Daniel Cormier & Ben Askren on Ilia Topuria MOVING UP to fight Charles Oliveira, Umar jacuzzi pic

[@tyronebiggumz69]

The fans wanna see a DC weight loss challenge

[@beaualoevv]

average mma guru subscriber. never felt a woman’s touch troll

[@tyresejones3535]

@@beaualoevvyou’d spend a night in a room with Jon jones willingly

[@matthewthompson7012]

Scale wins every time. 😂 #towelgate 😂

[@adityajoshi7295]

@@beaualoevv average quasi literate commenter

[@screamskilos3951]

​@@beaualoevv... i know ur ass not talkin..

[@Luis-ow9is]

Pantoja is a great example of what a champion should be. He has cleared his division and still wants to take fights at 125.

[@BodyByRich]

Boring... if the challengers are no name, no one cares. Why u think dj the most underrated and appreciated champ for what he did. No one cared about 125 pound men...

[@Luis-ow9is]

@ casuals don’t care. Pantoja wants to be the goat, doesn’t care about big name fights.

[@sandrovaro]

Ilia wants names not decisions machines like evloev!!! Good decision by ilia 155!!

[@allpraisewebb1142]

Everyone is different he doesn't have to follow or be what someone else is! Toporia wants the biggest names and toughest fights to put on his resume there is no other name at FW currently that will do ppv numbers

[@brandonmoyd2942]

But when Jon Jones do it in LHW y’all complain🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@westsidera97]

18:42 DC started denying it in broken english for his Dagestani brothers 😂😂

[@thefacelessquestion3333]

And then changed it to "you love your brothers"bla blah blah

[@edwardelric5491]

Yeah but dc is soooooo disappointing thinking because that kazakhstan fan took a picture with khabibs team that makes him a teammate is absolute nonsense As for the jacuzzi stuff was funny until you search up how many pictures there is of merab in jacuzzi as well lol.

[@Suppp34]

What’s actually impressive is guys running their division

[@dankrhino]

They don’t get it

[@Darkstarsovereign]

Aka Pantoja

[@DK_Sinta]

I always preferred dudes who cleaned their division instead of chasing double champ and fleeing from new contenders

[@Tahz-o4l]

whos Topuria?? I know Toporio or Aptoro or Toptoro

[@BraylonRush-lv8uf]

@@DK_SintaI mean he’s pretty much beating every contender in his division if anything he just wants better competition

[@THEE_EAGLE]

ILIA IS PLAYING BY HIS OWN RULES JUST LIKE CONNOR DID PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SEE HIM BEAT LOPES AND MOVSAR ARE JUST NOT SEEING THE VISION HE WANTS TO CREATE HIS OWN LEGACY FILLED WITH BIG NAMES NOT ONLY LEGITIMIZING HIMSELF AS A GOAT BUT WINNING CHAMPIONS

[@Hankald]

Who?

[@JayAllenification]

Then relinquish the belt. Simple

[@mdm9096]

Beating goats won’t make you a goat.. you need to build the legacy fighting old guys and avoiding young guys such as himself is not gonna make anyone Goat

[@Yolosopher27]

@@mdm9096 beating Oliviera and Islam (that's what he is aiming for) will make him goat. beating Evloev and Lopez or Volk for the second time, won't be nearly as impressive as beating Charles and Islam

[@joelinla5718]

correcto bro el tio quiere pelear con nombre grandes en ligero hay mas ex campeones que ganar legado legado

[@SuperChriz92]

Ilia said it’s to hard to make the cut for 145lb and he doesn’t want to do it anymore.

[@BigWorm541]

Did he really he's pretty small and he's young he what 27 28 it shouldn't be that hard

[@LockedIn-td6wf]

@@BigWorm541 He's not small at all he's massive for the weight class. He walks around at almost 180 pounds

[@blueflame7000]

​@LockedIn-td6wf fair but i look at max and its like... bro can do it. Respect if he doesnt want to tho, im sure it sucks ass

[@Guitarial_arts]

That’s 100% bullshit lol

[@aremedyfrosty]

He's too small for 155. Conor thought he'd move up and dominate too and he's only won one fight at 155.

[@markdavis8430]

25 minutes we need more 🤞 ✌️ DC and Ben Love this podcast

[@Abrarrrrrrrr]

DC defending the jacuzzi I love him bro 😂😂

[@EG-mw8kp]

I think for him is boring to fight Volk again like the Ufc wants to

[@adrian-um4yj]

It unfortunately is , and to the fans as well I would think a fight in Spain with a Spanish speaker (lopes) would intrigue him to stay a bit more tho. The UFC is kinda bonded to a promise to volk fighting for a title again.

[@buzzardscry1383]

Volk was compromised from the Islam fight and came back way too soon will he get knocked out again nobody knows. But this time he won't be compromised

[@adrian-um4yj]

@@buzzardscry1383 sadly his chin is forever compromised and it doesn’t help he’s past 35. What other outcome could possibly happen besides ilia knocking him out again ? Maybe it’ll be tko but still. That’s why the consensus would want him to Evloev for a #1 contender.

[@1Deep43VA]

No… hes afraid

[@1Deep43VA]

@@adrian-um4yjoh yeah, like you know the future

[@binhaldon5078]

I think he knows it's his only chance to fight Makhachev. At that press conference the other day, Islam said he would give Oliveira a title shot after beating Arman, then move to welterweight. Said he would not give Ilia a shot because he would get flack for fighting another featherweight. Then a few days later Ilia targets Oliveira. I don't see a problem since he said he would relinquish the belt. Oliveira and Islam are way tougher and more dangerous fights. If it's what he wants to do, it's his right to try.

[@edwardelric5491]

And Islam is the only money fight toporia can get right now, Islam is a huge star and tuporia wants to fight him before Islam move up to fight shavkat for the belt at 170.

[@binhaldon5078]

@edwardelric5491 Plus a Max rematch down the line if they both do well at LW (or if they both do bad)

[@Hustle-Man-ForLife]

I always enjoy watching you two doing the show together. Ben and Daniel together is the best combination. Do the show live.

[@godisgreat7179]

Ilia is the man, he wants to go for the best ones! Only respect!

[@lyndalolson3067]

You guys are great to listen to

[@jtsnow8440]

DC you’re a sports fan! Some basketball players are ABSOLUTELY waking up at 5AM and getting up shots. And you’re wrong on the football analogy. Cmon man!

[@kingRagnar616]

We need the next pod to be in a sauna 😂

[@karlmccullough287]

There’s winning a belt & then there’s ruling a division. The fighters that are remembered & leave a lasting legacy all dominated a division 💯 Money makes things different nowadays lads that’s all. I think we all know this? No 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@ristony113]

DJ ruled his division for six years with 11 title defenses, and fans still shitted on him back in the day. And now Pantoja just defended his belt the third time and he's still only ranked 9th P4P. There are many examples of short-living champs in the past, BJ Penn, Cejudo, Conor etc. At the end of the day it's who you fight and who you beat that matters more.

[@JesusBlab-bx1sw]

Are we gonna ignored people start calling GOAT (this is real!) to Pereira after winning the HWC when he was Koed in his first defense attempt?

[@brandonmoyd2942]

That’s why Jones the 🐐, Cleaned out LHW twice & still moved up & won HW belt + a title defense🐐

[@dammaguy1286]

@@DuamelXavier first of all lopes and movsar are not guys with low talent lol, secondly even if ilia beats charles and islam he would not become the goat, people nowadays throw this word around like its easy to achieve goat status.

[@dammaguy1286]

@@ristony113 no one puts cejudo, bj penn or conor above dj lol, for most people dj is the goat. pantoja has a better resume than bj penn and conor already. and you are only talking about the 125 division fans just don't care about that division. what about anderson silva who has many defences but no big names or a second belt, yet he is considered one of the goats, he is for sure above guys like cejudo and conor.

[@miquelcanosasanteularia1678]

4:30 illia struggles with the weight cut

[@sk77977]

DC you have some Fans in San Jose as well, would love to meet you

[@SergiVenteo]

I am from Spain and heard the interview. The main reason he gave is that he had to cut 16 kg for his last fight and he doesn't want to do it again due to health reasons. If he is willing to fight Oliveira and Islam, he isn't scared of anybody.

[@THEE_EAGLE]

Ben this isn’t wrestling as a wrestler myself you can’t think mma as a wrestler mindset ilia is growing the sport by doing this there is a reason wrestling is not expanding and bringing new eyes like mma there are no personality and excitement to a casual viewer aside from AJ Ferrari

[@svenfredriksson6142]

Loving the podcast guys! Great partnership and super interesting to hear your perspectives, and humour! I agree that fighters should defend their division belt before moving around. Could there be a contractual obligation for a number of fights before champions are permitted to move? In this case, I think it would be fair to vacate - Imho.

[@beniyashasama8327]

He walks around at almost 180 pounds out of session and preparation, he may not be tall but he has a strong and natural complexion. he could fight at 175lb if he wanted to. 145lb is torture for him.

[@brianraulston7250]

Hahagagaga 175. So dumb

[@BodyByIsaac]

DC whining that his opinion is right while Askren's is wrong is always so hilarious. 😂😂😂

[@CJH94]

10:15 I absolutely love DC but his WWE style opinion is what is ruining the sport we all love.

[@claytonjohn6473]

Ilia has every right to want to move up in weight. Hes gotta relinquish the belt.

[@Jemreaux]

No he doesn’t

[@claytonjohn6473]

@Jemreaux Technically he dont, if hes moving up, move up

[@claytonjohn6473]

@Jemreaux If Pereira somehow beat Jones for the title, and had all three belts. Would he be the best ever? Better than Francis?

[@JOHN-zl5kw]

Ilia said he is relinquishing the belt. He said max was his last fight. Volk for lopez for the belt.

[@claytonjohn6473]

@@JOHN-zl5kw Gotta take Lopez on that

[@jacquesbraz4801]

You guys should do this live in LA! it would be awesome!!!

[@tjnolan16]

12:54 Lucas lopes is my coach😂😂 and he pronounces his name like Ben said

[@Mella341]

Love you my brothers DC/Ben....And am a big fan of Khabib and his team,and "Jones the bones' ' ...am just the other corner of the Globe,thank you!🎉.

[@niconicoo5661]

Georgiaaaaan matador❤❤❤❤🇬🇪 lets go ilia get the light weight belt

[@elbarto8282]

I personally have more chances against Lopes than Lopes has against Ilia 💀💀💀💀

[@elbarto8282]

And I have barely any chance against Lopes 😂😂😂😂

[@baxeto]

DC is missing the point. Ben is saying that being able to "get up" for every fight regardless of the opponent is part of what makes a fighter great. I agree. I wish champions were required to clear out their division before moving up. Nobody wants to hold the belt anymore. They just wanna get it.

[@Talix.]

Starts at @1:37 for anyone who wants to slip the garbage ad right at the beginning 😂

[@khaledalnaser9967]

Yt revanced thank me later

[@Yahowah777]

Thanks was coming to comment this and happy to see it's already done

[@albrot123]

Ay bro i wanna support my boy DC and get him paid so i just let it play while doing other stuff

[@LOSTNFOUND223]

@@albrot123he gets paid more if we don’t skip the Ad? Didn’t know there was a metric to that, interesting. Learn something new everyday

[@jamesbenton4123]

Illia got his title shot after Volk ran through the division twice and went up in weight for a big fight twice.

[@beaualoevv]

ran thru the division twice lol. 3x hollow gay, yair, ortega,and Aldo at that time. that’s not the whole division 🤡

[@curtisbell9203]

DC is cooking with this take , it’s a sport but it’s also entertainment and people who spend money want to see BIG fights and BIG names!!

[@kimnorth7060]

Daniel is a real friend to the Dagestani guys

[@ericanderson2084]

The more we get to see these great fighters fight is awesome similar to Anderson going up to light heavy Olivera at 155 lopes vs Alex winner at 145 after I like it

[@mansoorp8355]

Please add time stamps in your videos. It will definitely increase your followers.

[@DouglasWeeberJr]

Why so short? DC we need an hour episode

[@allpraisewebb1142]

The man has a plan and goal and is sticking to it regardless of what anybody else thinks he should do and i respect it! He wants to be done by 30 if he can move up and put Olivera on his resume at 27 years old he's already then climbing into legendary status beating 3 future hall of famers in a row

[@jamiewalko8324]

These are my favorite episodes

[@isa_ibn_Muhammed]

2:33 the ghost club laugh

[@drazegod4481]

Mojahed is here 😂

[@sdfdsdfd1227]

Wrestling talk! Give us more!

[@HollywoodWestern]

Live show in LA! I’ll be there 😁

[@markrenteria4379]

I completely agree 100% with DC.

[@genovesator8454]

If this guy beats Volk, Max, Charles and Islam... 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@walkwithlenin3798]

Illia Tuporia is the best❤

[@LegendJoe3063]

Pisslam ducking ilia😂

[@Trestonnn13]

I'd love to see Ben at UFC events. You guys have the best chemistry in mma.

[@Jemreaux]

Great debate/pod - I see Ben’s point but ultimately I agree with DC.

[@daviddean2082]

Been askren is so good. Wish he was on KZbin giving his takes more

[@906AKORN]

the hot tub picture is so obviously photo shopped when you look at it closely. one guy had a arm that bent in the middle of his forearm and the other guy had a arm that was 4 foot long.

[@mag2xjab]

Sorry Cormier but I’m with Funky on this one. Fatigue? How can you not get up for Lopes and Movsar. Defeat those two and I think Topuria cements himself as the greatest featherweight. Move up after defeating those two, he’s only 27, it’ll be perfect timing. Then go after the lightweights.

[@Slyderx10]

He wants makachev and he knows if he wait one year makachev will up to 170 .. its now Olivera and then islam. Its perfect. Esloev and Lopes are nothing for topuria

[@tyresejones3535]

Ain’t nobody tryna watch them boring fights after he took out max and volk goofy ilia going for Charles and Islam is way more epic and challenging

[@genovesator8454]

​@@Slyderx10finally someone who gets it

[@joelinla5718]

bro ya destrozo esa división no queda nada bueno para el hay !!! ni el 0 del ruso ni ex campeones por ganar lopez no tiene nada !!! ligero suena muy bien grande nombres ex campeones por ganar ilia busca a islam bro disfrutemos de un bestia aver donde llega

[@Lawrence-jc5ru]

So fucking vacat the 145 belt and move up bro hogging the division now these up and commers arent getting a title fight cause this dude wanna go up ​@@Slyderx10

[@Jemreaux]

So much more money to be made at 155

[@John-s6u7c]

Ilia should take a fight soon , and if he wins , and Islam wins , let him move up to fight . Don't let him hold up hos division sitting doing nothing . He wasn't hurt in his last fight . Prove he deserves the chance to move up . We don't need these divisions being held up anymore it is nuts...

[@JOHN-zl5kw]

@John-s6u7c Ilia CLEARLY SAID HE WOULD VACATE THE BELT. HE SAID MAX WAS HIS LAST FEATHERWEIGHT FIGHT. HE WANTS ISLAM.

[@John-s6u7c]

@JOHN-zl5kw That's good for him then . He should vacate asap and open up the division . Then he can take his time and maybe get the winner of the fight between Islam and Arman or whoever they think he is worthy of fighting up there...

[@DaniLana89]

But the problem is, Islam don't want 145 ilia topuria, lose lose for islam if he beat another 145 you know what I mean like every islam hater, so that's good idea if ilia beat charles so nobody discredit islam if he beat topuria you know what I mean, so ilia vs charles is win win for ilia and islam if they both fight

[@Abadyvv]

18:00 😂😂😂😂😂😂 DC

[@havetrustissue8975]

I would like to see Umar vs Topuria if Umar beat Merab.

[@mindyourbuisness8104]

Champions constantly jumping divisions is a problem with building new people. They get to the loft and want to pull the ladder up with them when it took more popular people to fight them to get their opportunity. Dana needs to stop it

[@goldenfriedc]

illia vs iverson will be a banger

[@pigglywiggly5]

Do ur live show from LA

[@frankforke1272]

"In order to achieve greatness you need longevity." -Teddy Atlas

[@michaelottolini1434]

We like good guy bad guy. We liked DC & RC. We LOVE funky and the champ.

[@EG-mw8kp]

He wants to defend, but at lightweight. He's planning to be the champion there and defend there

[@tyhandley8870]

The disrespect to athletes in other sports is insane

[@ElijahAdams-vi2iw]

Illia wants Islam. He might have to chase him all the way to Welterweight.

[@taker201]

Islam vs Topuria at WW after topuria dominates LW and islam WW , biggest fight since khabib Connor and topuria last fight winner or loser

[@LegendJoe3063]

Dana won't let islam fight IN walterweight....ilia vs islam will fight in late 2025 mark my words.

[@latonk]

Merab punched him so he could get a suspension and avoid the fight next month 🤣. laughable

[@amarrados226]

defending belt twice a year is fine 3 times seems crazy basically going into another camp after just defending. and also constant weight cutting is different. maybe 3 times for heavyweights

[@overalfa]

The UFC should create new belts that can only be earned by champions who defend their titles. For example, a Platinum Belt for 3 defenses, a Diamond Belt for 5 defenses, and a Ruby Belt for 10 defenses. Fighters need motivation when they are already champions, and this would give them a carrot to fight for and brag about without needing to move between divisions.

[@scubasteve7638]

Htf hasn't Ben's cheap a$$ at least bought a better camera by now??

[@JC-km5xw]

cause he's a fighter not an instagram hoe

[@alfiashaikh9228]

19:01 when i saw that guy's picture with Umar , I could imagine Merab's face go red😂

[@rijandhital557]

Bro where did the good guy and the bad guy series go

[@TheDonGwalla]

I ain’t mad @ it. Rare occasion where I say let him do it. I think he beats every other featherweight I dont want to hear anybody say anything about Movsar 😂 Diego has the best chance I just don’t see it, that’s the only match up @ featherweight I care to see Ilia in.

[@jonathanlogan6206]

DC , I 💯 PERCENT UNDERSTAND ILLIA POSITION HE COMPLETELY DOMINATED 2 HALL OF FAMERS AT 145LB ILLIA HAS NO CHALLENG AT 145...

[@buzzardscry1383]

I mean he wasn't dominating Max until he knocked him out let's be honest. And while we're being honest volkanovski was compromised from the Islam fight. Meaning he was soft in the head in the fight so. He needs to at least rematch him.

[@sacube3989]

​@@buzzardscry1383cards were 3-0 lol if u dnt call that domination

[@buzzardscry1383]

@sacube3989 cool. If we trusted judges to everything. I don't think Max lost every round.

[@buzzardscry1383]

@sacube3989 did you even watch it? Because I don't base my judgment off the cards.

[@undisputedpictogramchamp5725]

​@@buzzardscry1383 He is a puncher. What do you expect. Its like expecting deontay wilder to put a clonic on fury. Bad example tho but you get it.

[@alex.shmalex]

That’s hillarious, Ben was making fun of the hot tab picture, DC recalled being in sauna with Ben and 30 other people, Ben tried to change the topic and DC didnt let him and Ben had to defend that there’s no picture of that, haha!

[@mayowaade879]

He pulled out a book. I think experience at that level is what you’re lacking, funk boy

[@jimorozco2680]

I seen that the reason guy grabbed merab was cus he was confronting him about thing he had said about shavkat. That guy knows shavkat too. And is from Kazakhstan also

[@mylesmurphy5716]

He always said he wanted to retire early man. he also said hed vacate the belt to move up. I'm pretty sure he just wants to retire early

[@jasonthompson1604]

DC - "brother, why you not invite me to hot tub"

[@WhiskyRookie]

Ben looking for excuses 😂😂😂😂

[@ShinyShinyIsAlwaysBeingSerious]

The live show is a great idea.

[@Suppp34]

9:17 agree with Askren it’s bullshit

[@Hustle-Man-ForLife]

Daniel do the show live so that we can comment live with super chats.

[@Jemreaux]

What’s impressive is a guy doing what he wants to do with his life and career because entitled fickle fans will complain regardless lmao

[@simonetate3158]

You guys didn't even talk about the fights.

[@Factstruth3569]

Movsar is the hardest match up for ilia in my opinion, undefeated vs undefeated ! Hope they fight before ilia moves up

[@activeunsub]

Clearly DC is an Ilia stan. DDP is in a similar position to Ilia, with one title defense but having finished the two best MW of the last decade. If it was DDP wanting to move up to face Jiri/Hill bc he can't stick around for Sean, Ciao, Imavov or part time Chimaev as they're not Izzy/Rob, DC wouldn't be making these arguments for him. Infact he has expressly argued for fighters or champs to stay in their div when DDP to 205 or against Alex was a talking point. Double standards, favouritism, hypocrisy, u name it. Ilia is free to do whatever he wants at LW, if he vacates the FW belt.

[@phyush355]

Ilia temporary, thanks voice text, is going down the Conor McGregor path of self-destruction. It starts call it out way too early and all falls apart

[@andresbavaresco6701]

Am so hyped for ilia going up weigh class and seeing him fight Islam 🫣

[@JosephInEgypt144]

I want to see him fight Arman and Islam

[@futureaugraphy]

I honestly wish the UFC operated on more of a tournament style system. The cherry picking takes away from the "sporting" aspect. What do we want the UFC to be? More spectacle or more sport? I want to see what works and who is the best of the best

[@ZacJackson-y2q]

4:05 this some bullsh!t ilia needs to either fight contenders or move up and drop the belt at 145, no other option with those sentiments.

[@artoriasdelabismo3623]

Illia said exactly that..

[@lawrencedaos3481]

BEN AN D.C. BOTH YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS . MOVING UP ILIA SERIOUSLY NOT WINNING ANY LIGHTWEIGHT MATCHES ANY TOP TEN LIGHTWEIGHT DEFINITELY WILL BEAT DA SHIT OUT OF ILIA .

[@HenryPatalau]

ILLIA has that champion mindset, and DC understands that, but Ben seems lost😅😅😅😅 Why will he fight the upcoming fights with no impressive performance. Illia is already on the top, and he's fighting to become a LEGEND. Is that too hard to understand?

[@BL1nk7]

I am fine with Topuria going up a weight class but if you want to be in the conversation of G.O.A.T. at least historically that is defending your title across generations of fighters, If you look at most of the people in that list/conversation they have long reigns of their title. If Ilia kept his current title and won lightweight then defended across both divisions that would be something new and add to that conversation for sure. DC has said about Jon Jones should give Aspinall a shot and making a name for himself because he is the new generation and when Jones was coming up he was that new generation that didn't have to be given that shot so which is it?

[@nasdoc1]

I think rematches are very important. Maximum 3 fights, more like best of 3. ILLia should definitely fight Volk again. There's no one else that comes even close to ILLia.

[@Adammshanderson]

Ben’s right. No real risk for Ilia moving up. Get some more title defenses.

[@HGB1532]

Look at DC proving Jon Jones stance when talking about Illia

[@KBWarrioR2018]

Manillia is smart. Hes out there playing chess

[@michaelleinbach6249]

Diego Lopes is friggin good. How can anyone think Ilia just smashes him? I get the name value is not as high as Charles Olivera. But fighting guys who were on top for 8 years and now are NOT? That is NOT proving you're the best. Its proving you beat guys who MAY be on the come down. But beating the up and comers is what makes legacy. I see the lack of desire to fight Lopes but do not sleep on Lopes or the fact that Ilia does not want to fight someone without name rec who is WAY bigger than he is. Lopes is gigantic for 145.

[@apg6290]

Here's what's gonna happen. Ilia-volk2 charles-max2 (for bmf) lopes-evloev2

[@alfiashaikh9228]

20:50 what is wrong with that picture? Don't friends get together and have fun? Something is definitely wrong with some people's mentality. Also back then they weren't so rich to have a bigger hot tub so ofcourse they'll share. That's what real friends do.

[@Jemreaux]

💯

[@tigercrush2253]

There’s a big tendency to conflate physical touch with sexuality. It’s so wild to me, especially among grapplers. If we can sit between each others legs and explain a move to a room full of sweaty dudes eager to try it on each other, we can probably casually lean against our friend and training partner without catching terminal gayness

[@sbtig9637]

Calm down,Hussain 😂

[@beaualoevv]

you go swimming in a lake or pool, not a 2 person jacuzzi with 6 people where 2 sit on top of each other. maybe you need to explain something to your parents …

[@rickytibbits5971]

Oezdemir copping some strays in this one 😂