Dare The Meeting 26 November 2021 - Episode 3

[@eddiemunsaka7140]

Thank you very much Apostle and all those who are present. You have made this meeting successful and because of that, I have learnt a lot. Glory be to God for opening our eyes

[@newmanchinyowa2369]

My sincere wish is for this debate to be broadcasted on national tvs, this will heal a lot of cancer affecting our communities(churches). We will be judged if we don't take heed of these opportunities. Thanks be to God for reintroducing a true original doctrine

[@queenvmmaka913]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 wow Apostle TF Chiwenga you are a true man of God 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@celianchitembo4924]

indeed he is in our time,We blessed to have you Amai ,Rambai makatsika tiwane rugare rwusingapere

[@ChatswithConnie]

Uuum.Ndipo panoti 2 Corinthians 3:13-15 The veil is still on those that observe the law. I just thank the Lord for the grace and mercy who opened my heart and understanding.👏👏🙏🙏

[@modest8917]

True indeed

[@mieguerykwenda558]

This word is too powerful.Ishe ngavandibatsire ndirambire mu Ziklag

[@farairudzi1446]

Heyish handisati ndamboona zvakadai. The so called Pastor? Mwari vakaita havo nekutipa Apostle Chiwenga. Thank You God

[@vanzskies89]

Taakuda Dare every two weeks nhasi 💥💥💥 infact tirikuda Dare on national television futi💪🏾💪🏾

[@JCTVAfrica]

Vanoriramba

[@shupiedziva9236]

Zimbabwe takakomborerwa kunzwa nekudzidza Shoko raMwari kudai....Godbless!!!

[@collenverengera8790]

Mr T Shumba thanks so with your contributions. It was so powerful.. Apostle Chiwenga as usual may you please continue to teach us the true gospel of God. Makatumwa munuwashe

[@miringwarai]

Just listening to this program hearing the different views people have on the Bible shows that we have a lot to learn if we want to know the truth, and cannot just take what church leaders say without being sure that it tallies with the Bible, the new testament since we are now in the new testament.

[@edinamalombola5247]

Thank you Apostle for this platform.

[@MyFarmingJourney]

The scriptures are not a mirror to see yourself in them, they are a see through glass to See Christ in ALL of them

[@RayJay2024]

thts what he was trying to say hama. Ati if you look into a mirror you must see the exact you not with long hair when you actually have short hair, so we must see Christ in all the scriptures. He didn't say we must see ourselves in the scriptures.... thank you

[@nathanaelgovera2772]

@@RayJay2024 yes

[@cyrilmangwana9713]

Apostle Chiwenga...my mother🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@innocentsaunyama2961]

Thank you Amai(our mother in the board of Christ) listening to the sermon right now we're really learning am so excited....

[@thulanymudiwa24]

l really appreciate the clarity and sincerity brought by this forum unto the understanding of what the New Testament of Grace and Faith upholds, entails and Functions.....Thank you for this meeting, May all the Glory be ascribed to God.

[@Iammiles1224]

Umm the fact the Apostle Chiwenga was not speaking his opinions but referring to each verse says something but others

[@RayJay2024]

Hello Pastor Blessing Mazodze. Thanks for coming to the @DARE however I've a few genuine questions. 1) you said there are moral and ceremonial laws. COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE SCRIPTURES tht separate laws or categorize them into those 2 groups because according to (a)Deuteronomy 4:1-2...STATUTES, JUDGEMENTS & COMMANDMENTS are a package. (b) Deuteronomy 27:11-25...commandments from Exodus 20 are combined with other laws that are not part of the 10 commandments, which again STATUTES, JUDGEMENTS & COMMANDMENTS are a package. To sum up Deuteronomy 27:26...reads cursed is everyone who confirmeth not in ALL the laws that were mentioned from Deu 27:15-25. (c) James 2:10-11...you offend one; you're guilty of ALL. (d) Galatians 3:10...says the same thing; you're to do ALL the laws. 2)You did good when you finally understood tht tithing is not the NT aspect but the OT however you then said you chose ( your choice) to pay tithe what criteria did you use to pick an aspect of the OT law and you PRIVILY qualified it for the NT? 3) Romans 10:4...Christ is the end of the law!!! Which law did he put an end to? NB law not laws. please don't be subtle and try to evade just 3 questions. Thank you.

[@ashleylunga411]

1:35:00 the absence of a evidence is not the evidence of absence….man of God vanoona Boondocks😅

[@vanzskies89]

Mazodze always tries to be clever, Bible haridaro shame he’s so empty it’s very unfortunate when also considering the effort that he puts in order to drive his point home.

[@amosmusengei7000]

Brother blessing kwanzi vanhu vaidzingiswa nokuti.vaitya vaisrael .munongozvirwisa pose pamunotaura

[@GTGHvndsom3]

Do they pay the ushers the musicians the deacons from the tithe since they are also serving in church like the pastor

[@brendahluwanda1542]

Waal great points

[@sammangena2786]

Elder Zhanda must listen when others are talking his questions shows that he's not listening. Thank you for this meeting.

[@rejoycetsikirai8913]

True that guy knows nothing about the scriptures

[@vanzskies89]

Zhanda has a problem of using his own opinion not referencing to the Bible.

[@justicemusekiwa8630]

That Pastor in grey suit is a disaster even akapihwa ma verse anongoita nharo .haana zvanoziva uyo pastor uyo ngagare pasi 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

[@chenesaimatarutse3776]

He who has ears to hear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches

[@collenverengera8790]

Blessing mazodze you are still a long way to salvation my brother. I feel sorry for the people whom you preach to. You must have a heart to learn the gospel of Jesus Christ. Muchiri kure mkoma wangu

[@sibongilenenga6458]

Just joined! Hi everybody in Ziklag

[@anselempfekechu117]

Glory be to God let true sound gospel be established

[@privymercy3891]

Thank you brother Shumba very good at articulating facts with the support of Scriptures. Keep on preaching the Pure Gospel. May God Strengthen you. To my mother Apostle Chiwenga may God keep you strong and continue showing people the truth.

[@Boomslang1]

Could you please explain why you call Apostle Chiwenga your mother, thanks. What basis do you have to refer a man as a mother?

[@sylvesterkwashira9874]

@@Boomslang1 okay in Christ we have a father who is God and the preacher plays the role of a mother , what you are calling man is the flesh not the spirit, do you understand ?

[@Boomslang1]

@@sylvesterkwashira9874 Fair enough I appreciate and totally understand the point but I don't see a precedent in the Scripture of the Saints referring to Apostle Paul as morher, hence my query. Having said that, Apostle Chiwenga is the first Servant of God who has started feeding my hunger for the knowledge of Christ. I had started to despair that Zimbabwe had fallen into the hands of satan through the falsehoods of Makandiwa, Angel, Magaya etc. I was one of those who used to follow Tudor Bismark and I had started to become disillusioned by his commitment to tithing and other wrong issues. We truly thank God for the life of Apostle Chiwenga, taoriwana vhangeri reupenyu, mbiri kuna Jesu

[@sylvesterkwashira9874]

@@Boomslang1 yes we thank God for learning that the bible scriptures testify about Jesus , even the law it self and all , it’s okay the more sermons and more you read the bible the more you will understand this issue but thank God for taking you away from the kingdom of darkness

[@FBI-pc1nb]

Sekuru Guti varipiko huyai mutiudze kt chegumi makachichachura paverse ipi

[@glowmitectrading8708]

Thank you Apostle and other brethren, we are learning. Let’s also address the issue of the evil statue that was erected in the CBD.

[@shupiedziva9236]

Ndadzidza kuti ukapa chegumi unenge uri kuti Jesu akafira pasina meaning Jesus died in vain...

[@nyashamaravanyika23]

Hakuna elder akaita saZhanda lol he knows nothing about the gospel 🤣

[@justicemusekiwa8630]

We suit yedota uyo hasi patsor hapana zvozikanwa apa.ndiyaniko akamupa Title ya pastor.musanyare kumudza munhu uyu hana zvanoziva hadi kudzidza anotaura zvisina sense.munhu angati akaitwa circumcision palive here kkkkkkk ziso racho anorivhura ungati anorova dzema bhiridha ....

[@jarredthorpey9004]

He clarified his say. His circumcision was not for righteousness ,, but if you read the scriptures, it says if you are circumcised Christ died for nothing for you ,, but as you read it clearly says circumcision or not , both do not matter at all , what matters is Jesus Christ. Meaning the way Apostole Chiwenga took it was wrong because he quickly judged the man yet Jesus later in the scriptures says , it does not matter , He Himself matters in our salvation , so the pastor was right.

[@qjjthebest2341]

@@jarredthorpey9004 No he was still wrong coz he maintains that there is a need to pay tithes in the NT. If he was not circumcised to be righteous why he even mentioned it coz it was irrelevent to what was being diccussed

[@Boomslang1]

@@jarredthorpey9004 no, no, no, you were not listening!!!!

[@tavongamakumbe9803]

Thank you Lord

[@sheillamareya6597]

Mukoma vale youth leader ummmmmm hapana zvinozikanwa 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@shepherdmutomba636]

Ishe wedu ngavavongwe, kunze kuchiine basa gurusa ukoo

[@Godknowsshumbamusic]

Blessing is preaching heresy ..he is self contradictory

[@brendahluwanda1542]

Ubert Angel Master of Deception 😳😳😳😳 Twisted all scriptures

[@eliasndhlovu3151]

This is sound doctrine,but I have got a request,pliz we want these videos to be easily accessible to everyone ,

[@lillianmakumbis3808]

Did Christ receive tithe in his time

[@lillianmakumbis3808]

How do you pay tithe spiritual

[@benardmoyo8765]

I wish if I would like million times,,,,Be Blessed apostle

[@eliasndhlovu3151]

This can't be downloaded why?? This is one of the topics that we are hunting for, please do something

[@vanzskies89]

Nhayi makandiwa, sanyangore, ndlovu and angel why force people to say amen?

[@tapiwakunze4067]

Shumba varikuziva shoko,totenda mwari

[@tinashejackson4926]

Imi vanhu vedu variright right here?

[@macdonaldmagwiro816]

Hanzi chegumi changu icho whilst crying 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@siremmanuel4024]

matsotsi

[@macdonaldmagwiro816]

God loves a cheerful giver

[@agnellasungai4192]

Ko munodii kuita dare iri nerurimi rwedu rwechivanhu zvibatsire vakawanda ??

[@danielrevelationprophecies3348]

Where can I buy those two books Apostle Chiwenga?

[@RayJay2024]

Each time on live streaming service, there'll be 📞 numbers on the screen. Pick the one convenient to you.

[@wishykingFX]

If God permits the next Dare we want MAKANDIWA,ANGELS,HUTAWASHE these guys ndivo varoya nyika too bad ne heresy

[@panashechamboko6628]

Ngarinzwikwe kunyika dzose 😊....Thank you Lord

[@sheillamareya6597]

Ndirikuzipirwa zvangu nedare avo vane green t-shirt ndawona vamu ziglag

[@ropafadzaihove4458]

Zimbabwe takawanirwa nyasha naKristu. Shoko ratiri kudzidza harisati rati ranzwika nevakawanda pasi pano. Vamwe vanorinzwa shoko iri and they are very repulsive to it nekuti ihari dzekuparadzwa. Kune nzara kunze uko. Tinotenda Kristu.

[@Godknowsshumbamusic]

Elder Zanda should close the shrine he is confusing other panelists

[@wadzanainyamupenza1704]

Imi!!

[@musafarenhumeyashenyamakut3658]

I don't know with others on this platform but these comments which are being shown on the main screen are obstructing us especially when the verses are being shown. Please minimise or rather avoid showing them as we can still follow the comments on the side panel

[@nyaradzaimarumisa4436]

Tithe is the part of the law

[@takemoremasikasika1856]

It’s clear no tithing in the current dispensation

[@amosmusengei7000]

Murairo waive muperekedzi kuisa Israel kuna kristu .shoko roti kristu zvaakasvika hatichisiri pasi pomuperekedzi.

[@gruserewebs]

Pama videos ayo, pana blaz vapedzesera kubuda avo vekuti before we start anything, go and pay tithe. Ava vakanyanya. Vatori kuitsvaga nedemo.

[@blessingmwax2635]

To God be the glory 🎊

[@sheillamareya6597]

Tinotenda Jesu nekutifira padanda inyasha huru

[@douglaskadzutu8574]

My favourite of all is elder zhanda😅. No need for scripture, ' common sense' all the way🤣

[@giftrutavi1774]

Elder . You are in coherent

[@brendahluwanda1542]

Mathew 23 is old testament I hope they new that..I'm shocked Ubert new that😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@talentnzvenga7458]

if your a pastor you should go ask God who sent you how you should survive...........pamaka panana basa naMwari tatiripo here

[@cynthiabinos8795]

Eredha mukati zvemagwaro hamunei nazvo moita zvecommon sense kkkkk

[@jarredthorpey9004]

A simple question would be , then is there a scripture that says Jesus says , I am pulling out from the laws and commandments these few laws for you people to work with,, and the rest are dead. Well as Jesus Himself says I didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill, whence later Paul says the law is dead , and then we find that we still pull out , "do not steal , do not kill , etc", from the law of Moses but we erase the others like Sabbath ,tithe etc. Well then shall we say the scriptures contradict , or can we say ,, the law that was written in our hearts through Jesus proceed as long as the earth lives as Jesus said. That now we realised the fulfillment of the law by Jesus being believing in Him that all of the laws are in him so they could be done with us through Him as He pleases. So out of Christ the law is dead because "do not steal" , did not make no man right with God , but now "do not steal" in Christ Jesus makes man right with God. So out of Him law is dead , in Him law is alive ,, The power of Jesus to making people right by faith in Him through Him as the law is in Him. It's my suggestion scripturally , I hope its something to help in any ways.

[@shepherdchibatamoto8222]

Test all spirits. Indeed it was done. And some doctrines were found wanting. Apostle Chiwenga doctrine was sharp and abolished the doctrine of tithe left, right and centre with relevant scriptures. Pastor Madzoredze contradicted himself. How could somebody tithe in grace. And how can he be the mediator. A Mortal person like him, oh my God. Although lm a baby in faith but l know l have one mediator who is Jesus Christ. I advice those who congrats with that pastor you shld run coz the only person who wants to be equal with Christ is the devil.

[@musamungwena8762]

Malachi yamunosimbirira inenge ichisimbisa kumavambo kwenyaya kumamwe mabhuku nekuti Mwari vaiti itai izvi muzvizere kuitira muratidze kuterera nekunditya. ZVAKAFANANA NE MA DRILL EKUMASOJA NEMAPURISA. MURAIRO WAKAWUYA SECHIGUMBUTSO KUVANA VA ISRAEL . YOPINZA VANHU MU LEVEL REKUZIVA HUDZAMU HWECHIVI KOITA KUTI UPERE SIMBA NEKUFUNGA FUNGA ZHIRA DZEKURURAMA ASI KUTI SENYOKA YENDARIRA MURENJE UYO NANI NANI AKAITARISA AKARARAMA MISHONGA IRIPO YAKARAMBA KUPORESA MUNHU ASI UYO NANI NANI UCHATARISA JESO KRISTU NDIYE CHETE UCHAPONESWA PAPOIZENI YATAKARUMWA NENYOKA YECHIVI

[@sipelilemutandare7823]

Powerful and amen

[@walterjaydengavi806]

Apostle chiwenga sir can you please bring people who understand the scriptures next time.these ones that you have don't even have any idea of what they're saying. And varikuvhuna ma verse my advice to them is to have a learning spirit and repent from what they're practicing.

[@laizahmadamombe5646]

Dai variko vanoziva magwaro nedare iri ringadai risipo 😊, kusaziva kwavo kuchabatsira vamwewo vari muusungwa humwe chete! 🥰,,,remember kunana mephibhosheth varikwa Zibha varikutswagwa na David ,,,

[@JCTVAfrica]

But it was advertised on Facebook. So people decide not to come it means pane zvavari kutya

[@joeruxtel]

Zhanda is talking his mind not according to the scriptures.....how can you reference your work place or day job as war 🤔🤔🤔 not even a scripture was opened to suffice his sentiments. Thank you Jesus for giving us a Man who reference every question with scriptures. Zhanda 😩😩😩😩

[@wilts8965]

It is scary to think those who preach people should tithe, actually have been preachers for many years. Their level of ignorance and fleshly reasoning is too much

[@nyashamaravanyika23]

Vutabwashe haanyari 😆

[@takemoremasikasika1856]

God bless your wonderful word

[@kingshousetube]

Sadly this is the problem...rather than allowing the Bible to speak for itself we introduce something of common sense. Have we considered that giving freely as the Apostle Paul says in 2 Corinthians 9:7 is good enough?. Seriously if the Apostle Paul was able to get by working and encouraging giving, I really do wonder why we cannot exercise faith today to do the same.10% is not the only way to finance the Kingdom of God...think about giving generously and it may well be more than 10%. God bless.

[@beautyphilips5861]

Why vele u pastor Mazodze can’t keep still, his body language iyamthengisa

[@brendahluwanda1542]

True

[@phillipgwandekwande1522]

next time please invite JOSHUA MAPONGA

[@wilts8965]

Why? That guy is always criticizing the bible

[@Boomslang1]

He's not a Preacher that one, just a Pan Africanist motivational speaker

[@ziizvangu3494]

Utahwashe unonyepa

[@talentnzvenga7458]

😂😂😂😂 of all the preachers Ubert Mudzaniri AKA Angel is the shemless of them all, he is lying in their face as if he is in a grade one classroom. He lied about the bible mentioning faith when Abraham tithed and compined faith & tith as one and then started openning verses to do with faith and to my surprise they all actually applauded 😅.

[@nathanielnkala3969]

I learned hey

[@erisherm.8451]

What did you learn??? Just inquisitive

[@nathanielnkala3969]

@@erisherm.8451 I learned that tithe is a matter of the law and it was exclusively given to Israel

[@laizahmadamombe5646]

Amennnn

[@preciousmangena8972]

According to scriptures 1 Corinthians 15 vs 1 -4 :All scriptures is about Jesus is the CHRIST

[@vuyothwala8705]

We are not there to please people but to please God, stop paying tithe.

[@nyadzaichigomba2727]

All who were not in support of tithing said the truth.Thanks to Apostle Chiwenga for clarifying apologetically.Again thanks to Zhanda for a sterling job. I also think that people who support tithing uses semantics a lot to twist verses to support their ideas.Matthew 23 verse 23 is one such verse.The whole chapter of Matthew 23 speaks of the deception by Pharises.Jesus was condemning the Pharisaic deception of people trying to tithe accurately the spices.Why did Jesus cited the spices leaving the other large things that were tithed.Since Jesus was still leaving under the law, he did not have to outright deny the law, but in many instances in the new testament he began to show a different perception on issues like Sabbath, food

[@brendahluwanda1542]

True. And I think people should define New Testament... Mathew 23 is not new testament 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@TravelGuideS.A]

Toripo paZiklag

[@aaronmunhuweyi5144]

If the law ended as Talent alleges by quoting Romans 10:4 then we are left with no definition of sin. But we all know that sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3 :4) and James and Paul point us to that law as the law of the ten commandments (James 2:8-12; Romans 7:7). The word END in Romans 10:4 should be read to mean OBJECTIVE. Christ is the objective of the law. When I love Christ I stop stealing, lying, coveting, etc. We also encounter the phrase END OF in 1 Peter 1:9; 1 Timothy 1:5 and James 5:11. Reading those verses It doesn't mean the Lord ended or our faith ends etc. It means the OBJECTIVE of the Lord or the OBJECTIVE of our faith or the OBJECTIVE of the commandment

[@sylvesterkwashira9874]

The law was trying to show Christ but was not Christ, the law was a picture or shadow of Christ, when Christ came the law was fulfilled, so we look at Christ not the law , also we look at Christ through the law too because the law witness of Him

[@aaronmunhuweyi5144]

@@sylvesterkwashira9874the law was a shadow of Christ? What do you mean the law was fulfilled? Are you implying the death of Christ expunged the law?

[@sylvesterkwashira9874]

@@aaronmunhuweyi5144 one thing at a time please so we can have a direction , do you agree the law was a shadow of Christ?

[@aaronmunhuweyi5144]

@@sylvesterkwashira9874Okay, one thing at a time, that makes sense. However, we will need to identify which law we are talking about. If its the ceremonial law, I will agree with you.

[@sylvesterkwashira9874]

@@aaronmunhuweyi5144 okay you give a verse that say they is something called ceriamonal law

[@macdonaldmagwiro816]

Ko kupa kunomboda zveku calculator here😂

[@macdonaldmagwiro816]

@Morelife Entertainment nhai nhai

[@macdonaldmagwiro816]

Too much heresy from Dr Ian Ndlovu🥲

[@sheillamareya6597]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@zeruhove]

Shumba chibaba... ndiye anga akabata Dare iri... vamwe vese vachipindurana icho changa chichibhura panonaka poga poga... hahahaha

[@patrickshepherdbondai7156]

Practices in churches revealed

[@kudzaimware9711]

Nyambera 🤔

[@josephbwititi8194]

Apa paita gava 1 kkkk

[@Boomslang1]

The fella in the blue work suit doesn't have a clue, inarticulate and waffling all over the place, don't think he has even read the Bible

[@oddypele5955]

Elder Zhandaaaaaa🤨...🤣😂

[@douglaskadzutu8574]

Ai this guy though

[@nyarshlygafasibanda9168]

Word

[@newmanchinyowa2369]

My sincere wish is for this debate to be broadcasted on national tvs, this will heal a lot of cancer affecting our communities(churches). We will be judged if we don't take heed of these opportunities. Thanks be to God for reintroducing a true original doctrine