One of my pet peeves about movies is that they will often have two characters having private conversations in what appears to be a public setting, but the public is apparently deaf or lacks ears. It drives me nuts. Sometime's they're literally talking about the guy who's standing three feet away.
@pappy3742 жыл бұрын
Me too. I also hate the opposite thing movies do where two people are talking at a normal volume despite being on the opposite side of the room to each other, or are at a loud place such as a club or factory or something..
@CirquedJoy2 жыл бұрын
@@pappy374 Right, if that were real life at least one person would be screaming "WHAT?" over and over until they decide to leave.
@CirquedJoy2 жыл бұрын
@@cheesecake2545 I'm not talking about the framing. I'm talking about when a character will physically grab another characters arm, walk two steps, and then talk about the character they just dragged them away from.
@reamick2 жыл бұрын
Plays have characters giving asides to the audience, and the other characters somehow never hear it, either. I guess that drives you crazy, too.
@CirquedJoy2 жыл бұрын
@@reamick theater is different
@melenatorr2 жыл бұрын
In "Shakespeare in Love", the fact of women not being allowed on stage is not only acknowledged, but it's a main prop of the plot: Viola disguises herself as a boy in order to join the acting troupe, and many complications ensue from there, including how she actually ends up performing. The script, in which Tom Stoppard was heavily involved, is intelligent and and historically aware, including in its liberties. I think you should take back that debit because the entire story hinges on Viola working against the ban on women on stage.
@katherinegilks38802 жыл бұрын
But she is very obviously female here. One of those guys at the front would have noticed that she had real breasts. This is the climax of the film, so understandably some creative licence is allowed, but it still stretches credibility. Considering how this story treats Anne Hathaway as a throwaway line and makes Shakespeare out to be a womanising cad, her review was surprisingly favourable.
@CraftyWanderess2 жыл бұрын
I think she is only watching the clips, not the whole movie, which also acknowledges that he has a wife.
@GotLostProductions2 жыл бұрын
@@katherinegilks3880 Yeah, but they DO actually address this, because even if everyone can see she's a woman, Queen Elizabeth (her being incognito at the theatre is probably the least realistic thing tbh) says in front of everyone "yes the illusion is remarkable..." and affirms Viola's male identity. I don't think ANYONE in that room actually BELIEVES it, but once the Queen has said it, NOBODY in that room is going to argue with her in that moment. It's Queen Elizabeth's way of neatly getting everyone out of a sticky situation so that Viola and the theatre company don't have to face any consequences from Tilney and his censorship squad enforcers. Which may not be entirely realistic, but as a variation on the Deus Ex Machina device Shakespeare himself used to solve many of his plot problems easily and quickly, Queen Appears and Says It's All Okay is pretty effective! And in a movie that pays homage to Shakespeare and theatre tropes so thoroughly, I'll totally accept this one, too.
@sarasamaletdin45742 жыл бұрын
The point is that she is a woman and the audience would have noticed immediately and the play would not have ever really continued until end. She knew where the movie was filmed so she knows about the basic plot. Also personally, does anyone else think it’s funny how Viola apparently was able to put her huge long blonde hair beneath a boy wig? Paltrow clearly just removed the blond wig and put on another with a modern bald cap first. It just takes me out of her costume changes even though it’s just such a little thing!
@melenatorr2 жыл бұрын
@@sarasamaletdin4574 Well, not necessarily: the stage is a kind of magical location: I attended a play about the Brontes, in which there were two actors. Emily and Anne were represented briefly by two containers of water carried from one side of the stage to the other and poured empty, while the actor playing Papa Bronte lamented their deaths. The audience was completely caught up and gasped when the water was poured out. It made no sense, but the illusion was real so the audience bought it. If the story and presentation is strong enough, the audience may very well have been distracted from reality.
@kevinnorwood87822 жыл бұрын
Was REALLY hoping she'd take a look at the Showtime series, "The Tudors" with Jonathan Rhys Meyers.
@illithidlore2 жыл бұрын
They gotta save something for the sequel.
@szczurek27252 жыл бұрын
I don't think she'd survive it. It's SO bad smh
@mdiddio2 жыл бұрын
That's like a whole video on its own, and it would be all red X's. 😂
@nicoleashleyknox2 жыл бұрын
So good! I was fact checking the whole time I was watching! Lots of creative liberties, but still so so good!
@gemstonesparkle79152 жыл бұрын
And The Borgias as well!
@4Mr.Crowley22 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth loved dancing - yet another similarity she shared with her mother Anne Boleyn. The fact that Good Queen Bess allegedly carried a miniature of her mother’s likeness until her own death has always broken my heart.
@0308frank2 жыл бұрын
I don't wanna be a downer but there's no evidence the redish-blond woman in the miniature was meant to be Anne Boleyn. Elizabeth could never develop an emotional connection to her mother as she grew up in an own household and saw Anne only a few times until she was executed when Elizabeth was not even 3 years old. It's more likely it showed a woman she had an emotional connection with, for example Catherine Parr (face and hair color would fit), Cat Ashley - or Elizabeth herself in a younger stage of her life.
@allshookup16402 жыл бұрын
I love how genetics kind of work in that way. How Elizabeth may have had some traits of her mother’s without ever REALLY knowing her. She died when she was so young, yet sometimes acted as her mother. I love when you hear about that with just any people that they act like a parent or show traits of a parent they never got to know. I just think it’s sweet.
@cw9007 Жыл бұрын
@@0308frank The face and hair colour fit Anne perfectly. There is no evidence Anne had dark hair, it's just a myth that keeps getting repeated. It would make more sense if she had fair hair, as is also depicted in the Holbein sketch.
@neilalam127 Жыл бұрын
Anne deserves a pardon and to be buried with Elizabeth
@kwill843 ай бұрын
@@neilalam127Elizabeth would never have done that. It would be a very poor political decision. Also Ann was nasty to Mary and had no problem separating Mary and Catherine. She wanted Mary to be her lady maid Also Mary and Elizabeth are entombed together kinda awkward for Mary to be buried with her evil stepmother.
@MegaMesozoic2 жыл бұрын
Apart from everything else, I do like Cate Blanchett's portrayal of Elizabeth!
@windycityliz77112 жыл бұрын
But the (far too many) historical inaccuracies are soooo irritating.
@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet2 жыл бұрын
Cate is great 👍
@annaelisavettavonnedozza96072 жыл бұрын
She was amazing
@allshookup16402 жыл бұрын
Cate Blanchett is excellence personified. She is just perfection.
@Little-Dude2 жыл бұрын
Honestly the historical accuracies aren't that glaring imo. They just mess with the timing of things. Otherwise I think the artistic liberties are fine, especially with the amazing talents of the director and Cate Blanchett. The first Elizabeth movie is a classic.
@Sky-ps9ev2 жыл бұрын
There are sources to say that Anne’s ladies and the crowd did weep due to the fact that she died with dignity , it wears also a huge shock to the country that a queen would actually be executed . There are sources that Ann kept looking around to see if there would be a last minute pardon and historians suggest that even master Kingston had not prepared a proper coffin to place her body in after death because no one actually believe that she would be executed until it was too late . It had never been done before and most did believe it was a power play by Henry and that she would be pardoned and sent to a convent . Also I’ve read a few comments on here and I really wish that history classes stopped using the other Boleyn girl as a tool to teach history . It’s perhaps the most inaccurate depiction of Tudor history and characters out there and the fact that schools allow this to be shown as factual is so disappointing . I honestly think , though it has its own inaccuracies , that the tudors tv show is a better example to use in history lessons . I was actually impressed by the small details it got right that other films and series either got wrong or completely ignored , like Ann discovering Henry and Jane together and blaming this for her miscarriage. I know Hollywood will always want to dramatise but I think most of the time the truth is even more fantastical and interesting so I’m not sure why films seem to either play it down or just ignore facts
@Alejojojo62 жыл бұрын
No they arent. I trust this woman, who is a historian, more than a random person on the internet.
@Sky-ps9ev2 жыл бұрын
@@Alejojojo6 ahhhh you must be one of those internet people who just like to piss on everyone else I’ve heard about . Can I ask how you don’t know I’m not a historian ? Have you done your own research ? No ? Didn’t think so . Thank you for your pointless comment though , it’s always fun
@Sky-ps9ev2 жыл бұрын
@@Alejojojo6 also check your spelling before posting in future
@goddesshestia8082 жыл бұрын
Her execution was private
@xxwhispersxx28562 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the only accuracy of the Other Boleyn girl I thought was the costumes. The costumes were right on, especially with the hoods and head pieces.
@kevinnorwood87822 жыл бұрын
Yeah, after watching the scene of Anne's execution, I can safely say Natalie Dormer did a FAR better job than Natalie Portman did.
@A-G-A-G2 жыл бұрын
But the best is Claire foy by a long shot
@danaglabeman69192 жыл бұрын
@@A-G-A-G Claire Foy's acting was lovely, but I can't get over those big blue eyes! Anne's most famous feature were her black eyes. Just a little thing but it bugs me.
@autumnpeacock41562 жыл бұрын
Natalie Portman followed her script… She was told to cry - she didn’t just get up there and act scared simply because she wanted to 😅
@divinemissem56772 жыл бұрын
No one is going to mention Genevieve Bujold?
@davidtownsend60922 жыл бұрын
Much better
@helkatww3992 Жыл бұрын
I was surprised to hear her say that the women who accompanied Anne Boleyn to her execution would not have wept because they didn't like her very much. There is a famous contemporary account of those same women refusing to allow any of the men to touch Anne's body after her death, insisting instead that they themselves carry the corpse (and presumably the head) to the arrow box which became her coffin. This has led many historians to believe that these woman were actually very emotionally attached to Anne, and therefore probably different women to those who attended her in the tower, women that she referred to as her enemies.
@JK-sh8rc Жыл бұрын
I've read that too. Most of the contemporary accounts were written by men who hated her or were written so long after her execution that they're not first hand accounts and instead relied heavily on gossip and innuendo.
@elj0206 ай бұрын
They still wouldn't have cried in public during those times, maybe afterwards
@charlottebruce979Ай бұрын
Just seeing an execution would have been emotionally draining, plus a woman they would have known well being brutally murdered, of course they would cry, it's in contemporary accounts.
@justinehelene48312 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure there are accounts that Anne's gentle women did cry as they were so moved by the way she handled herself at her execution. Even though they were appointed attendants who were not supposed to have behaved kindly to her. I think that's why it has been remarked upon in some historical accounts?
@graphiquejack2 жыл бұрын
there's some thought that she was granted ladies at her execution that were more friendly towards her, but it's still possible that the hostile women who spied on her for Kingston and Cromwell were just moved by the shock of a woman who was recently considered their queen be brutally murdered in front of them, and by her dignity at facing her death with courage.
@renshiwu3052 жыл бұрын
I saw a trailer for _Mary Queen of Scots_ and my first thought was, "You know, Mary should really have a French accent because she was raised in that country from a young age." And then I saw the black lord and the Chinese Bess of Hardwick and I thought, "Oh, the producers aren't concerned with historical accuracy."
@romainvicta30762 жыл бұрын
the sad thing is some child will know no better and actually end up believing these people were black. Its modern brainwashing
@romainvicta30762 жыл бұрын
@@cbear9263 It's because all media based courses in university teach this ideology - Which then goes on to affect the real world media as well as the Government. It is primarily of left wing political spectrum which is involved in identities being malluable and not set in stone (which history is set in stone). It is why after different genders being accepted socially it now moves onto actual history . It's a very unhealthy thing to do for cultural strength and something you wont see done say in africa with a white man playing a african king. It's a type of racial sado masochism (the racists pretending to be anti racists etc). People who feel guilty for being white - is a trend. Despite Black slavery against whites existing- The Barbary slave trade involved african slavers kidnapping native british people and selling them in Africa - They do not teach this history and so people have a biased view on the past as if one race needs to be punished more than others.
@possumaintdead2 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression that the idea is if the actors are good enough we aren’t supposed to pay attention to their skin color, or at the very least say “what a good actor, they were a good choice despite the racial disparity.” That being said, they will never cast an asian or caucasian person as Martin Luther King.
@romainvicta30762 жыл бұрын
@@possumaintdead I agree with where you come from - i didnt really have much of an issue with a african lady playing a actor in a shakespeare play at the globe theatre. But it definetely took me out of the immersion - I think a distinction needs to be made if a show is historical - or a dramatisation of a period. Because it was a dramatisation I didn't have a big issue with it - but in the case of a show called anne B it definetely is a modern thing not done before . I think its important for children to teach the true representation to avoid confusion . unless explicity a dramatisation i.e like shakespeare
@GreenJoker71312 жыл бұрын
@@romainvicta3076 what confusion? i'm sorry but i'm not particularly concerned with the fact that a 7 year old thinks Anne Boleyn was black. most people don't know jack shit about tudor history anyway, and in the off-chance that child grows up to study it then they'll know that she was white then. it's not like the world is going to shift on its axis every time someone learns that Anne Boleyn was white. what's the big deal?
@j.leeedwards27802 жыл бұрын
If you watch all of Shakespeare in Love, the fact that Viola is a woman playing Juliet is not only explained, but leads to a great quote by QEI. Also, his marriage is mentioned earlier in the movie.
@kaseythornton81552 жыл бұрын
I agree. The fact that she's a woman on the stage is a major plotpoint.
@nobunaga2402 жыл бұрын
Yes I wonder if she’s really watched this film as the whole driving force of the plot is a woman trying to act a female role which was banned, and further, her class would have made it out of the question too. I am surprised she did not comment on judi dench as queen elizabeth in her older years as the lines she is given are quite plausible - a woman in man’s world etc
@angusfairtheoir2 жыл бұрын
It's clear that she's only reviewing the individual scenes she's being shown,
@blindoutlaw2 жыл бұрын
“That woman, is a woman!” I always giggle like an idiot at that line in the film
@TheBc992 жыл бұрын
I feel like whoever the producer was should have clarified this
@terrijohnston802 жыл бұрын
Has she really never seen Shakespeare in Love? The women-not-allowed-on-stage rule is not overlooked, it’s a major plot point. Other than this I appreciate all her other comments and commentary.
@emilycupcakegirl3672 жыл бұрын
The tittle says they just showed her scenes. So maybe they didn’t tell her the plot of the movie and just showed her some scenes.
@PomegranateStaindGrn2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! How is she entirely unfamiliar with this movie? Ridiculous and renders her commentary irrelevant.
@sullasfavouriteproscriptee2 жыл бұрын
@@PomegranateStaindGrn She's rating it based on historical accuracy, not based on the movie plot. And a women on stage is historically inaccurate. How are you entirely unfamiliar with this history. Ridiculous and renders your commentary irrelevant.
@PomegranateStaindGrn2 жыл бұрын
@@sullasfavouriteproscriptee so, I guess you haven’t seen the film either.
@peggedyourdad95602 жыл бұрын
@@PomegranateStaindGrn The entire point of this series is her reviewing clips from various shows/movies she hasn't watched based on their historical accuracy. She's not rating the entire thing.
@rosswiseman59912 жыл бұрын
2:10 I can actually answer this one! Mini ice age! The previous winter froze the Thames, and in 1536 winter was late in receding and this is early morning. It probably was pretty cold. Also Tudor nobles lined their clothes in fur as much as possible anyway.
@florenciabalori36252 жыл бұрын
that's what I thought too!
@dsdgjj2 жыл бұрын
not to mention we literally know what anne was wearing at her execution and it included a short fur cloak like the one shown in the other boleyn girl!!
@manuela_esse2 жыл бұрын
very strange that a historian didn't know that the little ice age went on from around the 13th century up until the 1850s or so...
@ailsadixon4082 жыл бұрын
This is entirely what I thought
@annjohnson61932 жыл бұрын
I lived in Germany for a while. One year in may and June I was still wearing a jacket and a turtle neck sweater.
@Laramaria22 жыл бұрын
"The other Boleyn girl" is a nice movie, but it is so unbelievable inaccurate. When we watched it on the classroom, we were watching to discuss about the reformation of the church but my teacher asked me to leave because I was constantly saying "that's not what happened... That's not right... That's inaccurate... That's dumb..." 🤣
@nicoleashleyknox2 жыл бұрын
Hilarious!
@s6r2312 жыл бұрын
TBH I'd have done the same as you. I haven't watched that movie in years but the inaccuracy of it is insane. Also sometimes you find with movies like this that the costuming saves it, but not in this case! Not with Anne and Mary wearing french hoods that look like headbands half the time.
@kenna1632 жыл бұрын
That is hilarious
@Laramaria22 жыл бұрын
@@s6r231 OMG I forgot the headbands 😂
@samanthal1332 жыл бұрын
So sit down with your teacher see if she or he could of shown a accurate depiction of this subject. My mom was a woman studies teacher and world cultures teacher. You’re teacher should of know far better to show that one but to voice this in this manner, not so nice
@rachelconsoli84282 жыл бұрын
“Joseph Fiennes is quite fit though” 100% accurate 🤣❤️
@sabeaniebaby2 жыл бұрын
I thought she called him Jason.
@GoGreen19772 жыл бұрын
I think he made a very dashing Robert Dudley and pretty much portrayed a young Robert as I could picture him. But the movie plot ultimately did a major disservice to Dudley's reputation.
@chocho80362 жыл бұрын
@@sabeaniebaby yes she did
@John-tj9to2 жыл бұрын
That is historically accurate.
@GoodbyeCruelWorld7 ай бұрын
Can’t see him the same after Handmaid
@OcarinaSapphr-2 жыл бұрын
I did read somewhere that Marie de Guise wrote to her daughter’s governess, to ensure that she ‘did not lose her Scots’ tongue’- which might imply that she might actually have spoken Scots, but with a French accent (which would not surprise me, given that a fair portion of the Scottish Court were part French, to a greater or lesser degree at that time). I believe the _Elizabeth I_ mini-series with Helen Mirren was more accurate with the Tilbury Speech, & the costume.
@soniamacdonald91932 жыл бұрын
'Tongue' means language, rather than accent, I would suggest. However, Mary's maids and governess during her childhood in France were Scotswomen, so it's not completely unlikely that she would have had a hint of Scots when speaking English.
@theshadowling12 жыл бұрын
@@soniamacdonald9193 Ehh, not really. Mary hated Scotland. She desperately loved France, and had been raised there entirely. She was accused of being too french by her Scottish enemies
@Andreaalvarcila2 жыл бұрын
@@theshadowling1 She was but she didn't "hate" Scotland lol she loved her people. OBVIOUSLY her enemies would use that, but it's not fair at all to say she hated Scotland. Also, she DID spoke Scots
@Andreaalvarcila2 жыл бұрын
She did speak Scots, BUT she didn't speak English which is the funny part. So technically it wouldn't be accurate for her to speak English at all, but we can't hold that against them.
@Andreaalvarcila2 жыл бұрын
@@soniamacdonald9193 She didn't speak English. She wrote with Elizabeth in French. She spoke Scots and Elizabeth spoke English so French was common ground.
@sandrabriones98822 жыл бұрын
In the Two Queens, the meeting of Mari and Elizabeth turned out to be a dream Elizabeth had and in Shakespeare in Love, Viola was pretending to be a man dressed as a woman. The producers of this video should have mention this to the expert
@yevgeniyaleshchenko8496 ай бұрын
What ''two queens''? She revised Mary, Queen of Scots, and the meeting wasn't portrayed as a dream in that film...
@con.troller41832 жыл бұрын
I read that Elizabeth did an hour or so of vigorous dance (basically aerobics) every morning until middle age. Galliards, with lots of leaping in the air and crossing the ankles multiple times. And she made her ladies join her which many hated.
@nuthinmuffins50732 жыл бұрын
Oh and to anyone who loves this sort of video: I highly recommend Claire Ridgeway’s channel, The Anne Boleyn Files, as well her likewise titled website, and the series of books she’s written about Anne Boleyn and the Tudors. She doesn’t just focus on Anne, but also goes into extensive detail about the history surrounding her and the Tudor dynasty. She’s very diligent about being accurate. You can literally learn at least one new fact every day by following her research.
@One.DeSanctis.2 жыл бұрын
Claire Ridgeway has an excellent YT channel. The fact that she writes historical non-fiction books makes her Tudor videos both historically accurate and filled with information.
@annjohnson61932 жыл бұрын
I love Claire’s videos.
@0308frank2 жыл бұрын
Claire is a blessing indeed :)
@Cypresssina8 ай бұрын
She is wonderful!
@danaglabeman69192 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit surprised that a professional Tudor historian would insist Mary Stuart wouldn't have had a Scottish accent. Mary spoke Scots and French as a child but learned English a bit later. Randolph, Queen Elizabeth's ambassador to the Scottish court, sent back a dispatch saying he offered to speak French with Mary but she wanted to improve her English in preparation for, in her mind, her inevitable succession of Elizabeth. She spoke broken English but definitely with a brogue: Randolph's exact words were she spoke "haltingly, but with a pretty Scots accent." The problem with Mary's English here is not the accent, but the fluency: she didn't speak it that well. It actually annoys me when they give Mary a French accent, thinking they're being accurate. It's the worst in the HBO Elizabeth, because every other physical detail about Mary Stuart in that is ABSOLUTELY on point, and they go and give her a French accent when she speaks English!
@jomc67342 жыл бұрын
Mary was raised in France from the time she was about 6 years. I think that is why many people believe she had a French accent. And she didn't say she spoke with a French accent. She said they didn't think she had a Scots accent.
@juliecopelandbarrows29712 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Mary raised in France? That's why Stewart is spelled Stuart.
@potato67852 жыл бұрын
@@jomc6734 That’s the thing though, this is meant to be an “expert” - it’s strange she’s opine on something she doesn’t know, and if we are to accept that she thought she knew, it’s weird she’s unaware of one of the few primary sources about Mary Queen of Scots..
@martinpettersson48282 жыл бұрын
@@jomc6734 Dr. Nicola Tallis said - ".. she probably had a french accent rather than a Scots one". Clearly, a statement indicating Mary had a french accent.. well, probably.
@Blokewood32 жыл бұрын
I think complaining about accents in historical films is often misplaced. In all these movies, Elizabeth is speaking with a Received Pronunciation accent, about 250 years before it would have sounded like that.
@marijeangalloway15602 жыл бұрын
Okay, here's the thing: you really can't go after "Shakespeare In Love" the way you go after purportedly historical films like the others, because it is so obviously and openly a fantasy (though it really was very accurate in period details, as you note). Also, you cannot actually have watched the movie, or you would know that Gwyneth Paltrow's character actually being a woman who is a last-minute replacement for the boy who is supposed to play Juliet IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL AS IT IS INTEGRAL TO THE PLOT! Indeed, it gave Simon Callow as Master of Revels his best outraged line: "That woman IS A WOMAN!" So the brilliant playwright Tom Stoppard, who wrote this, and everyone else involved with this film, knew perfectly well that women's roles were performed by young male actors; as I said, this knowledge is the premise on which the entire plot of the film is based. You should watch it; it won all kinds of awards, including the Oscar for best picture.
@jgw54912 жыл бұрын
And it was such a good riff on the theatre convention that Shakespeare used to great effect in various comedies. In *As You Like It* Rosalind's epilogue breaks the fourth wall by speaking to the audience as the actor who had played the heroine, who had played a young man, now as a "woman" giving the epilogue who then says that If he WERE a woman s/he would kiss all the beards that pleased her. Whew! "Shakespeare in Love" was pretty darned Shakespearean!
@B.Arthur2 жыл бұрын
It’s extremely jarring to see someone tout Shakespeare in Love’s Oscar win as a positive (or appropriate) thing, or even as a reflection of the film’s quality itself. It’s fine to like the film, I get the appeal for sure, but from a historical perspective it’s extremely disingenuous to assert that it deserved most (if any) of the Oscars it won. That films’ Oscar record, including most notably its defeat of Saving Private Ryan for Best Picture, is arguably one of the most disgraceful moments in modern Academy history. It is also, inarguably, all Harvey Weinstein’s fault. The results of the 1999 Oscars were entirely due to his characteristically over-aggressive campaigning, as well as Miramax’s deliberate manipulation of media narratives and a high profile smear-campaign against the competition. Many of the techniques Weinstein refined during the ‘99 season became staples of his practice and allowed him to consistently dominate the Academy Awards in a way no one Producer had since the height of the Studio system - which, obviously, also afforded him the power and influence he used to continue his reign of terror as a sexual predator, (including harassing Gwyneth Paltrow during the making of Shakespeare in Love). Unsurprisingly, many of these tactics were also explicitly against Academy rules. They would even put Weinstein on notice the very next year, after the press revealed that he’d very clearly (and deliberately) broken rules about throwing parties with both Oscar voters and nominees in attendance. These two videos do a great job of breaking down the techniques Weinstein used to game the Oscars, using his campaign’s for 1999’s Shakespeare in Love, and also 2002’s Chicago, The Hours, and Frida, as case studies. I cannot recommend them highly enough, this is THE best classic film channel on KZbin. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKXMmXyKobV0pJY m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGWqp5iZe89_obc
@fasterpussycatkillkill96502 жыл бұрын
It won over Saving Private Ryan. That still hurts.
@ivanjednobiegowiec76562 жыл бұрын
hmmm... But isn't the point of this video assessing historical accuracy of given motion picture in the light of Tudorean Era realities? Nothing to do with plot or it's integrity. Just pure: woman would not be on the stage and acting. Red X. Cheers! I. PS I haven't watched it either.
@bonnieblue-blade73762 жыл бұрын
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@rayn05772 жыл бұрын
The best portrayal of Anne Boleyn I’ve seen is Geneviève Bujold in Anne of the Thousand Days. She’s young and at first a bit naive, but also intelligent and self-assured. Like all movies, it does take liberties, but those liberties are done in service to the characters. The best scene of the film is a meeting between Anne and Henry after she’s been imprisoned in the Tower of London (which never happened), where Henry has begun to believe the accusations of adultery (accusations Henry himself ordered be made, at least in the film). He tries to get Anne to agree to an annulment and leave England, but she refuses, since she’d vowed to never have an illegitimate child, and an annulment would make Elizabeth a bastard. Then, because she has nothing left to lose, Anne says “Look for the rest of your life at every man that ever knew me, and wonder if I didn’t find him a better man than you.” She then goes on to declare that Elizabeth would rule after Henry, and be the queen of a greater England than Henry could ever have built. She finishes this truly amazing monologue by saying “My Elizabeth shall be queen, and my blood will have been well spent.” The whole scene is, while historically inaccurate, the best bit of writing and acting I’ve ever seen.
@jillyparrish9 ай бұрын
Oh I HATED this portrayal of Anne, it was so over dramatic and unrealistic. I don’t understand why people love it so much..
@yevgeniyaleshchenko8496 ай бұрын
@@jillyparrish The OP doesn't represent all or even most people though.
@yevgeniyaleshchenko8496 ай бұрын
It might have been well-acted but ''the best''? How can it be the best portrayal if it's a complete fiction AND overdramatic at that? How can it be ''best written'' if it's so pompous and overblown? Sorry...
@arwenitaofdoom90412 жыл бұрын
Cate Blanchett is excellent as Elizabeth even if it wasnt competely historically accurate.
@ThumperE232 жыл бұрын
The Historian completely missed the boat on Shakspeare in Love was the whole thing she was a woman on the stage, it was a plot point. Also, they did mention that Shakspeare was married in the film. What having Historians watch movies and comment on the historical accuracy misses is some movies are meant to tell a dramatization of history (Elizabeth, Elizabeth Gold Age, Mary Queen of Scots), while others are Historical Fiction (The Other Boleyn Girl, and Shakspeare in Love). It's kind of like getting WW2 Historian to watch Inglorious Bastards by Quentin Taratino and comment on Hitler didn't die in a movie theater in Paris, when Taratino said it himself he did it because it made sense for the story he was trying to tell, and was a complete work of fiction.
@GeorgiaDCA2 жыл бұрын
This ticked me off. It made her, the historian, look stupid.
@ThumperE232 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgiaDCA or at least ignorant of the films probably were just shown scenes out of context.
@matteusconnollius12032 жыл бұрын
Well these people were very real, and it is frustrating to have people blatantly get details wrong. To someone familisr with history these details appear stupid and melodramatic. Historians can be really invested ij the people they sre studying and it is frustrating to see people put no effort into getting details about real things that happen right
@ThumperE232 жыл бұрын
@@matteusconnollius1203 the thing is historians will admit that they don't know much about Shakespeare, the point is the historian came off not knowing the movie and knowing that the writer directly addressed her points in the movie.
@TheTheatreHistoryProfessor2 жыл бұрын
As a historian and someone who works in the performing arts, this is something that is frustrating but also completely understandable. The reason historians often feel the need to point out the inaccuracies (despite our sympathies for artistic license and the needs of storytelling) is because these films are often shown in educational environments as a way to capture some sense of accuracy, truth, aesthetics, or information about the periods and peoples being taught in the classroom. Shakespeare in Love is an especially egregious example! It's a wonderful film and portrays a brilliant story around historical characters and events. But it's also just historically inaccurate in SO MANY WAYS. Ultimately, it does more harm than good when shown in contexts where education is the aim (rather than entertainment). And historians do their work in those environments. So, when we're asked to bring our professional perspectives to something like this, it makes sense why we defer to accurate historical story[telling] rather than consider the artistic license necessary for entertainment.
@asterixdogmatix10732 жыл бұрын
Even Blackadder 2 includes Elizabeth's famous speech!
@Psychol-Snooper2 жыл бұрын
And Ploppy, son of Ploppy!
@aw04tn582 жыл бұрын
But I have the heart and stomach, of a CONCRETE ELEPHANT!
@adambaker86892 жыл бұрын
@@aw04tn58 True to the original speech!
@gabiluch872 жыл бұрын
Lol that's awesome for Blackadder, I love that show
@gadgetgirl022 жыл бұрын
I was at TIFF for the festival premiere of The Golden Age, and there was a Q&A afterwards with the director. When asked why the Armada speech was changed rather than using the actual speech, the director explained he'd already used parts of it -- including the "heart and stomach" line -- in the first film, Elizabeth.
@theoriginaltoba8 ай бұрын
TIFF?
@gadgetgirl028 ай бұрын
@@theoriginaltoba Toronto International Film Festival
@theoriginaltoba8 ай бұрын
@@gadgetgirl02 ahhh okay. Thank you :)
@paulfigueiredo31682 жыл бұрын
both Shakespeare's marriage and viola dressing up as a boy were major plot points in Shakespeare in Love...so not sure how it loses points for quite literally having a plot I guess...
@borismuller862 жыл бұрын
Because it shows a woman acting on stage. Which didn’t happen at that time.
@bob_the_bomb45082 жыл бұрын
@@borismuller86 presumably you haven’t seen the film.
@borismuller862 жыл бұрын
I have, and it was nonsense. It won an Oscar purely because Harvey Weinstein was a producer.
@millykelly47892 жыл бұрын
I think what is meant here (and correct me if I’m wrong) is that of course women weren’t allowed on the stage, which is why Gwyneth’s character dresses up as a boy dressing up as a girl, which is the nuance of the film which was missed by the academic in this video. I love when she also states that it’s a bit weird that they ignored that Shakespeare was married because Shakespeare himself definitely ignored the fact that he was married! It’s perfectly in-keeping with the reality of his life! And I think you’re right about the Oscar thing! 😅
@borismuller862 жыл бұрын
It’s hard to suspend your disbelief so much that you could imagine people falling for a woman like Gwyneth Paltrow being a man in drag. I think that’s the main problem here.
@RenaissanceEarCandy2 жыл бұрын
The best depiction of Anne Boleyn's execution is, imo, Claire Foye in Wolf Hall. Foye perfectly captured Anne's dignity and bravery in death, and the production team accurately recreated the bleakness of how the execution would have been. The best depiction of Elizabeth, for me, is Glenda Jackson. But the best recreation of the speech at Tilbury was by Helen Mirren. It was just perfect.
@ryanhunter29872 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@0308frank2 жыл бұрын
I don't agree about Claire Foye. The scene is fantastic and her acting is fine but she seems extremely frightened and insecure in her last scene, she's shaking and even starts crying when they cover her eyes. Though not as hysteric as Natalie Portman, she's still miles apart from the bravery and dignity Anne was praised for. I think Natalie Dormer gave a grand depiction of Anne's execution: agitated, yet couragous and graceful. I also like Geneviewe Bujold who gave Anne's execution an detached, almost outer-wordly tune.
@borleyboo56132 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. Claire Foye’s depiction of Anne’s execution was by far the best. Even the inclusion of the thunder in the distance which echos Thomas Wyatt’s poem which includes the line ‘around the throne the thunder rolls’. Or ‘circa Regna tonat’. I hated Natalie Dormer as Anne Boleyn. Some of her facial expressions were awful when trying to appear intense and ‘sexy’.
@HD-ol1mc2 жыл бұрын
I agree! Claire Foy is perfect. Also love Damian Lewis at Henry 8th.
@cw9007 Жыл бұрын
They really screwed up the costumes in Wolf Hall, though. They are actually better than many other productions but because the set was magnificent, the poor effort on the costumes stood out. The headdresses looked like kids made them for a school play.
@Ms.Histrology2 жыл бұрын
I mean I know Anne was said to have stayed composed in the moments before her execution but saying “Pull yourself together!” to someone before they get their head chopped off for a crime they did not commit is stone cold 🥶. I think the movie made this choice because throughout the film she’s kind of unlikable and they really needed you to see her humanity and understand the tragedy of what was happening. Not a fan of that movie though.
@danaglabeman69192 жыл бұрын
I don't think she's saying "Pull yourself together, Anne Boleyn " I think it's more like, "Pull yourself together, Natalie Portman, you're supposed to be portraying a real person who was famously VERY calm in this moment."
@LordInter2 жыл бұрын
funny though 🤣
@ZachNyhus2 жыл бұрын
@@danaglabeman6919 Then that’s a criticism for the director and writer, not Portman. She’s an absolute professional, and no doubt was delivering the performance she was directed to. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@aplusrecommends94062 жыл бұрын
this historian was egregiously harsh. these are not documentaries. To sit through Mary QoS without a climatic mtg between the two... they're movies. Are you not entertained? lol and, yes, Portman didn't make that choice, the director did
@lilletrille18922 жыл бұрын
I was upset after watching this movie. None of the sisterly love from the book is acknowledged. Uncle Duke's influence completely ignored... Just one more demonisation of Anne Boleyn
@lizzie76542 жыл бұрын
On Elizabeth the Golden Age speech. I was also shocked regarding that, literally her most famous speech. But I think they had lifted part of the speech and slotted somewhere in the first Elizabeth film and they couldn't or didn't want to use it twice as the two films are supposed to be sequels. It's been a while since I watched the films so I could be misremembering. Obviously when they did the first film they had no plans for a second and so probably saw no harm in grabbing her most famous speech and slotting it in elsewhere.
@lastudentessa2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely correct. In the first movie Elizabeth does say "I may be a woman, Sir William, but if I choose I have the heart of a man!" I know both movies take liberties with the facts but I love them fiercely.
@thewritegirl40352 жыл бұрын
In Shakespeare In Love, Viola was playing a woman playing a man playing a woman, which was referenced explicitly and also emphasised by the fact that at the end of the film she becomes Viola in Twelfth Night, who does the same thing. I’d have loved to have seen the films analysed once seen the whole way through!
@millykelly47892 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more!
@GoodbyeCruelWorld7 ай бұрын
And J. Fiennes was Shakespeare
@DanSmith-j8y3 ай бұрын
If you've ever seen a man in drag, well, an audience would be able to instantly tell if it was really a woman playing a man playing a woman. It's like a reverse t-trick, never convincing.
@lisahopkins91172 жыл бұрын
Tearing historical films and shows apart makes me so happy. I hate it when Hollywood covers up the actual, more interesting events!!!
@lilletrille18922 жыл бұрын
AGREED!
@soniamacdonald91932 жыл бұрын
@@cheesecake2545 We do understand it, but the wider public - not unreasonably - take them to be completely accurate.
@vivienmartin2254 ай бұрын
Hollywood knows that the average person has a fantastical imagination of what history and important historical events were like. Obviously, the history lover knows that certain ideas the general public hold about both the more ancient and recent past are not exactly accurate
@louyou66143 ай бұрын
i mean dramatisation is done to attract and keep the general audience engaged
@susannah15232 жыл бұрын
„You got just a boy and only care for Anne. So un-Henry-like!“ 😂😂😂😂😂
@DenaInWyo Жыл бұрын
I also hated that they made Queen Elizabeth look like the red queen in Alice in Wonderland in that scene from Mary Queen of Scots! I just can't unsee it. All that's missing is some blue eye shadow. Alas, movies are for entertainment, and they often send people (like me) running to find out the actual history, so at least there's that. The Tudors did have a few really fascinating little easter eggs thrown in that actually did happen per contemporary report. They were nice to catch and felt like a little reward for having studied the actual history.
@dawni53652 жыл бұрын
When Elizabeth and Mary were on the screen together I literally screamed at the tv…”THEY NEVER MET!!” …and turned the movie off
@liv9749710 ай бұрын
To be fair, this is more of a "dream sequence" and the movie didn't claim they factually met in real life. They even said this in the promos for the film. You're supposed to see this as movie magic, as a "meeting of the minds" so to speak, or what either imagines it would be like meeting the other.
@westaussie9659 ай бұрын
And what about when the black man came on screen🤷🏼♀️
@cheycupcake052 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this! Of course like many Tudor history nerds, I'd seen these movies and had picked up on some things. Having a historian go through with her criticism was so much fun and very informative. Thanks from the USA!
@MacDorsai2 жыл бұрын
Shakespeare in Love has a sweet spot in my heart. I enjoyed it very much. And it was portrayed several times, explicitly, that women were not allowed to act in the theatre and Gwyneth Paltrow was using the disguise as Master Kent to conceal her identity.
@littlemouse70662 жыл бұрын
yes I remember but there was no way he would have kissed Juliet or touched her on her mouth with his lips when they were on stage because she was supposed to be played by a man.
@darkfireeyes72 жыл бұрын
You can tell she hasn't seen the whole movie of Shakespeare in Love bc the movie addresses the fact that women weren't allowed on the stage, and that Shakespeare was married. Totally unsurprised that TOBG was inaccurate. It showed Anne actually being guilty of the fabricated charges, and the script has her act very out of character to what we know of her.
@Shakespearespaniel2 жыл бұрын
"And why have they crimped her pony's mane?" *That* is iconic.
@melissaj19652 жыл бұрын
Could be a few things. Perhaps that was the image they were looking for the horse to match Elizabeth's own flowing locks. The horse's mane could fall that way naturally, as with the Friesian horse, or for dramatic effect. With show presentation here in Australia some people will plait the mane & tail to give a fuller appearance if the mane & tail is on the thin side.
@graphiquejack2 жыл бұрын
the fact that Viola is a woman is a major plot device in the story of Shakespeare in Love... she is a woman pretending to be a male youth who is acting as a woman on stage. It's not that the script just randomly gets this wrong and doesn't understand the history, it's that the character is trying to get around the rules of women not being allowed to be on stage because she wishes to indulge her passion for acting... and pursue her attraction to Will.
@mdiddio2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The whole premise of the movie is that it is illegal (besides the romance lol). They literally close the Rose because of it, then attempt to incarcerate all players at the Globe because of it. I feel she did not watch the whole movie. Definitely not a red X.
@AlexG-xl1cc2 жыл бұрын
But she looks like a woman. She says this, "it is clearly a woman, not a man dressed up as a woman".
@sullasfavouriteproscriptee2 жыл бұрын
@@mdiddio she's rating it based purely on historical accuracy not based on how it fits the fantasy movie storyline. And women on stage is historically inaccurate regardless of whatever made up story is being told therefore a big red X
@mdiddio2 жыл бұрын
@@sullasfavouriteproscriptee 😂😂😂 Again, the movie itself states she was not supposed to be on stage, making the movie HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. Why can't you folks handle that this historian is incorrect, didn't actually research, etc?
@archer10882 жыл бұрын
@@mdiddio why can’t you understand that’s not the premise of why she’s here. Also she doesn’t get time to research the movie, she is shown a clip with no context, get off your high horse
@Dparish242 жыл бұрын
I’m not an expert but the scene in Elizabeth is technically true but at the wrong time, yes she knew about his marriage to Amy. But after Amy died Robert Dudley married one of Elizabeth’s ladies Lettice Knollys without her knowledge which angered her. But that happened much later down the line.
@allyme2232 жыл бұрын
Yes thank you! I was just going to say, this scene is pretty clearly about his kind-of secret marriage to Lettyce Knowles! I don’t know why this historian didn’t acknowledge that! Is she unaware of his second marriage?
@Dparish242 жыл бұрын
@@allyme223 I guess in context of the film itself she was right to call it out, as the scene is still referring to his first marriage not to Lettice. The film is pretty guilty of condensing so many events into one. But would’ve been nice if she at least referenced the second marriage that the scene was actually based on.
@taetannim35813 ай бұрын
Thank everyone who put this together! Thank you for keeping true history alive!
@kristenstearn65972 жыл бұрын
I love seeing other people get as upset and angry at Hollywood for changing history which is already dramatic and interesting enough! I know the movies are not trying to be documentaries but these people existed and their legacy is remembered by what people now think is gonna attract an audience. Elizabeth & Mary not meeting is pivotal in their relationship and why Mary was executed, it’s highly thought if they did meet Elizabeth wouldn’t have had her killed her.
@chocho80362 жыл бұрын
right you are, it's all dramatization based on a few characters and facts... and doubly right about Elizabeth probably not wanting to meet her it's sad to me that dramas are accepted as fact , like Shakespeares Richard III becoming accepted as killing his nephews, when most historians agree that there is no evidence of that and that there were plenty of other people who benefitted from their deaths, one man does not become king alone, he has a whole group of ambitious motivated supporters i have even heard it stated as fact in a video documentary not just a fictional film which is most annoying
@annajohnson81242 жыл бұрын
The thing about Shakespeare in Love that I think it deserves a higher score is if you watch the full movie, Viola is pretending to be a boy so she can act. Shakespeare figures her out, but keeps her because he's caught feelings. They also mention he's married, but that his wife and him are separated, and Anne Hathaway (his wife) is in Stratford upon Avon. So, both marks you noted against it are addressed earlier in the film. It is a work of fiction, so I don't think it deserves a 10, but definitely 8.5 on a history base.
@loots98212 жыл бұрын
I think Anne's execution in the series wolf hall was probably the most accurate. Certainly the most realistic & moving.
@0308frank2 жыл бұрын
It feels painfully realistic but I'm not a fan of Anne shaking in fear. When they cover her eyes she even starts crying. That's far away from the majestetic bravery Anne is said to have demonstrated in her last moments. Even her enemies gave her that.
@PaulineMontagna7 ай бұрын
I don’t think Dr Tallis actually watched Shakespeare in Love apart from a couple of scenes. If you’re going to comment on the film you should at least see all of it. 1. The whole point of the film was that women were not allowed on stage and 2. It was acknowledged that Shakespeare was married and in fact it was the trigger for a very dramatic scene.
@MrsMary1012 жыл бұрын
This was very informative! Can you please do an episode on the accuracies and inaccuracies of The Tudors? Thank you
@HistoryHit2 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoyed guys! Which of these movies was your favourite? 🤔
@Zombrii912 жыл бұрын
Yes
@idkanymore7902 жыл бұрын
the reaction
@bob_the_bomb45082 жыл бұрын
I remember myself being disappointed when they omitted the ‘heart and stomach of a king’ bit. It was the only bit of the speech that I remembered! I like Shakespeare in Love for all the little jokes too. Like the wherreyman saying “‘ere, you’ll never guess who I had in my boat today” (like a typical Black Cab driver), or the joke about Kit Marlowe being killed over a dispute about the bill Judy Dench also does a great job as Elizabeth…
@Dr_V2 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of this kind of movies, but I really loved the historian, she looks gorgeous, has a beautiful voice and focuses on giving accurate information rather than personal opinions. Please get her back for another video, there's plenty more Hollywood bullshit to pick apart on this subject.
@obaidulhoquebhuiyan709511 ай бұрын
All Of Them.
@AmericanxSniper2 жыл бұрын
Would love for her to review Wolf Hall scenes!
@maloneaqua2 жыл бұрын
A little more insight like “she’d never take off her wig because that shows weakness” And a little less obvious questions like, “why did they take this clear artistic license?”
@ascilon2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, "when Hollywood and history meet, Hollywood always wins", but suddenly there's nothing to be said against Tudor courtiers being black. Wondering why that is...
@nuthinmuffins50732 жыл бұрын
Oh thank you thank you thank you for this! I’m absolutely obsessed with Tudor history, yet I can not at all bring myself to watch The Other Boleyn Girl. I tried and it was simply too painful (what a waste of time, money and proficient actors!) because the inaccuracies are offensive. Same goes for Elizabeth’s famous speech: how could they screw that up? I also did really appreciate the accuracy of Elizabeth’s love of dancing and all the details that were spot on regarding that and other aspects of her character. Some people may find it ridiculous to get so upset about such things, but these were real people and real events that had a tremendous effect on the world, so when “Hollywood”, or whomever, is sloppy or deliberately deviates from the truth for the sake of melodrama, I feel it’s an injustice to both the people who lived the history and those who are consuming the story without realizing which bits are fraudulent. If you had been Anne or Elizabeth, how would you feel if you found out that your proudest or most vulnerable moments (and in a life that was so public and wherein your reputation was such a tenuous situation so much of the time) were later portrayed with complete inaccuracy? Anne was vilified during and right after her life, and was the victim of so much slander. Given all the time that has passed, and our ability to take a step back and analyze the truth of her and her family (although there’s still so much information lacking that I/we wish we had access to), one would think we could avoid such entire fabrications as The Other Boleyn Girl! Anyhoo, I could go on and on, I really could, but the gist of it is: thank you for the fact checking. Now if only we could prevent these misrepresentations from happening in the first place!
@nmv332 жыл бұрын
This are not documentaries, so …
@annastevens15262 жыл бұрын
I completely agree - these were REAL PEOPLE who often went through the most harrowing tragedies and whose honour was very dear to them. Taking such liberties when supposedly making a "historically inspired" piece feels like rank disrespect to the real individuals involved. Imagining what might've happened when no observers were around is one thing, or creating a totally alternate history, but misrepresenting the characters, actions and emotions of actual historic persons really feels ethically wrong to me? Similarly, I'm a big fan of accurate costume, setting & action in historic films because real people lived those lives... AND because of how inaccurate representation can hugely skew peoples understanding of the past. Think for example of most people's weird-ass mental picture of the Viking age, purely built by popular media!
@Ocyla Жыл бұрын
I ADORE The Other Boleyn Girl book, and yes the movie was bad. I imagine the book is terribly inaccurate but god it's good, imo.
@tinascheldrup87411 ай бұрын
The Other Boleyn Girl was not only atrocious but the repetitive sound track drove me bananas!
@Halfdanr_H2 жыл бұрын
9:25 When examining how historically authentic this scene is, are we just going to ignore that there's sub-Saharan Africans present at court stood in front of Mary, or is it just Mary's fake Scottish accent we're going to critique?
@mollykeane25718 ай бұрын
I don’t think we’re supposed to notice. Have the Black Mariahs turned up for you yet?
@lannadelarosa5 ай бұрын
Black Tudors existed. Google it.
@user-lb5cq8rs8i Жыл бұрын
I know that Anne Bolyene was not only dignified but even gay during her execution, but I totally hate the fact the expert said: 'Pull yourself together'! It looked like she judged the character. But we all are not Anne Boleynes - we are just human beings, and Anne's behaviour is rather an exception anyway! If it had been my execution, I would have cried!
@annasahlstrom61092 жыл бұрын
Margot Robbie looks like the Queen of Hearts in that scene.
@1SpicyMeataball2 жыл бұрын
"Why does she have a Scottish accent?" The bigger unaddressed elephant in the room: *why does Elizabeth have a black ambassador?*
@Alejojojo67 ай бұрын
lmao I was thinking the same!
@rjjamison35964 ай бұрын
Ohhhh you need to read an actual history book and not rely on Hollywood. There were black people at court.
@jon_snow_4203 ай бұрын
Why is Mary played by an Irish woman?
@MHS-ql7ee3 ай бұрын
@@rjjamison3596Likely story 🙄
@MHS-ql7ee3 ай бұрын
Too afraid of being cancelled.
@toritori58353 ай бұрын
15:28 - The fact that women weren’t allowed to act on stage is actually part of the plot. There’s a reason for this anomaly. You’ll have to watch the whole movie.
@Crossword131 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for mentioning the Scottish accent on Mary Queen of Scots. It's utterly surreal.
@JJJulesToo2 жыл бұрын
The whole women not being allowed on stage was a HUGE part of Shakespeare in Love's plot. She did play a woman playing a man playing a woman. Ugh...watch the whole movie if you are going to critique it.
@helenl31932 жыл бұрын
Or at least read a plot summary!
@debblouin7 ай бұрын
15:32 You missed the entire conceit of Shakespeare In Love: it’s about a girl who presents as a man so she can perform on stage. Objecting to her performing on stage shows you either haven’t watched the movie or haven’t set aside your expectations enough to acknowledge that the movie was hyper realistic in that women would NOT have been permitted on stage.
@z1LeaF2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see her return and do the Tudors and A Discovery of Witches season 2!
@theSailorCapricorn2 жыл бұрын
The fact that she didn’t finish the Golden Age speech made me roll my eyes. That part of that iconic speech is said in the movie, as well as a few the iconic lines that were documented by people of that time 😂 for example the one about Her too being able to control the wind
@DeezkneesHurt2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Thought I was going crazy for a moment there
@survivehistory2 жыл бұрын
Love these movie reviews!
@fuferito2 жыл бұрын
But, how else is Natalie Portman supposed to show off her _acting_ if she doesn't fumble about, blubbering and dropping to her knees?
@bob_the_bomb45082 жыл бұрын
She did pretty well in ‘Leon’…
@alexnorth33932 жыл бұрын
She is honestly a crappy actor as an adult.
@dhritidutta62312 жыл бұрын
Blame the writer, not her...
@Alejojojo67 ай бұрын
The fact she didnt point out there werent black men in Mary's court xD
@butkusfan23Ай бұрын
Black people did appear in Royal Courts during the Tudor era, genius. Google is not hard to use.
@irelandevr40462 жыл бұрын
So most likely the horse in the "Elizabeth: The Golden Age" clip is probably a Bashkir Curly horse or a Friesian horse which both breeds have wavy and curly manes. They're also pretty expensive.
@annika58932 жыл бұрын
Maybe you could do a sequel about the TV series The Virgin Queen, starring Ann-Marie Duff as Queen Elizabeth I. They at least got the Tilbury speech correct. The movie Stage Beauty about a famous actor named Kynaston who used to play women's roles in theater would have been an interesting addition too.
@paramitch2 жыл бұрын
I love the movie "Stage Beauty" and would have loved to see her discuss it. Great, underrated movie.
@usg-6472 жыл бұрын
Dr. Tallis is excellent! Great points that actual history could be MORE entertaining!
@jeffaltier55822 жыл бұрын
Its been an argument between film watchers since movies began. How much of a true historical story should be true to the source and how much room is allowed to create fictional scenes that propel the dramatic storyline. Heck, even Shakespeare played fast and loose with history in his own plays.
@henrylivingstone29712 жыл бұрын
“This is really cringe” 😂😂😂 I didn’t expect to hear that 😂😂😂
@jeremiahgabriel57092 жыл бұрын
I'd kill for an historically accurate Tudor film. Doesn't even need to be about the usual King Henry VIII or Queen Elizabeth I (though it could be); just about a person in Tudor England, with historical reference material **actually attended to closely.** I want history to beat Hollywood just once! (And I mean *all* the history nerds would see it repeatedly, and history is dramatic enough; aka not like it would be boring or like they'd lose money).
@Skye_Writer7 ай бұрын
As a writer, what I adored about "Shakespeare in Love" is just the way it portrays the process, how much writers crib from real life, the moments of doubt and lack of inspiration, and the flurry of those moments when you get inspired and really get into The Zone. I can't speak to any of the struggle of the actors or the chaos that goes on behind the scenes, but I've had a couple of actor friends call it accurate. Now, as a fan of Tudor and Elizabethan era clothing, I have LOTS of quibbles -- all the men walking around with their doublets undone or completely off, everyone in boots instead of shoes, etc -- but overall it's just a lovely movie to me.
@danmer89952 жыл бұрын
In the Mary Queen of the Scots scene, who are the black courtiers, where are they from and why would they be there? She goes on about the black clothes but not the black men, which would be far more interesting.
@Alejojojo67 ай бұрын
EXACTLY. She literally avoid talking about it lol
@musicloverlondon60702 жыл бұрын
8.16: "When Hollywood meets history Hollywood always wins." Great comment and very accurate.
@sorscha13082 жыл бұрын
I think they'd already used parts of the Tilbury speech in the first Elizabeth film, which is why they changed it for the second. It is annoying though, as it's so iconic but i guess they didn't know that they'd get the chance for the sequel. And yes, she's clearly never actually watched Shakespeare in Love.
@Morhgoz2 жыл бұрын
Reason why me siblings hate to watch historical period movies is that I tend to point inaccuracies in them aloud while they just want to enjoy the movie...
@annettefournier96552 жыл бұрын
You missed the point.The person playing Juliet was a woman pretending to be a boy pretending to play a woman so she could be an actor. And Shakespeare was confused most of the time as he was falling in love with who he thought was a boy playing a girl. It was a farse in the drama. Though she was found out in the end to be a woman ; to Shakespeare 's relief and horror. She could no longer be an actor .
@billybee96592 жыл бұрын
This is such a great video. I’d love to see more with this particular historian!
@WLDB2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with her. It sucks that as popular as the Tudors are the popular portrayals overall suck. I wish they'd do better.
@etherealechoes99078 ай бұрын
Not so well known but 'The Virgin Queen' with Anne Marie Duff does show her wearing the white dress and pretty accurate on the Elizabeths speech aswell. Lower budget but worth the watch!
@timefoolery2 жыл бұрын
Another point about “Elizabeth” - Elizabeth had been a guest at the Dudley wedding. The Other Boleyn Girl didn’t follow the book very well and I’m afraid there will never be a good, solid filming of a Philippa Gregory book that won’t be bastardized by some cheap screenwriter. Philippa follows the history as much as possible and tells you when she’s had to invent filler on other things, although sometimes she definitely goes with the legend where truth might not be as exciting. So it’s not like they didn’t have history and her book to go by, and they still had to fill in with absolutely poppycock. Thank you for pointing out the movie makers’ failure to translate a truly great story. On “Shakespeare in Love”, which I hope you will watch completely, actually has Viola dressed as a man and originally cast as Romeo in the play before Shakespeare figures out she’s a woman and there’s a good reason by the end as to why all you saw happened. It’s a piece of fancy that doesn’t offend me as a history buff, and not having to point out faults in the story let’s me just enjoy the show.
@graphiquejack2 жыл бұрын
Philippa Gregory writes rubbish novels and the worst is The Other Boleyn Girl. The movie attempts at times to inject some actual historical fact that the novel gets wrong. Both are pretty awful, but between the two I'd say the movie is 'slightly' better than the book, which angered me the more I tried to finish it.
@theresagwhite31752 жыл бұрын
The Other Boleyn Girl will never win an award for 'accuracy' but it's an entertaining read.
@Bollywoodlover1002 жыл бұрын
philippa gregory writes trashy fiction novels that are based on real historical figures but have no accuracy whatsoever so i wouldn’t sing her praises
@cherrytraveller59152 жыл бұрын
The only thing accurate about Philippa Gregory novels was that those people existed. In the book she has Mary Boleyn in the crowd watching the execution when she was already in Dover at that point in real life. Mary never intervened and her daughter wasn’t attending her aunt which is all the things that were in that book and all the things that she claimed happened
@theresagwhite31752 жыл бұрын
Philippa is a fiction writer- she's always been careless with facts.
@rubykrussg11 ай бұрын
In Shakespeare in love, they actually do a dress the fact that women were not allowed on stage, and come up with a justification for viola.
@jagreb2 жыл бұрын
So, we're going to point out in Mary Queen of Scots how odd it is that those men were all dressed in black, but ignore the historical inaccuracy of having black actors in those parts?
@dmb74032 жыл бұрын
Exactly. They need to stick to their own history.
@MHS-ql7ee3 ай бұрын
Exactly. And do notice how far down our comments about this are!
@Spark_Chaser2 жыл бұрын
I feel like being kinder to "Shakespeare In Love" is fair as it isn't trying to depict actual history. The other movies were trying to depict real events and either misrepresenting history, or making things up whole cloth.
@blueeyedscorpio72 жыл бұрын
I've heard many of historians say they did replace her ladies with ones that didn't like her & did weep for her.
@NetanelWorthy2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure who this lady is, but she’s made a lot of in accurate statements herself. And when she was watching Elizabeth the golden age, she said that a line was not said when in fact it was said. Is she watching like two minutes of this
@paulklee57902 жыл бұрын
Watch it again..
@enooeeelelee_2 жыл бұрын
It would have been nice to see her rate Anonymous and the HBO Tudors series
@zenbear41492 жыл бұрын
"Why are they dressed in black, and Mary has a Scottish accent? Never mind all the black courtiers with Afros, though, that would get me into trouble to mention."
@TheCrimzor2 жыл бұрын
More of her please, this was great :)
@brittanyt729 Жыл бұрын
Best question of all was, “and why have they crimped her pony’s mane?”
@vintagegal5412 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dr. Tallis, for bringing up the fact that Mary, Queen of Scots would have had a French accent and not a Scottish one from her many years in France from a very young child. I also would like to mention that is what I like about Genevieve Bujold portrayal of Anne Boleyn in "Anne of the Thousand Days". Being French Canadian from Quebec, Genevieve had the French accent which Anne Boleyn certainly would have from her time in France from a very young child. There are many things that I can say about the miscasting of the many, many Henry VIII's, with exception to the splendid Keith Michell, and Katherine of Aragon's, with the exception of Annette Crosbie, but that's for another video.
@samf.s.77312 жыл бұрын
In defense of Mary Queen of The Scotts, and Shakespeare in Love, they're both fanfiction. Pretty good fanfiction. For instance, Shakespeare in Love completely glosses over Anne Hathaway, William Shakespeare's wife. She goes full shojo manga level crossing here, and the audience actually thinks she's a guy when she's acting out that scene. And it's said to be the inspiration for Viola's character in Twelfth Night; I actually think it kinda makes sense because I can see GP playing that character and nailing it. People really liked pitting her against Blanchet for her performance in one of the movies discussed here. I only pick Blanchet over Paltrow as a personal fave because I think she played a better character, Queen Elizabeth, and knocked it out of the park. Paltrow did a great job playing "Master Kent", but sadly that takes a back seat to "the romance" after JF's character finds out about her identity. If that movie had gone on with her needing to keep up the charade with him only finding out about who she is in the end, and she told him she loved him there, I think it would have been more "her movie". But I guess cough cough HW wanted to badly have GP do a nude scene since she is a woman who's so out of his league he was never going to get her to do it consensually. Which is horrible to think about. Glad she walked it off like a champ. They should have given her more, she deserved better.
@JodeaKeganАй бұрын
@8:45 she asks why they changed the famous line. The answer is because they used something extremely similar in the first movie. "I may be a woman, but if I choose I have the heart of a man. I am my fathers daughter" I would imagine they wanted that sentiment in the first movie, not planning on making a sequel
@MrGone06082 жыл бұрын
10:23 why the entourage of Elizabeth has black people? Not racism but most Europeans at this point never saw a black person.
@Haybear_92 Жыл бұрын
I actually cant watch the Mary Queen of Scots films after hearing how absurdly inaccurate it was, just seeing this clips confirms I made the right decision. Love how annoyed the historian is getting, rightly so.
@musicallydisneyamvs67312 жыл бұрын
Had to set the record straight for my friend in PE thanks to The Other Boleyn Girl. However Elizabeth R, starring Glenda Jackson as Elizabeth Ist is my favorite & I feel is the best portrayal, so far to Elizabeth’s character.
@windycityliz77112 жыл бұрын
The Virgin Queen with Anne Marie Duff is also excellent.
@musicallydisneyamvs67312 жыл бұрын
@@windycityliz7711 Ya she did well too
@NessaBear90 Жыл бұрын
Couldn't get Suzannah Lipscomb or Dr. Tracy Borman? Those are Tudor historians whom I have read many books from and seen many documentaries from regarding Tudors.
@christinerobbins9376 Жыл бұрын
The "Why is Mary speaking with a Scottish accent" took me out 😂. I suppose its because directors cant be bothered to crack an actual history book. Mary was raised in France so I'm thinking a French accent would have been a better choice. 😂
@ouchiedumpling2552 Жыл бұрын
Would anyone spend time watching a William Shakespeare historical play saying "there's no way Cleopatra said that"? None of these movies claim to be documentaries, much less historically accurate. It's interesting to point out differences, but getting frustrated or angry over it? They're just movies for entertainment, not learning history.
@jackdixon29782 жыл бұрын
Hang on, in Shakespeare in love its a big part of the storyline that she isn't allowed on stage so she disguises as a man, its like a major plot in ths movie