They're Not All Good

[@l-4ranchhorsetraining610]

I wish I could hit the like button thousands of times! This video deserves millions of views and likes! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I try to explain green horses and beginners all the time, so glad you made this video! Once again, thank you.

[@alisonholtom160]

Just found you, via Josh Nichol, via Noelle. Love your work! Alison, 💚Aotearoa NZ ...

[@sherrysjohndeere1]

We've had horses for 20 yrs. finally a straight forward, common sense horse trainer!

[@wbasmith3627]

So neat to have found this informative and direct video. I've been around horses enough to know the wisdom you are so kind to take the time to post. So, so sad and puzzling why people think they can and should fix horses that should not be messed with. I guess they are thinking with their hearts. One other comment on here said "why would you want to risk getting hurt when there is so many horses out there that want to please and are safe" so very true and I hope there are a bunch more people who watch your message. Well done.

[@carlmeany8072]

When you talked about someone having a lot of dough, that can buy any horse, ending up buying a horse way beyond their abilities, it reminded me of someone I knew who did just that. This lady had been riding for about two years, did a couple of small local shows, then decided she wanted to do three day eventing. She then goes out and spends about fifty grand on a pretty darn good eventing horse. She calls me and says "This horse is supposed to be such a well trained horse, but this horse won't listen to me and does all sorts of stuff that I don't want him to do. I think I got ripped off." I simply told her that you're a green rider and for you, the problem with having a well trained horse is that you have a well trained horse. That horse is doing exactly what you're asking him to do. if you want the right answer, you have to ask the right question

[@NGHTRYDR2002]

It's funny that you mention the "Rode/owned horses as a kid, but 35 years later, I want to get back in a saddle" scenario... That was me... I wanted desperately to finally have horses again and found a 3 yr old Blue Roan QH Mare I was really interested in... (Rewind 18 months) But like a smart person, when I first decided to get back into the Equine scene, I started taking riding /horsemanship lessons with someone. Fast forward after a full year of lessoning every week like clockwork, I had progressed in ability and skill by leaps and bounds over my first day back in a saddle. My trainer had become someone I trusted and whose opinion I valued a great deal. Then... in comes this Blue Roan... and I really wanted her... Went to the farm and took a look at her. Shot some video of her on a lunge line and sent it to my trainer...Her response..."Hell NO! You have no business with a mostly green 3 yr old.!" And as a smart man, who trusts the expertise of his betters.. Well, I took her advice and passed on the mare. Still looking for my forever horse... It's out there somewhere... And when I find Him/Her... We will be perfectly matched... Thanks for the vid... It just reinforces the mindset of something I really knew all along, but sometimes forget...

[@silverdodger1]

Great video that all horse owners need to hear!

[@busby777]

I'm so glad and so lucky to have your advice!

[@pampam5177]

Mr Daniel Sir, you re a compassionate professional at what you do. You dont have to justify to those who claim to know better. People who has limited knowledge and experience uses unkind and crude words freely. They are cry babies who throws tantrums when disagreed. They simply lack the ability to analyse. Let these people make a video to prove their point. Please keep doing your good word and ignore negative and baseless accusations. Thank you.

[@anna.elise.m]

Gosh, I so wish I could go to a clinic taught by you! You sum up everything I believe in with horses. I love all of your videos please keep it up!

[@DanielDauphin]

Anna Mitchell I hope to see you at one someday.

[@silverkitty2503]

I totally agree about everything in this video. It's ok to admit as a rider that you have so much to learn. I need an experienced bombproof horse with a heart of gold. Also thanks for being honest about horses. Not many trainers are. They see it as admitting a lack in their skills. It's true though. It might be something the horse went through or something. And you are correct. KNOWING what will happen when the horse is at it's worst is important. I fell from a bolting greenish horse who hadn't been ridden in a year because first my riding school put me an inexperienced rider on a green horse and didn't test her fully to see how she truly was. It was really dangerous. You need to know what you are dealing with.

[@Cecilyeg]

Excellent!! Thank you!! There is no more dangerous horse than one who doesn't care if he/she hurts themselves.

[@jessicalynnmcdaniel5180]

This is all so true. I grew up riding hunter/jumpers and worked for a few eventing trainers as well. I have always admired the realistic views and straight forward training that the western disciplines seem to have more than the English. Almost all of the really good “problem solvers” I have met ride primarily western. Thanks for saying what no one else wants to say!

[@jlawler476]

Very well said - I appreciate your candor and willingness to say it straight. Keep up the great work!

[@epona9166]

This is a very important video -- the unfixable horse part, especially. Although I think there's a big difference between differences in horses' respective capabilities (the autism/aspergers example) and horses just being unfixable. To me, unfixable basically means dangerous -- whether the horse is vicious or just has a few screws loose (like the horse running into a wall). I have to say I'm familiar with Bill, Tom and Ray plus a lot of later/current clinicians and am not aware of any clinician claiming that their method will fix all horses. Of course it's common for trainers to point out that the horse is rarely "wrong" and the problem is usually the rider and I would agree with that. But that's a whole different thing, and assumes the horse isn't literally crazy! Anyway thanks for excellent video.

[@GingerS2012]

Very informative video Daniel and I ty for your laziness!!! I no longer have my special unicorn....and she was that to me....but I do have my young horse....as you know, I am now working with. You got me off to a great start with your colt starting clinic... and we have made great strides.....am now needing to refine some things. I have to constantly remind myself that it took Amber and me years to get where we got and each horse is different. And it is a two way street regarding trust. I had 100% trust in Amber after all those years and she did me. BB and I are working on building that in the saddle. We have it on the ground. But she is unsure of herself at times and so am I with her when we are exploring new ground in the saddle! I have also come to understand that what worked with Amber may not exactly work with this one, or it may have to be slightly adjusted to fit her personality in training if that makes sense. In some things she may be easier whereas in others, a bit more difficult. Thanks for the video! Hope to talk to you soon!

[@kayBTR]

I'm so thankful you said as all very small percentage of horses just aren't fixable. And when you said some people just aren't right, that really brought it home to me because I have known someone who has been dishonest his whole life. So why spend time and energy try to fix a horse when there are plenty of horses that want to please you?

[@ac12201]

Very informative, straight to the point. We need more trainers to talk like that.. Thank you...

[@tronevensen8172]

seen the presention multipe times and learn something new every time. I ride a mare that can never realy be trusted. I never let the reins go loos or fully relax . I guess she has this kind of personality of "never getting over the stage of testing limits". one single moment of unawearness, and she will buck me of.. thanks Daniel for putting words to my thoughts

[@bertsnyder8492]

Very well said! Thanks

[@leslieleslie5849]

Great content!

[@outlawfarms6961]

Great points. I have a mare who I rode 5 times no bucks bolts walk trot gait . A Out on trails.on the 5th ride. Then she got attacked by two pitbulls. Now she will let you tack her up but you can't step up on her. You can pack on her all day long. But not ride her. She is fine around my dogs as well but a little nervse around other dogs

[@johnwinson7176]

Your a good person

[@whitneynickerson8018]

Thank you for posting this! I think I have one of those “unfixable” horses. My husband bought her as a project horse knowing she bucks and wanted to work on it and make her his polo horse. I ended up riding her and taking her my trainer a lot and she would be perfect.... until something set her off and she would blow up. Trainer called her “counterfeit”. A friend of mine rode her thinking I was exaggerating her blow ups over nothing and the horse darn near killed her. A little part of me wants to believe she’s fixable but I don’t think she is. She’s now just an expensive lawn mower, haha!

[@epona9166]

Good for you, keeping her in a safe place to live out her days and not sending her to a rescue or trying to sell her.

[@kaystroh5266]

Great advice

[@kristimegli2373]

Thank you for covering a very difficult topic. I have always believed this. I was the lucky owner of such a horse. I did improve her but she never stopped trying to kill me. I always said it was her hobby. Just hope people realize that they may have to part with such a horse. It just isn't fun. and one should have fun with one's horse

[@epona9166]

Spot on when it comes to a well-trained horse coming down to a not-well-trained owner's level. That happen to me. My horse wasn't THAT well trained and I wasn't THAT clueless, but after a few years she certainly wasn't the horse I had purchased. Definitely less cooperative is the main thing. I have a long way to go still but I would handle her completely differently today.

[@kathyarch5449]

Who's Pete?? 😉 Thanks for this great video! Very helpful and informative.

[@jeanfish7]

My parents bought my brother a 25yr old OFTT QH. Ex- ranch horse. Bomb proof. Best investment ever. I just got lucky with my 5th old half Arab green mare.

[@diannadaniels-orcutt7166]

Lmfao I hadn't ridden in like 15 years guess who got 3 unhandled mustangs? Your girl right here learned sooo many hard, painful lessons. Inspite of myself they all turned out to be amazing horses. I learned some painful, quick life lessons.

[@astralhorses9559]

It took me five years to re-train a mare who was extremely flighty/hyper-sensitive. She's arguably my best riding-horse now (incredibly intelligent + responsive), but I don't think I'd ever purposefully seek out a horse like her again; I'm pretty sure the only thing that made it so I didn't outright die the first two years I had her was sheer luck.

[@Cashmere-or-Carhartt]

Hi Daniel and DH subscribers. I am in that class of folks that rode for years, quit and had a family, and now back in the horse business. I purchased a green'ish horse about 2 weeks ago. She went straight from the previous owner to a trainer for 60 days. Do I complete the training and then sell her while searching for an older horse to get back in the groove or wait and see how she turns out? I know this is such a broad question. I apologize. I don't expect the horse to do anything "special". I just want a horse to ride and enjoy. Any wisdom will be much appreciated.

[@DanielDauphin]

I’d wait and see and definitely keep the trainer involved and get their opinion on the match up.

[@Cashmere-or-Carhartt]

@@DanielDauphin Will do. Thank you sir.

[@susiebunt7781]

This reminds me of when I was younger doing play days, there was a couple who bought their kid a nice thoroughbred cross, but green. They hired me to work with him. I worked the horse one day. I called them to see when they wanted to meet up at our local arena to work with the horse and the girl. Come to find out they sold the horse and went out and bought her this pro barrel horse for ungodly amount of money. From then on every time we had play days she had a different horse, because she would wind them, beat on them and plainly ruin them. It was very sad to watch these horses go from confident pros to broken down life gone from their eyes.

[@ms3delle]

So true. As the one who went through unicorn stage )

[@leealexander3507]

My horse has gone from extremely reactive to extremely responsive, but it has taken a long time. He is very proud and not entirely domesticated but I totally trust him. Best horse I've ever had by far. He retains information forever so you have to get it right the first time. He will do nearly everything I ask of him and is very kind. He does still go off if someone leads him away and he can no longer see me. That needs fixed.

[@asportableskatesharpening4207]

Daniel, do calming supplements have any effect on unfix-able horses? Also, what about horses that are generally gentle but if you push them past their comfort zone, they will panic, can the "panic" ever be taken out of them? If you don't push them to panic, they are otherwise great..... Keep up the great videos!

[@DanielDauphin]

I have very little experience with calming supplements and that's not really an area that I personally want to explore. I want something I can count on, like behavior that are trained. A supplement is something that I might forget and be up a certain creek without a paddle. That being said, no. These horses that I am talking about are beyond help. They are simply wired wrong. I'm sure for some of those in the more gray areas, those supplements may well offer some promise. For most horses, the "panic" can absolutely be "taken out of them" that's what leadership, desensitizing, and training are all about. The unfixable ones really are the 1/10%.

[@hannaha4305]

Sadly most people don't do the necessary ground work to get them to the level they need to have the horse listen and trust them.

[@TheTeapotte]

I see my horse as a unicorn and I'm not under any illusions about it. I know he probably doesn't love me and tolerates me at best but he is the most adorable thing and I just want to squish him 😂 be is super well behaved and I'd say that's more to do with his very non-confrontational personality, the fact that he is super sensitive to pressure, smart about how he learns to release that pressure, and also that he associates me and my training with good things such as treats, praise and scratches. He is also very easily taught the wrong behaviours just because he is so sensitive and clever and he is always one step ahead of you. He's also a naughty little shit at times and I believe he knows exactly what he's doing when he misbehaves 😂😂😂

[@DanielDauphin]

Sounds like you're enjoying the hell out of him. Carry on!

[@TheTeapotte]

@@DanielDauphin absolutely! I've had 3 horses and by far he has been the best. You were talking about how some horses can be born just "not right". I had one of those before him and it's so nice having a fairly normal horse! 😂

[@FITHERTRAINING]

Amen

[@TheTeapotte]

The last horse I had was definitely one of the ones that couldn't be fixed.

[@BelindaTN]

Not right. sigh, what is the politically correct word anyway. Even disabled or handicap is not politicaly correct. Makes it so hard to play the word game that makes everyone happy, when we don't even know what all the acceptable words are.When you were describing the unicorn scenario, I could not help but think of us women romanticizing about our men. LOL we see them as nights in shining armor instead of unicorns. And that turns out to be a disaster too, for both parties. lol Point is, that it is important to see everything and everyone for what they are and not what we imagine them to be. Then everything will work out just fine. Good job, Daniel.

[@alisonholtom160]

Absolutely, miss matched combo, mostly nervous adult riders buying green horses ... recipe for disaster! 🤦‍♀️

[@francesca.lehtonen]

Un-fixable horses.......??? what!! But I thought there was no such thing as bad horses.. just bad riders. Has to be the most bs statement in the horsey world ever!

[@pamelachace3205]

Then you need to watch the movie BUCK to fully understand

[@margauxjones1485]

I once saw a truly "psychotic" horse. Dangerous beyond belief, she was put down after extensive work and tons of money. At the time, many years ago, I exercised TB racehorses and rode 3 day eventing. Mr Dauphin is spot on in this video, some can't be fixed.

[@epona9166]

@@pamelachace3205 I think Francesca Garrett was being sarcastic. Not questioning the fact that there are unfixable horses. But I agree the movie Buck is a good illustration of that.

[@DJBelbe]

Mahn i beg to disagree at that intro. Yeah sure, people generally misdjudge what an animal is feeling, but heck, they do that to other people! Horses are mammals, with a very large emotional brain, well, thats basically the main feature that seta mammals brains appary from other animals. So yeah, they dont have crocodile mood! They may have simpler emotions cos their reasoning brain is miniscule and needed for other more important stuff than overthinking why you forgot your marriage aniversary (men could be horses in that sense), but they do have very similar basic feelings to any mammal including us people. That said, yeaj, our horsies are our unicorns on the rainbow... well, you could blame parents of obnoxious kids of the same fault... its not a horse/owner issue, its just lack of proper insight on how to properly educate the said creature... 🤣

[@gerrycoleman7290]

Green on green = black and blue.

[@MmWagner1985]

Im going to say.. first of all I loved your mechanics on " a bit about spurs". Comment about: "they're not all good": Horses and humans can all seem "crazy" if you push certain buttons. For good reason, you tend to "attack" (lack of better words) green riders, children and women..."women". "Good" is a subjective description. I believe in the majority of your points. But I don't think they're are "unfixable horses"..... "not right" is offensive for humans... does not apply to horses in my opinion. Horses are either willing, not willing, and have a degree of intelligence, or lack of. "Dangerous"... Yes.. HORSES ARE DANGEROUS. Simply said. If you are a human and decide to ride a horse. Do not take it lightly. They have a mind of their own and are 10X you're weight.

[@gerrycoleman7290]

'Amazing creatures'..........yep. For them it is all about survival. They will do whatever it takes to survive. That includes learned helplessness. Think of the Amish horses.

[@gerrycoleman7290]

Unicorn stage..............because those people do not understand a horse. Do not know the horse's language (body language). Those are the people that get out of horses before the end of one year.

[@gerrycoleman7290]

11:12---NO. There are no problem horses. Only problem people. The horse is a reflection of the person handling it. The person does good, the horse does good. The person does bad, the horse does bad. A bad horse has never been born. They are made.

[@johnwinson7176]

Your a good person