Endless Challenge is BAD for Super Mario Maker 2 And Here's Why

[@DannyBPlays]

I'm sad to see how right I was in this video, Endless is pointless :(

[@jayos]

they were hating on you but you were right 😭😭

[@rzxt]

As a viewer, I only recently heard they were turning off the mm servers. Everything you said is exactly how I feel. ☹️

[@RetroCheats]

You assume there will be a skip in the first place. Update: It's bad for easy & normal mode? we need to know if it gets harder over time

[@Strange_System]

true, true

[@DannyBPlays]

you're right, there may not be, but only 1 of my points included the possibility of skipping

[@menacing_name]

I think there should be limited skips and you can also earn extra skips throughout the run (idk how these would be earned, maybe every certain amount of coins or every time you collect the max amount of lives from a level?). This way not only the regular player can have fun, but it would prevent a good player from coming across a stupid level (like one entirely based out of luck, similar to that Magikoopa luck level that recently popped up) and just ending their run, while also preventing any leaderboard scams with skips. At the very least, it could keep track of how many skips a person used in their run and display this information, perhaps even letting you filter out the people who used x amount of skips or more

[@ootay4473]

@@menacing_name Probably we skip levels with 1-Ups.

[@Vessekx]

Don’t skips cost lives in the 100-Mario Challenge?

[@TeamNolex]

They really should add the original 100 Mario Challenge as well as the endless mode. It would only be a fun addition.

[@Strange_System]

yes I agree, the endless mode sounds good and actually really fun, but you do also need 100 mario challenge.

[@DannyBPlays]

yeah it can't hurt to have both

[@Diamondking599]

Yeah!

[@astrumcosmia]

Team Nolex I agree, but Nintendo should take care of making levels not cheap and troll. Mostly Expert challenge.

[@CC.R0Y]

Why wouldn't they have 100 mario?

[@perynal]

With 100-mario challenge, only 2 things can happen: you finish it or you don't. While with endless challenge, you can ALWAYS do better. I think beating your record is more satisfying than finishing 100-mario challenge

[@unknownmystery4579]

Agreed

[@dashiefiles]

Yeah that’s the whole point it makes sense why Nintendo made this decision

[@DannyBPlays]

But if you get some crazy high record because of a long streak of good or easy levels, there's almost no way you'd ever get CLOSE to that. Some players take 90 lives to win SE and other times they take 10 lives. It's all based on getting lucky and not awful levels

[@perynal]

@@DannyBPlays Agreed, but we can't say this feature is bad since we don't know everything about it. We'll see when the game comes out.

[@Alexey3596]

@@DannyBPlays oh no, are you too bad to beat a record? - don't cry please -.- We don't know every detail of the game yet, so it is stupid to say that something is bad or not....

[@UniversalSketch]

Or you know just make skipping not allowed/cost a life

[@luckydudex3765]

I don't blame people for skipping though, some level designs are horrible

[@UniversalSketch]

@@luckydudex3765 that's where the boo button should come into play

[@massiveidiot77]

And than you get some obscurely difficult stage only a handful of people on Earth can beat

[@luckydudex3765]

@@UniversalSketch Yes, but by no means am I forced to play some levels designed so bad that it takes 100 attempts to complete. I don't enjoy the game like that. I'm up for a challenge but this is absurd

[@Packiechu]

Or reset the streak back to 0.

[@strangeanimations2518]

I totally agree, they should add both kind of challanges

[@DannyBPlays]

exactly, right?? the best of both worlds

[@Orion-tb7ri]

I think you've been watching it the wrong way. You're comparing the endless challenge with 100mario. It won't be the same. it won't have the same hype as 100mario, but it'll have other great things to offer. I also think that you will get a limit to skipping and that you'll get more global points the lower the % (clear rate) of the stage.

[@DannyBPlays]

honestly, I just don't feel like watching Ryu, Aurateur, and Beast have videos that are 2 hours long because they got to level 15 or whatever.

[@muiltinormal8329]

DannyB Plays I however would happily watch an Aurateur video that is 10 years long because he's not gonna lose at it.

[@Orion-tb7ri]

They'll manage somehow. I'm guessing nintendo will also add a save button. Ryu and the others will find a way for us viewers to watch without it being tedious :)

[@SuperiorPosterior]

I look at Endless Mario like CoD Zombies. Wave after wave/level after level. And each time playing is different, even though all the same objects are in use. Heck, Endless Mario will be better imo because you're not stuck on a single map, like in most "survive as long as possible" games.

[@jixaw9383]

Orion12 93 It’s simply a matter of what makes a game fun and what makes you want to come back to play it. Satisfying finishes will always be preferred

[@DannyBPlays]

I am loving ALL of the comments! Even those that disagree because it creates a dialogue. This video is strictly based on the tiny bit that we know and my own opinion so I welcome anyone to comment who disagrees. Just to be extra clear, I like this Endless mode a lot, I just don't like if this is the ONLY mode. I also didn't intend for reason #1 to be about peach or the story, nobody really cares about Peach. it's more about having a "final level" that I was trying to get at

[@swreetak432]

RIP Peach - None cares about you.

[@octowave6791]

I think your points are irrelevant

[@duncetheman]

No one gives a shit about a final level. Your points are stupid.

[@jonasp.1830]

@@duncetheman Instead of just calling peoples arguments stupid, why dont you give a intelligent response? Here is why i dont really agree with the points made in the video: 1 Breaking with the finite level course is not necessarily a bad thing. 2 Clutch moments are still a thing when people barely survive on 1-3 lives always close to a game over. 3 We dont know how a Skip is handled, it could very well be that a skip makes it so you cant get on a leader board or you lose a set number of lives. Have a nice day everyone Bey!

[@benhuang2773]

"Just to be extra clear, I like this Endless mode a lot, I just don't like if this is the ONLY mode" Then you should have specified in the title "Not having 100 Mario is BAD for MM2." This video is clickbait.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Couldn't we just have both? They both have strong point. And now I want to watch Rambo again. Thanks for that.

[@owenlu3658]

Lol

[@MegaKBang]

I want a 10 hour version of rambo shooting bad guys or an endless stream. Was kinda relaxing to see that

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Should be one somewhere. KZbin is full of weird stuff like that.

[@woahblow4127]

Ya if Nintendo weren't assholes

[@1UpLevelUp]

You make some valid points. I agree with you, it should be an extra mode but not the only one. Great video dude!

[@DannyBPlays]

Thanks man, you're too kind!

[@redpikdman]

Wdym by “extra mode” we got story mode??

[@1UpLevelUp]

He was applying to the fact of endless mode is the only mode instead of it being added on too if 100 mario challenge.

[@shadycnetwork]

While I agree the new mode should be in addition to the hundred Mario challenges I don't think it should be the only one. But what I don't understand, people are complaining before the game is even released. Let the game come out, see how you feel about it and then complain if need be.

[@KainYusanagi]

Complaining NOW might get changes made while the game still isn't released yet, when it's easier for them to do.

[@alphega1983]

it's possible you're global rank will decrease every time you skip a level

[@starpetalarts6668]

If you watch Rambo backwards, its about a guy with a giant magnet who removes shrapnel to save his friends and eventually he celebrates by going to war.

[@joops110]

I watched that movie 100x without skips. I'm super expert now. *"They drew first blood, not me. "*

[@daytimegaming3122]

If I had to guess the endless Mario challenge won't let you skip levels, or you could skip a level in exchange for one of your lives.

[@ilexontrooper9688]

With the very limited amount of lives Mario had in the direct skipping could be the difference between a successful and failed level

[@powerofthec5908]

1st One l Think is invalid, just because it's not supposed To imitate Classic Mario(that's the point of Story mode). 2nd I think that you won't be able To skip, due to the "Boo" button functioning as Quality Control.

[@danielcolon9832]

So, who’s gonna tell him about skipping?

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

You’re assuming that there is a skip function.

[@jocurileluidavid5478]

And he's assuming if you skip a level you still get a ranking lol

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

Jocurile lui David All we know for sure is that it is unlimited levels until all lives are lost. If skips are allowed, then there must be a counter, otherwise there is nothing to stop the player from continuously skipping.

[@jocurileluidavid5478]

Whole Food Plant-Based Man yeah,maybe if there is a skip funtion they just don't rank your score if you skip

[@yorkymarrow1677]

How about 'Will they beat the global rank?' Checkmate

[@DannyBPlays]

Dagnabbit you got me!

[@DannyBPlays]

though, to be fair, the answer to your new question will nearly always be "hellll no". If the global rank #1 is 25 levels and you see a youtube video that's 20 minutes, you already know the answer

[@yorkymarrow1677]

OK then how about 'will they go up a rank?'. This means if they a number 7 and they go up to number 3 you got your answer: yes.

[@djpob]

@@yorkymarrow1677 the higher the rank gets, the longer it'll take to beat it. It's diminishing returns

[@red4luigi]

If there is a skip, I think you wouldn't be aloud to get onto the leaderboard if you skipped.

[@joops110]

I think you mean allowed.

[@picketf]

well they could tweak the difficulty setting to better match the difficulty... as of now it's not very likely that a unstarred unplayed level immediately makes it into 100 man. My guess is that downvoted levels will be out of endless pretty soon probably even more so if the downvote came from a player that finished many levels before and uses downvote somewhat sparingly.

[@AlphonseSantoro]

Have you played zombies? Thats endless mode and the thrill is in how far you can get. You totally missed the point

[@TheItalianoAssassino]

Zombies is very different. Same starting situation, you can adapt your strategy etc.

[@NintendoThumb]

Yes, I wanted to enjoy this, but, I can't play it anymore. It just doesn't end, the coins and extra lives are just too prevalent in anything but Super Expert.

[@DannyBPlays]

yep exactly, it's sad

[@KyrosQuickfist]

Here are a few counter-points (We will know more when they release more information) 1. To be fair, almost every player doing these 100 mario no skips did it in a streak format and/or kept track of total wins/losses. And this is the format the new system has. 2. It's entirely possible for ALL levels to be unskippable in this mode or have skips cost a life (which would actually make using them strategic and good). 3. It's also possible for there to be a completion milestone or break every so many levels, kinda like a bonus cutscene and maybe refilling to 5 lives if you are under 5 lives... 4. Having this information tracked on the leaderboards does make it a bit more competitive than the grindy "number of completions". But you do have a point about those clutch super hype 1 life finishes...maybe there will be several mini-hype clutch 1 life level clears which continue the run further.

[@DannyBPlays]

Thanks for your long comment! Here re my replies: 1) You're right but their streaks were based on every 6 levels, so it was always possible to win a fresh 100man starting from level 1, so it's just a different setup since you keep your levels after level 6 and keep going 2). hopefully 3) that would be really cool 4) yeah it gives legitimacy to those great players, but there are tons of amazing players that don't even stream or are in japan that we don't even know so the top 30 could be people we've never heard of

[@yourgoodfriend276]

1st point: It's bad because from the beginning mario has always had a final level, it creates a sense of achievement Counterpoint: First off, Mario's first two games did not have a final level, Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. They were arcade games. In this same vein, I feel that the achievement in arcade style gameplay is the leaderboard placement, not the end when you die. It's rather... shortsighted to cast aside so many great gamers' achievements as null simply because there was no "ending" in this context. There is most certainly a sense of accomplishment found in endless game modes. 2nd point: Because anyone can skip hard levels, the leaderboard will be topped by players who skip until they get easy levels, not actual good players. Counterpoint: this is on the assumption of several mechanics that have not been confirmed, and is moot until we know for sure A) How leaderboards work, B) If skipping has the same impact, and C) if there are skips at all 3rd point: It's not about when you win, but when you lose Counterpoint: again, you seem to gloss over the fact that arcade style games, either literal or more modern, have an incredible competitive following. About a decade ago, before every shooter needed a Battle Royale mode, every shooter needed a Horde mode, an endless arcade. Call of Duty in particular. Even Smash Brothers, one of, if not the, most popular game on the Switch has an endless mode. Some games still uphold endless modes today as evidenced by this. The arcade was dominated by games that did not have an end, even ones that Mario himself was in. Games of old had endless options as evidenced by this. It's not some awful concept, it's incredibly popular. Those "Magical one life finishes" will be replaced by those record breaking moments, those close calls that could end amazing runs too soon, loads of possibility for entertainment. The runs end with a game over, but there's more a sense of triumph when that game over was hours after the average Overall, I feel you are focused too much on that something enjoyable is changing, and I can understand that, but you are also not thinking of new potential in the changes. This can be a good thing, and it's real silly to make a video like this criticizing it when we have so little info on how players will interact with it, especially considering you started by noting that you know almost nothing about it.

[@QueenFondue]

Thing is, unlike with a regular Mario game, there isn't a finite set of levels. There is no way for one person to "complete" Mario Maker. A single 100-Mario Challenge isn't your full experience of the game the same way it would be in, say Super Mario World. Instead, it becomes a quest for self-improvement, and Endless Challenge facilitates that much more easily than 100 Mario Challenge by giving you something to challenge yourself with built in, rather than just having to make up challenges.

[@joshuaham1022]

I think the satisfaction from endless mode is breaking your highscore

[@RellekEarth]

I completely agree. Not having a clear ending makes this a no go for me. I hate watching those videos of players doing no skip runs and losing. Not because they lost, but because it did not provide a satisfying ending in mario style. I am trying to prepare myself for a future of only that...

[@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235]

Also I think you will have a limited number of skips.

[@Strange_System]

smart

[@dsnirljim]

Or you don't get into the leader board if you skip

[@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235]

Yeah I agree with both of you.

[@BananaWasTaken]

They should also add an endless uncleared challenge so that levels have a chance to be seen and liked

[@LostKin69]

I think the endless challenge will be super fun, even for streamers trying to beat their PRs. But I agree that mm2 should have the 100 Mario challenge for sure. Maybe it'll be a dlc or an update

[@DannyBPlays]

yes, I def hope they include dlc. Endless mode will lead to VERY long youtube videos from the really good players, and come on, who wants to watch 1 1/2 hours of a mario video? 20-30 minutes is perfect for 6 levels

[@iara0]

The final level is the level where you die. The feeling of accomplishment is your score in the leaderboards and the amount of levels you completed. Just because all Mario games have had "ends", it doesn't means this one should. There is story mode for that,. Mario Maker is almost infinite, with several levels being created every hour.

[@PieCreeper12]

I believe there should be a final level. 100 lives is a bit much for the Easy and Normal difficulties.

[@DannyBPlays]

Right?? All major streamers have talked about how they hate Endless, we need a new mode

[@chuckywang]

Plus, I really like watching the 100 man no skip youtube videos. Knowing that they're basically 20-25 min long for each one (edited of course) means I know how much time to budget. Also they're about the same length win or lose. What can possibly be a youtube video for an amazing Endless mode run? It'll be hours long or heavily edited so you don't see the drama. And if someone uploads videos of each of their Endless mode runs, half the time they won't even get past the first level, no matter how good they are.

[@autumnsmaul9825]

I've seen streamers do 5 life challenges, these are super fun to watch and also makes 1UP's and coins more relevant. Endless is an extension of that. It's not "how long until they lose", it's "How high can they get their level count?" I love this concept.

[@DannyBPlays]

I love it too, it's just limiting if it's the only mode

[@picketf]

@@DannyBPlays I think Nintendo is pushing the level suggestions as alternative to endless. Many top tier streamers already prefer to play curated levels and the ones that play anything like thabeast721 or aurateur would have no problem playing endless for hours without dying. It's hard to say though, how starting out with 5 lives is going to play out for streamers... It implies that the gameplay will be more careful and, encourages players to explore for 100coins and extra lives, which may or may not entice the audience.

[@gonut3252]

What really worries me is that you start with 5 lives (according to the direct footage) and if you have played Super Expert you now that 5 lives is nothing

[@mrgreenwolf3550]

I hope it will scale to the difficulty. Example: normal is 5 lives, expert is 15 or 20, super expert 50 lives

[@gonut3252]

@@mrgreenwolf3550 I hope they do something like that, it's an easy way to fix it

[@DannyBPlays]

yeah the 5 lives is probably on easy or normal. no way in hell we'd start with 5 in super expert

[@kayden2119]

I think assuming things we don’t know about new modes is BAD for this channel

[@owenstroud5656]

I think the reason why it replaces 100 Mario is because there is no more costumes doing 100 Mario would have no incentive without them. With Endless it can now be a high score and for fun arcade sort of experience

[@mariobro1954]

Endless mode should be non ranked. Ranks modes should be a no skip x number of levels, where the player has to decide how many levels he wants to take on before he/she starts. This would allow players to try to reach a goal and only if they finish their set goal, it would make it to the leader boards.

[@ShizuruNakatsu]

This is why I love the original Mario formula. Especially those found in SMB3 and SMW with the overworld maps, which include bonuses, secrets, and all of the levels. You know you're working towards something, that you're making progress towards the goal. I also like knowing others are having the same experience, playing the same levels, so that if I said "Remember that part on world 4 level 6?", they would know exactly which level I'm talking about. However, that would be much harder to replicate in a game like Mario Maker. So having the custom worlds that others have suggested would be a nice alternative. Where somebody creates a world containing several levels, with perhaps a fortress along the way, and a castle at the end. That way, everyone who has played the same world, would at least experience the same levels in the same order, complete with increasing difficulty from one level to the next (assuming the creator has good level design and doesn't make level 1 impossible).

[@DannyBPlays]

I'm glad you agree Diana, this video has clearly upset many people!

[@ShizuruNakatsu]

@@DannyBPlays I think it makes a lot of sense. "Play until you lose" doesn't really appeal to me the same way as trying to actually win something. It can be kind of fun sometimes, the "see how long you can survive" kind of thing, but it's not really for me, at least not in a Mario game.

[@jaydubs7236]

I feel like starting with 5 lives is too low. If they aren't going to increase it to more than 5 for expert and super-expert, they could at least make it so that when you find a 1-UP it takes effect instantly rather than you having to beat the level first, and increase the maximum 1-ups per stage to above 3

[@DannyBPlays]

yeah I assume the 5 lives is for a lower level of difficulty. There's no way you could get far in super expert unless you started with the easy side of SE and gain enough lives for a tougher level

[@eunsungkwon485]

Super Mario Maker 2. The first game with unavoidable bad ending. Mario: So I-a-embark in a journey and I-a- always end up losing? mamma mia."

[@DannyBPlays]

exactly!

[@ShadowBones14]

I agree 100% with this, endless mode is cool and unique but I want to be able to complete the challenge not play for 3+ hours to get an achievement or whatever. Or they should add a limit to somewhat emulate at 100 man mode into the game? I wonder if there will be multiplayer for this mode or not

[@DannyBPlays]

exactly, I love a good SE Noskip video being 20-30 min but then beast and Auratuer's videos will be like 2 hours! that's just too much for a video

[@omniscientomnipresent5500]

2:58 I would have skipped this too...

[@Zarmids]

I have a solution for argument #2, How about make it so that if a level gets skipped it won't be counted, therefore good players can do better... I hope you like my solution, thank you!

[@DannyBPlays]

yeah that's a good solution

[@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235]

Oh yes it us

[@benhuang2773]

Why are you writing your comments like this?

[@DannyBPlays]

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[@lukidjano]

I feel like skipping should cost you a life

[@redinahedge3073]

Yes.

[@evai5318]

Yout first arguement makes no sense. Mario 100 was better because it had a story ending? It's a minigame. There's an actual story mode in the game. Having an ending or not doesn't mean it's "better".

[@JoelTheParrot]

Skipping hasn't been confirmed. Edit: It'll prolly be there in some form but chances are it's limited somehow.

[@squiddu]

Such as, you can skip, but you lose a life.

[@teamawesomeness7137]

it's there. I've used it. I haven't seen any limits to it

[@PieCreeper12]

I have no problem with Endless Mode. However, there is no reason to remove the 100 Mario Challenge. I do not see why both modes cannot exist.

[@DannyBPlays]

yeah it reeeeally sucks

[@dud_spud]

1 that's just based on "you can't change it cos it's always been that way" which is just subjective 2 the leaderboard will probably not count skips 3 that is not as fun for you though it is for a lot of people.

[@jasuke2737]

The first reason the endless challenge is bad is extremely arguable, there are many games the have final levels, but also have a endless mode people may like having a final level as good sense of accomplishment however, endless mode gives you your one feeling of trying to survive until you lose, but if this is REPLACING the 100 man challenge HUGE mistake. Also you probably wouldn’t be able to skip lol

[@happycamperds9917]

Also it only gives you like 5 lives. No super expert level can really be beaten with this many lives, forget like 30.

[@DannyBPlays]

I'd guarantee the 5 lives is a lower difficulty OR a setting that you can adjust. Nintendo isn't dumb enough to think that super expert run would last more than 3 or 4 levels with only 5 starting lives

[@diahero4754]

what are the pipes on the level menu? i'm not rlly sure what theme its supposed to be

[@DannyBPlays]

I think it means the underground theme but not sure exactly

[@superajbrothers82]

Keep endless mode BUT the leader board resets every month so the number doesn't get so high no one can beat it

[@epicandstevie4152]

or just have monthly leaderboards and all time

[@legofireman6822]

To fix the ranking issue they should do it like when you used to activate cheat codes in older games, once you skip you're not eligible for ranking (like cheating disabled achievements or saving). Also, I'd like to see dungeons every X# of levels... And only on those levels.. It'd keep that feeling that you were describing. It could easily be the last level of that screen, Ex. On normal every 16th level is a dungeon, super expert is every 6 (mirror 100man SSM) that way you could "finish" whenever you wanted with having a "Victory" screen. Plus you could always say "how many dungeons can i/we do today?" or have that "think we could do another run?" conversation with yourself or your stream even if you're down to 5 lives... Not perfect but I think it's the best middle ground. Especially if they don't do a separate 100man mode...

[@streakertree14]

I disagree, your mistaking bad for the game with bad for videos/streams, which im pretty sure nintendo don't care about

[@MoldyMrWaffles]

I read your comment and saw that you were welcoming opinions so I’m happy to lend mine ;) From what I got from this, about half of the points were along the lines of “Endless mode would be bad because it’s endless” I don’t think your point of every Mario ever always ended with a final boss battle, yes that might be true but that doesn’t mean an endless Mario would be bad it just means it hasn’t been done before. A lot if games have endless modes that work so why is Mario any different other than it hasn’t been done before? The leaderboard problem with the skips sounds like an actual issue but it shouldn’t be that hard to remove the skips or at the very least penalize that player’s score for it. Cheers for understanding 👌

[@DannyBPlays]

Glad to hear your opinion! I have no problem being told I'm wrong, long as someone isn't being nasty about it

[@fireballdude7368]

Adding to this point, I personally like the “when will he lose” question more than the “will he win.” I think it’s more unpredictable and that is what is so fun in a Mario makes level, and to make the premise of the game more onto the unpredictable side will be so interesting and creative. Of course I think both of these sides are very fun to play, but I think it will be more of a competitive fun added. Like let’s say Carl wanted to see who would have a better gameplay performance with Ryu. They would get random levels that would get slowly more difficult. Overall though, I did hear about the fix with the online friends option and that is gonna be blast! Excited to see you play. 👍 however the con is that, like you pointed out a great point, the player is gonna lose, and really that is something that will have the mindset of. But the pro to it is that it is so much more fun in my opinion when you have to think about when the player will lose and how close it will go to the wire.

[@MoldyMrWaffles]

Fireball Dude I like to think it’s more fun because it adds that unpredictability to it. “oh it’s obvious the game will end with this boss fight” but endless throws that predictability out the window and you have no idea when it’s going to end. And in a way it’s more exciting because of it.

[@fireballdude7368]

MoldyMrWaffles right, that’s what I was thinking as well

[@Batsman1234]

I think the game should let you skip after you died at least 10 times idk

[@harkharring2572]

weverke10 I like that idea

[@sauce987654321]

I like the Endless challenge, and some of these issues are easily fixed/ignored. Not having to save Peach really isn't a big deal. Your satisfaction comes from beating the level. This is something people will forget about very quickly. You can give players an incentive to not skip. Like a bonus, such as points. "When will he lose" seems like a pessimistic and unrealistic attitude people will actually have when watching no skip. More like "how far can he get, today." Let's not act like you can keep going on forever, either. Most people can't even finish SE 100 challenge with skips, most of the time.

[@DannyBPlays]

yeah I didn't mean that we actually care about saving Peach, it's more about just having a "last level"

[@DeathKiller362]

I also think that the bonus of leaderboards will make another thing people can hope for. It shows how many people beat you and then you can have a goal to beat them. In 100 man super expert the goal was always six levels, now it could be 20 or 100. I think another point is if they give super expert 5 lives then most runs will lose on the first level (as a downside)

[@saiga8598]

Well, he didn't ask for the endless challenge to be removed tho, did he? He only said that he wanted a seperate mode because the endless mode by itself simply is lacking that spice that made the mario maker community keep playing/watching mario maker. If it's just a new mode no one here is complaining. If it's the only fucking mode than nintendo needs to evaluate their game designers

[@sauce987654321]

@@saiga8598Is this a response to me? Because I never wrote my comment under the assumption that he wanted it removed.

[@saiga8598]

@@sauce987654321 well, I never wrote my comment under tge assumption that you assumed it like that. Is what I'd love to say but you wrote it exactly in a way that made me assume that you did what you ''didn't''. K thx for your clarification

[@jacksonray3596]

What if it cost lives to skip a level

[@teamawesomeness7137]

easy: if x/8 is an integer, then level x is a castle normal and expert:if x/16 is an integer, then level x is a castle super expert:if x/6 is an integer, level x is a castle

[@teamawesomeness7137]

this was not the case, sadly and I meant x/6 for super expert because 6 levels for 100 mario.

[@beuh8752]

Wait they got rid of 100 mode?

[@bradenrazak4292]

I liked saving peach

[@snitzledck2]

3:55 what’s that theme?

[@frogfan449]

The endless mode is good and the only problem is that it's replacing the 100 man imo

[@DannyBPlays]

You said it perfectly. Both are equally great challenges and both should stay

[@TrueLadyEvilChan]

@@DannyBPlays For the sake of it, do you think you could make up another mode that you personally would put in?

[@teamawesomeness7137]

@@TrueLadyEvilChan I can. Prankster comet mode. like the 100 mario challenge, but every level will have a random prankster comet effect attached to it.

[@TrueLadyEvilChan]

@@teamawesomeness7137 Not gonna lie that does pretty interesting. It could be 5, 15 or 50 man too.

[@ilexontrooper9688]

They could add a "world" system where you beat maybe 6-10 levels depending on difficulty and then you get a guaranteed castle stage with the door behind Mario. If this was in the game and amiibo costumes as well as normal costumes they could make it so for every castle you beat you get one of the costumes so you get them at a similar rate to the previous game.

[@DannyBPlays]

That sounds really cool

[@swimen2768]

Uhm, I think Nintendo won’t allow level skipping in Endless mode. It just doesn’t make sense

[@Strange_System]

but what if you get a completely ridiculous near impossible level? I propose that you can skip but only after you die X amount of times.

[@mtyburns]

@@Strange_System You just lose

[@thefrenchestfry3599]

Tobor Videos or you could use the coins you get from levels

[@DannyBPlays]

Tobor is right, there are many levels that heavily rely on randomness to beat and the player has no control over the outcome. It would be awful to not be allowed to skip it

[@swimen2768]

DannyB Plays Isn’t it possible that there will be some kind of verifying system, that a moderator has to approve a level for its difficulty, before it can be played in Endless Mode

[@GamesbiteRtDL]

Thats What its about Bro you dont have to be the best of Them all its Just for fun.Its called endless What do you expect at the end,a kiss on the Check?No,you Just have to have fun and If you dont then simply dont Play it.

[@DannyBPlays]

thanks for the comment, bro!

[@louisst-amand9207]

the endless mode is perfect cause it shows how much you improve to the game. yeah, there isn't gonna be a triumphant finish of "yes, got it!!!!" but rather a triumphant finish of "i never thought i could get this far" or "oh, i beat my score! i can die in peace now"

[@DannyBPlays]

yes but if you get some crazy lucky long streak of 15 levels, how long do you think it would take before you got even close to that? You might play for 6 months and never get close and it'd feel pointless because of one crazy lucky awesome run that you had

[@UltraAryan10]

I believe Endless Challenge will be No Skip, another thing I hope is for is a daily/weekly leaderboard instead/alongside an all-time one. So being high in leaderboard is easier and it feels more accomplishing when you get a game over in Endless Challenge. Also there exists no point in removing 100 Mario Challenge, why not both can stay?

[@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235]

Bruh each of the screens is a world and there's a tower and a castle and each of them.

[@LordRotule]

Yeah but there's an infinity of worlds... it never ends

[@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235]

@@LordRotule yeah I know

[@DannyBPlays]

bruh, I think you're just assuming that. They can't all fit on one screenand the line continues off screen and then you see it continuing through later in the video

[@cosmicyoutubeoof]

No, those are individual levels...

[@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235]

DannyB Plays does it though?

[@SSL_2004]

I respect your opinion at all, but I don't think a lot of these points are valid. First of all, Nintendo knows that's giving the ability to skip levels wouldn't break a leaderboard, they know how game design works. everything else is pretty much just criticizing the fact that it IS an endless challenge, which when you think about, is kind of what Mario Maker is anyway, in fact Mario Maker 2 is more traditional than Mario Maker 1 due to its story mode

[@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235]

Oh and I think the game will give you a free skip if you're really struggling to finish a level.

[@binarycat1237]

1: that's baseless 2: aren't skips already free?

[@jonathantonner4263]

@@binarycat1237 they cost one life in the base game if I remember correctly

[@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235]

Its not baseless. I posted another comment earlier.

[@binarycat1237]

@@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235 your source for this is another baseless comment?

[@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235]

binary cat no not really

[@lutekdyngol6114]

0:43 Mountain theme?

[@epicstar86]

DannyB Plays: 100 man mode Me: More Like 100 mario mode

[@mikebyoder]

Ranking could just not include skipped levels. If Beast beats a 0.17% level, it raises his rank more than when he beats a 5% level. The more low % levels he beats, the higher his rank vs other players.

[@1stpltpkmnTR]

Mm, I think it's fine for the most part. Leaderboards are generally meaningless and only for people who really want it. For entertainment values people will watch who they want. And with easy and hard levels levels also comes supportive players who are then incentivised to put 1ups in their levels. Sure it was kind of the case in MM1 but now it seems like the limitation adds more incentives for players and makers.

[@cosmicyoutubeoof]

Incredible video, I think having both would bring out the best of both worlds, as 100-Mario challenge is great for that satisfaction at the end, and the build up. While Endless mode is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT for stream highlights. They serve different purposes, if there were one thing I'd change about the endless mode, is have the Game End song be a happy one, sort of an 'It's not the end that matters, It's the journey!' type of mentality. (Btw, just subscribed)

[@DannyBPlays]

Thanks for the sub and that's a great point about the "game over" tone changing after they lose all their lives

[@amiante2000]

For streamers, it will be fun to watch for the "I hope he/she makes a new PB"

[@DannyBPlays]

but if the PB is something crazy high then you will know for a fact that they probably won't beat it. And then youtube videos will be over 2 hours if they get to level 10 or 15

[@teamawesomeness7137]

what's a PB?

[@zetaman8924]

personal best

[@woahblow4127]

Why you can't customize lives, levels count, and difficulty is beyond me. Literally everyone will have what they wanted. Endless? Fine 1 life easy, 25 levels? Go for 100 SE, no skip, 6 levels? Yup Add filters for everything too. Game type, level time, environment, etc. Also from a code perspective this is prob easy to implement

[@K3Vz0]

Next up: *MARIO MAKER 2 IS BAD AND HERE IS WHY*

[@CatsMeow_]

Lol

[@bomis7681]

The endless mode will probably not have a skip feature because it would be too confusing for Nintendo to rank people

[@tietah1262]

And the problem is then these levels with just 1 invisible block or troll levels... Because there will be a way to exploit the difficulty.

[@Rodzilla97]

agreed. they need to bring back 100 man, the amiibo costumes, and playing with friends online. and power up and item updates here and there

[@DannyBPlays]

YESSS to all 3 of those things!! You literally mentioned the 3 things I'm most upset about with the game

[@archiballs343]

Also is the rank for all difficulty’s be the same ranking or 4 different

[@alexandradordzhieva3835]

1 minute ago 33.5 k views wow

[@NaffyZacky]

I'm a Mario fan and I don't think Mario Maker should really 'like mario' gameplay. The level itself already way different compare to traditional Mario. Saving princess is boring already. Ok, you said the run always end with "game over" huh? Yes, that's great. This makes feel this game is endless. I actually always felt annoyed that we have to replay 100 man challenge again and again to find random courses. But with endless challenge, we not have to click the same button again and again. We can just continue our journey. Also, i have two solution for skipping level. First, you lose one life each time you skip a level. Second, you will go one step back for skip a level (for example, you in 6 and you skip. Then you going back to 5 but with different selected course). But hey, I appreciate your opinion. It would be great to see 100 man challenge in SMM2!

[@DannyBPlays]

ohhhhhh I LOVE the idea of losing progress if you skip. That would 100% discourage skipping over losing a life or other suggestions. That is my favorite suggestion so far

[@blokbustr]

I'm skeptical about Endless Mode. :l

[@DannyBPlays]

me too!!

[@animeguru8937]

I think a valid solution to get a fair Leaderboard system would be a 100Mario-Challenge style competitive mode with handpicked levels from the community. The way I would imagine it, would be like that: Season 1 (Let's say 6 Weeks long) contains 20set (handpicked?) levels from the community in expert difficulty and 100Lives. The way the Leaderboard would rank would be: Person has cleared all levels > Lifes left > Time taken I think the advantage would be, that it would eliminate the RNG in competition, have a real ending point and give replay value to either top your time you needed in the run of that season or to play in the next one. The endless mode seems kinda unfair as it's RNG and the players might get an unfair advantage on the Leaderboards through playing easier levels.

[@rose_no]

You could just say "We win at 8 levels." or something...

[@DannyBPlays]

I think you're right about that. ESPECIALLY for the sake of a youtube video, we can't be having 2 hour long videos from Beast/Aura/etc because they could easily go through 10+ levels

[@omniscientomnipresent5500]

What happens if you do all levels existing ??!

[@monkey8178]

Does the story really matter and why should I care about streamers not being on the leader boards

[@oddishe421]

Best solution: Take out the skipping function for endless ONLY. This will also make global rank a lot easier to compete.

[@TheMail518]

He is right. Even i want it to be an “ended” challenge eventually lol.. it should be 10-20 levels (not endless) so it makes everyone feel accomplished instead of feeling lost in hope

[@DannyBPlays]

Thanks! I am not against the Endless mode by any means, but we definitely need both modes so that a player can choose

[@TheMail518]

DannyB Plays lol that is true. I mean there could be objectives that if you beat certain amount of levels, you get a special reward as well as have a dominant rank. They should include 100 mario challenge for people who want to just feel deserving and then leave the endless challenge (i still say maximum should be 50-100 levels lol) for the pros 😎 (#notme)

[@DannyBPlays]

yeah and we also need costumes for SMB1, those levels will be way more plain without the extra customization of a costume

[@da69one23]

You bring up some good points. I really hope it is just an extra mode. But I’m afraid it probably won’t be. And if you are allowed to skip, again you are right it will be a mess on the leaderboards. This was well thought out Danny. Nice job man.

[@DannyBPlays]

Thanks Sammit, I just tried to make some valid points and I hope I'm wrong, but I also hope that Endless isn't the only mode

[@kenleepencil]

I hope Nintendo does add 100 Mario challenge back, but a work around for youtubers/streamers would be to artificially set an amount of levels as their goal beforehand, and stop playing endless mode once they have reached that number and counting that as a win if they made that goal.

[@DannyBPlays]

yeah they will need to set a goal in mind, you're exactly right. otherwise videos would be wayyyy too long for the really good players

[@jixaw9383]

You make a very good point. The way your runs will end will always be in defeat. The only time you will feel accomplished is when you beat your own record which only makes it harder to feel good in the future. Not a single person finished 100 man saying I should’ve done better. They finished. That’s the point, that’s why people enjoy 100 man. They removed it from this new one. What a shame. The more I hear about this game the less I like it.

[@DannyBPlays]

You said it very well, I love how you worded "Not a single person finished 100 man saying I should’ve done better", you're so right. They finished it and that's all that matters

[@musicraft6096]

What if you don’t get ranked for the levels you skip

[@toasty9339]

What if the more "boos" a level got, the less chance it will show up in endless/100 man mode? Just a thought

[@GraveOvRabbits]

What if they make the skip feature not count only levels you actually beat

[@goocheeno7798]

These are some pretty stupid reasons not gonna lie. You basically say: 1, it's bad because its different. 2, it changes the goal of the game. 3, it's not as climactic at the end 4, people could just skip levels Addressing 1, thats just plain stupid. That is not a propper reason at all. Addressing 2, the question isn't intended to be, "when will they loose?", it's supposed to be, "how long will they get?" It's just a different mode, different mode comes with changes. This isn't a problem, it's a preference. Addressing 3, it can be just as climactic. Imagine this, the world record has been set for over a month, a streamer who has been playing for 10 hours is on the final level, one life left. That not only would be extremely climactic, but it would bring the entire playerbase together! Moments like this can happen on smaller scales as well. Maybe personal records, of friend group records. Addressing 4, it would be easy to remove the skip button. If it breaks it nintendo would no doubt remove it. Your input is appreciated, but wow these are extremely easy to disprove as arguments.