DARK AGES: SUPREME COURT OVERTURNING ABORTION RIGHTS

--A leaked Supreme Court decision reveals that Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey will be overturned thanks to the Trump-appointed justices now on the court
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[@swfcocs1]

A perfect example of the huge danger of mixing religion and politics, when people believe they're doing gods work they feel entirely justified in lying cheating or far worse to accomplish their goals

[@damonreynolds6775]

And that's true regardless of religion - same extremist mentality

[@sprybug]

Yeah, if it truly was gods word, they wouldn't have lie and cheat to accomplish it.

[@hypsyzygy506]

@@sprybug Don't forget they will also kill to achieve it.

[@brandong298]

Gods work would be maybe helping the poor so people would be less likely to have abortions.

[@IronChefofPoon]

Religious people don't even read the bible - if they did, they would learn the bible is pro-abortion. That was flipped on its head by Jerry Falwell. Before that there was actually a time when evangelicals were pro-choice.

[@MrKahlerHahn]

So… can we finally stop referring to the USA as a modern, progressive country?

[@keithferris9574]

When did we do that?!!!

[@brewcitymike1]

or the land of the "free" for that matter

[@NickK-v6e]

It's fucking ridiculous how far ahead the other Anglo countries (UK, Australia and Canada) are than the US on certain issues. Healthcare, Abortion, student loans etc.

[@bigmike6461]

It never was.

[@s3.14dervision]

Land of the free my ass! But it is the home of the brave...you gotta be brave to be a woman or minority here!

[@colonelslanders2330]

In my 50 years, I can't remember a right being taken away like this, in such a sweeping fashion. This essentially divides the country, with the south, southwest, and midwest making up the bulk in the middle. All those states will erode abortion rights to nothing. Now, people will say, there will be abortion tourism, but most women in these situations can't afford that, so they will resort to carrying an unwanted fetus or pursue illegal means to end the pregnancy. This will involve the legal system in a way that has not happened in most of our lifetimes. David touched on the pandora's box aspect of this. 100% agree.

[@colonelslanders2330]

@@whyamimrpink78 roe vs. wade

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@whyamimrpink78 this is a notorius troll account. Whypink here is not asking on good faith.

[@mackswellgg]

@@whyamimrpink78 it’s called freedom of choice, nerd, and it’s one of the main principles the US was founded on. You really do have ALLL the bad takes. Absolutely bewildering.

[@aeroripper]

To OP: It essentially sweeps the issue under the rug, it's not just going to disappear. I hope there's a huge political backlash in the midterms from Dems regarding this.

[@MH-be6hr]

This is about far more than banning abortion and possibly birth control. It is about reigning in women, compelling them to return to restrictive traditional roles, and freeing up jobs and careers for the family's male breadwinner. We will see all sorts of civil, women's, disability, and other non-traditional rights being overturned by the Supreme Court and its radical-right agenda. Tough times ahead for all but white males.

[@NickK-v6e]

I think what's angering the most is that the supreme Court didn't decide this from a legal perspective. This was a bunch of religious zealots deciding against the right to have an abortion, because of their religious and personal beliefs. There is no way I will ever be convinced off otherwise.

[@maxie466]

What happened to separation of church and state?!

[@AyjayAlleyway]

You should go read his explanation. Its entire from a legal perspective.

[@M.Campbell]

Exactly. Didn't they have enough cases to work on? Did they get bored? They are reviewing a case that has already been ruled on, not a new case.

[@therealivydawg]

@Roger no it's obvious.

[@RJM56]

@@AyjayAlleyway plausible deniability.

[@Papalegba22]

It's a sad day for the Supreme Court. It's not a decision that truly represents what the USA people want.

[@chrismcdevitt7814]

Neither were the Trump and Bush elections.

[@DJDirtyEars]

Is that the job of SCOTUS? To "represent what the USA people want"?

[@LittleAl016]

@@chrismcdevitt7814 Or the Biden or Hillary nominations.

[@sergioleal613]

@@LittleAl016 they still weren’t half as bad as nearly any Republican choice. Trying to create false parallels is unbecoming.

[@Creslin321]

Even worse, there is this fantasy around the Supreme Court that they are only a neutral body that just interprets the law. So they can do things that are wildly politically unpopular and then pull the “I’m just interpreting the law” card.

[@tigzhalas]

It’s time to kick out those judges

[@bipslone8880]

or stack the court

[@LittleAl016]

By force.

[@cremelynn6339]

If a woman has the right to choose to abort or not, which I’m fully behind and support, then a man has the choice to leave or abandon, fair is fair.

[@LittleAl016]

@@cremelynn6339 The man only has the choice if he's the spouse.

[@jimbob3030]

In a just world they would be immediately impeached for lying to congress and the american people during confirmation hearings. In our world though it's ok to be both the biggest liar ever and get caught in the biggest lie ever and still remain one of the highest judges.

[@JeffRebornNow]

I was 24 and in grad school in the fall of1989 when I went to the largest pro-choice rally in history in Washington, DC. There were lots of young men there my age because they knew these were their friends and sisters and GFs whose right to autonomy over their own bodies was inalienable and needed to be protected. I'm 57 now and, sadly, I guess I have to march again

[@valmacclinchy]

1989..you sure that wasn't spring? April 9, 1989? I was there. And I will join you in marching again.

[@TijuanaK]

Thank you.

[@mikenapolo2490]

id get some Nike shoes...theyre very comfortable

[@madelinelowery3391]

I was there too! I never anticipated this. Settled law my ass! I will never forgive Susan Collins

[@JeffRebornNow]

@@valmacclinchy I tried to send you the link reporting on the Nov. rally but KZbin disallowed it.

[@georgiapeach9519]

I was at Whole Foods today and I got into a random conversation with someone about politics. He was going on about how Dems and Repubs are the exact same. Even after all that has happened. I instantly walked off mid sentence. I usually push back but not this time. I’m at the point where I’m not even entertaining the conversation anymore.

[@cremelynn6339]

I will continue to vote pro-life until the pro-choice people start advocating for men to have freedom of choice too.

[@LittleAl016]

That someone sounds like he's fully awake to what's going on.

[@lesbethtacioni1733]

@@cremelynn6339 I'm not pro-murdering babies. I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20 week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs. I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later. I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child. I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11 year old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal. I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her. I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child. I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction in order to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE amount of fetuses. I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child. I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat. I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager. I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding. You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is: I'm pro-life. Their lives. Women's lives. You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made. Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!

[@chrismcdevitt7814]

Our country has become an insane asylum.

[@lovecatxx]

@@cremelynn6339 I in no way think men should have to have anything to do with children they didn't want, but I don't think a man should have a say in an abortion if he refuses the use of contraceptive on either participant. If he was lied to and a child results from a sexual encounter, I do not think he should be forced to have anything to do with it, but I also don't think he can demand an abortion if he gets to have nothing to do with it. I am pro-choice and this is my stance. Edit: turning 'of' to 'if' due to typo

[@bfk1970]

Elect religious extremists, get Theocratic BS enshrined in the law.

[@mordicus420]

yep Christian Sharia Laws

[@VincenzoGCosta]

There's nothing religious about outlawing infanticide

[@MistedMind]

@@VincenzoGCosta Infants are NOT murdered under the rule of Law. Because infants are babies which have been born to their mothers. Embryos are NOT infants.

[@LittleAl016]

@@VincenzoGCosta It's not infanticide that's being outlawed. It's women's reproductive health.

[@mikenapolo2490]

Awwwwwwww...tsk tsk tsk

[@andreak334]

Another reason to not choose red states as vacation destinations.

[@teeminator30]

What? Are you planning to have an abortion while on a vacation? Yeah 👌 ❄️

[@nas10iris]

@UC4rLaVaSyHdYxzMF5sytEag but pro choice also means pro birth control, which would mean no pregnancy to begin with. If both side could find a way to agree on that, we wouldnt' have so many pregnancies to deal with.

[@cremelynn6339]

I will continue to vote pro-life until the pro-choice people start advocating for men to have freedom of choice too.

[@CorwinFound]

@@cremelynn6339 Men have that choice. Condoms, vasectomy, or abstinence. All easier options for birth control than women have available. How about you be pro-choice until all people, male or female, have free and easy accessibility to all forms of birth control, comprehensive evidence based sex ed, and free healthcare, childcare, and post secondary education for all children who are born.

[@infinitesession5439]

@@cremelynn6339 so tell me are you going to adopt those children that will end up without parents. You have to factor in women who aren't prepared to have children will be forced to have them and they will have to leave them in foster homes and orphanages because let's be honest not everyone is fit to be a parent and this changes things. So I ask you this will you adopt those children.

[@Quick_And_Nerdy]

I could see this making many red states simultaneously poorer and having fewer residents.

[@LittleAl016]

It won't turn those states blue.

[@DJDirtyEars]

Yes. Now please leave.

[@Tiredofthecensorship189]

@@DJDirtyEars Happliy, I'm leaving the U.S.A seeing as fascists pulled this same shit in ww2, I'm historically literate, and one of the first things to go, in both Germany and Italy before democracy fell to a fascist dictator,was abortion enjoy your self inflicted oppression when your freedom of speech and 2nd amendment rights are also repealed by those same conservatives. 50 years of reproductive rights are being overturned for religious zealotry, congratulations on endorsement of fascism in the U.S.A

[@sprybug]

@@DJDirtyEars So, if you're one of those people that fears the minority becoming the majority, then congratulations. This decision will help make that possible even faster.

[@Smellslikeupfrog]

@@LittleAl016 but it would make those states have less representatives in the house & less electoral votes so blue states would get more power. Doubt they want that.

[@vishg5148]

“Small government” Republican Party huh?

[@nehemiahjuarez2753]

Seems like if it happens it would be shrinking the federal government's overreach and handing it back to the states

[@PheonixEXE]

yeah, they're liars and hypocrites

[@vishg5148]

@@nehemiahjuarez2753 last time I checked, getting rid of people’s rights didn’t qualify as small government

[@LittleAl016]

@@vishg5148 It doesn't.

[@nehemiahjuarez2753]

@@vishg5148 it's not an abortion band. It's the federal government saying that they relinquish the power that they usurped back to the states.

[@aggressiveattitudeera887]

And so begins The Handmaid's Tale.

[@End-Result]

No. Never. Cut that fucking defeatism out.

[@carnystrickland4888]

This breaks my heart but I knew this was coming. I been reading Carl Sagan’s book about pseudoscience and religion and he was 100% correct about what he thought the future would be like. It’s a damn shame that these people are throwing us back into dark and scary times!

[@mikenapolo2490]

be responsible for your vagina and you wont need to worry about terminating the life of your child

[@oakinwol]

This is a bit overstated I think. It's just a conversation about personhood. We can make federal law about when we consider a fetus a person, and what rights a fetus has as a person. The entire conversation around this has been incorrect and that's why we can't get anywhere. If a fetus isn't a person until 7 months, then yeah who should be telling mothers what to do with their bodies. If a fetus is a person at 7 months, then yeah how do we let individuals make unilateral decisions on eliminating a person? We just need to decide. And it makes no more sense for each state to decide personhood than it makes sense to allow individual states to decide on enslaving people

[@JJ-qo7th]

@@oakinwol It doesn't matter if a fetus is a person the instant before birth: Forcing the mother to carry it to term is slavery and a violation of her constitutional rights.

[@oakinwol]

@@JJ-qo7th Huh? So if a fetus is a person killing it is not a violation of it's constitutional rights? This is why I'm of the impression that republicans and democrats suffer the same delusions just in different parts of their brains. It's somehow ok to make someone wear a mask they dont want to wear if their not wearing it could maybe possibly affect someone else negatively even if that likelihood is demonstrably small. But then its also somehow ok to literally kill someone so someone else doesn't have to be inconvenienced for 9 months? What is this world you're proposing? No one has absolute rights when those rights affect others. We have to make a decision about how we best protect the most basic rights of both people. Obviously! Once the fetus becomes a person then the calculus MUST change. If it doesn't in your mind then you're literally a walking contradiction. I personally believe in all cases the effect with have on others matters to what "rights" we can claim. I dont get this pick and chose when thats the case stuff that the left and right is trying to sell. It's illogical to me

[@JJ-qo7th]

@@oakinwol If you think a woman should be forced to carry a fetus to term, no matter what the reason, you're pro-slavery, and that's all there is to it. Also, pregnancy isn't "inconvenient." Pregnancy can fucking kill you. Pregnancy is expensive. Pregnancy scars you for life. Pregnancy permanently alters your hormones and your body. Pregnancy can fuck with your mind. Holy shit, dude, you need to reevaluate your assumptions. Maybe go *talk* to some pregnant women before you go telling on yourself like that.

[@mssunnylunarain7]

As a woman in Texas, things have been scary enough lately. Roe v wade was the only thing standing in their way of making abortion completely illegal. Now nothing will stop them. I have felt so sick all day.

[@mr.g4272]

Can we take a moment to appreciate the irony of the same group of people previously trying to mandate maxines for the entire nation now coming back and saying my body my choice?? Riveting isn’t it.…..?? Rot in soy

[@ricardocabeza6006]

Oh wow. I’m so sorry. This must be truly awful when you’re walking down the street and magically become pregnant. It’s too bad pregnancy isn’t caused by a specific activity you choose to engage in.

[@295Phoenix]

@@ricardocabeza6006 Hey, look everyone! Another Fascist for Christ!

[@neosapienz7885]

@@ricardocabeza6006 asinine people make asinine statements. Unless you have your boys snipped you got nothing to say.

[@mendingwall3823]

@@ricardocabeza6006 tell that to girls raped by their father, people who's birth control failed, abuse victims and people with medical conditions. I know someone who got pregnant after having her tubes tied. People don't want to accept that no one wants an abortion. It is a difficult decision based on unfortunate circumstances.

[@thegator589]

I’m going to vote democrat in 2024, and if they lose, I’m leaving, forever. I’ll feel unsafe with dictator trump knowing I voted against him

[@LittleAl016]

@Trump won Fascist.

[@gigiizzy5651]

Meanwhile, the democrats are the only party to punish voters of the opposing party and even jailing them, censor information and speach and created a "misinformation board" but sure, Trump is the dictator, somehow.

[@marycampbell8855]

@ghost mall You'd be very welcome here 🇨🇦 Of course, you'd have to brush up on your hockey skills

[@sprybug]

I did it 3 years ago. The writing was on the wall even before Trump took office. I had been looking for years for work in my field in Canada and I finally got the opportunity 3 years ago.

[@VincenzoGCosta]

😂😂😂😂 bye

[@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot]

It's a sad day for women and freedom for everyone. The state now says you don't have a right to consent to how to how your body is used. This is just the thin edge of the edge. Civil rights go bye-bye if they are perceived to conflict with the Bible. Welcome to the Handmaid Gilead.

[@mr.hhimmler4745]

So don’t take the vaccine then. My body is sovereign and I don’t think vaccines should be forced on anyone.

[@francoiscoetzer9920]

Victory for unborn children to not get murdered.

[@onepartyroule]

"Used"...strange choice of word.

[@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot]

@@francoiscoetzer9920 They aren't children or babies. They are embryos and fetuses.

[@mikenapolo2490]

its not just women...its a sad day for all the men who want to get abortions as well

[@CCJJ160Channels]

In the 3rd presidential debate when asked about overturning Roe v Wade, candidate Trump said: “Well if we put another 2 or perhaps 3 justices on, (…) that will happen. And it will happen automatically in my opinion. Because I am putting pro-life justices on the court. It will go back to the states and the states will make a determination.” He flat out told us, we just didn’t listen.

[@vbachman6742]

Some of us saw this coming 40 years ago.

[@AbiCroCro]

I listened, I’m just a Brit and couldn’t vote on anything

[@YvetteB.]

We heard and knew millions voted against him. Sadly many also thought he didn't have a chance and didn't vote.

[@JJ-qo7th]

I was listening. Where the hell were you?

[@CCJJ160Channels]

@@JJ-qo7th voting for the person that was least likely to take away my rights, the rights of others and not sit on their hands when a pandemic ravaged the country.

[@philipa4707]

Look at what the majority of citizens want. We need separation of church and state now more than ever.

[@vincentrodriguez6376]

It will not happen with boomers still around crippling education on all fronts

[@teeminator30]

It’s none of your business. Let people believe whatever they want. This is America the land of the free.

[@vincentrodriguez6376]

@@teeminator30 Not when it affects my life. This country was formed by diest not Christians and despite that the christian religion dictates our laws. Im tired of it.

[@darthtrayus6066]

Religion should be outlawed entirely.

[@beech5950]

@@teeminator30 What about all the non religious people living here who are not free from living under laws made with obvious Christian motives? Doesn't seem like freedom to me. Would you feel free if we were under Islamic state and they said all men cannot shave?

[@crimsonking5961]

Kudos for the person who leaked the draft opinion. The purpose was to shame the Supreme Court.

[@lorimoore5589]

What I don't understand is why the leak is a big deal. The decision would have eventually been made public, so its just shaming them a few weeks early.

[@shanebracewell98]

It’s absolutely hysterical that so many people are outraged by it but it’s OK for all the criminal things that Trump and his family has done and that the Justice’s have lied under oath. Plus they did an insurrection on the capital, and they are supporting it, right along with the coup Dictator! America has gone to the toilet. They didn’t make America great again, They sent it back to the Stone Age

[@MrMvidz]

Of course it was expected with a number of really "conservative religious" judges. Very little public support, but they'll go ahead anyway.

[@DJDirtyEars]

Is SOTUS supposed to decide cases based on "public support"?

[@titaniusanglesmith6177]

Tell me where Jesus mentions abortion and I will give you a prize. This has nothing to do with religion, even though Kegger Kav and Mother Superior Barrett might think they're holiier than thou.

[@cremelynn6339]

If a woman has the right to choose to abort or not, which I’m fully behind and support, then a man has the choice to leave or abandon, fair is fair.

[@michaelk.jensen1611]

@@DJDirtyEars they are basing it on their on personal beliefs and the support they got for and some of these judges are likely put on the courts to do exactly that. So you right . It's not about public support by human rights and basic rights and not letting a fundamentalists minority religious belief institute theocratic based rules in the us.

[@Smellslikeupfrog]

@@DJDirtyEars is SCOTUS supposed to use their own religious views to make their rulings?

[@mizuhonova]

It's honestly mind-boggling to me how people can vote against their interests to "punish" a certain party. Any politician can easily get a gig at CNN for 6 figure salary if they wanted, no one's being "punished" other than the people.

[@danielmortimer532]

I agree with what you're saying. But honestly this is the fault of left leaning citizens for not voting enough. The vast majority of America is either purely left leaning or moderately liberal in their opinions and aren't interested in "punishing" Democrats. And most want to keep Roe v Wade. The problem has always been that a large chunk of the left don't vote, especially the millennial demographic which is almost completely liberal, and people of color don't vote enough either (although the issue with low turnout for minorities is sometimes discrimination). If the majority of people under 35 voted and most people in minority groups voted, Republicans would never win and human rights wouldn't be in jeopardy. Instead the majority of consistent voters are white baby boomers who overwhelmingly vote Republican, and until that shifts nothing will change. Conservative white baby boomers view voting as a moral and religious duty while a lot of liberals don't have a worldview that compels them to consistently vote. Young people and minorities not voting is why Florida has now gone so far right, because a bunch of old white boomers moved down there in droves when they retired and almost ALWAYS vote Republican. Non-voting liberals lack of action has immense consequences. Our entire system is essentially being run by out of touch geriatrics, and it will probably get much worse if we don't wake up. There's absolutely no reason AT ALL for things to be going backwards when liberal social and economic policies are more popular than ever, and the extremist white conservative/christian faction of America statistically continues to fade and die off. Everyone on the left needs to make sure they get to the polls!

[@lorimoore5589]

If you are on the left an voted independent you bear responsibility. Its why we are here now. People that don't vote are wrong for that but usually they just don't care, but the people that care enough to go vote and waste that vote on a candidate that can't win, played a role in trump being elected and his Supreme court picks.

[@kimmcdonagh6756]

I see what your saying, but the DNC and Hilary are to blame. (1) the DNC used unelected superdelegates to make Hilary the nominee regardless of the wishes of the electorate. (2) and then Hilary proceeded to give the 🖕 to 15% of the voting base!!!! But these are just things to remember for the future. Really 99.99999999% of the blame is the Federalist Society, Koch Brothers & ignorant Trumpists.

[@1973vanguard]

Old world thinking. That's the reason. We may live in the age of "freedom" but we are not free. Too many people in this country think like their ancestor Colonizers do. hundreds of years later, and they still think that way (the types that believe witches need to be burned at the stake, like that.)

[@LittleDeeNJ]

The Handmaid's Tale was supposed to be fiction, not an instruction book!!!

[@nancystowell4877]

1984 Was written as a warning and the Republican/Conservative/Trumpist Party have been using it as an instructional manual!

[@rainmaker6261]

Haha amazing comment Den. Love the deep cut handmaid's tale reference. Not a lot of people will get the joke here - will go right over their heads - but I'm a big fan.

[@DougKoper]

What do you know about that. We have supreme court justices that are willing to lie for the job.

[@DJDirtyEars]

I assume you're talking about KBJ when she said she couldn't provide a definition for "woman".

[@nates9029]

We have RELIGIOUS Supreme Court Justices that are willing to lie for the job and for their personal religious beliefs. This is further evidence that Conservstives don't actually care about the Constitution.

[@Asher_Tye]

Which makes you wonder how much they're lying now when they say this can't be used to go after same sex marriages or civil rights...

[@DJDirtyEars]

@Delicious Chest Hair What's your definition of "woman"?

[@Zelorp]

What’s yours? Spoiler: there is no legal definition of woman that has been used in any legal case whatsoever.

[@ericblair54]

I used to admire, even envy the U.S.. In the last 10 years the U.S. has regressed and is now passing draconian laws. I have never been prouder to live in Toronto and am a Canadian. I now have pity on your soon authoritarian country.

[@willjapheth23789]

We are not remotely authoritarian. And many of our worst problems are decades old

[@ericblair54]

@@willjapheth23789 I respectively disagree. The U.S.A. is well on it's way to a neo-fascist authoritarian country. You have one party, the Repukelicans(sic) who are full on Machiavellian. with no platform, no substance, just power at any cost(Democracy.)Will, save this comment and read it again in 2025.

[@willjapheth23789]

@@ericblair54 noted. Demagoguery is a big problem in America these days but the underlying issues they try to inflame are old. Ethnic and racial minorities, gay and trans folk, and women have all seen improvements, reactionaries are just really loud and clever with their framing of issues.

[@NeatNoodle]

This should be scary for the right as well. If ones constitutional rights can be stripped once established, their gun rights can go as well.

[@kevinpurscell7283]

They don't care about life after you are born.

[@regulatedfreestylevideos]

point taken but the gun issue is unique in the way they've made it clear they will murder everyone with the guns if laws around them were to change

[@LittleAl016]

Nope. They want this to happen.

[@Kc-dq7zj]

I thought about that too, but I think they worded this purposely knowing that guns would be brought up. The opinion says numerous times that "The right to an abortion isn't in the original constitution." So, of course, when gun issues come to them they can say "but that's an original constitutional right." It's just insane that this is happening.

[@Kc-dq7zj]

@@kevinpurscell7283, precisely.

[@brittany9627]

What is happening. I’m moving back to Canada. This is why I chose perm resident and not Citizenship this is Mental

[@mikenapolo2490]

CYA

[@sama2903]

I truthfully regret not taking 2016 seriously enough, and not voting with consequences in mind. Avoiding a vote between the lesser of two evils has now affected more than half of the entire country.

[@kingnothingx7890]

Why ? Obama could have ratified it and made it law so could biden they did nothing but allowed this

[@shanebracewell98]

Please vote and get as many people as you can to vote with you. Help them get to the polls, because they’re trying to obstruct voting also.

[@arrow1414]

What was "evil" about Hillary?

[@sama2903]

@@shanebracewell98 Moving to a purple state this summer. My current state has gone deep red.

[@sama2903]

@@arrow1414 War hawk, keeping the status quo of our corporate economic system, not making healthcare a right for all allowing the for- profit system to take advantage of patients who do not have the means for treatment without insurance.

[@kg9836]

GOP - Vaccines - my body, my choice. Also GOP - Abortions - your body, my choice.

[@willjapheth23789]

It works both ways

[@toadeepants]

This will inflict massive suffering and death -for women.

[@DJDirtyEars]

Unborn children, on the other hand.....

[@dominicpardo4783]

@@DJDirtyEars You mean lumps of cells?

[@DJDirtyEars]

@Rae Tavia Can they be declared medically dead?

[@DJDirtyEars]

@@dominicpardo4783 Was that your mother's nickname for her kids? Lumps of cells?

[@LittleAl016]

@@DJDirtyEars They're not medically alive until they take their first breath.

[@DAEDRICHHHH-TUCKER19]

LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE BRAVE!!! (for white men)

[@stephenr85]

Oh, is that why so many of my neighbors with the same socioeconomic status have a variety of skin colors and nationalities? Grow up and stop being a racist.

[@DAEDRICHHHH-TUCKER19]

oh my apologies i had no idea your personal anectdote speaks for the millions of minorities who are disproportionately in poverty in this country

[@cremelynn6339]

I want to be pro-choice. The only reason I am pro-life is because men do not have the same voice or freedom of choice as women do on whether or not they want to be in the life and have rights and responsibilities of the child. If the pro-choice crowd started advocating for men's choice as well, then I would be pro-choice.

[@gattaca5911]

@@stephenr85 sorry racist the numbers prove our point that poc have been victimized by far more than whitey...own it racist!

[@stephenr85]

@@DAEDRICHHHH-TUCKER19 while it IS relevant that many of my peers are diverse, there are different minorities with higher percentages of success rates than white people. Funny how people like you have been propagandized to use "anecdote" like a buzzword without even knowing the actual data. We're just people, most of us subject to the same hierarchies and systemic imbalances as everyone else. Maybe if we look at attributes other than RACE of impoverished communities (of which many are white) we could identify and address the problem(s) more effectively. You think if Roe v. Wade is overturned that the results would apply differently by race, or why make the assertion? By defaulting to blaming everything on racism and keeping your finger pointed aimlessly at "white men" you have become the sexist and the racist.

[@xEnder515]

This excites me. If the Republicans actually destroy precedence then there is literally no valid reason why we can't pack the court and overrule every ruling we didn't like. Citizen United comes to mind immediately 😁

[@dreamingaboutouterspace3878]

The problem is our 'Democratic' leaders have no spine and are so bad at Politics. Disgustingly unaggressive.

[@xEnder515]

@@MakeMagic I wonder if any real lawyer would say overruling 50 years of precedence is a bit illegitimate

[@willjapheth23789]

Do you not think brown vs the board of education should have overturned plessy v ferguson?

[@xEnder515]

@@willjapheth23789 Plessy v Ferguson was about "separate but equal" Now I ask you, did blacks ever get equal treatment in America? Did they ever get reparations? Did people who attack black people receive justice ? No, what we got was 100 years of Jim Crowe. No equality means no separation. The law was never upheld. Lemme ask you, if a law is on the books and nobody follows it and isn't held accountable, does it exist?

[@willjapheth23789]

@@xEnder515 you know red states have played the same round about games with abortion, right? Reconstruction failed. You need the law and the courts to support you if you want to be secure in whatever right you want. You rely on courts and now get overturned. It happens. Turns out democracy and society needs alot of people to agree with you before a societal problem will be fixed. Go back to the voting booth, if you really care.

[@ryantennyson7562]

If The Supreme Court reverses Roe v Wade and states institute draconian laws, America may become more divided than now. Is the Court to define life?

[@KB4QAA]

The court will define life if it comes before them in an appealed case.

[@curiousabout1]

Will, not may. And that's a feature, not a bug.

[@mikenapolo2490]

yes

[@scherzva]

They want this.

[@smartaMartini]

They do want the 1850s. The last enslaved person was freed in 1942 from Beeville TX, so they don't want the 1950s.

[@mikenapolo2490]

and millions of blacks are STILL enslaved on the Democrat run inner city plantations...nothings changed since 1865

[@dianehutchins22]

Definitely voting all blue..I use to be an independent and would vote either way based on what I thought was beneficial to my economic situation but this is the last straw….

[@jimbob3030]

Voting for the party of tax breaks for the rich never benefitted you economically though, it means you just fell for their lies.

[@NaturalNexus]

Red is economically quite weak if you look at the long run.

[@LittleAl016]

That's what led up to this mess in the first place. This isn't to say that you should vote red, either, unless if that red happens to be a Communist red.

[@ingridschmid1166]

@@NaturalNexus What is worse is that voting on short term economic interests is necessarily an awful mistake that people make because they believe it makes them look smart.

[@dianehutchins22]

@@ingridschmid1166 I’m a small business owner and my retirement depends on making smart investments..the tax breaks helped my business. I have a series 6 I don’t have to “Look Smart”

[@jptothetree]

It really is a damn shame the havoc -Christians- cause in this country. It's just never ending.

[@shirleysear7168]

So called...

[@YvetteB.]

It wasn't just this country. Religious beliefs have caused devastation in every country they are in, since they started.

[@mikenapolo2490]

leave

[@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot]

If you want a preview of where this is going, look at Venezuela where the Catholic Church controls things. A woman in Venezuela can (and are) can be jailed for a miscarriage. All it takes for conviction is a complaint from a male. No evidence that it was an attempted abortion is required. This is what a Christian Gilead looks like.

[@neosapienz7885]

@@mikenapolo2490 just because other people are idiots doesn’t mean the rest of us have to put up with it, much less leave.

[@fern7306]

We’re going to have a lot of women dropping out of the workforce and college❗️This does not bode well for society

[@KB4QAA]

Maybe sex won't be so casual and irresponsible.!

[@waffleweave]

@@KB4QAA Stop shaming sex. And stop trying to control peoples bodies you vile excuse of a human being.

[@leifanderson3487]

20$ that Pelican brags about the amount of women he slept with.

[@shawnnewell4541]

It might also increase suicides and child and spousal abuse.

[@janelgoolsby2135]

@@KB4QAA you want to ruin peoples lives because you think sex is bad... or is this punishment because no woman wants you? I bet you believe your owed sex too? I think I found our encel voter!

[@irishdivajeffries6668]

I would never have an abortion, but I’ll firmly support Roe vs Wade as there needs to be safe access to abortion and not go back to back alley abortions.

[@irishdivajeffries6668]

Besides, tRump paid for many abortions and wanted his own Tiffany aborted!

[@joyceroberts3886]

If this SC decision stands, the back alleys and unsafe, unhealthy conditions is where it's headed, unless of course you happen to be a white, monied, established professional female, with a problem

[@tugboat2030]

You sure you wouldn't have an abortion if your child had a severe physical abnormality?

[@craigcrawford6595]

That's not even remotely a logical reason to keep it legal, at all. .

[@craigcrawford6595]

@@tugboat2030 So in other words, you would. .

[@steve01949]

Amnesty International quote "CRIMINALISING ABORTION DOES NOT STOP ABORTIONS, IT JUST MAKES ABORTION LESS SAFE"

[@rusticpartyeditz]

Republicans are dumb?

[@pleaseenteraname1103]

Yes it makes them less safe what the hell is your point.

[@31webseries]

I'm legitimately very scared and freaked out that we've got a right wing court that's willing to reverse super precedents.

[@mikenapolo2490]

oh well...deal with it Cupcake

[@xEnder515]

@@mikenapolo2490 Can't wait to pack that court and overrule any precedent we want. 😁 Thank you republicans

[@mikenapolo2490]

@@xEnder515 yeah, good luck with that

[@xEnder515]

@@mikenapolo2490 Don't need luck, just need one winning election cycle 😘

[@mikenapolo2490]

@@xEnder515 and Terrance Williams has some delicious pancake mix if youre out

[@FreezyAbitKT7A]

How do we impeach Scotus appointees when they are the opinion of what the constitution is. Sure they can be impeached but will never be convicted by the Senate. What effect does censure apply to Scotus... are they denied a vote ? Then appoint 3 more justices that are non-partisan

[@simon4179]

I'm British and can't believe how religion and politics are so intertwined in the US Land of the free ? What an absoloute mess .

[@MoraqVos]

What other democracy would allow judges to make law instead of applying it?

[@LittleAl016]

No democracy whatsoever.

[@MartianManHunter7]

It's really funny, this is actually the reason they are overturning it. Roe v Wade was law created by the scotus which as you said judges shouldn't be enacting laws. Congress can easily have passed a law protecting abortion rights specially during Obama's super majority but they didn't.

[@crash4267]

That's not Democracy

[@mikenapolo2490]

they didnt "make" the law...they simply ruled its not a "Constitutional right" to kill the unborn

[@willjapheth23789]

How is this making law? They are saying there's no legal standing for the fed to limit state laws on abortion.

[@justinstoll4955]

Obviously this is a very concerning point on Nations history. But more importantly they're actually attacking the root of privacy laws in general which is even more problematic.

[@mikenapolo2490]

kinda like they attacked HIPA laws by forcing people to disclose their personal medical info regarding their vaccination status?

[@dustinsindledecker154]

The supreme court is broken it needs to be reformed or needs to be broken up.

[@mikenapolo2490]

Awwwwwwwww...poor baby

[@Starcrash6984]

@@mikenapolo2490 Dustin didn't cry here. He stated his opinion, one that's clearly based on evidence. And you trolled it because you can't help yourself. Are you part of a troll farm? The comments from pro-lifers are all of this "quality", without substance and even without effort, much like what we saw from Russian troll farms leading up to the 2016 election.

[@mikenapolo2490]

@@Starcrash6984 OMG...LOL still pushing that "Russia" shit from 2016...been debunked thousands of times...the horse is LONG dead, no sense in beating it any longer lol

[@pleaseenteraname1103]

Because I didn’t like this decision therefore they should be broken up that’s what you’re saying.

[@darthtrayus6066]

It needs to be dismantled entirely.

[@PattiMoreno212]

Dems are going to win if this is released before November. Thank You GOP. Just what we needed! Every woman will be voting in the next election. When’s the March on the Supreme Court? I will be there.

[@mikenapolo2490]

LOL...keep dreaming Cupcake...the Dems are getting SLAUGHTERED this November

[@willjapheth23789]

Every woman I know is pro life.

[@End-Result]

But what are the Dems going to do? This is THEIR fault for doing nothing.

[@willjapheth23789]

@@End-Result good good, eat your own, infight

[@1960ivor]

Theocratic Fascism? just the start of the darkness to come but i hope I'm wrong

[@cremelynn6339]

If a woman has the right to choose to abort or not, which I’m fully behind and support, then a man has the choice to leave or abandon, fair is fair.

[@CorwinFound]

@@cremelynn6339 Males have the choice to not have children. It's called a condom or vasectomy. When men lose those rights I'll give them the right to walk away from children they helped produce.

[@KB4QAA]

Lo: No. A return to states making laws on matters not covered by the Constitution.

[@LittleAl016]

@@KB4QAA Which is what this isn't.

[@leetroy3129]

I too am afraid that you are right about the darkness to come.

[@LadyWhinesalot]

'There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation'... Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau

[@adrenochrome_slurper]

This whole system of reinterpreting documents that while revolutionary for the time are antiquated in the 21st century makes these horrendous decisions possible. The constitution is a document that should be changed when necessary, and the founding fathers understood this well.

[@jokester3076]

You can blame the republicans, but you really should blame the democrats for squandering supermajorities they had in the past, they could’ve amended and codified roe v wade into the constitution so no judge could ever overturn it. Democratic politicians didn’t want a permanent fix because they had a vested interest in keeping the abortion battle going, it’s how the party has kept the women’s vote locked in.

[@RJM56]

@Roger YES. And fully one third (10) of those changes - the Bill of Rights - made in 1791 two years after your country's Constitution became its Basic Law. One change three years later related to state sovereignty immunity in 1794 and one a further ten years later linking the election of president and vice-president in 1804. Making twelve out the total 27 changes in the first fifteen years after your Constitution was ratified. The remaining fifteen changes in the 218 years since. Nothing for sixty years. Three in the aftermath of the Civil War, 1865-70. Then a further nothing for forty-three years. Then six in twenty years including the two that reversed one another: One that allowed Congress to levy income tax and one that allowed election of US senators by popular vote both in 1913. Two relating to Prohibition in 1919 and its appeal in 1933. One that granted women the vote in 1920 (decades after other western democracies, including mine I might add). One that changed term dates for presidents, vice presidents and Congress in 1933. None for eighteen years. One limiting presidential term numbers in 1951. Then a flurry of four in ten years 1961-71 regarding elections, voter entitlement and succession. And one regarding the timing of congressional pay increases in 1992. Again nothing for 30 years. A number of changes were really significant but others not much more than administrative. Not really that responsive to contemporary needs.

[@willjapheth23789]

Aw but using democracy to pass amendments is too hard! That's only worth doing for voting rights, apparently.

[@adrenochrome_slurper]

@Roger I was surprised how many were added since the only ones discussed are usually those until the 13th. The last one concerning rights was added to enable women to vote, which was quite a while ago. The problem remains that the supreme court uses the rather vague amendments contained in the bill of rights to decide abortion cases. Maybe it would be a better idea to incorporate human rights in a new amendment, as it is the foundation of many constitutions in Europe.

[@antoniopizarro7670]

Does anyone care? Then volunteer. Make calls. Write letters. Vote. Or else this will be our permanent future.

[@imnotmike]

How about a little bit of blame for the democratic establishment that doesn't feel like it's important to give us candidates that we want to vote for, or do anything for their voters to make them feel like voting for your candidates is worthwhile.

[@jasminerubin6026]

Yeah, like Sanders. They did everything to sabotage him twice when he was running and popular instead of letting it be a free and fair election. It was the damage they were willing to bare not letting a candidate that was supposed to be on their side win fair and square. It's just speculation of course, but I doubt I was the only one suspicious when Sanders lost the nomination and some sort of app counting votes kept sending mainly Sanders' votes to different candidates.

[@LadyWhinesalot]

"If a fetus is a person at 6 weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts? Is that also when you can't deport the mother because she's carrying a US citizen? Can I insure a 6-week fetus and collect if I miscarry? Just figuring if we're going there, we should go all-in" - Carliss Chatman, Law Professor, Washington and Lee University (2019)

[@mikenapolo2490]

have the SCOTUS rule on those points

[@spaceballs44]

Well when you take something you have to give back, since Abortion will be gone I make it legally necessary for boys at the age of 12 to get a vasectomy. And when they can learn a trade or go to the university and finish and then are out of debt meaning college loans, housing, car health and life insurance covered utilities and are in a long term stable relationship then if you want a reverse vasectomy go for it.

[@targaghjj]

That's a damn good idea.

[@notyourroad]

I couldn't agree more.

[@mikenapolo2490]

how about women be responsible vagina owners instead?

[@Cheesedream]

Except reversing a vasectomy is only 90% effective.

[@willjapheth23789]

That might be a trade pro life people would go for, but abortion won't be gone except in a few red states.

[@jemert96]

Those judges are a bunch of liars. Telling people one thing during their hearing, then go and do the opposite once they're confirmed

[@kl9809]

Don't forget Mitch McConnel's role in this Dark Ages BS.

[@Kc-dq7zj]

This is just disgusting. I cannot believe this is happening. Unfuckin believable.

[@loriwoloshyn7266]

This forces many women to seek termination of life in some very dangerous ways, kinda like it was in the dark ages, this is very disturbing.

[@mikenapolo2490]

how about being responsible for your vagina and use protection?

[@willjapheth23789]

Nah, women just left their infants out to die of exposure back then

[@maclectic]

@@willjapheth23789 female infants

[@willjapheth23789]

@@maclectic anyone, but some cultures did more so to little girls. Others sacrificed their first born son.

[@jamesbreen8416]

Why could they not have a national vote on abortion that would be better than the courts doing it.That is what we did in ireland we had a vote on abortion and everyone gets a say thats what you call freedom not like you think you have in america.

[@stephaniel4679]

The problem is simply MINORITY RULE!

[@trickster147]

They should really change the term to the TYRANNY OF NEOCONSERVATIVE MINORITY

[@timsmith5133]

If this leaked opinion is the final decision, I will vote for every Democrat on my 2022 ballot. - A Lifelong Republican

[@phytoswillams7835]

You're responsible for this is the first place .

[@tarag7292]

Thank you for your support. I am so grateful that this will galvanize some on the right to really open their eyes and see.

[@CallowG]

"Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places and under any circumstances to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake." - Cipolla

[@lamikiminach9503]

Also Hilary is to blame for being a bad candidate. RBG is to blame for not retiring at the age of like 112. Past dem presidents with super majorities that didn’t codify Roe into federal law are to blame. Mitch McConnell is to blame for blocking Obamas nominee. Lot of blame to go around.

[@alexpkeaton4471]

and Bill Clinton for calling Trump and encouraging him to run just to hurt JEB in the primaries. That plan worked out great...

[@tarag7292]

Yes!! Thank you! Like I said, so many terrible incompetence and political mishandling lead to this moment, not just because there were people who didn't vote in 2016. David needs to be ashamed for spouting this crap.

[@joshuafass5841]

It is time to increase the size of the courts, over turn this decision and then over turn every pro-republican Law on the books because nothing is sacred. Then make laws that hinder Republican voting rights, because nothing is sacred.

[@willsofer3679]

No. I don't want to disenfranchise anyone from voting, regardless of the repugnance and possible danger of their misinformed opinions. Enfranchise everyone, make it fair and accessible, and that will largely solve the problem. They're the minority, and one that's fading, as most Republicans are over 60. It's the entire reason they're passing all of these restrictive voting laws, gerrymandering, and stacking the courts. Because they can't win otherwise, if voting is accessible to everyone.

[@joshuafass5841]

@@willsofer3679 I was thinking more along the lines of eliminating the current voting redistricting put in charge by Republican governors and make voting districts the same as cities or counties. So no longer can anyone Jerrymander those lines.

[@mikenapolo2490]

i believe thats called Fascism

[@mikenapolo2490]

i believe thats called Fascism

[@willjapheth23789]

Man, so much for being for democracy. One disagreement and you go all f the system im taking over. It's as pathetic as when the south left the union (if y'all actually do that)

[@RasDaKaiGaming]

We also blame McConnell. When he stopped Obama from picking a Supreme Court justice.

[@wddilly8488]

You mean the justice that is now working for the DOJ and being absolutely useless? Don't know how useful he'd be on the supreme court.

[@RasDaKaiGaming]

@@wddilly8488 better than a Supreme Court filled with right wingers that have no pushback to overturn roe v wade. Not saying he'd be perfect or a savior but I imagine he'd be a reliable supporter of roe v wade

[@MartianManHunter7]

Blame Hillary for being such a terrible candidate and losing the election

[@iolitelight]

Well, let's blame the voters who elect the McConnells of the world. I know there is gerrymandering and voter suppression but even that can taken down by voters who en masse refuse to be treated this way. Voters let it get this bad. Stupid is as stupid votes.

[@RasDaKaiGaming]

@@MartianManHunter7 thats true. While Democrats our only hope some of them often take our votes for granted and just expect us to show up regardless of how terrible the candidate is

[@DLudGolf]

Have republicans stated or passed any laws to deal with a forced birth national policy? Besides give more money and children to the church? We are 1 law away from handmaids Tale people!, go register to vote and vote for the next twenty years to try and undo this.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

You said ominously recently that we were weeks away from this, when it was really just DAYS...

[@Jefuslives]

You can hear alito's voice quaking as he answered that question. Clearly lying.

[@8ofwands300]

He may be the WORST Justice in 100 years. Though, Coney Barrett, Kavanaugh and Thomas are close seconds. As someone who was baptized Catholic, I will observe that all these idiots are Catholic. 😐

[@AdamLeisemann]

A lot of folks stuck in Red States simply can't afford to move to a Blue State. All we can do is vote the GOP out to the best of our ability. And sadly, even that seems to not be enough. We're fucked in all the worst ways.

[@mikenapolo2490]

you sure are

[@greedo2660]

The vast majority of Americans support abortion rights. So this could help Dems in the midterms.

[@LittleAl016]

Which, even if true, will change nothing.

[@CorwinFound]

Help the Dems to do....??? Obama and Biden both campaigned on legislating Roe v Wade. This *never* should have gotten to the Supreme Court. Dems have proven feckless cowards unwilling to do almost anything. Sure, they haven't *tried* to remove the rights of the people but they've left it open to interpretation. Marriage equality is next. Precedence means nothing to these judges and there are no laws stopping them. And Dems don't have the balls to do anything about it other than use it as leverage yet again for votes.

[@s0515033]

It won't make any difference, really. Calling it now. The Democrats inherited an economic collapse caused by a global pandemic. People are going to care more (rightly so) about their economic situation, even if the current administration had nothing to do with their current economic woes (since it is a global problem caused by another global problem). That's the way things are. Republicans will win in 22 and problem 24. The latter being a product of the economy eventually improving and the pandemic going away. They will take credit for it 100%.

[@greedo2660]

@@s0515033 Yes, sadly I believe you're right.

[@shanebracewell98]

We need a blue wave migration to the red states. This would help with local and state wide elections. If Democrats stay in one state they have no power to change anything. They need to move. This is crucial for democracy. Please help get this message out. Arizona Georgia and Florida are desirable locations for Californians, plus if they come in numbers they’ll be with like minded people , there are already Democrats but not enough. It won’t take much to get a majority in Florida, Ron DeSantis only won by 32,000 votes against an unknown candidate. But we do need to get throughout Florida to have majority in the capital

[@LittleAl016]

No. We need a purge to rid our society from worms lurking within it.

[@cremelynn6339]

I will continue to vote pro-life until the pro-choice people start advocating for men to have freedom of choice too.

[@pri.sci.lla.]

It sounds nice but I wouldn’t ever move to a deep red state, maybe a swing state though.

[@canuckprogressive.3435]

@@cremelynn6339 What are you even talking about?

[@ElisonJackson]

@@canuckprogressive.3435 look at their profile. It's a Russian bot, lol

[@alicantino1151]

I don't know why, but this whole abortion issue has opened my eyes and made me realize that the right-wing religious mindset is basically the equivalent of the "woke left". All of these religious people trying to pass laws based on their personal religious beliefs can be called "woke conservatives" as far as I'm concerned.

[@gigiizzy5651]

I guess you could say I am pro life but I am not religious and I NEVER hear conservatives using religious arguments against abortion. The belief that says you shouldn't kill a baby stems from the simple fact that it's a *living* human and there's a lot of science to back it up: From heartbeat, Brain function to pain sensors. The only emotional arguments come from the pro "choice " side in the form of "my body my choice" , "it's just a clump of cells", "it doesn't have consciousness" and other easily debunkable mumbo jumbo.

[@wellfleetion]

Really, it's not even close. The GOP wants to take away your rights and freedoms. No Electoral College and letting the country be run by a minority of morons.

[@alicantino1151]

@@gigiizzy5651 So the only thing I can really say is that we must be listening to different groups of people. There are plenty of people on the right who DO justify their anti abortion beliefs with their religious convictions. And the ones that aren't as vocal about them, are, at the very least, still using religious undertones as the basis for their arguments. Also, when it comes to the abortion debate, I don't really engage in the whole "person hood" debate because I think the more important debate is about bodily autonomy for women.

[@alicantino1151]

@@gigiizzy5651 Also, I find it interesting you used the expression "my body my choice", because when it comes to say, the coronavirus vaccines, a lot of antivaxxers use that same exact argument, when in reality their just being hypocritical as we are now seeing with the abortion issue. Now, to be fair, I have no idea what your personal views on the different corona vaccines are. For all I know you support the vaccines and maybe even the mandates along with it, so please don't think I'm staw-manning your position. I brought that up merely to highlight the hypocrisy of this anti-abortion legislation.

[@xEnder515]

They literally were the first sjws crying about gays and abortions 40 years ago, and black people 60 years ago

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

👩🏻👱🏼‍♀️👩🏿👩🏼‍🦰👱‍♀️👩🏻‍🦰👩🏻‍🦳🙇🏿❤ Her Body Her Choice.

[@cremelynn6339]

If a woman has the right to choose to abort or not, which I’m fully behind and support, then a man has the choice to leave or abandon, fair is fair.

[@cameron339]

@@cremelynn6339 How is that fair?

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

@@cremelynn6339The Hell are you talking about? Abandoning a woman they impregnated is not the same as getting an Abortion that saves a women's life.

[@willjapheth23789]

@@user-em6ie2be7x the vast majority of abortions are not life saving.

[@ricardocabeza6006]

@@user-em6ie2be7x Out is curiousity, why are you pretending abortions are some life saving procedure. While yes, some women have complications during pregnancy, the vast majority of abortions are perfectly healthy pregnancies that are simply unwanted. Why do you purposefully ignore this fact in your argument? Does it help you morally justify killing unborn children if you convince yourself every abortion saves the mother’s life?

[@stevec3872]

It's too bad that in 2016 that more of the thousands on the Left who felt they were too noble or righteous and couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton in the swings states would have done so because imagine an America where there never was a president Trump or his SC picks. For of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these...it might have been.

[@christophergreen6595]

Sure sure... by the numbers, tho, you could just as easily blame liberals who voted for Trump. Their #s outweigh the first group.

[@stevec3872]

@@christophergreen6595 Well, NPR did report that 10% of the BoBs did vote for Trump to teach the Democratic Party a lesson for not nominating Bernie. I'm sure they would do the same in '24. In '16 here in WI the Green Party received more votes than Trump's margin of victory & those weren't Republicans.

[@shermanculbertson6244]

The GOP has been living in the 1950s for a long time.

[@chrismorgan283]

Damn, I thought they were in the 1350's.

[@Xpistos510]

You could argue that supporting abortion is bronze age considering that God endorses it in the Old Testament.

[@nas10iris]

Please tell me where, because I am sure my family will try to tell me the BIble doesn't say that and I will need ammunition.

[@cremelynn6339]

I will continue to vote pro-life until the pro-choice people start advocating for men to have freedom of choice too.

[@CorwinFound]

@@nas10iris There are any number of examples where God supported the murder of pregnant women. But the gold standard of abortion in the Bible is Numbers 5:19-21. The Ordeal of Bitter Waters. Basically a man can bring his wife before a priest if he suspects her of adultery. The priest gives her a potion (abortifacient) and if she miscarries, then it's God's judgement on her as an adulterer. If she doesn't miscarry, then she is deemed a good wife. Another good one is Exodus 21:22-25. It describes the different punishments that can be meted out if a pregnant woman is assaulted. If she miscarries due to the assault but suffers no harm to her own self, there is a monetary fine. If *she* is harmed then the punishment is life for a life, hand for a hand etc. The unborn child is not considered a "life" and only worthy of a monetary fine.

[@irisbelle8]

@@cremelynn6339 men dont have to worry about the dangers and discomforts and responsibilities of being pregnant. Men's choice dont matter as much. Thats like saying your moms opinion of your tattoo is more important than your own opinion, and if she wants you to have a tattoo of a dog licking itself then you should get it because her opinion matters more even though it's something happening to you and your body, not hers, you go through the pain, not her, and it will affect YOU forever but your mom can just walk away from it. I know it seems unfair for men, but it's actually not. Should a rapist also get a choice about the fetus? Should a person be made to keep a baby from such a trauma that they would rather not have?

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@cremelynn6339 Creme here is a russian troll paid per engagement. Ignore them, block them, and report whenever possible.

[@sacrednavigator5003]

- If we're coming from a Biblical perspective; According to Genesis, a fully formed body is as no more than dust, up until God breathes into it - the "Breath of Life" , at which point the body-form is enlivened (inhabited ). If what is written is taken literally in any case. The fact is that Moralists are merely conjecturing on things they scarcely understand, causing untold suffering through their hubris and ignorance. Ultimately, to each his own, otherwise we needlessly harm one another all the while believing that we are doing God's work. We are not, and the proof is in the fruit such activity bears. If we love babies, wonderful. Once they are born, let us collectively see to it that ours is a society that provide the necessary resources to enrich their lives. Otherwise, let us - please, just stay out of other peoples business, and PROVE to ourselves the veracity of our strongly held beliefs. Romans 14:22 "...Do you have faith? HAVE IT TO YOURSELF before God. Happy is he who does not condemn HIMSELF in what he approves of or disapproves." What little there is on subject of abortion in the Bible hardly substantiates a belief that a fetus, prior to birth, possesses personhood - quite the contrary in fact. Exodus 21:22-25 If I kick your wife in the stomach during a fight with you, aborting the baby, then eye for an eye only applies to injuries to your wife. The abortion is only a fine, in that the fetus is property. Numbers 5:11-31 Abortion as a punishment for adultery. Deuteronomy 28:18-53 Eating your fetus as a punishment. 2 Kings 8:12 burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women. 2 Kings 15:16 killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword. Hosea 9:10-16 God will abort your fetus. Hosea 13:16 For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword.

[@fishbone2921]

This is a sad time for women and families .

[@goittoog7563]

Women are the ones who voted for this shit (white women racists)

[@christiangibbs5875]

If it was that important to women, they should have voted in mass for Hillary in 2016. They didnt and know we get what we get.

[@Smellslikeupfrog]

@@christiangibbs5875 are you seriously blaming women??

[@cremelynn6339]

I will continue to vote pro-life until the pro-choice people start advocating for men to have freedom of choice too.

[@Smellslikeupfrog]

@@cremelynn6339 okay then all men should get vasectomies until they are ready to have a child. Forcing a woman to give birth to a child just because the father may want to keep that child is archaic and cruel.

[@neverknew07]

Question for Red states: will you provide additional funding toward social programs now?

[@EmoBearRights]

Probably not most of them are only pro-life until you're born then you're on your own and they don't give a tinker's damn.

[@zetectic7968]

No!🤣

[@boxxboyy3879]

Gotta save that money for bullets

[@pamelaz.7659]

NO, republicans could care less about them after their born.

[@KB4QAA]

N07: Who knows. Will women be more responsible with birth control and avoiding irresponsible casual sex? Will women take responsibility for their children?

[@stefanfrankel8157]

Roe was based on the "rights of Englishmen," based on British laws that established the right to privacy among other things.

[@rusticpartyeditz]

Ironic that UK passes such laws through parliament. Rather than leaving it to a biased court to make decisions like this.

[@willjapheth23789]

@@rusticpartyeditz yea they don't seem to have the guts to actually pass pro choice laws.

[@phoenixrising7777]

They stole a Scotus. They should be ashamed of themselves.

[@notyourroad]

They stole 2.

[@rudeboyjohn3483]

"We can solve this just by voting!" Says the people that ignore the fact that Bush and Trump were both appointed into office by the Supreme Court and Electoral College, overriding the majority popular vote. There's only one historically proven way to oppose the rich and religious zealots, but let's face it, society doesn't have the stomach to do it

[@ryanduty4237]

I live in a purple state(Nevada) and thankfully there is 0 talk of restricting abortion. This is still incredibly scary times.

[@pearlygates1500]

We're counting on the courts using common sense over religion.

[@notyourroad]

Yes, you are absolutely right sir pearly gates.

[@DeepFriedLiver]

This wasn’t Trump. Make no mistake the single most important person for current status of the Supreme Court and by extension Roe v Wade is Mitch McConnell. He blocked Garland and he pushed ACB through overnight. Any Republican president would have nominated like minded justices in the same circumstances Trump was in. MM did all the heavy lifting. He deserves the Credit/Blame for where we are now.

[@tarag7292]

Exactly. Another aspect David is willfully ignoring just to solely place blame on the people who didn't vote for Hilary in 2016. Even if she was in office, Mitch McConnell vowed to block all of her nominations until a conservative president came along. So many terrible parts lead to this moment, not just people who didn't vote for Hilary in 2016. I expected David to have known better. I am so glad that I don't watch him regularly anymore because he's been in some bull crap that a few years ago he would have given a far more thorough analysis on what led to this.

[@whitegirlsaremykryptonite5779]

Thanks Kyle Kulinski! The SCOTUS wouldn’t had been able to do it without you and Jimmy Dore! Krystal Ball, Kim Iverson. Am I missing anybody?

[@learnerbetter9872]

What did kyle do?

[@DMacSince94]

Your point?

[@mariomario1462]

KZbinrs aren't doing anything

[@satchelraidincoming636]

Yes. You are forgetting Ginsburg, who in her hubris and selfisness helped to overturn Roe.

[@itsbeyondme5560]

@@satchelraidincoming636 White feminism

[@annemettefrederiksen7751]

The wet dream of Gilead is coming true for the neo conservatives and we let them have it..Not attacking Susan Collins for her Kavanaugh vote, not informing people about real healthcare and rights to set options, not calling out politicians attacking planned parenthood ( women in particular) ect.

[@NarteaBay]

DEMOCRATES JUST WON IN NOVERMBER! THANK YOU LEAKER

[@grahamwade5932]

You wish. I don't trust American society

[@rudeboyjohn3483]

Technically, viruses are an independently organism, therefore life. So by this religiously motivated logic (I know it doesn't matter anymore), it would be unconstitutional to treat any infectious disease

[@iolitelight]

Conservatives seem to have no real moral issues with dropping bombs on kids in the Middle East, for example. They support the outright killing of certain kids. It's not about life or kids or caring. It's about keeping women, especially poor ones, in their place, and their child be damned. I think their moto should be "shut up bitch". That's what this is for them.

[@lorimoore5589]

Playing devils advocate, I would say, we are talking about human life specifically.

[@iolitelight]

@@lorimoore5589 You are right. But conservatives generally don't have issues with dropping bombs in the Middle East and killing humans including children. And if we're only talking about American lives, they generally don't support gun control or environmental causes or public healthcare, all of which make LIFE better for kids and everyone. And ultimately if one of their own gets caught aborting, they forgive that mistake and sometimes even reelect politicians who forced their mistress to get rid of an unwanted fetus. They don't actually care about people, only in making a political issue of fetuses. It's the laziest most insincere advocacy of all. Don't lift a finger to help anyone but go ahead and pat their own backs for their fake morality.

[@willjapheth23789]

@@lorimoore5589 human correct, though I have wondered how pro choice people would feel about crushing bird eggs right before the hatch.

[@beech5950]

While I agree with your position, viruses have been deemed not living by the scientific community. They lack the ability to reproduce without a host's genetic infrastructure.

[@Jerkygrrrrl]

What we need is a voting system for federal issues. The only reason why, where I live, these issues are what the people want, is because the PEOPLE get to vote on them. We shouldn't rely on greedy politicians to make decisions for the citizens of the US.

[@itsbeyondme5560]

It does not feel like a democracy. USA was never a democracy. Representative democracy or republic at USA is failing.

[@cremelynn6339]

I want to be pro-choice. The only reason I am pro-life is because men do not have the same voice or freedom of choice as women do on whether or not they want to be in the life and have rights and responsibilities of the child. If the pro-choice crowd started advocating for men's choice as well, then I would be pro-choice.

[@Jerkygrrrrl]

@@itsbeyondme5560 yes a democracy is when the majority wins. The US is definitely not a democracy in so many ways.

[@LittleAl016]

@@cremelynn6339 Why are you lying?

[@MH-be6hr]

But what about our country's stark ideological, political, and cultural divisions? Which side would win more often and thus be able to culturally dominate America? What if the Christian far right always won? They could then compel non-conservatives to live the way the far right wanted them to live! Yikes!

[@AZ-hg6kw]

I voted for Jill Stein in 16. For the first time in my life, I felt democracy and all of its power. I'm grateful for having it. I was beyond furious with the Democrat party for the way that they treated Bernie. I will certainly accept a share of the blame for this. I honestly thought that the Dems would change. Maybe they did. It hasn't been enough for me. Having said this though....there does seem to be more traction with progressive ideas....incremental at best (college loan forgiveness etc...). They'll never be anything beyond a two party system unless a whole bunch of things change....rank choice voting, term limits, end citizens united... This is horrible though and personally, my vision of the Democrat party coming back with more honesty and open-mindedness in 17, with a united front of ideas has not quite come to fruition. I think that it's possible for this country to realize itself and truly purge from the "big lie" cronyism, culture war, religious zealots. Not sure if we have hit rock bottom yet to begin our accent towards M4All, serious climate change policy, real equality.

[@spaceballs44]

Well, more things are going to change. Who knows make it illegal to let women join the military. If I were a Supreme Court justice I would be wearing a bulletproof jacket and a helmet every time I went outside my house. Even in the court room.

[@ohkay7418]

get the old institutions up and running. there will be so many babies born with such horrible deformities that only the state can take of them

[@learnerbetter9872]

This is a shocker. As David said "biggest news of the decade"

[@faithpearlgenied-a5517]

Ukrainians would disagree.

[@frontrowviews]

The 2022 season of “The downfall of the USA” is getting spicy :) From a European

[@captain_context9991]

America.... Whatever happened to all that FREEEEEEDOM yall been telling us about with such pride.

[@HeroShotzphoto]

Lolol I just was saying that to some repubs out in the wilds of Florida and they were like dam .......... Yer right but they are still voting for repubs anyway.

[@Kc-dq7zj]

Freedom for me not for thee......

[@SageIceDragonX]

As long as the rethugs keep claiming its freedom they are for, they will continue to be voted in by the shitbags that brought us the coup.

[@PheonixEXE]

freedom to do exactly what the republicans tell you to

[@LittleAl016]

You might want to watch NonCompete's video about the Freedom of Speech in the US.

[@andrewjackson7758]

Arlen Specter came up with the magic bullet theory after JFK was shot dead in Dallas on 11-23-1963

[@neutralMusic-gb8ld]

Do we not blame the Democrats who failed to codify Roe into law when they had super majorities?

[@CorwinFound]

Absolutely! Both Obama and Biden campaigned on codifying Roe v Wade legislatively. Americans were told to vote in order to protect these rights. Well, they voted. Twice with a trifecta. And still it was left to the Supreme Court. Dems are pathetic. Better than GOP but that's not exactly a high bar.

[@s0515033]

Legislation doesn't fix anything, though. The next time the other party gets power they would just undo it anyway. Any law made can be unmade. There is no settled law. The only thing stopping regression is not allowing regressive to hold power. Rights do not really exist. They are privileges the government allows you to have, but the word "right" sounds warm and comforting. You only have the rights you can enforce.

[@joyceroberts3886]

It should have been codified in 1973 by the Supreme Court under President Nixon REPUBLICAN

[@shirleysear7168]

Let's give all of those unwanted children to trump's supremely ignorant appointees.

[@sofiabertolli8389]

Bernie or Bust you say?! Well ladies and gentlemen I present to you... 💁🏼‍♀️ *BUST*

[@DMacSince94]

Still blaming Bernie? Find a new slant. This one’s been debunked countless times.

[@sofiabertolli8389]

@@DMacSince94 I’m not blaming Bernie. I’m blaming the people who said Bernie or Bust. I’m also slightly blaming your comprehension skills.

[@vishg5148]

@@DMacSince94 not sure if you can read, but that person is probably saying the people who wouldn’t vote for anyone but Bernie seem to have been very wrong. The only person bringing Bernie into this is you.

[@learnerbetter9872]

If the democratic party doesn't $crew it up

[@sofiabertolli8389]

@@vishg5148 goodness gracious! THANK U!

[@keithmellon7592]

the regression of American society