Titanic Expert Breaks Down The 'Titanic' Movie | Deep Dives | History Hit

Tim Maltin deep dives into the historical accuracy of James Cameron's acclaimed 1997 film 'Titanic'.
00:00 Intro
00:38 Titanic leaves Southampton
03:39 Titanic going full speed
07:08 Edward Smith and J. Bruce Ismay
08:10 Rose asks about the lifeboats
09:44 Collision with the iceberg
14:46 Boarding the lifeboats
20:22 Murdoch shoots a passanger
21:43 Thomas Andrews, Guggenheim and the old couple
25:06 Titanic breaks in half
30:56 People in the sea
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[@blesfemy]

Our friend Mike Brady gonna be pulling his hair watching this

[@giotrevi6651]

OMG I wanted to tag him so bad!!!

[@BanditSlots]

Need to get Historic Travels on this too for a reaction haha

[@jakevanderbergh5458]

Omg I thought the exact same haha

[@jomac841]

Yup! Between him and Sam from Historic Travels that should be interesting!

[@VitaKet]

As someone who has no idea who that is.. why?

[@anthonydurnford3077]

"Hey everyone its your friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs. Today we're going to be tearing this man to shreds about his mistakes on reacting to the Titanic movie!"

[@Kadenite]

Yeah, Mike doesn't do that.

[@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid]

@@Kadenite The point of the statement was that this guy sucks. Brady was just the device. 👍

[@Oaronuviss]

I was one of the world's leading experts on the Titanic when I was nine years old. Self proclaimed of course. 😂

[@Darilon12]

You weren't much worse than this guy...

[@spectralnighttravel]

Imagine your title being an expert about a ship that sank over 100 years ago...

[@Oaronuviss]

@@spectralnighttravel well there's experts on the most obscure insect and plant life, or venereal diseases, I'd take the Titanic expert over those lol

[@spectralnighttravel]

@Oaronuviss Those might have some use, as they're still in the world. Being an expert on a failed ship that's been rotting on the ocean floor for over a hundred years literally has no use.

[@Darilon12]

@@spectralnighttravel Do you think the whole field of history is pointless? Having a faulty understanding of the past leads to many mistakes in the present and future. We still have ships, we still build ships. Ships still sink. Icebergs getting rare though 🙈

[@andredesautel7410]

Murdoch shooting a man and committing suicide is well documented? In 2004 Cameron apologized and said he was wrong to portray it, "thinking as a storyteller rather than historian" .

[@ioneltorac]

And paid compensations to Murdoch family.

[@MrWillyMrBrightside]

Officer Lightoller said that he saw an officer shoot someone then take their own life, he later claimed that it was Murdoch, but we can't be certain

[@smileyeagle1021]

I understood the apology to primarily be about the fact that it portrays Murdoch killing (even if somewhat inadvertently) someone who ultimately was an innocent bystander, when the testimony on that evening indicated that an officer (who at least one person thought was Murdoch) had killed someone who was acting in such a way to be a threat to the other passengers. And frankly, I can understand why the family would be bothered by that distinction, there is a huge difference between shooting a man who just happened to get shoved towards him and shooting a man who was actively charging the lifeboat.

[@moi-ev3pi]

I thought about that too, but i guess he knows more

[@EpicJoshua314]

I doubt it was Murdoch. He was working to the end to free Collapsible A and get as many people on it before the Boat Deck became awash. I believe he was washed off the Boat Deck and succumbed to the shock of cold water or crushed by the 1st funnel.

[@stevehill934]

mike brady:" i can see the amount of knowledge Tim has on this history already.....very small of course"

[@Mildon44]

I absolutely love that fellow Titanic nerds are in the comments and calling this so-called 'expert' out on his misinformation - it truly is a wonderful, and informed, fan base

[@johnking5174]

There is so much information on Titanic out there, anyone can be an expert if they take the time to study the ship and the event. I think many people don't take the time to read the accounts, read the survivors accounts and look at the real details of the ship.

[@deaconjohn6838]

Everyone has there own love of titanic don't really matter

[@PJV1990]

Yes! It REALLY frustrates me when 'experts' perpetuate incorrect information that misleads people. A real expert wouldn't do that.

[@NextWorldVR]

There is NO WAY they 'flung open the gates' to third class as soon as there was an emergency... Else there would BE no gates...

[@Jonno_B251]

Dawson was not based on Thayer there are no similarities except for the name. Jack Thayer was from a very wealthy Philadelphia family and was a first class passenger

[@davinp]

There was a J or Joseph Dawson on the real Titanic who worked in the engine room and went down with the ship. This was discovered after James Cameron made his movie

[@ubaldoa.rosario1832]

I gasped when he said such comment.

[@datdavid]

Correct. Thayer had nothing to do with the inspiration for Jack Dawson, who is entirely fictional. Who told this man he was an expert?

[@belle.m]

Pretty sure Cameron stated he made up the characters, but I guess people like to speculate that just because his name is Jack, and he drew pictures of the sinking that Thayer was the inspiration for Jack. If Cameron wanted to use a real person, he could have easily done that.

[@NathanHeadActor]

both jacks were on the titanic and did sketches, i guess that's the only connection

[@Darilon12]

This man expertise is about 20 years out of date. And even then he'd be presenting theory as fact.

[@anandmorris]

We conversed on a different video of his. He contradicts himself here on the size of Titanic. Here, he says the ship is twice the size of previous largest ship. Yet in the other video, he says Titanic was actually shorter than previous large ship, but Titanic's tonnage was what made her be called largest ship in the World. Surely Titanic was twice the bloody tonnage of that ship? Unless it was made from Carbon Fibre. I am thinking you were absolutely correct in your assessment if this gentleman.

[@Darilon12]

@@anandmorris Tonnage is not a measurement of mass but internal volume. As an example you compare Titanic to Olympic. They are basically identical in length and not far off in weight but Titanic has more tonnage. Experience from operating Olympic lead to Titanic having some of her deck space converted to enclosed space (cabines and a restaurant). But twice the size is wrong no matter how you look at it.

[@alexanderholloway7110]

Let's get our facts straight. Jack Dawson was a completely fictional character that had a few historical circumstances written in as interesting easter eggs.

[@Crazael]

Which is fairly normal for composite characters.

[@leahvance1840]

Yes! James Cameron has said this many times. Makes me wonder about the accuracy of the rest of this guy’s facts

[@killspun]

This is riddled with inaccuracies and speculation presented as fact.

[@cpj93070]

Well you go on the channel and talk about then if you think you know more....

[@alexanderholloway7110]

@@cpj93070 I think that's what they just did.

[@federicoperi6806]

@@cpj93070 To be honest this "Titanic expert" knows what he is talking about to a certain degree... Yes he did talk about some well known and less well known facts about Titanic but he really missed out on some very big talking points (that might be due to the editing of the video though). As a "non Titanic expert", more of an enthusiast, I too have noticed a fair few inaccuracies in this video... I still enjoyed it and learnt some new things though!

[@TitaniumTurbine]

⁠​⁠@@federicoperi6806 The problem is, these “few new things you learned” (FYI “learnt” is not a word)… could very well be totally false information. That’s the danger of misinformation and non-credible “experts”.

[@federicoperi6806]

​@@TitaniumTurbine For YOUR information: “learnt” is standard in British English and “learned” derives from American English. Both "learned" and "learnt" are correct forms of the past tense and past participle of the verb "learn". Of the two, "learned" is far more commonly used in American English. Learnt is used in British English and some other varieties. What I *learnt* from this video were some interesting pieces of information that I subsequently fact checked. I suppose you haven't *learnt* anything interesting from this video but, ironically, you've *learnt* that there are two ways of spelling the past tense/past participle of the verb "learn" thanks to the comment section. I think it's safe to say that, like our "Titanic Expert", you cannot define yourself an "English Language Expert"... 😂

[@PJV1990]

For a so-called world leading expert on Titanic he should know that:- 1. It was a tugboat that avoided a collision with the SS New York when Titanic left Southampton, Captain Smith DID NOT 'push' the SS New York away, the tugboat did 2. J Bruce Ismay did not own the White Star Line, JP Morgan did. Ismay was the managing director. 3. People did hear a ghastly roar/rumble and attributed it to the boilers tearing through the ship however the boilers are still in place on the wreck, what people actually heard was the ship breaking up. He should've mentioned that. 4. The 'Japanese' man recovered from the water was actually Chinese (Fang Lang) and he was found clinging to a door, not a piece of staircase.

[@blake7587]

Yeah well their climate expert didn’t know global warming was a myth and yet presented it as a fact.

[@petestuart6584]

He also missed out that when the Titanic left the dock Southampton, looking at the propellers, the central propeller should not have been turning, until she was well into her voyage.

[@danijelujcic8644]

And Californian WAS indeed featured in a deleted scene.

[@HarryFlashmanVC]

Pedant's corner

[@kilianmummert2397]

He also said that only a few people saw the Titanic break. This is also not true. Most people testified that they saw the Titanic break in half but the inquiry trusted more the testimonies from higher ranking personnel like Lightholler who said that the Titanic didn’t break in half.

[@user-um3rq5ui9p]

He seems more like an enthusiast rather than an historian

[@guillaumebriand8961]

Especially with errors right from the beginning like at 3:01 "They had to build a new dock to take these enormous vessels which were twice the size of the previous largest vessels in the world." Ignoring what even the movie itself is saying : "Rose: I don't see what all of the fuss is about. It doesn't look any bigger than the Mauritania. Cal Hockley: You can be blasé about some things, Rose, but not about Titanic. It's over a hundred feet longer than the Mauritania and far more luxurious."

[@sirboomsalot4902]

@@guillaumebriand8961To be fair, they did have to build a new drydock, as it was twice (give or take) the size of anything Harland and Wolf had built previously. So it’s not too wrong

[@sirboomsalot4902]

He has a pretty good pedigree and seems respected in the community, it’s just that there’s been so much more information that came out (largely due to Honor and Glory’s efforts as well as “On a Sea of Glass”) in the last decade that anyone who hasn’t kept up has been lost with outdated information.

[@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid]

@@sirboomsalot4902 If you're not keeping up with new developments in a field, you're CERTAINLY nowhere near "expert" level. This guy is an embarrassment, and would get spanked by literally any amateur Titanic nerd.

[@matthewmutchman6360]

​@sirboomsalot4902 That is no excuse. You would think as someone who is as much of an "expert" as he claims to be should be keeping himself up-to-date with new evidence. So that is also bad on him.

[@Hilux5972]

Really? World leading titanic historian? I’ve been studying the titanic over 30 years and I’ve never even heard of him!

[@BanditSlots]

And apparently Bruce Ismay “owns the white star line”. He made a myriad of errors in the last video too

[@user-ir1fj5qd2t]

I have!

[@cpj93070]

A yank are you?

[@nigelmurphy6761]

​@@BanditSlotsI think what tim probably meant by that was the bruce ismay inheirited ownership of the white star line from his father Thomas henry ismay.

[@darthhull85]

Oh come on, you didn’t know that Jack was based on Jack Thayer because they both ate names Jack? 🤣

[@tomk578]

As an academic historian I do really believe that amateur historians can bring a lot to the table, in terms of Titanic history you've got people like Mike Brady among others. This bloke is a good example of a particularly poor amateur historian who has somehow convinced himself he can claim the title of 'expert'. An amateur historian is someone operating outside the traditional confines of the academy, but generally following at least some of those academic principles, primarily the principle of not outright talking out of their arse. This PR consultant isn't an academic historian, he's not an amateur, he's a bungling hobbyist with ideas above his station.

[@p212p]

How many factual mistakes can an ‘expert’ make? Well, too many it seems……..

[@yupitsjessbbyx3]

Fr the comments about Murdock were my last straw

[@me55748]

Murdock?

[@me55748]

Sad to see. I watched his documentary over and over as a kid.

[@SuperBartul]

It is question about Californian either

[@jomac841]

@@yupitsjessbbyx3same. Bailed after that.

[@murph8837]

Is amazing how he speaks with such conviction on something he is terribly wrong about.

[@jordangrandmaison]

Really should be laws around requiring experts to establish their bona fides...

[@powerfrenzy]

First historian I've ever heard to validate the idea Murdoch shooting someone and then himself, considering Cameron admitted they added that drama for the movie's character. I'd like to know this historian's reference on that point

[@nahqiv]

An officer DID do that. We just dont know if it was Murdoch.

[@powerfrenzy]

@@nahqiv which is the element that needs reference

[@Captan40000]

@@powerfrenzy Most people point it to Murdoch because it seems to be the most logical. I've heard people accuse it of being Smith, because his death isn't properly known. This historian states he died on a lifeboat from hypothermia, the movie (and hence most people's idea) is that he died in the bridge from drowning. Some also state that he was the officer to shoot himself. Another good one is that it was the chief officer, Wilde (sorry if I spelt that wrong, it's been a while), was the one to shoot himself because he was more shocked by the coming disaster. I remember reading that Lightoller I believe states that the last time he saw Wilde was at the bridge long before it flooded "smoking a cigarette" and was simply never seen again. Good chance he just went to his cabin and chose to leave on his own terms. Following this theory with a shaken-up officer, some also point it at a more junior officer (6th I think, don't remember the number) was the officer in question. It is a pretty unfair thing to fully validate that it was Murdoch, but the other theories are just not as "dramatic" as the movies want. Smith dying in the wheel room was meant to give a feel that he was depressed due to him thinking it was his fault or whatever, Wilde was barely even shown in the movie, and same with the junior officers (other than that 5th officer who I somehow forgot his name), none of them are shown, so it wouldn't give off the same feeling if a random person came out of nowhere and shot themselves.

[@delbertgrady5288]

How was Jack based on Jack Thayer?? Because they both had the name Jack? That’s all they had in common 😂 this expert is rubbish 😂

[@MatteoRamaccioni84]

@@Captan40000 Moody and Smith didn't have guns.

[@smileyeagle1021]

It seems like the movie really did Captain Smith and Mr. Andrews dirty. As much as it makes for great cinematography for them to stand stoically facing their ends, it undermines the much less cinematic, but also much more heroic, acts that they actually performed that night.

[@nicoler1183]

Yes! Although Andrews did end up in the lounge for a little while (and Victor Garber portrays the mental anguish he must have been in by then- I really wish this guy didn't call it "just hanging out") he was very active for most of the sinking. And how the movie portrays Smith during the sinking is just insulting.

[@MrMcsia]

I think its portrayel of Murdoch and Ismay are much more outrageous.

[@smileyeagle1021]

@@MrMcsia yeah, it kind of shat on everyone involved.

[@canpreston7076]

I didn’t think so. They went down with the ship

[@YgorCortes]

One very important fact is that Ismay was always actually AGAINST arriving early because that meant passengers would actually have some trouble with hotel reservations and other plans.

[@MrMcsia]

Thanks for pointing that out! So many movies did Ismay dirty.

[@padraigpearse1551]

for an expert he also seems to forget that Titanic had MORE LIFEBOATS THAN THE LAW REQUIRED.

[@jilliansmaniotto2326]

he gets a lot of stuff wrong in this. kinda weird.

[@barrelrunner89]

Seriously! Like forgetting how long it actually took for her to sink 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@BanditSlots]

He said Bruce Ismay owned the White Star Line. Expert yeah right

[@Klyis]

@@jilliansmaniotto2326 I noticed that too. I suspect, while he is a historian, he is not a Titanic historian.

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

They just forgot to keep up with the speed that ships (& thus numbers of passengers) were growing...

[@marsspacex6065]

The last song the band plays always gets me 😢

[@AceMoonshot]

Most witnesses say that they never played it. Which makes sense. Last thing you'd ever want to do, at any stage of a sinking ship, is play a song that just screams, "everyone is about to die! So go ahead and panic!"

[@BadgerOfTheSea]

@@AceMoonshot Witnesses agree music was played, it is what was played that is disagreed upon. Some swore under oath at hearings that that was the music they heard. Also important to note that it had been on the Sunday first class chapel service's list of music so all of the band not only knew it but also had practiced it for that voyage.

[@BadgerOfTheSea]

The actual band members were much younger than shown in the film too. The oldest (the cello player) was the oldest at 40 but that was a big jump from the second oldest (the famous violinist) who was 33. The rest were between 20 and 32. When people talk about the band playing as the ship sank, one thing missed is that they were young men with their entire lives ahead of them.

[@AceMoonshot]

@@BadgerOfTheSea And their families were sent letters from the company demanding payment for the lost uniform and badges.

[@paulwalker2988]

@@BadgerOfTheSea My friend, In order to work on WSL ship a musician had to know 120 hymns and songs by heart. No sheets, song would be called by number and they would instantly start playing. IE. "97" and then the band plays "Nearer My God to Thee"

[@Dave-sd7us]

2:56 the center screw would not have began turning right away. It ran off the leftover pressure of the outer screws. Just some trivia

[@lukeclays9644]

I just started watching this and thought to myself, he is talking about the facts about the dock but not about the center prop spining and the fact that it didnt have 4 blades on it...????

[@Urlocallordandsavior]

How does a Titanic expert think that Murdoch actually shot himself?

[@user-et6pj4db9s]

Because there's contention he did it's just that it couldn't be substantiated 100 percent since um people were kinda preoccupied with saving themselves when he did or didn't do it? So if this guy is wrong so can you be since neither of you were on the Titanic when it occured, happy? Considering half the people who witnessed it probably died at the time you're in no position to say it definitely never happened. A man did shoot someone and he did then commit suicide. Some said it was him some said they couldn't be sure, that's life.

[@nkbujvytcygvujno6006]

​@@user-et6pj4db9s Sheesh, defensive much? Who pissed in your cornflakes? Why so upset over this?

[@ChickVicious237]

25:22 there's a bit of contention around why the funnels came down exactly (similarly for Britannic's sinking, while other ships like Lusitania did not have collapsed funnels when they went down) and Mike Brady at Oceanliner Designs a couple years back did a brilliant analysis of the design of Titanic's funnels and how it was likely the increasing water pressure around the base of the funnel that brought them down, as opposed to the stay lines snapping as portrayed on the movie and in this analysis. It's a minor thing, but for anyone interested in looking at the architecture behinds various aspects of Titanic's sinking, it's definitely worth a watch.

[@ben.y.g]

Your Friend Mike Brady

[@Crazael]

I didnt get the impression here that it was the stay lines breaking that caused the funnel to collapse, but that them brsaking is what happened right before it collapsed.

[@Titanicdork133]

Lusitania’s third funnel did collapse

[@Titanicdork133]

‘In the morning when the sea began to rise’ what???

[@kevinkevin-ug9po]

There were no lights on the bridge to light up the iceberg. The Bridge was always kept dark to increase visibility. Barret did say they did run under the water tight doors, they were closed from the bridge. Hitchens gave evidence, Barret was in the boiler rooms 6 when the iceberg buckled the plates. The band were inside playing until later stages, it was too cold to play outside.

[@darthhull85]

That bridge light comment annoyed me. It wasn’t his first mistake but it made it clear he knows absolutely little

[@masqerader]

From my understanding the iceberg that hit the titanic start forming 15000 years ago before it broke off. What a ride

[@TheDemonicPenguin]

I don't really think Murdoch shooting himself is well documented. It's possible, and someone was have supposed to, so I have no issues with how it's portrayed. But it's certainly debated.

[@jilliansmaniotto2326]

yeah it definitely isn’t well documented - at all.

[@Jordid]

Exactly, I was a bit surprised when this "top expert" said that.

[@MartyMcFly88]

There’s lots of witnesses who saw it

[@ryantimm9748]

I’m also a bit surprised that as an “expert” he didn’t mention that as Titanic departed, the turbine center screw would not begin spinning with the wing screws. The center screw cannot engage until the reciprocating engines powering the wing screws are going at a rate of at LEAST 50rpm(half ahead or faster). Not to mention, passengers were not allowed on the forecastle like that.

[@DavidGavinETC]

As far as I’m concerned Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs (YT Channel) and Dr. Robert Ballard are the experts on anything Titanic and her sisters

[@swampyankee]

"Now for the information of all hands. We have over one hundred icebergs around us." This was announced one morning aboard the US Coast Guard cutter I was aboard in 1973 on Ocean Station Bravo. Truly a beautiful and terrifying sight. As when the Titanic went down the sea was like a mill pond.

[@Burns1993Joe]

Titanic’s engines did not produce 70,000 horsepower. The two reciprocating engines produced around 15,000 horsepower each, with the low pressure turbine engine producing around 16,000 horsepower. A grand total of 46,000 horsepower. I’m not sure where this “expert” got his facts from.

[@dannys942]

Fun Fact: Titanic actually had 6 of hers compartments breeched, "Boiler Room 5" had its coal bunker taking water, and it was discovered only moments before the coal bunker wall rivets started flying out and letting water burst violently, completely trashing the bunker. that was the point, when any chance of pumping water was gone. Titanic actually had maybe only 3 segregating gates, and not hundreds like shown in the movie, the other segregating obstacles were: the waist high gates on the well deck that can be jumped over, or opened by removing the pin. there were all so doors who could be opened like the entrance to first & second class from Scotland road, or like the one in the Veranda Caffe. and those 3 classic gates (like in the movie) were in a mailroom area, having no real effect on survival chance.

[@Calabresa022]

That's what's really sad. Having 5 compartments breached, being able to survive with 4 flooded, they were trying their best to pump water out of the 5th compartment. Perhaps if the 6th (barely) breached compartment hadnt been caught in the iceberg, Titanic wouldnt have sunk, or at least taken a lot a longer to sink.

[@lukas_2004]

Amazing video with some great and correct aspects mentioned. However, I noticed some minor things that I feel should be cleared up. 2:12: Yes, third-class passengers were segregated from the other classes. However, there were no "gates" separating them. The gates seen in the movie were used in parts of the ship to secure cargo and other crew areas. These black steel gates were non-existent in passenger areas. Third-class was actually segregated by mostly plain white closed doors, through which they probably never knew that they would lead them to safety. It's commendable that Tim mentioned that stewards were sent down to help the third-class passengers up the decks. 4:53: A small correction: all of Titanic's propellers were driven by steam. The middle one used the generated steam in another way by utilizing a turbine, while the outside propellers used triple-expansion steam engines. 5:00: The myth of Jack Dawson being in any way inspired by or based on Jack Thayer is completely inaccurate. There is absolutely no similarity between them apart from their name. Jack Thayer survived atop collapsible B, which overturned when the Titanic began its final plunge. I'm not sure where this myth originated from really. However, Tim mentions something that is very correct and significant about Jack Thayer namely that he gave account that the ship broke in half. 14:30: Port holes? That's a new one! It was a very cold night. The role of portholes was not significant in Titanic's sinking, unlike with her sister ship Britannic. So, no, the damage of the iceberg was not "doubled" by the portholes. But it's good that he mentioned the coal fire not in any way contributing, as that's a common myth I am tired of hearing. Thanks for debunking. 15:15: The Titanic sank in around 2 hours and 40 minutes, not 2 hours 20 minutes. It's a minor error, possibly a mix-up as the ship sank at 2:20 AM. 20:32: No, very very big no no. It's not a "fact" that Murdoch shot passengers, and it's also not confirmed that he shot himself. The only thing confirmed is that shots were fired at some point during the sinking. The portrayal of Murdoch committing suicide after shooting two men is fiction from the film. 23:57: The apparent violin recovered from the deck and later sold is likely not genuine. There isn't any hard proof to confirm its authenticity. 26:30: The majority of people died in the freezing waters of the Atlantic, not on Titanic's stern. I am sure he meant it this way though. 27:22: The exact angle at which Titanic broke her back is widely disputed. 15° is too shallow and disagrees with many passenger accounts saying that the stern rose to over 45°, which is why between 25-30° remains the most agreed-upon range. 28:15: Regarding Jack Thayer, refer to the previous comments. 28:35: Charles Joughin's account of not getting his hair wet is often taken too literally. It was likely meant in a hyperbolic way, underlining his claims of how he saw his survival being relatively easy. Titanic's last moments were not "calm" but chaotic and dramatic as it descended rapidly into the ocean. Water was rushing in faster than the air inside the ship could escape. Portholes and hatches were exploding outwords right and left. That was everything I found. Overall, an excellent video, especially for those new to the Titanic! From a so called "expert", I would have however expected a little more.

[@dragons123ism]

Great commentary. It was my understanding that there was circumstantial evidence that Murdoch shot himself?

[@PeterSchmieder]

One more thing to correct would be the weird pronunciation of the baker's name. I admit that even among those who know a lot about the Titanic, nobody seems to know how to pronounce "Joughin" correctly. I've heard several different versions of the name, but the one in this video just has to be incorrect. Where does Tim Maltin get the L from? I agree with all the things you corrected, those were actually the same mistakes I found, too. What I don't agree with is you conclusion. How can you call this an "excellent video" when you've spotted all those mistakes? It really bothers me that Tim Maltin often introduces himself as "one of the leading experts on the Titanic". Yes, this man knows a lot about the ship and its history. But considering that you and I both found some obvious mistakes in this video, apparently we know even more about the Titanic than he does. And I don't know about you, but I don't consider myself a "leading expert".

[@bpax7119]

The gates were very much a thing. Health and safety regulation required quarantine of third and sometimes second class passengers until they could be inspected by immigration officials. However, the gates only between waist to shoulder high and stewards were sent down to unlock them. Although based on one survivor testimony it is ambiguous how a priority that was. The real issue is that only thing marking evacuation routes were signs in English. Most 3rd class passengers weren't literate and those that were where usually didn't usually read English. Little to no crew was appointed to assist them getting to the lifeboats. Additionally, there are several very well documented instances of possible classism from inquiry testimony ranging how lifeboats were loaded to someone potentially literally bribing crew not go back to look for survivors

[@lukas_2004]

@@bpax7119 Could you send me a source for the bribing? I would love to read into that as I have never heard of it.

[@lukas_2004]

@@PeterSchmieder I absolutely agree with you. The reason I still called this an excellent video is that I didn't want to discredit him or something. Some points he mentioned were still very true. But yes, him calling himself an expert is maybe a little over the top.

[@davinp]

Olympic and Titanic were not designed to be the fastest ships, but the most luxurious ships

[@spamer7812]

He Didnt even know that it sank in 2 hours and 40 mins

[@89schofe]

Tim's point about the Californian not being featured in this version of Titanic is a worthy note, and if anyone is interested in exploring this further I highly recommend watching A night to remember. It's black & white but really well made for the time

[@chriscann7627]

A Night to Remember is a better Titanic film on EVERY LEVEL.

[@rrice1705]

There was a scene filmed involving the Californian, but it was cut from the final version.

[@89schofe]

@@rrice1705 I must be a victim of the mandela effect 🤔 but you're right

[@purefoldnz3070]

it is in the deleted scenes. The film was already 3 hours long by that point.

[@89schofe]

@@purefoldnz3070 More! More! 😄

[@davinp]

The British Board of Trade failed to update the lifeboat law as ships grew bigger. They measured the number of lifeboats by the gross tonnage not the number of passengers aboard. Also, lifeboats were seen as transporting people from a distressed ship to a nearby rescue ship not meant as lifesavers

[@smileyeagle1021]

He did at least address the latter half of that. I do wish he had more emphasized just how many ships were on those shipping routes and how close they typically were (and as we found out, how close the California was). I'm more irritated that in all the discussion of why the California didn't reply to distress calls, he never brought up the fact that the radio operator otherwise would have been on duty at the time, but took off early because the radio operator on Titanic was hogging the airwaves with passenger messages to be relayed to people on shore and he wasn't going to be able to get any communications done anyway.

[@mitchellcotton7346]

​@@smileyeagle1021Titanic operators weren't hogging the airwaves by transmitting passenger messages... That was Marconi operators main job. Delivering passenger Marconigrams (Telegrams), which was why most shops only had a single operator. They weren't expected to work around the clock or to monitor for distress calls. Even Carpathia's wireless operator was about to go to bed when he heard the distress call from Titanic.

[@robfreeman5783]

WOW... a lot I had no idea about. The lifeboat rationale, the porthole issue, the stokers escaping, the 3rd class gates being opened. Great job.

[@MadSniper553]

he doesnt know what hes talking about. expert my arse

[@michaelshakesby9413]

I would say Tim Maltin should make sure that when he uses the word "expert" that he should really knows his stuff. There are some things he says in this video that are misleading and at worse speculation stated as fact. For those who would like a better and more reliable take on the Titanic disaster I would recommend the book On a Sea of Glass as a good starting point. Everything therein is backed up by testimonies and evidence, infact Tim should buy a copy.

[@mymindness]

I could listen to Tim Maltin talk about this topic and time period all day. I watched his other History Hit video and found it equally as interesting. Thank you for sharing this knowledge in such an engaging way.

[@brendonmcmorrow3886]

I agree. He knows his stuff and his enthusiasm for his subject is quite infectious.

[@sba8710]

What was his other video?

[@mymindness]

@@sba8710 It’s on this channel and titled “Expert Answers Google’s Most Popular Questions About the Titanic” or something similar to that. It’s from a couple of weeks ago.

[@joshuasingleton9373]

​@sba8710 on here he did a most asked questions about the titanic

[@BanditSlots]

He’s far from an expert. For someone who calls themselves a leading expert on the Titanic. He should have known something incredibly beginner that Bruce Ismay did not own the White Star Line.

[@pladampa]

I love th snl skit with Bill Paxton and James Camerons alternate ending where everyone starts beating up old lady Rose, including her daughter.

[@thedavidjwschmidt]

This guy is so wrong on so many things, I don't know where to start! Jack Thayer was not the basis for Jack Dawson. Thayer was traveling first class with his parents. He father was second vice-president of the Pennsylvania Railroad. No evidence that Murdoch killed himself. And on and on....

[@robperkins2085]

I'm normally a fan of HH shows but this one was a fail - the so-called expert was wrong on way too many points. Disappointing. There are quite a number of better videos to watch which do provide actual facts regarding the Titanic - Ocean Liner Designs is an exceptionally good one.

[@jonproctor3739]

@robperkins2085 Yea...have to agree with too much being innccurate. Even things that were known quite some time ago aren't covered correctly in this video. Regardless of any fairly recent conclusions drawn. Such as apparently the ship actually broke in half on it's 2.5 mile trip to the bottom and not before slipping under the surface as the "story" has always been.

[@delerics21]

Too may mistakes from an "expert".

[@onceamusician5408]

this story has perennial and profound fascination, so it is both fitting and necessary that there be experts to give reasoned commentary on the event given the emergence of error and mythology. thanks for this. even though i am not a hard core serous titanic buff i do tome back to the story every few years or so

[@anandmorris]

True fact: Did you know it was Rose's ridiculous hat that caught the wind and blew Titanic into the iceberg. No steering from the crew could compensate. Rose not only killed Jack, she killed 1500 other too.

[@maxonite]

The comments tearing apart this "experts" claims is my favorite thing. Seriously, anyone can claim to be an expert in something, and this channel picked someone who is clearly not equipped to comment on this movie

[@Darilon12]

I find myself coming back regularly to read the comments 😂

[@TheFarmerfitz]

It is not confirmed or certain which officer committed suicide after shooting a passenger. May believe it was not Murdock.

[@theunintelligentlydesigned4931]

I have heard other Titanic experts that completely disagree with you. Andrews did throw floating things into the sea but it is documented that he took a break just as depicted in the film. The only question is how long of a break did he take.

[@ship_wreck_d3349]

If this guy is a "Titanic Expert", I'm a self proclaimed Explosive Ordinance Disposal Expert.

[@user-yv4lb8kt7m]

We need our friends Mike Brady and Historic Travels, Sam. To see this. The movie also mentioned RMS Mauretania and RMS Olympic makes a brief cameo on the ticket that Jack and his friend got from the gamble.

[@tygrubb]

I applaud them in their Sisyphean task of debunking the sort of gross errors and misinformation such that presented in this video. I can only imagine that Sam from @HistoricTravels will have as nearly (and rightfully!) large an aneurysm from this video as he did from Bright Side’s.

[@user-yv4lb8kt7m]

@@tygrubb Oh Yeah, I remember Sam roasting the heck alot of Bright Side, even screaming sometimes.

[@baliyae]

Personally, I didn’t mind the inaccuracies. It was a great movie and still is.

[@karynfolland4267]

That was very interesting, thank you

[@ryantimm9748]

As interesting as it may be, he gave a lot of completely wrong information.

[@billiebuffalo]

Congratulation, you found an expert that is not actually an expert 😂

[@tnetinycreations]

7:08; In case you don't know, the young woman behind Bruce Ismay and Captain Smith recalled their conversation about speeding up Titanic so she could get to New York faster. At the time after Titanic's sinking, the real woman told the publishers she just happened to overhear the conversation. That's quite an interesting fact!

[@federicoperi6806]

True! I found it weird that the historian didn't mention this piece of information

[@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid]

@@federicoperi6806 This guy's no historian. lol He'd be put to shame by pretty much ANY amateur fanatic. Absolute con job calling himself an expert.

[@miniadler]

It.Is.NOT.a.door.....

[@depressedpebbles]

When I watched the film for the first time, I was surprised at how intense and sad it was. Obviously the real life event was terrible and tragic, but I didn't think Cameron would go there. It is a really tense and terrifying film.

[@head19821]

Jack Thayer was a first class passenger don’t think jack Dawson was based on him

[@jilliansmaniotto2326]

@@P0sitive_vibes_0nly what

[@emmalarson07]

I was immediately thrown when he said that Olympic and Titanic were twice the size of the next-largest ships. RMS Mauretania from the Cunard Line, launched in 1906, was 790 feet long with 8 decks and Titanic was 882 feet long with 9 decks. Even in tonnage Mauretania was 31k GRT and Titanic was 46k GRT. Not exactly twice as large.

[@TyFree1993]

I would watch Oceanliner Designs' video about the movie. It's a great video

[@IreneWY]

Friends of Mike always lurking in the comments of other Titanic videos 😅

[@TyFree1993]

@IreneWY haha while I am a friend of Mike Brady I just love the titanic

[@LucasMoore88]

Yes they did bring it up toward the end. You must have missed that part the telegrapher was talking to captain Smith and they mention the Californian being nearby but the telogragher went to sleep.

[@danijelujcic8644]

Californian WAS indeed featured in a deleted scene.

[@xxMary89xx]

Yes, and that Japanese man he mentioned too.

[@BamBamBigelow..]

Titanic is YT gold, some guys whole channels are based on it. Edit: Collier, I need to you to row this lifeboat….Yes, Sir!!!!!

[@Karl_Jayce]

Like oceanliner designs guy..

[@AndrewGriffiths]

@HistoryHit, speaking as a subscriber, please stop using this guy. Much of this is out of date, misleading, mistaken, or just wrong. It is not at all well documented what happened to Murdoch, the baker was Charles Joughin, not Jocelyn. What has Jack Thayer got to do with Jack Dawson? I'm not sure how much open portholes had to do with things on such a cold night, his suggested angle of breakup seems very, very shallow.

[@miniadler]

The open portholes were a thing on Britannic, not so much on Titanic i guess :D

[@meghanmonroe]

Imagine waking up on the Californian and realizing what happened in the night right beside you. I'd feel like a permanent f up. Great video! This guy is super engaging.

[@samuel10125]

Titanic expert literally know nothing the channel Ocean Liner Design contradicts alot of what he said.

[@YgorCortes]

There's absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Murdoch shot someone NOR himself. This was disappointing.

[@jameswoodfinden6562]

Lightoller was the man who denied this but during the enquiry it was shown he could not have seen Murdoch from where he was, plus he was said to have told captain James Mcgiffin that he did indeed unalive himself and another passenger. Theres a chance it was someone else, but when passenger testimony is looked into there's a lot that suggests it was him. Lightoller just wanted to protect Murdochs widow.

[@ripdimebag42]

This guy calls himself an expert but a bunch of this is nonsense.

[@ScottM436]

I was going to comment about this "expert," but I see you guys have it covered. Lol.

[@leelishman7137]

Was the suction a bigger issue when trying to get clear? I've heard somewhere once clear by about 100ft,not so?

[@davinp]

Lightholler misinterpreted Captain Smith's order of Women and Children FIRST as Women and Children ONLY

[@ryanmcwilliams8784]

10:24 if captain smith was still awake and acting as captain he probably would have immediately shouted “ Reform the line! Reform the line! Take it head on! Charge!” But that’s just my theory

[@535phobos]

And then the whole crew cried "Deeeaaaath!"

[@xxMary89xx]

Hahahaha Bernard Hill is the only actor to star in two of the three films that won 11 oscars.

[@ryanmcwilliams8784]

@@xxMary89xx He looked at the iceberg and said “ Is this all you can conjure icebergmaun?” I could do this all day I bet lmao

[@jennasaltsman]

idc if a lot of his information is false, i love his voice lol

[@FionaTGray]

Can you do a video on The Mary Celeste?

[@fionasmall4384]

Still gets to me so sad 😢

[@sba8710]

I agree. So many things went wrong that could have been avoided.

[@jdouleia]

Love this guy but wasn’t it 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink? He says 2 hours and 20 minutes.

[@jackiekreutzer166]

Yes, it was 2 hours and 40 min. And in another video I watched a few weeks ago, this same historian says 2 hours and 20 min multiple times!!

[@Spacekriek]

13:10 ... Jack: that's a nice big ice cube...

[@maryroberts2099]

I’ve gone to the Titanic museums in MO and TN-very interesting

[@JWRogersPS]

"I'm one one of the world's leading experts on the Titanic" I've been involved with the Titanic history community for over 30 years, and I've never heard of you. (Quickly Googles the name.) Oh... THOSE books. The ones real Titanic historians laugh at.

[@federicoperi6806]

same here, only I'd never even heard of his books!

[@alexanderholloway7110]

So much misinformation in one place I thought I was listening to mainstream news

[@1532JJ]

What this summary misses in it's summation of the iceberg collision is, the suggestion that Murdoch ordering the engines to reverse actually hindered the ship from turning, as the central turbine and screw couldn't be reversed and so had to be stopped. Had he maintained the forward course and kept the screws turning, it's possible the ship would have avoided the iceberg with feet to spare.

[@sidneyrosey]

What’s your Roman Empire? Me: Titanic

[@ManuTheGreat79]

To me the coolest part of the movie is the start. When hube pistons are moving, the furnaces...

[@fotograf736]

Make a whole movie out of those engines. They are works of art.

[@helenagackowska8398]

love this!

[@sifridbassoon]

After reading a few comments, thanks guys for keeping me from wasting my time. 😃

[@rachelh6826]

I remember playing a computer game called "Titanic: Adventure in Time" in which one of the tasks was to get the Rubiyat off of the ship.

[@calebgoodman8729]

Titanic: Adventure Out of Time is my favorite computer game. Wish I still had it

[@nriab23]

Should have gotten the titanic honour and glory guys on, at this point they're perhaps the leading experts.

[@Andreyas-ou7fq]

Isn't this a re-upload?

[@debrickashaw9387]

I was thinking the same thing. It is definitely a reupload

[@cleverusername9369]

No, but they have another recent video where Mr Maltin discusses the internet's most commonly asked questions re: the Titanic. It differs from this video in that here he's strictly reacting to the 1997 movie. Not a re-upload, just similar.

[@cleverusername9369]

​@@debrickashaw9387 it's definitely not a re-upload.

[@Andreyas-ou7fq]

Haha yes 😅. I had a Déja vu.​@@cleverusername9369

[@JG-op4de]

Interesting point about reviving those who are found frozen. I read that emergency room doctors when dealing with hypothermia victims (i recall a case of a child found at the bottom of a pool) will gently warm the body up and only then declare death if still no response. You won't be declared dead when cold and lifeless until you're warm and lifeless.

[@patricklena9062]

The new four k restoration of this film is absolutely amazing. They Put a lot of work into the detail of this movie and honestly, it looks as though it was filmed yesterday. Absolutely. Gorgeous, and welcome to such a great movie

[@chriscann7627]

Titanic "expert"???! Not if you believe di Caprio's character was based on First Class passenger Jack Thayer. They have NOTHING in common apart from their first names!

[@delbertgrady5288]

Not a titanic expert at all. He got loads of things wrong

[@trekkiejunk]

There's actually a deleted scene from the film that shows Jack trying to get on the door with Rose, and realizing it won't support them both. Only a brief snippet of that remains in the film, and it's hard to tell that the door was rejecting both of them together.

[@ryantimm9748]

Contrary to popular belief and misconception, it was not a door. It was an intricately carved piece of wood from ABOVE the door to the first-class lounge that could be accessed just off the grand staircase on A deck. :)

[@victorpulis5113]

The picture of the Carpathia at 35:54 shows the ship in Malta's Grand Harbour in the Mediterranean.

[@sahrazad8213]

What a great video. More like this please

[@jkephart4624]

Even as a younger teen always thought rose to be smart for asking Andrews. I know its a nod to a night to remember. But still gave her character a little bit more intelligence

[@rossbooth4635]

Ok... I JUST NOTICED that Captain Smith was played by the same actor as Theoden, King of Rohan...

[@rachelh6826]

The SS Californian actually was mentioned in the film. Sadly, it was a deleted scene, which very much should have been kept in. But you can find that scene easily online.