DANTE vs MADI

[@FLOSPhotographer]

I am glad you made a comparison between the two. I do think you might want to clarify some operational details. DANTE....like MADI...is a transmission protocol. DANTE is not responsible for the 'conversion' you highlight. That is dependent on the device itself...which is why you found no difference between connecting the Grace Design via DANTE vs SPDIF. There are examples online that definitively show DANTE is bit perfect in transmission. If you are using one of the cheap AVIO dongles for AD or DA conversion...then you are indeed reliant on that devices' quality for the AD or DA conversion. Likewise, if you were using speakers that connect via DANTE....then whatever is coming out of the speakers is being converted from digital to analog via the built-in converters on the speakers. However, if you are using (for example) an AVIO AES to DANTE dongle...the transmission should be bit perfect. Bottom line: there is no 'audio quality' difference between DANTE and MADI when configured identically...because they are transmission protocols...not audio protocols. CLOCKING: Generally, when we speak of 'clocking' in digital audio, it is the conversion clock for the AD/DA converters. In DANTE world, we are talking about a NETWORK clock, which determines packet arrival synchronization. Two different things that use similar terminology. This is also why you HAVE to have a WORD CLOCK master on MADI (MADI protocol does not carry word clock and you have to synchronize two devices), but do not need it on DANTE, since DANTE uses packet synchonization for already 'converted' audio. If you had signal degredation in DANTE, it was because either the end conversion back to analog was different than on the MADI side and sub-par (for instance, if you were using DVS, it will only go up to 48k...so if MADI was carrying 96k and DVS was converting back at 48k...there will definitely be a difference in quality), OR...your network was improperly configured. Additionally, using optical fiber network cabling / switches, transmission of DANTE signals can go into the kilometers as well. I'm not against MADI at all...just wanted to give DANTE a fair shake as there are misconceptions out there. Great video!

[@fadygergis]

Very well said. Thanks for the awesome detailed feedback.

[@anaiybeatx]

Great explanation wow I enjoyed the video , chears

[@fadygergis]

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[@bettsdn]

Around halfway through you discuss splitting MADI off to different destination. The device that would accomplish that is called a MADI router. SSL and RME manufacture them.

[@braxal6983]

This video was very helpful. I am glad I found your channel and subscribed.

[@fadygergis]

Glad I can help.

[@AminElnekhely]

Check the PTP that make the clocking of the large Dante installation and switches working on it, i enjoy the show

[@fadygergis]

Will do! Miss you my friend ;)

[@AminElnekhely]

waiting for you on ur next visit

[@fadygergis]

@AminElnekhely Deal!

[@raggedrec]

i use AVB and its rock solid. love it.

[@fadygergis]

AVB is solid. Kinda feels like a blend of both!

[@thesebarehandsmusic]

Very helpful. Thanks. What is MADI Copper vs MADI optical?

[@asalesagemedia]

What are some different ideas of devices that are Dante enabled that one could use in a studio? Just looking for as many use cases as possible for Dante in the studio. Thanks!

[@pdmcrew80]

RME and Directout make some Madi Splitters.

[@fadygergis]

I have one of RME units that splits Madi into ADAT

[@pdmcrew80]

@@fadygergis sorry i meant to say Madi router.

[@fadygergis]

@pdmcrew80 yeh I know exactly what you are talking about. It’s a great unit and very practical for flexible multiple Madi routing.

[@ezrashanti]

I'm not going to watch the full video because it starts out by saying MADI is audio over network which is false. Madi is simply optical digital audio transmission like adat or aes, passing 32io per cable at 96k or 64io at 48k. I prefer madi unless you need to route audio all over the place between multiple rooms etc, as described in your example. I'd still prefer a madi router if possible.

[@fadygergis]

If you watched a bit longer you will see me correcting myself and explaining that in details.

[@ezrashanti]

@@fadygergis Ok, my bad, and good to know. I don't create KZbin content but I do think it's important to some viewers to be sure things are accurate or they might give up on a video early :).

[@caseyschultheis]

thank you. when are we getting a review about them new i8 speakers?

[@fadygergis]

Hopefully soon

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

I'm curious about Dante pcie card options compatible with Apple Silicon Mac (via thunderbolt card chassis devices) in 2024. (I was checking out newest rednet. But it got bad reviews.l

[@fadygergis]

Are you using a Mac Pro ? Because that’s the only Mac right now supports PCIE

[@pastilance1]

OMG are we getting a review of those AA i8's behind you? Pretty please!

[@fadygergis]

Yes happening soon.

[@jkasko7]

Are those the Antelope I8 monitors on your desk? If so, how do you like them?

[@fadygergis]

Yes sir! I am still working on tuning them in the room and testing them. Then will make a full video about them.

[@DeweyKasko]

@@fadygergis It is a real bummer that they don't have an ethernet connection and a remote software available. In my room it is really difficult to get behind my SSL.

[@fadygergis]

They have a usb connection! And they are working on a desktop launch to control the speaker like the other Antelope units.

[@jkasko7]

@@fadygergis I know they have USB, but for people for have their computer in a machine room, ethernet would be better. Have they mentioned any time frame for the remote software. I put in a pre sales question to them, but I have received an answer back. What are you initial thoughts on the sound of the monitors? How do they compare your Barefoots? What made you choose the I8?

[@KhasrouhRecords]

i see you have new black speakers behind you, what are they ?

[@fadygergis]

I added the Antelope i8 to my setup

[@TheZordon321]

Hey I really appreciate the video. I'm currently working with a studio that decided to switch their entire infrastructure over to Dante, (they have multiple rooms for recordings so they thought it'd be easier to mange). I noticed u said Dante can use Cat 5E or Cat6A cable, however with Cat6a being more of a common cable to purchase would it be wiser to invest in cat 7 for dante? Also shielded or unshielded. Naturally I would assume STP shielded. Love to get ur thoughts. Cheers!

[@fadygergis]

Between Cat 5/6/7 there isn’t much difference for Dante. But I definitely recommend shielded. Stay away from unshielded.

[@TheZordon321]

@@fadygergis Thanks for the response man. Much Appreciated!

[@fadygergis]

@TheZordon321 you’re welcome

[@lennonmclean]

MADI also will work over Cat5 cable like Dante. This setup is often used by Soundcraft stage boxes and mixers.

[@dougleydorite]

I got my Burl converters Madi because I could just loop into another Madi device. Turns out you can’t with the Burl BMB2 motherboard.. now I can only use 8 of 64 Madi channels 👎🏻

[@fadygergis]

It sucks I know. But still Burl converters are 🔥