RaceRoom’s New Graphics Look GOOD!

[@andicirk]

run dx9 set the borderless ; then restart ; run dxvk ...should be fixed

[@DDFRacer]

Lovely stuff mate, that did the trick! Thanks for the help 🧡

[@ThePape78]

@@DDFRacerand also in vr?

[@DDFRacer]

@@ThePape78 unfortunately not, dxvk isn't compatible with VR

[@CMH_2001]

Can anyone please explain what the DX start up thing in RR is?

[@debozebever]

And developed by one guy with a shader-hobby (and some support from the dude working on tires). This team is talented!

[@DDFRacer]

The RaceRoom dev team has always been super talented, it's the time and resources they've been lacking. As I don't really see that changing much moving forwards unfortunately, here's to hoping they can do some more of that reverse engineering of the code and keep the improvements coming.

[@deanothemanc5281]

Yep the work they've done between them is mighty impressive. Pity they carnt go and have a look at LeMans ultimate 😂!!!

[@RogueBeatsARG]

yeah they got PBR looking materials on dx9

[@JDFdoggo]

I had a feeling it was going to please me, and I was right. Can't seem to keep off racing now. Nice video Dan. Additionally, and hopefully it will sustain, the online servers that I use are getting good numbers even during European day times. Well done all the team at KW, megga effort

[@DDFRacer]

Fingers crossed for sustained increased player numbers here too 🤞 hoping to get back racing with AUSNZ over the next few months and do some classic Tuesday Thunders again, as well as their special one-off enduro events. Nick messaged me about the new SCB series too but unfortunately it's on a Sunday evening in the EU which is early AM Monday morning before work here in AU and it just wouldn't work out.

[@bsmarques]

That’s the best video about the graphics update I’ve seen, really nice job

[@DDFRacer]

Thanks mate 👍 appreciate the kind words! I was a bit late to the party in making a video and saw plenty of side by side comparisons already uploaded so thought I'd delve into the details a little more with this one.

[@bsmarques]

@@DDFRacer maybe late, but the quality really shows, I watched several side by side videos but none with all the changes so clearly visible, and with narration explaining the differences. That the “definitive” comparison for sure, thanks for that.

[@nickylindon]

⁠@@bsmarquescouldn’t agree more, so much more information and explanations than other videos out there. Just subscribed to the channel after watching this.

[@jkwes1]

Really helpful and informative video. I’ve found a massive improvement in VR - the new skybox has fixed the claustrophobic ‘closeness’ of the old sky. Along with the new lighting the VR experience is much closer to AMS2 (which arguably has the best VR in sim racing). Really looks good.

[@DDFRacer]

Cheers JK 😁 much appreciated mate! Completely agreed, VR has been transformed for me with the new visuals and improved performance. Can't wait to hit the track with AUSNZ again soon and get some more RaceRoom livestreams booked in.

[@GUN69_]

I saw some RR improvement videos and I was like "i don't see the difference". Many of those videos also used different cloud conditions for old vs new. Making if even harder. Your video nicely points out the subtle differences and now i can finally say - yes, i do see what is different and what has been improved

[@DDFRacer]

I made a point to record plenty of footage before the update dropped and then use exactly the same replay files again to record the new footage 😉 so what you're seeing is exactly like for like before/after. Shadows look massively different in some shots and it might seem like it's a different time of day but I can assure you it's the same 👍 although this meant that I couldn't use any of the new cloud settings in this video apart from the VR footage which didn't have a before/after comparison. Overcast looks super nice but the only shot of it I could sneak in was driving the Porsche Cup at Sepang unfortunately.

[@carlgray6764]

if anyone was qualified to comment on the new Raceroom update ... DDF is the man! personally for me if i run at 1440 with everything up ... i get a better image [no jaggy barriers etc] and it runs with vs on at 165fps ... only in the replays it rarely drops a few frames. i think the tweaks they have done with the existing engine are good ... and we probably would not know unless they reverted to the old build! kudos to the devs still pumping out such updates ... much appreciated .

[@DDFRacer]

You make a great point regarding people not knowing the differences unless they reverted to the old version, which is why I made sure to record plenty of footage before the update dropped 😉 that way I could use *exactly* the same replay files and do a direct before/after comparison to see what's changed. Things like the z fighting, motion blur artefacts and odd reflections are things which you don't see any more in the new update and wouldn't even realise you're missing (for example the motion blur psychedelic artefact I mentioned when changing cameras quickly). Things like this always reminds me of my sound engineering days back at uni. If you do a good job then nobody even knows you're there despite you doing all the work to make the band sound good. If you do a bad job then everyone's trash talking you because the mic is feeding back or you can't hear the singer enough etc 🤣 you can't win!

[@UncleNewy1]

I have just had my first go since the update this past hour.....they seam to have optimised for VR much better. My previous play was a few weeks back and OpenComposite had stopped working, and Steam VR was just a stuttery mess, but I've just tried it with SteamVR again, and it's great. I had a lot of the candy pretty high and sharpening works REALLY well and my VR framerate had no noticeable stutter (R5 5600x and RTX 3070), so a massive thumbs up from me!

[@DDFRacer]

Massive thumbs up from me too 👍 anything that makes VR look better *and* run better is a big win in my opinion.

[@marcusmiller8267]

I haven't driven Raceroom in a while, and I AM impressed with the updated graphics. But has anyone noticed how these cars drive now? I have driven all the racing sims including Assetto Corsa (probably the king of tire models). I drove Raceroom for hours yesterday with many types of race cars, from high to low downforce, tin tops, open wheel, you name it. I had a blast! I can't think of a racing sim that represents how I would expect a race car to behave better than Raceroom. I'm going to be doing a lot more Raceroom from now on.

[@abuelb]

It's been the best physics of all sims. AC is good but not good enough compared to R3E.

[@georgesummer536]

Assetto isn't king in physics department I would even say it's heavily outdated at this point since the competitors moved a bit forward in last year or two because for some reason modders can't improve that aspect of the engine when they did all the graphics and everything - Assetto tires works very bad especially on curbs but there are also other issues with them which is shame

[@DDFRacer]

They've been making some massive improvements over the last few years with a completely new physics and ffb system, also the tyre model is getting a lot of attention recently too. I'm a big fan 👍 and it's definitely not the same RaceRoom that I was using five years ago (for the better).

[@scbsimracingcommunity390]

Nice presentation of the update first streamer who has not made me want to go to sleep while they explained the differences

[@DDFRacer]

And I wasn't even wearing my green t-shirt either 😉 _(I would have done considering it's a big RaceRoom video, but it was in the wash. Maybe next time...)_

[@WrenchWenchRacing]

Didnt watch anyone else's video on this. Waited for yours :)

[@DDFRacer]

Awh thanks 🧡 sorry I kept you waiting a little while ha!

[@infn8loopmusic]

Great video DDF! OMG they did it! Best audio, great physics, now graphics too, and the pricing model is the most fair one available for a legit ranked / safety rated sim. They could give iRacing a run for it now. I sure hope they do!!!

[@DDFRacer]

Sadly I don't think anyone will ever give iRacing a run for it as it's so difficult to get those kind of player numbers anywhere else, especially considering RaceRoom has been a bit of a ghost town for a while now. It's one of those chicken/egg situations though as nobody wants to join an empty server...but how does a server become not empty if no one ever joins? I see so many people wishing that there were more people online to race with but if everyone who thought that just joined a session then it would probably have a bit of a snowball effect 😅

[@infn8loopmusic]

@@DDFRacer great point! Maybe someone has to DDOS iRacing for a couple weeks and see what happens. J/K J/K 🤣🤣

[@RalstigRacing]

Hopefully this means Raceroom will have more racers. It’s my favorite sim, but there are just never enough people racing. (In US)

[@DDFRacer]

RaceRoom has plenty of racers 😉 they're all just sat in the lobby looking at empty servers instead of joining. Somebody has to start the ball rolling somewhere so it doesn't look empty any more 👍 but I know what you mean, it's difficult to get things off the ground when the overall player base is pretty low to begin with.

[@seanpatterson5574]

It does indeed look better; way better for me actually. And, there were people in the ranked lobbies. Yippie! 🎶I'm so excited.🎶 Thanks for the video DDF.

[@DDFRacer]

Awesome stuff mate, happy to hear the servers are filling up a little bit! Hopefully it's not just a temporary thing because of the update and people stick around 🤞 with the improved graphics and also the recent updates to the tyre models and physics, RaceRoom is really the underrated option when it comes to sim racing.

[@BA-rh5hy]

R3E is so much fun... Im really happy with the advancements and improvements.

[@DDFRacer]

Same here 😎 I use RaceRoom to begin with so it's nice to get some free improvements to something I'm already enjoying anyway. Looking forward to seeing what they do next.

[@deanothemanc5281]

Best upgrade on any sim this year. Runs great, looks great, still sounds mega and the physics are good. Shows that you dont need mega software providing its optimised well. KW have done a great job, considering their a small studio. Its not even that expensive, you can usually get all the content when on sale for around 60 quid. Thats 100 plus cars and over 50 tracks!!

[@DDFRacer]

RaceRoom has a lot of great things going for it like you say, although you just reminded me that I completely forgot to mention anything about its superb audio in this video 😅 shame on me, no excuse as I'm an audio engineer too and it's one of the main reasons that I fell in love with this sim in the first place.

[@LucasJodokast]

Jumped on today for the first time, was quite impressed by the graphics & ffb, looking forward to jumping on again between AMS2 & AC

[@DDFRacer]

FFB has been a strong point since they overhauled it a couple of years ago and although the graphics aren't up to the same standards as AMS2 and AC, they're much better with this update 👍 and can be cranked up whilst still running smoothly too which is always nice.

[@user-cr7nb1hk7x]

Might have to start playing again once the dtm 24 pack comes. Great video ddf

[@DDFRacer]

Not sure on the release date of DTM 2024 but shouldn't be too far away going off the official RaceRoom Discord posts hopefully. The new Lambo looks nice 😍

[@1kWraps]

I feel that brodie shoutout. **jaws theme intensifies**

[@DDFRacer]

Ha yeah 🤣 it's been a while but that feeling still haunts me. Couldn't make yesterday's Tuesday Thunder but hopefully will be there for next week, if not then definitely the week after 👍

[@1kWraps]

@@DDFRacer will be grand to hand you back on!

[@shaun4298]

iRacing should hire these guys to fix their poor coding. Raceroom looks amazing and so detailed with very high fps.

[@amigoz3201]

Speaking nonsence man, yesterday installed after long time again R3e, lit bit better graphics and nothing special at all, still ffb kinda weird but not bad. After fired iracinga Laguna seca with pporsche cup, 8xmsaa high details looked amazing !!! Ofcourse not all track in iR looks very good, but R3E nothing special at all

[@MrEDET]

Have you even tried Iracing lately? Especially with the rain it looks fantastic. And Raceroom runs terrible in VR thanks to DX9.

[@DDFRacer]

Not sure I completely agree with you on that one, I'm getting some very nice visuals in iRacing (even in VR on decent settings)...although performance has been super hit and miss recently with some stutters and screen freezes, even with my new CPU upgrade. I think iRacing is definitely capable of pushing hardware further and the new Tempest weather system really shines through (rain looks fantastic, spray is terrifying in the best way possible 😂) with plenty of room to be developed even further in the future, whereas RaceRoom is definitely much closer to the potential limits of what can be done with the game engine. Still can't take anything away from the fact this latest RaceRoom update is a big improvement though 👍

[@MrEDET]

@@DDFRacer Yep I see a lot of stutter issues reported with the update released 3 months ago. Have you tried the season update released a couple of days ago already? Problem with Raceroom is that it run okayish on my system using Opencomposite, but when I switched to a G2 Reverb I couldn't use Opencomposite anymore, doesn't work with WMR in Raceroom and the performance was so poor even with graphics set to the lowest that I unfortunately had to stop playing Raceroom. I kept hoping they would upgrade from DX9 (which is a whopping 22 years old now..) but that would probably mean building a complete new graphics engine. Iracing is also old but they keep improving everything, are also working on a new graphics engine now. Raceroom has, besides this polish update, never really made any serious progress and that's a shame since I do love the game.

[@RacingWithChuck27]

@@DDFRacerIRacing’s building a new engine. Hopefully the crappy netcode will be better, physics, tires and ffb. Their online play where close to 24/7 you can find a race keeps them at the top. LMU is better overall just hope that continue and releases out of EA soon

[@RogueBeatsARG]

So impressive they got PBR like materials without changing the DX9 api

[@DDFRacer]

There's definitely some life left in the old RaceRoom game engine yet 😉 it'll be interesting to see what else they can extract out of it now they've got someone onboard who can make sense of it.

[@RogueBeatsARG]

@@DDFRacer NGL with the amount of Sims that offer the same as eachother in the market, they will need to do more than adding Rain into the game to make it stand out... A Career mode would not be bad, or maybe a way to unlock cars by winning races so you dont have to buy car packs in another sim

[@ihamptonii]

Thanks for making this video🎉. Very informative!!

[@DDFRacer]

No problem at all! Took a few extra days compared to everyone else but I wanted to make sure to get the proper comparison footage and analysis instead of just another rehash of the patch notes and official footage/screenshots 😉

[@DragonFlySlayer-wf6ne]

RaceRoom is my favorite sim

[@DragonFlySlayer-wf6ne]

I like the Marshall Amp settings!

[@DDFRacer]

Ha yeah, gotta turn it up to 11! 🤘

[@captainflatspot]

Awesome video mate 👍 Best video I've seen about the subject. Gonna jump in for a few laps now and give it a go

[@DDFRacer]

Thanks Captain 😍 high praise coming from you! Might be worth trying that Nissan at the Nordschleife again and seeing if you can beat your time from a few years ago 😉 I keep getting that video of yours popping up in my feed for some reason!

[@captainflatspot]

@@DDFRacer haha Yea that was fun 😅👍 I might just test that combo again. As so much have changed with raceroom and the equipment we used.

[@jimmy-the-bear]

Great video mate, covered it all without a Snyder cut run time 😊

[@DDFRacer]

It may not have had the Snyder run time, but it certainly had a guest appearance from Paul Dano...

[@CaptainCrunch99]

I found that with everything on Ultra, I measured about 15% less bottlenecking.

[@DDFRacer]

Yep that'll be the CPU optimisations they've done 👍 pretty good eh?

[@suninmoon4601]

Excellent production 👏

[@DDFRacer]

Much appreciated 😎 glad you enjoyed it!

[@bogy912]

Thanks Dan 🎉😊

[@DDFRacer]

A pleasure as always Bogy 😎

[@fredsas12]

The issue with DX 9 (along with 10 and 11) is under the hood, not graphically. This is a single threaded API, which means one's performance depends on clock speed. The higher the better. GTR 2 from 2006 runs on DX9 and has great time of day transitions.

[@DDFRacer]

RaceRoom has always been limited by the CPU performance unfortunately and single core speed has been king. Thankfully they've optimised it a bit with this update though 👍 although I never had the pleasure of playing GTR2 back in the day, I was more of an rFactor kind of guy.

[@sensasianone_battlestation2433]

Great video as always mate! DL now

[@DDFRacer]

Thanks for the kind words 😄 have fun with the new update

[@lincolnklayvr]

great video , it must've taken a while to edit

[@DDFRacer]

Thanks for the kind words 👍 much appreciated! The edit wasn't too difficult, just required a bit of forward thinking to make sure I had enough replay files and recorded footage from before the update dropped so I could do some direct comparisons 😉

[@DarkLordAzagthoth]

Nice video. I was afraid that after the update my 14 year old PC couldn't handle it anymore but instead I could crank up the graphics to medium (was on low or very low before). I sill have to try the high speed motion blurring.

[@DDFRacer]

It's great how they've been able to make these improvements but also increase performance too, normally there's a bit of a compromise. RaceRoom has already been great on older hardware so this update is a much welcome bonus for those who don't have the latest tech 👍

[@DavidGocky]

We might need RaceRoom 2 to have it on new DircetX and engine to really reach the potential of RR of course thats a lot of work but i feel like current RaceRoom is really at its limit and its going to slowly fade with new sims having the features of day/night cycle and so on.

[@DDFRacer]

Absolutely agreed mate 👍 I've been working on another Raceroom video recently also which talks about exactly this in more detail. Should be ready in a week or two hopefully.

[@EmesiS]

Thanks for the video. Wow....are you still using a Rift? I still have mine but things have gotten so much better since the Rift. Cheers!

[@DDFRacer]

I sure am 🤓 still going strong after nearly 8 years of heavy use. Every video or stream I've ever done is on that CV1 and I've been keeping an eye on upgrade options for years now but, honestly, I haven't found something that ticks all the boxes for me. Needs to be affordable and also use a direct connection, none of that battery / wireless / link nonsense and increased latency as I only ever use it for sim racing and don't need to be portable. The Quest 3 might be the most affordable/best value option but it's not direct wired and that's an instant pass, whereas the other headsets which connect via DisplayPort to the GPU are all super expensive and might also need sensors for SteamVR as my Oculus ones will be redundant. The PSVR2 is getting good reviews though now it's PC compatible and the Pimax Crystal Light coming out later this year also looks pretty good to be fair. I tried out a friend's Varjo Aero a few months ago and, whilst it was definitely a step up, I wasn't as blown away as I was expecting to be considering the insane cost of it so I'm pretty happy to keep using the CV1 until it decides it doesn't want to live any more 👍

[@heinrichderbauer2897]

Is that z fighting what you talk about the thing what i have in VR? The flickering is driving me nuts sometimes. Especially with shadows of fences and buildings. Only VR not on a normal screen. Thanks for your content. 👍🏼

[@DDFRacer]

If it's only happening in VR then it could potentially be an antialiasing issue or too much sharpening maybe? Also maybe a resolution issue? Normally the z fighting would be the same whether it's on a monitor or a VR headset as it's the same textures being displayed in the same manner, just on a different type of screen which shouldn't really affect it. It depends on whether the flickering is happening around the edges of things (definitely an antialiasing issue) or in the middle of them (more likely a resolution issue).

[@Despiser25]

Raceroom is better than I anticipated it would be in almost every way.

[@DDFRacer]

It's definitely an underdog and doesn't have the best public perception in the wider sim racing community either, but for those who've tried RaceRoom then it's easy to see why there's such a dedicated fan base that keeps on coming back. What was the part that surprised you the most?

[@Despiser25]

@@DDFRacer That its a DX9 game, lol.

[@andychicago8295]

Great upgrade! But my Pimyx Crystal is not longer working with RaceRoom since the upgrade.

[@DDFRacer]

Hmm strange, I'm not too familiar with how Pimax do things...does it run through Steam VR or does it have it's own software? Do you get any error messages coming up? Your best bet might be to check out the RaceRoom forums or Discord server to see if anyone else is having the same issue 👍

[@Kodi_Nikola]

Babe wake up daddy DDF uploaded.

[@DDFRacer]

Might have to change that to double daddy in December...

[@Kodi_Nikola]

@@DDFRacer I guess a pre-emptive congratulations is in order! Happy for you. 🙂

[@DDFRacer]

@@Kodi_Nikola thank you 😁 gonna have my hands full with two I imagine!

[@snowb0l]

Hi there, I cannot seemed to "enable" this new graphic settings. I just select the first option on the launch menu. Do I need to re-run something to make it work? Thx.

[@DDFRacer]

No need to enable or select anything, just make sure that RaceRoom is updated in Steam (it should tell you on the bottom downloads bar if any updates are pending) then just launch the game as you normally would 👍

[@feederunderground]

wonder what happened to driver swap, it was released with the first and the second adac experiences but i guess they disappeared once they removed the experiences by the one, unfortunately i'm one of the few people having less performances from this update, still a great update, and loving it...

[@DDFRacer]

To be honest, I had no idea driver swaps were ever a thing in RaceRoom back in the day 👀 was it letting an AI take control or was it actually a full driver swap with another human taking over from another computer? Regarding the performance, sorry to hear that mate, you're definitely in the minority though so I'd be double checking the graphics profile and settings _outside_ of RaceRoom to see if anything has been reset unexpectedly for some reason 👍 hope you get it sorted.

[@feederunderground]

@@DDFRacer no it was just a pit stop where you could hear door opening and another one stepping in, but it was just in, not even hands were moving it was selectable in the ui if to have a driver swap or not, and despite it was so simple it added immersion to the game as said it was only available on the adac experiences, and i guess it's gone with them how do i check the graphic profile anyway? i just assume that since i'm on linux this update might have had different reactions than on windows

[@atechcheck]

It is awesome what they did really :D Now only left is day and night and rain and that is it! I do like improvements they did BUT as always we must add something to the sauce otherwise we wouldn't be what we are LOL. So I created a ReShade preset that really corrects all those small things and also due to AE colors sometimes are weird and what you have said with AE it sometimes overbrightness the scene so that is also gone together with color balance. And overall it looks even more 3D now :) Also did anyone noticed that they changed Adaptive AI drivers now :D before I was kicking their asses and now it is opposite LOL not adaptive at all. Like grid of 99 AI drivers there is none slower or on par with me LOL they are all just simply in split 1-2 and I am Split 4-5 xD hope they fix this since it is no fun chasing rubber banding cars xD

[@DDFRacer]

The new lighting system gives me hope for potential night time, although I won't be holding my breath any time soon 😅 they're a small team with limited resources and I'm sure this wouldn't be a small task. Can't say I noticed the AI change though, but to be fair I haven't really used RaceRoom AI properly for a few years now.

[@atechcheck]

@@DDFRacer yeah they might be able to pull night and day without switching to DX11/12 actually but for proper rain etc they will need to upgrade and it will take some time. BUT I also do not like driving in rain so as it is, it is great improvement really and performance wise too especially compared to iR black hole for FPS and Visuals LOL

[@ianmatthews276]

if this is running on DX9, wouldn't it be plausible for someone to mod RTX Remix into the game? Just a thought...

[@DDFRacer]

That's effectively how the whole DXVK thing started, with someone from the community playing around with plugins and dll files 😉 and now it's officially supported! So yeah, who knows, could be interesting if someone who knows what they're doing looks into RTX more closely...

[@antonysnook4932]

I run Race 07 that is the game that Race Room is a spin of. It is still better than R Factor 2.

[@DDFRacer]

Don't get me started on rF2 😅 it's a bit of a sore topic ha!

[@antonysnook4932]

@@DDFRacer It was a pain in the ass to setup championship and i had to run it under old ui. could not do simple points tally. I had to make spreadsheet and record points from events with a pencil and work it into a digital version on PC. But Race 07 is simple to configure and setup like the games i ran in the 80's with better graphics.

[@GunvaldRacing]

0:53 How can I get the GFX and CPU overlay?

[@DDFRacer]

This was a custom overlay I designed in SimHub specifically for this video so unfortunately not something that's readily available anywhere, shouldn't take more than a few minutes to throw something together if you have SimHub though 👍

[@SimCurves]

Weird dxvk problem. Mine works perfectly in borderless windowed mode. Went from 90 to 130 fps on my, admittedly top end, system running triple 1440p.

[@DDFRacer]

Yeah it's an odd one, although I can see RaceRoom posted a thread on their official Discord server a few hours ago saying they were looking into it, particularly the borderless windowed/fullscreen behaviour. Let's see what they come up with and maybe there'll be some kind of hotfix in the next few weeks 🤞 still getting a massive boost in normal mode and VR though so happy days.

[@HorusRacingAV]

Racerrom Perfect!!!

[@DDFRacer]

I wouldn't quite say perfect 😅 but there's definitely a reason it's the sim I keep on coming back to year after year despite everything else I also showcase on the channel.

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

This is like PS2 to PS3 graphics IMO it still has bad graphics but this is a massive improvement

[@DDFRacer]

I mean, yeah, in the overall scheme of things it's still not up to the highest standards but for RaceRoom it's pretty massive like you say 😍 and especially in VR it's a lot better looking now simply because you can crank the settings and still get great performance unlike most other sims which struggle on higher settings in the headset.

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

@@DDFRacer yeah it's a big improvement!! I wish I was rich enough to afford the full version lol (cries in broke)

[@krakentortoise7531]

0:20 I'm pretty sure you have the option of either DirectX9 or Vulkan now (which is far superior) no?

[@DDFRacer]

I'm having trouble getting DXVK working in Borderless Windowed mode for some reason, it just crashes to the desktop every time I try and change the display settings over. That said, even running the standard DX9 version I'm getting massive performance gains, not to mention big gains in VR also, so I'm very happy with that 😁

[@krakentortoise7531]

@@DDFRacer Oh interesting. I'm running on Linux and I haven't had any issues with it. The addition of DXVK was a huge plus for me considering Vulkan is an open standard and the game looks very good, runs well too. Huge RaceRoom W!

[@karppai8355]

Vulkan gives massive performance boost, but the new built in dxvk startup option just crashes to desktop. I still need to use the old manual install of the d3d9.dll file but it works great.

[@ciprianmihai1268]

how do you get them?

[@DDFRacer]

It's a free update which should automatically download and install the next time you open Steam or try and launch Raceroom 👍

[@311superfly]

Yes exhaust flames too.

[@DDFRacer]

🔥

[@311superfly]

@@DDFRacer thank you for not laughing at my GPU and 30 fps. I have gtx 970 and gtx 1080 ti water cooled and all ran 61 fps. Before. I get more graphics settings with the more powerful the card is. The 29 fps with maxed 750 ti. 1332 mgz is awesome fun now. Next I try 970 and will post. Thanks.

[@MrBlingclean]

It's a pity they still can't update the dash in each car

[@DDFRacer]

Having talked with the dev team about this a few times, it's not because they don't want to but more because they actually can't do it unfortunately. RaceRoom is running on old tech and the actual game engine itself has been handed from one company to another over the years, to the point where the people currently working on it now are dealing with code they didn't create or have the ability to reverse engineer without breaking a lot of other things in the process. It's probably one of the main reasons why we don't have things like day/night, rain and so on, but that's just pure speculation from myself so don't take it as truth. They're a pretty small team with very limited resources and it'd effectively be like creating a whole new game engine from scratch 😬 so when you need to keep paying the bills then unfortunately things like custom dashes might be relatively low down on the to-do list I'm afraid. I do agree with you though, it would be nice to have!

[@311superfly]

Does it update automatically? I just played last night After updating Steam. Don't remember if it told me. It took 30 minutes to load RR!!. After over clocking my gtx 750 . RAN high 30's fps with settings maxed. More realistic to me than normal 60fps. with no graphics controls.IMHO. it got blurry during some violent moves. Like in real life.

[@DDFRacer]

Yeah it's a free update and should happen whenever someone starts steam the next time 👍 as far as I know it'll need to do it before you can launch the game. It's a fair few GB so might explain why it took so long for you 😉

[@penguin242]

Tried it, but was pretty disappointed though. Was also hoping the Spa-Francorchamps would be updated, but no, still the old track. It still can't compare to AC with Pure 2.0 LCS.

[@DDFRacer]

Agreed, although trying to compare anything to modded AC with those mods is asking for disappointment 🤣 it looks fantastic and probably one the most visually stunning sims out there now with the 2.0 Pure release that dropped last week. What we're comparing here is the before/after on RaceRoom itself which is a pretty big and very welcome, if long overdue, jump in quality. Without a brand new game engine then it's clear that RaceRoom can only be taken so far but I'm very happy that it looks better *and* runs better now too.

[@raw123yt]

Looks great, now if they would update the AI.

[@UncleNewy1]

Yes the AI was a bit stupid.....I was racing at Watkins Glen and kept quitting and restarting to test different graphics settings, and every restart ALL the AI spun at the first corner.

[@jamesleegte]

Some AI has been updated but it appears it’s only the popular newish cars. At Autodrom Most the 992 cup cars have awesome AI, then race the WTCR2019 at Most and they are an absolute joke. It’s basically a lottery which car class have great AI or terrible AI. Try WTCR2019 at Ningbo full no chicane, not one AI can get through T6 and the AI fastest lap is between 5.5 to 10 seconds slower than mine because sector 1 they can’t get through T6. It’s actually embarrassing. It’s been reported on their forum for months and they have only updated a handful of classes since the physics update in 2023.

[@DDFRacer]

As much as it pains me to agree, I do. A fair few years ago when I first tried RaceRoom and was won over, one of the main attractions was the superb AI and options for awesome offline racing (including the adaptive AI feature) which sadly seems to have gotten worse recently. I know they've released a lot of new cars since then and also updated the physics/tire model plenty of times too, so there's a lot of new variables in the mix which I would imagine takes a _lot_ of time to work through and test. Probably way too many combinations considering the small size of the dev team so unfortunately there'll be things that get missed. These days I hardly do any AI racing but if I had to pick my favourite then I'd actually say iRacing is the best, believe it or not. Many people rave about AMS2 but I actually find their AI to be some of the worst out there 😅 maybe not in terms of wheel to wheel racing once you get it dialled in, but as soon as the weather changes then forget about it. Track to track is different too, some will be much faster than others, and forget about any kind of sensible pit strategies or blue flags I'm afraid (as I'm painfully discovering with my AMS2 Racing Life career mode).

[@carltonsmall682]

My vr is tanking on fps, anyone got any good settings? Also can't get open xr to work I know that would help

[@DDFRacer]

There's a new 'VR optimised' graphics preset which could be a good place to start, although I've heard a few people say that auto exposure isn't too nice for fps in VR so definitely turn that off. Also anything other than 0x time progression has been known to affect performance too 👍 and shadows are always a good place to start to find more performance as well. It might be a little time consuming but worst case scenario would be to turn *everything* down to low and see how it runs, then turn one setting up to high at a time and see what kind of impact it has. I did that with EA WRC recently and found a few things to avoid and a few others that I could crank up for a big improvement with very little impact at all.

[@ondrejkratochvil4589]

bonus points for greenwood corvette at salzburgring 🎉

[@DDFRacer]

There was no way I was making a RaceRoom video and not getting that slidey beast in there somehow 🤣

[@frankzappa2274]

Don't turn up auto exposure. It's a frame rate killer in VR. It doesn't look better anyways. Leave at zero. If you don't believe me, just look at what it says that it does to performance in the description of the setting

[@DDFRacer]

Yeah I turned it off because I didn't like the effect in VR anyway but good to know it's also a nice performance boost too 👍

[@stickdeath1980]

New VR "coming soon" and nice sign :D no 69 though so 9/10 video lol

[@DDFRacer]

Yeah I'm loving the new sign from Print Racer 😍 needed to take some jaffa cakes off the shelf but a sacrifice I was willing to make.

[@piworower]

as long as it doesnt fuck up FPS too much then ok

[@DDFRacer]

There's actually a pretty decent FPS increase whether you're using DXVK, VR or even just the standard DX9 version. I'm noticing at the very minimum about a +25% increase, which is allowing me to turn a lot of settings up in VR and still get a smooth image in the headset.

[@reecereed8131]

Shame they didn't spend some of that time sorting out triple screen.

[@DDFRacer]

I don't have triples so don't have any experience personally (VR for life 😎) but I see an option in the RaceRoom settings for triple support. Is it just not very good?

[@reecereed8131]

@@DDFRacer Yer it's rubbish, Your just get all 3 screens showing on the center screen, Seems the odd person has got it to work, But there just lucky or something as most need to use NVIDIA surround or Eyefinity which can have it's own problems, I and most just use SRWE or Resize Raccoon for everything but RaceRoom is the only one they don't work with.

[@RogueBeatsARG]

dont your eyes do autoexposure on VR?

[@DDFRacer]

That's a very good point, I suppose they do 🤔 although I suppose this is more intended to reduce the differences between sessions on a cloudy morning and a sunny afternoon, for example.

[@RogueBeatsARG]

@@DDFRacer Makes sense! also i just thought youre not looking at real life, but a screen, going from full darkness to full brightness on a screen in front of your eyes could be pretty anoying and visually tiring

[@underSTATEDexcellence]

I keep giving RR a shot but every session I play the FFB on my Fanatec DD feels horrible. Idk what it is I’ve tried making adjustments in game and in Fanalab but I just can’t get it to feel natural. I play iRacing mainly but even Rennsport has a better out of the box feel. What am I missing in the game? I have to be missing a setting adjustment somewhere.

[@DDFRacer]

I'm running a Fanatec DD here too (CSL DD 8Nm to be specific) and think the FFB is really nice in RaceRoom so let's work this one out mate. First of all, check the Fanatec forum for the official settings post for RaceRoom. That made a big difference for me compared to the default settings for the wheel. Link here: forum.fanatec.com/discussion/657/raceroom-pc-fanatec-recommended-settings Then in-game there aren't too many settings to play with but here are mine: - 100% strength - 0% minimum force - 100% maximum force - 50% stationary friction - 10% engine vibrations - 30% bump amplification - 10% gearshift effects Also, don't forget to map some buttons on the FFB settings page in RaceRoom to show the in-car FFB meter and then also to be able to bump it up/down as needed when you drive. Each car is pretty close by default but in some cases you might need to adjust it so it stays in the green even when going through heavy load corners. If you're in the red and flat lining at the top of the FFB graph then you're clipping and losing detail, too low and you won't feel the smaller details which makes Raceroom really nice in my opinion. Hope this helps! 👍

[@underSTATEDexcellence]

@@DDFRacer We have the same wheel base so I’m gonna test this out. I heard RR had a better FFB feel then iRacing that’s why I wanted to get into it but my settings haven’t made a difference for me. I appreciate the feedback and mini tutorial.

[@2ndLastJedi]

DXVR crashes after the first splash screen for me.

[@DDFRacer]

I saw that RaceRoom posted a new thread on their Discord server earlier today specifically about looking into DXVK issues so hopefully there's some kind of hotfix or patch in the next few weeks 🤞

[@tubareman]

iRacing have to do this, iRacing is a good sim but the graphics not so much. I have to test RaceRoom. Dont do much in the sim any more bit this is intresting. Thanks!

[@DDFRacer]

I'm having mixed results with iRacing recently to be fair 🤔 graphics look good in my opinion and they've also made some big improvements over there (same as RaceRoom with this update) but performance in iRacing can be super hit and miss for me for some reason. Some tracks run smoothly whereas others (particularly that GT3 race I did at Navarra) are shocking, not to mention my first screen freeze in *years* at Misano a few weeks back.

[@ghastous]

strange how everyone keeps saying better performance but not for me mine is terrible now down from 90fps all the time to 60 and below on a 13700k and a 3080ti guess ya need a 4090 now for DX9 games lol

[@fridain]

Something must be wrongly set, I would advise to: update your gpu driver, set its options to “let application decide” and then start from a preset available in the game settings menu, for example start with high preset and test. Don’t enable auto exposure right away for your example as that can be heavy

[@ghastous]

@@fridain done all that and still runs like shite

[@DDFRacer]

Yeah something doesn't sound right there mate, I'm running an RTX 3080 10GB and Ryzen 5800x3D which is kind of in the same ballpark as your specs and I'm getting massive boosts even on max settings. Is this on a monitor or in VR? If it's in VR, double check that your supersampling settings haven't changed and you're running at a much higher resolution than before, the update may have reset some things without you realising. If it's on a monitor then double check what resolution/refresh rate you're using in the RaceRoom settings, it's possible that may have also reset to a lower refresh rate and is limiting your fps.

[@ghastous]

@@DDFRacerthis is in a triple screen setup

[@menacegtr]

@@ghastous Its gotta be something your end my friend, yes its easy for anyone to say there PC runs it fantastic but your does not. I am firmly on the side of it does run superb on maxed settings and i am not just saying that. I have a 3080ti, I9 12900K, 32gb mem and two 2tb ssd Samsung drives. Its on your end somewhere.

[@GregoryShtevensh]

32megs of ram might be a problem 😂

[@DDFRacer]

@@GregoryShtevensh wait, did I say megs? Ha you know I meant 🤣 but yeah, that's my fault for watching too many videos about Doom and Elite recently. Good spot though, you're the first one to mention it 👍

[@GregoryShtevensh]

@@DDFRacer haha all good. I actually love your demenour and personality in your videos. Thanks to you specifically, I know have some great pedal haptics! And went on to do a cheap uet full slip angle kit. I made a home made shaker for the seat, and purchased 4× 30 4ohm shakers for the corners of the rig. Same as before, bit by bit and using 2.1 or 2 channel amps. And adding sound outputs as I go with little USB sound cards. The result is incredible and it was under 200aud once all said and done. Id actually love to show you because I think it could make for some great content for your channel and a nice upgrade while you're at it. I ran 2.1 to back wheels and seat, and 2 channel to front wheel, with a 2 channel already running to the pedals. But a single 8 channel amp would he better if you can afford it

[@petezzzz]

Glad it's not some garbage "new" graphics engine. DX9 Forever! Fk rain. No one races in the rain and night time is for sleeping. R3E FTW!

[@DDFRacer]

Not sure I agree with you on that one 😉 but that's just me personally. I love rain, particularly races where it might change halfway through, really mixes the strategy up and requires some clever driving. Night time is pretty fun too, especially starting a race before sunset and seeing the lights come on gradually as it gets later and then descending into the darkness 😍

[@vincent.416]

Can I have a egg please?

[@DDFRacer]

Fried, poached, scrambled, hard boiled, soft boiled or picked?

[@vincent.416]

@@DDFRacer Yes.

[@marquezpradoluisjavier7754]

😸✌️

[@simracer1256]

Are you on glue?

[@DDFRacer]

Can I offer you a refreshing mint perhaps?

[@simracer1256]

@@DDFRacer no. That's sinister. Like Nutella.

[@DDFRacer]

@simracer1256 oh you've really gone and done it now 🤣

[@porthmeor1]

Sort out the buggy loading of lobbies and we may be able to play it!

[@DDFRacer]

It looks like the servers have been overloaded and down for a little maintenance since this update dropped 😅 too many people trying to play RaceRoom again thanks to the sudden interest because of the update! Might be worth trying it again now and seeing if it's any better 👍 but I definitely think that load times could be reduced in general to be fair...

[@l4gerardo]

Yeah it's all fine and all, but the servers are still empty, nobody is racing :(. uninstalling, again.

[@DDFRacer]

It's funny that, I've had maybe 10 different people in the comments here say exactly the same thing 😅 but if those people all decided to join a server and start the ball rolling then I'm sure it'll fill up quickly. Everyone saying multiplayer is empty but _someone_ has to be the first one in 😉

[@Splarkszter]

DXVK is for Linux and will not work very well on Windows. And yes, you will 100% get a performance boost when playing on Linux.

[@DDFRacer]

There are plenty of people who are getting big gains out of DXVK on Windows 👍

[@azzazz4549]

Why does my game look bad?

[@DDFRacer]

Where to start 😅 but knowing what kind of hardware you're using and what settings you're running would be kind of useful though.

[@azzazz4549]

@@DDFRacer ryzen 7950x3d, 7900 xtx gpu and 64gb ddr5 ram. All highest settings

[@DDFRacer]

Yeah that should be more than plenty to be fair 😬 are you getting decent framerates or is it stuttering and performing poorly? When you say it looks bad, does it look worse than in this video? And if so, how exactly does it look bad? Shame screenshots can't be posted or linked here otherwise I could see directly what you're referring to.

[@azzazz4549]

It's looks like I'm playing on low settings. That's the only way I can explain it

[@benjaminkreimel8651]

Still looks dull and outdated...and multiplayer is dead

[@DDFRacer]

Yeah, compared to other sims out there it still falls behind the highest standards, but compared to what RaceRoom looked like previously it's a big improvement 👍 which is great news for those who use it to begin with, especially considering the performance gains and big fps boosts. As for multiplayer, it's quite EU dependent so if you're outside that timezone then unfortunately it's not too great...but if everyone who ever looked at an empty server and said "RaceRoom is dead" actually just joined a server then it'd be full in no time 😉

[@mkatakm]

This is graphical improvement?

[@viunetwork5142]

looks better, better framerates - yes! even if it does not fit your standards. but you are free to make a better game. or just destroy your live yourself.

[@DDFRacer]

It certainly looks like an improvement to me 👍 but like I said in the video, I want to know what you think too. What makes it not better in your opinion?

[@DDFRacer]

@@viunetwork5142 let's keep it civil please mate 🧡

[@mkatakm]

@@DDFRacer color palette improvement yes, which looks like a big job to those who doesn't know how easy to manipulate it. But can change picture significantly. Graphical improvement is something else. There is little to no change in that regard judging by what I see in this video.

[@colddeath9797]

it is a joke, the game looks the same! money money money

[@DDFRacer]

It was a free update 🤡

[@colddeath9797]

@@DDFRacer I meant, this video is paid ad. Obviously, I didn't notice any changes after the update, I thought something wrong with my copy of the game but it is not. The changes are so minor. And u make a video excited like they switched to Unreal Engine. Fake emotions. But I really like raceroom and wish them to upgrade the game to modern standards and become succesful.

[@DDFRacer]

Ah okay my bad. Sorry for being too enthusiastic and genuinely appreciating the hard work the devs are putting in. You watch any of my other videos or streams and you'll see that's just who I am mate, not sure why you'd see that as fake but fair enough. I thought the changes were pretty big tbh but everyone's got their own eyes and is entitled to their own opinion, I respect that. Also, I wish I was getting paid for doing this 🤣 might make it worthwhile all the hours I put in then.

[@ibsr6524]

It's not a so significant update, when people with more refined eyes say that it's just a better filter, they are not wrong. The happening phenomena here is people are so used to the ugly old graphic which have never been updated and once they got something new they are happy. Some sort of Stockholm syndrome here...if it was AMS2,AC or an another sim had a graphic update like this they would be 'crucified'... Graphically wise the result is better than the old one , any result would be better anyway...but not even in the scope of 2010's standarts. It's just a bit more colored , more shiny, but more dark and dull than before. It's like the tweaking has not been made by a 3d graphic specialist otherwise there are basic rules that should have been respected in lighting and colorimetry. The issue with the sim racing community is the lowering of exigence after long period of desperation and sim studio exploit that. Fortunately we still have some studio that still raise the bar themselves without any community begging then Stockholm syndrome involvements.

[@AramisTetris]

Raceroom never was about graphics and never will be. Just as AMS2 never will be about physics. But as soon as they improve the graphics that it becomes acceptable the whole title becomes much better. Same story with AMS2. The physics is still not good, but they worked on it and it becomes acceptable and the game as a whole is pretty good thanks to that. BTW if someone likes a game and you don't doesent mean they have Stockholm syndrome :D

[@Xirpzy]

Imagine any other type of gamer being this miserable. 30%+ fps increase, better culling and mesh rendering, better shaders, blur, reflections and lighting, no more zfighting and sim racers still complain. Claiming its just a filter is just so wrong. Just the fps increase alone would have been praised if it was a shooter lol

[@DDFRacer]

Credit where credit's due though, to be fair. It's a decent upgrade for RaceRoom, not only in terms of visual quality, but in terms of performance too as it now runs on higher settings with more frames per second. That's pretty significant if you ask me and a welcome bonus for anyone who spends their hard earned free time driving in this sim. Agreed, it'll never look as good as modded AC, AMS2 or any of the other (also very enjoyable) sim racing titles made in the past 10 years on newer game engines, but Raceroom has a fantastic selection of cars/tracks, really nice physics and FFB etc. They're a small dev team and I think they do a good job with the very limited resources they have available to them considering the current software can only be taken so far. If they had a bigger budget and more staff then I don't doubt for a second they'd be coming up with a brand new game engine which runs on DX12 and has all the latest features, including all of the awesome features the existing one has. I mean, why wouldn't they? It'd certainly sell a lot of copies, that's for sure. Believe it or not, people (myself included) play RaceRoom because they enjoy it for themselves, not because someone has locked them in a basement and forced them to play it against their will to the point where they now _think_ they actually genuinely enjoy it...which sounds like an extreme thing for me to say but that's kind of what Stockholm Syndrome is after all 😅 right?

[@ibsr6524]

@@DDFRacer may be we need something like Dx11, GI, DLSS of FSR , real PBR track textures, Linear graphic, etc...marketing wise I don't think this kind of update will grow Raceroom and the team behind it. It's just a standardisation but not innovation. Today we will witness a peak of players but after few months most of people will forget that RRRE graphic was weak and then there was and update in sept 2024 ( still tagged as better filters btw )...people will take it as it is and other than saying that the graphic is still old, will still blame it for the other weak area. One of the big problem with Raceroom is the business model, it's a rental sim ( always online) with expensive content. With some technical issues like slow loading, outdated interface, many design issues like timer not showing once you go offtrack, etc

[@Username_Invalid]

@@ibsr6524 You just described iRacing with all those problems and people still love iRacing. AMS2 graphically looks pretty good but the physic are still bad in my opinion. It is just nice we have options and any sort of improvement to a game is appreciated. I do agree RaceRoom is in a tough spot with a old game that needs a complete revision one day. I hope they hire a team to take into the future with more modern game engine.