peer-reviewed literature produced by experts in the relevant fields. This ensures that we are basing our understanding of sentience on rigorous research and informed perspectives, rather than relying on potentially incomplete or misleading interpretations.
@ConceptCollection
@ConceptCollection 3 ай бұрын
If I remember to remember my notification (I'm busy at the moment), I will come back here and directly and clearly (hopefully) explain my answer the question: _"How to detect sentience?,"_ which requires a multi-faceted approach. I do want to briefly point out that terms like "hear," "see," or "smell" when describing plant responses can be misleading, as these words typically imply conscious perception and subjective experience in humans and animals. While plants can detect and respond to stimuli like sound vibrations, light, and chemicals, their mechanisms are fundamentally different from the sensory systems of animals. Plants do not possess the neural structures necessary to process sensory information into qualia, the subjective "feeling" of an experience. They lack a central nervous system to integrate sensory input and generate conscious awareness. Therefore, it's important to use precise language when discussing plant perception. Instead of saying plants "hear," we can say they "detect vibrations" or "respond to acoustic stimuli." This avoids *misnomers* and *category mistakes* via anthropomorphizing plants and accurately reflects the scientific understanding of their sensory capabilities. I do want to make it clear that I do believe a plant geneticist can provide valuable insights into the biological mechanisms underlying plant responses to stimuli, which are relevant to understanding the limits of plant awareness and potential for consciousness. However, they might commit a lot of errors that cognitive scientists or philosophers of mind would typically avoid, as non-philosophers tend to repeat many of the tempting mistakes that have made in the past. They also tend to offer a more nuanced perspective on the topic.
@CoopAssembly
@CoopAssembly 5 ай бұрын
Can we pick up defenses from smells?
@blueeemom8338
@blueeemom8338 Ай бұрын
My vine keeps hugging my plants 😂😂 awww she keeps tangling herself on them
@lukose2007
@lukose2007 2 ай бұрын
Some plants do have a circadian rhythm, and it is possible they "use" Time . There is a plant called "touch me not" plant .
@mahesh125773
@mahesh125773 5 ай бұрын
too good topic is close to my heart.
@patientson
@patientson 5 ай бұрын
The entire world is memory itself. Only the gifted observe and develop.
@helisoma
@helisoma 5 ай бұрын
for hearing as requiring an evolutionary basis i would suggest the frequencies associated with approaching storms
@heliumcalcium396
@heliumcalcium396 3 ай бұрын
And how should the plant respond when a storm is coming?
@helisoma
@helisoma 3 ай бұрын
@@heliumcalcium396 with panic (they actually show this kind of response through changes in their immune system etc)
@ianwebb9859
@ianwebb9859 5 ай бұрын
I have heard that plants actually do have receptors for sound which are stimulated by bird noises in the morning and cause them to open their stomata
@ameralbadry6825
@ameralbadry6825 5 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏 This answers my question when I mentioned this in one of my comments about consciousness when a linguistic jerk popped up
@sebastianb-v2887
@sebastianb-v2887 5 ай бұрын
I now have greater appreciation for the show Between Two Ferns.
@howardrobinson4938
@howardrobinson4938 5 ай бұрын
Why does a plant bend toward the light? The guests answer, "Because it wants to employ photosynthesis..." Notice the language he uses, "it wants to". No, it doesn't WANT to. It just does. Along with all of the other things mentioned that it does to survive. This whole presentation by the guest was one big anthropomorphizing exercise. Now THAT was impressive.
@esorse
@esorse 4 ай бұрын
Mum swung for a thousand year living Spanish tree in Botanical Gardens Sydney beside the local art gallery, who could have the same rate of change as us after accounting for scale.
@kumar2ji
@kumar2ji 5 ай бұрын
Amazing
@helisoma
@helisoma 5 ай бұрын
the only reason we have a nervous system is speed...our cells need to communicate and respond on much faster time scales than plants, since we are mobile
@ThePeople314
@ThePeople314 5 ай бұрын
Interesting.
@chriscrumly
@chriscrumly 5 ай бұрын
Searching for souls and sentience in plants is clearly closer to dissonance than it is closer to truth.
@Ekam-Sat
@Ekam-Sat 5 ай бұрын
Truth is One (Rig Veda). It is just that it is not good to be alone (Genesis 2:18). God('s purpose) is Love (1 John).
@Jack-r2v9b
@Jack-r2v9b 5 ай бұрын
Should try ayahuasca or dmt made from root bark,they communicate on a level that will absolutely blow your mind
@Ekam-Sat
@Ekam-Sat 5 ай бұрын
@@Jack-r2v9b Everything is sentient indeed. Plants will be sad and whither when the owner is sad or stressed.
@MikeWiest
@MikeWiest 5 ай бұрын
This is the second one of these I’ve watched where the guest spent forever not answering the question. The only real answer was offhand at the end where he said he has no problem stepping on grass.
@tomtomy8702
@tomtomy8702 5 ай бұрын
exactly, mind you he had lots of interesting stuff though but it was never really an answer to the question
@NoeticEidetics
@NoeticEidetics 5 ай бұрын
There are many ways in which humans also merely “know” things. There are degrees and senses of knowing.
@dahawk8574
@dahawk8574 5 ай бұрын
13:44 - The most important aspect of this issue is relegated to the final seconds of this clip. He gives an answer, yet absolutely no explanation as to the reason *WHY* he has no reservations when stepping on plants.
@magicmjk09
@magicmjk09 5 ай бұрын
No doubt there are complexities and wonderful mechanisms in plant biology that are less known to us, but something that seems a bit incorrect to me is utilizing the terms like "know" and "see". It seems that Chamovitz concluded the existence of subjectivity in plants, purely based on behavioral observations. For instance, if a camera receives light, and based on that changes the aperture (or any other task for that matter), we usually don't use the verb "see" to describe it, as it is a solely mechanical and electrical (or chemical) process that is kind of automatic without the involvement of experience.
@lordganesha7084
@lordganesha7084 5 ай бұрын
Exactly. First of all they do not suffer. Plants lack nervous system, brain, or pain receptors. Sentience involves the capacity for subjective experiences, which plants lack due to the absence of the mentioned.
@MikeWiest
@MikeWiest 5 ай бұрын
Agree. On the other hand did you know the same volatile anesthetics that make us unconscious also stop motility in single-celled organisms and plants like Venus flytraps…!
@qrious786
@qrious786 5 ай бұрын
Did you watch the whole video? If they can communicate internally without a nervous system, have memory without brain and can feel touch without nerves or receptors the​n what's keeping them from feeling pain? @@lordganesha7084
@qrious786
@qrious786 5 ай бұрын
I have been observing plants at my home for many years and I feel they have some subjective experience no matter how minute and limited. Just like a human is behind a camera seeing through it, a plant has some sentience (life force) utilizing parts of it to achieve its life goals (surviving and reproducing).
@magicmjk09
@magicmjk09 5 ай бұрын
@@qrious786 It's fascinating to think about and probably have some truth in it. But it's an open debate since one can observe the behaviors of a system that are directed towards maximizing its survival chance, yet argue that all of it is just chemical, mechanical and electrical activities, completely knowable but void of any sentience. Like in single celled organisms as an example.
@OBGynKenobi
@OBGynKenobi 5 ай бұрын
The real question is what does "know" really mean.
@patientson
@patientson 5 ай бұрын
Daniel, you are now my friend. Say no more
@Graybeard_
@Graybeard_ 4 ай бұрын
6:38 Mr. Chamovitz really didn't want to answer how plants bend to the light. I think Mr. Kuhn was seeking understanding as to the processes involved with a plant physically moving in an arc of 40+ degrees over the course of a solar day. A plant doesn't have muscles or ligaments. Are individual cells expanding or contracting using water, hydraulics perhaps?
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@youbewb5581
@youbewb5581 5 ай бұрын
So mowing the lawn is mass-disfigurement?
@S3RAVA3LM
@S3RAVA3LM 5 ай бұрын
10:47 snot
@chrisstump9722
@chrisstump9722 4 ай бұрын
Why make nectar at all if there is no pollenater
@termsofusepolice
@termsofusepolice 4 ай бұрын
Now when someone calls me dumb as a potted plant I can take it as a compliment.
@quicksno
@quicksno 3 ай бұрын
Anecdotal, but I had a friend as a kid that did his science project on plants and music. 3 plants were exposed to 3 different types of music. The plant exposed to classical music grew the best. I really don't think my friend had a dog in that fight, and if he did it would have been towards punk as that was his style.
@Jacobk-g7r
@Jacobk-g7r 5 ай бұрын
The plants are more hearing than you understand. Look at the hairs all over, it’s not just like hairs on our arm, same as hairs in our ears. The signal is transferred once the vibration is felt. Hearing is just feeling, same with light, feeling the changes and measuring the distance and seeing the relative.
@peweegangloku6428
@peweegangloku6428 5 ай бұрын
Plants do not "know," they are programed to respond to signals as robots are. Plants are endowed with multiplicity of well engineered sensors. Plants are a link between inorganic matters and animal life.
@pedrova8058
@pedrova8058 5 ай бұрын
"program" implies an a priori purpose, as if it were part of an intelligent design. That's teleology, like the basic mechanicism that biologists proclaimed in the early last century, influenced by the idea of ​​divine creation (prior to evolution theory development)
@gregbrown5020
@gregbrown5020 4 ай бұрын
Yes, I'm aware of plants
@meesalikeu
@meesalikeu 5 ай бұрын
meh - in jr hs i did the classic vs rock experiment and the former grew twice as better. i took it to be a preference for the differing vibrations of the speakers, not really the music itself. whatever it was it was very real and yes i had a neutral plant that m’s growth was right in the middle. 🎉
@thesjkexperience
@thesjkexperience 5 ай бұрын
Plants also use the mycelium network to communicate.
@WA3TTS1
@WA3TTS1 5 ай бұрын
I am Groot !
@RogerioLupoArteCientifica
@RogerioLupoArteCientifica 5 ай бұрын
11:50 "music and plants have no evolutionary connection"... well, if you think about it, neither plants nor humans have. Why do we even have preference and attraction for harmony and tune? You can hypothesize a lot about "tune in the mother's voice" or whatever, but nothing can convince me that evolution brought us to having a preference for some harmonic transitions, some modulations and some tunes. Moreover, animals also would not have an evolutionary connection to music, but most musicians know how domesticated or wild animals can be deeply attracted to music, and stop to hear it. There's something else to music and musical taste that evolution seems unable to explain. I don't think everything needs to make evolutionary sense. Not everything evolves for a reason.
@realtalk5329
@realtalk5329 5 ай бұрын
Anything that can feel is conscious and has a soul
@saeiddavatolhagh9627
@saeiddavatolhagh9627 4 ай бұрын
By extension not just animals and plants but everything that exists must be sentient at some level.
@browngreen933
@browngreen933 5 ай бұрын
It suggests that intelligent consciousness might not need a nervous system either.
@anthonybrett
@anthonybrett 5 ай бұрын
Michael Levin has literally found evidence of this at the cellular level. He essentially posits and has good scientific evidence that suggests any entity made of cells is a hive intelligence, like an ant colony.
@profskmehta
@profskmehta 5 ай бұрын
Plants sense touch, sound, smell, and light. They have small amount of Emory. Can we conclude that plants have mind without brain?
@joshaustin9119
@joshaustin9119 5 ай бұрын
How do woodland people (all over the world) know which plants to use for medicine? Often the plants "speak" to them
@KH-rc1fn
@KH-rc1fn 5 ай бұрын
in many ways plants are more advanced than human or any other animals,they can produce their own food,we cant.thats a clear sign of more advancement in evolution. and i think memory is not only related to just brain cells,its related to all cells.
@johnc4957
@johnc4957 5 ай бұрын
Bro this plant man is the professor Oak of biologists.
@patientson
@patientson 5 ай бұрын
Light is strength. The sun is your life as a human being. Source apollos and the zeus. In Hades, there is a water source.
@koicaine1230
@koicaine1230 5 ай бұрын
Cats can hear plants screaming ❤
@limolnar
@limolnar 5 ай бұрын
Countless studies have shown they react to individual people in unique ways, they breathe, they know friend and family from foe, they know when people are around, they learn, have a memory, and have a life force. Their reactions are alien to us and they move much slower but it doesn't mean they're not sentient. They are.
@d.r.tweedstweeddale9038
@d.r.tweedstweeddale9038 5 ай бұрын
Get help immediately, you are completely off your nut! Post just 1 peer reviewed study that states ant such total nonsense!
@Naheenmather
@Naheenmather 5 ай бұрын
Indigenous peoples have known this for thousands of years.
@DJAK47u
@DJAK47u 4 ай бұрын
Phototrophism is interesting. When the sun hits the surface of a plant, it ammasses a quick growth and expansion hormone called auxin to the reverse side that is in the shade. When it acts, it makes the plant grow towards the light. This is also the same system it uses to find "up". If the plant is laid down horizontally, auxin percolates down with gravity growing the lower side of the stem faster than the side on top. This causes it to bend upwards and point up. To say it is conscious or sentient is indubitable. Yet very different from our own.
@boomerang0101
@boomerang0101 4 ай бұрын
I identify as a lucious green plant with a thin stem 🌱
@patientson
@patientson 5 ай бұрын
All creation MUST communicate. The Royals know this to be true. Trees 🌳 won't deceive you.
@valcurley5010
@valcurley5010 5 ай бұрын
Have you ever considered if plants see humans as “sentient” from their point of view? Maybe humans are not “sentient” enough to understand plants…
@Kritiker313
@Kritiker313 5 ай бұрын
From an evolutionary point of view, what does a venus fly trap want with a fly?
@NightBazaar
@NightBazaar 5 ай бұрын
So that's why kids don't want to eat vegetables.
@ritamsadhukhan772
@ritamsadhukhan772 5 ай бұрын
Actually Hindus including me consider plants like onion , garlic as nonveg only fruits and vegetables that ripe and fall is considered veg.
@VeganLinked
@VeganLinked 5 ай бұрын
Actually kids love eating plants when they are brought up eating plants. I've interviewed countless vegan parents and children. All tastes are acquired except for human breast milk.
@lordganesha7084
@lordganesha7084 5 ай бұрын
@@ritamsadhukhan772 based on what you consider it this way
@ritamsadhukhan772
@ritamsadhukhan772 5 ай бұрын
@@lordganesha7084 based on Vedas in Vedas the description of brahman is present in everything the brahman is everything and everything is brahman. Imagined as a drop of water from the infinite ocean , separated but one only and will fall back to it only.
@Ekam-Sat
@Ekam-Sat 5 ай бұрын
@@ritamsadhukhan772 Very true. Premasagara!!! We (Atman/Brahman) is simply different in life for love. But not everybody has the capacity to understand this. So respect to you Sir.
@onlyonewhyphy
@onlyonewhyphy 5 ай бұрын
Yes. Tell the Vegans!
@janyakov7655
@janyakov7655 5 ай бұрын
in this part is propagate teleologic principe.
@darkpatches
@darkpatches 5 ай бұрын
3:11 To this day, Paul McCartney and Ringo won't perform in the forest.
@Shinjitsu_84
@Shinjitsu_84 Ай бұрын
"What are the frequencies" that make plants bend? lol Its a chemical reaction man, cmon now.... where are these questions coming from lol?
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