Dark and Darker - Damage Calculations Explained

If you want the formula written out, here it is:
(((Weapon Damage * Impact Zone Bonus * Combo Bonus * (1 + Power Bonus)) + Additional Physical Damage) * (1 + Hit Location Bonus) * (1 - Damage Reduction) * (1 - Projectile Reduction)) + True Damage
I forgot to include Impact Zone and Combo bonuses. Think of Impact Zone as your sweet/sourspots on your weapon, and Combo as the bonus damage your weapon gets for latter hits in the combo. These only multiply Weapon Damage, same as Power Bonus.
Formula is same for Magical Damage, just substitute the words "Weapon" and "Physical" with "Magical".
The only time Combo and Impact Zone apply to Magical Damage is if it's the Crystal Sword's special "Magical Weapon Damage".
(Not like you'd know your enemy's damage reduction until after one of you is already dead, but that's a topic for another time.)
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[@Mekose]

You're an absolute hero to the community.

[@Dumplin69]

Dude, you're a legend. Totally gonna use this info for fair and balanced builds.

[@CoachCarter102]

Says the guy who only has a wizard and rogue

[@arkiusazure]

Sincerely thank you for taking the time to do this. The information is in this game is very hard to find so it's great to see

[@clowdk]

Updates: 2023/08/23: Weakpoint Attack now functions differently, reducing AR instead of PDR%. This makes figuring out how much Weakpoint is affecting your damage very... weird and unintuitive. It won't affect the bonuses you get from PDR% on gear, Taunt, Holy Protection, Protection Shrines, and the AR to PDR curve is very variable and awkward to calculate. We've also found that there may be more limb multipliers than merely 50%. For example, your arm takes more damage than your hand.

[@Mitril47]

I've just tested a rogue that's going all in on magical damage, with a magic power bonus of 5% and 6 true magical damage and 15 additional magic damage. Training dummy test shows the stacks dealing 3-4 damage a tick with this. Scaled down that should be 1(base) +3 +7.5=11.5 a tick , but is not the case. There's three different explanations I have for this: 1) The attribute scaling modifier is actually more severe than 50% for poison weapon. 2) The 11.5 total is added to the 4, resulting in 15.5, resulting in the tick being 3.75, and training dummy rounds down. 3) Ironmace have hard-capped how much damage poison weapon can do. Would be cool to hear your take on which it is.

[@clowdk]

@@Mitril47 It's option 2.

[@mathew4485]

Need you to do one for clerics and healing. With will knowledge magical healing and magical power please

[@clowdk]

@@mathew4485 It's basically the same. The only stats that matter are Magical Healing (acts like +Weapon or +Magical) and Magic Power Bonus (which gets influenced by Magic Power and Will). Default Cleric Lesser Heal with Advanced Healer is (15 + 5) * 1.4, or 28.

[@mathew4485]

@@clowdk is 1 will +1 magical power ?

[@zsirblade]

If anyone was curious, Crystal Swords will add your +Additional Magic Damage to their melee attacks. I tested it out on the target dummies in the goblin caves.

[@sephirothlee5227]

Watched every single video of yours talking about dark and darker, and i've got to say... your content is amazing; short, sweet, and straight to the point. I've subscribed and I'll recommend you to my friends as well

[@Surxe]

This is amazing! Have you ever considered making a list of perks and for each one determining if it adds weapon damage, additional damage, true damage, %physicalpowerbonus, or physicalpower? Amazing video on this!

[@clowdk]

That would be on the wiki. The descriptions there are changed to be more accurate compared to the in-game descriptions.

[@Gnome_Tank]

These videos are just entertaining to watch, you could talk about anything and id listen

[@derekgunnels4856]

So in general prioritize Strength and Weapon damage. Add magic damage for casters. For low strength Rogues you can go for true and add phys damage to ignore your power penalty. %Damage probably isn't as good unless you have ridiculous gear and stats, in which case you're going to kill quick anyway.

[@franpschorr3646]

Would like to see some practical builds for each class. Say you limit yourself to a base class with 4 perks and then see how you can max out your damage using roughly the same stat increases in different positions.

[@Marcus83283]

i was looking for a video like this yesterday to figure out how to optimally build my wizard. I'm pretty sure you are the first. like + Sub GOAT

[@juryduty2913]

Super helpful, sent this one to my friends so we can all make our builds even better. Thank you

[@YourLocalMedic]

Your videos are always great. I also see you contributing on the wiki. Good man. Thank you for your service

[@koenraadhendricus]

Thank you for creating this. Have been wondering about exact numbers since the wiki doesn't seem to show everything, this clears some things up keep up the good work

[@clowdk]

We've been workin' on trying to fill in more and more details there, so if there's anything in particular you need, let me know. A proper Damage Calculation page was added recently.

[@kal739]

I've keep coming back to watch this video because it is insaaaaaaaaaaaaanely helpful thank you so much for the content!

[@takusek]

Goated Video For Math Nerds like myself. This confirmed a lot of my assumption which I was pretty certain on, but I still got to learn a bit due to the projectile segment and the Various Discrepancies.

[@menxreportedname]

THE CONTENT NO ONE WANTS TO MAKE BUT EVERYONE NEEDS

[@TheyCallMeCelery]

I have been so curious about how everything works for a while now. You are a godsend. Instant like and subscribe.

[@mouseking9224]

Did some testing with Rouge's Rupture It seems that "+weapon dmg stats" doesn't need to be divided by 2 (as the example you said with Achilles strike at 4:12) As long as your physical power is over 0%, +5 weapon dmg gear made my dot dmg go from 4 to 5 I have recorded the test on YT (uploaded on private though) if you want to examine it.

[@ItsSnowyyYo]

it would be so cool if there was some kind of excel sheet you could add in the numbers and see your damage output. thanks for the explanations

[@badmana5768]

instant sub. looking forward to future videos.

[@hubianhubhub6397]

Awesome Video, always come back here to refresh my memory. I’m still confused about Additional Damage and True Damage. Based on the calculations, aren’t they the same thing but with True Damage being a little Better?

[@clowdk]

No, they are calculated differently. Additional is added earlier on in the formula, and so is affected by things like damage reduction and headshot/limb multipliers. True is added at the end of everything, meaning that it cannot benefit from head/limb multipliers, but it also cannot be reduced by damage reduction. I'm unsure of the current enchantment balance (I haven't played in some time), but at some point, Additional was more plentiful than True as well. You could get +3 Additional, but only +2 True. I don't know if that's the case now, be sure to check the wiki. If the available amounts ARE different in current version, then that is another factor to consider.

[@fishayfry]

You are the light where there is only darkness, friend

[@DiazShitAndStuff]

Impressive, I wonder how you found this out, thank you for your work

[@clowdk]

If you want the formula written out, here it is: (((Weapon Damage * Impact Zone Bonus * Combo Bonus * (1 + Power Bonus)) + Additional Physical Damage) * (1 + Hit Location Bonus) * (1 - Damage Reduction) * (1 - Projectile Reduction)) + True Damage I forgot to include Impact Zone and Combo bonuses. Think of Impact Zone as your sweet/sourspots on your weapon, and Combo as the bonus damage your weapon gets for latter hits in the combo. These only multiply Weapon Damage, same as Power Bonus. Formula is same for Magical Damage, just substitute the words "Weapon" and "Physical" with "Magical". The only time Combo and Impact Zone apply to Magical Damage is if it's the Crystal Sword's special "Magical Weapon Damage".

[@JonRob]

That was needed. Thank you for your work

[@austinh7617]

Not all heroes wear capes, but someone ought to trade you one.

[@IGaming02]

Outt dated calculations DaD updated on 8/22/2023 with a new DR calculation The Armor Rating curve has been modified and slightly flattened at the very high range. Physical Damage Reduction now has a hard cap of 85%.

[@clowdk]

DR still functions the exact same way in terms of multiplication, the difference is what their DR would be. Doesn't change the equation at all. What DID change is Weakpoint's functionality.

[@Trizjoe]

Please make class specific videos that spoon feed me info on what stats are ideal because I'm dumb ( im speaking for the majority of the DaD community myself mainly).

[@AnonyMous-pb6nj]

would be interested to know the scaling for all things healing & protection spell

[@noxustds]

Weapom dmg stat is and was op and they instead nerfed attributes. Reddit is always wrong lmao

[@nolanmarshall3393]

I want to say, hellfire will only give me the damage info in the warm up room if I hit a arrow type target. The dummies give me zero damage information

[@Hypa4u]

You did some deep research, I RESPECT

[@thedoke]

Holy shit someone actually did this. Youre a legend

[@egglplant96]

You're a saint for making these videos

[@itspodin]

Followed everything except 4b. IMO, you glossed over the part about damage reduction quite a bit too quick. I don't know all the spells in the game and their text, so even deciphering the text made it a bit unclear. Anyway, this was a great video. Liked and subbed.

[@Lachdonen]

Please keep these coming! I would love it if you could do a class breakdown. I would really like to have a numbers guy like you help me understand how to build the most optimal burn mage or poison/bleed rogue. I sort of got a hang of it watching your video but feel like I'm missing some key concepts. With dot damage, it appears that the power bonus damage and additional damage are both cut in half however would it be best to focus on additional damage/true damage due to those being added instead of multiplied by your total damage?

[@clowdk]

For DoTs I'd personally recommend True Damage where possible, because higher-geared players are almost always going to have enough resistances to get 1% reduction or higher. The only exception are the weird DoTs that benefit from headshots, which is... Ignite, and nothing else, I believe.

[@shu3684]

What stat should i pump for the biggest damage benefits from bard's "piercing shrill" flute song?

[@clowdk]

Additional Physical/True Physical. Probably True Physical, because a lot of teams are running Physical Damage Reduction lately.

[@SmoothHitt]

The goat returns just in time

[@supremedestiny4956]

The musik u used is great. cool vibe!

[@EsotericCat]

Our search is finally summarized

[@JonYugen]

Damn, and here I was thinkning Axe specialization was giving me 5 more weapon damage which sounded insane to me. In reality, its giving 5 physical :(

[@TheRedVipre]

Appreciate the video, thanks for sharing!

[@nicholassichau7582]

So, ignite, blow of corruption, and smite all add instances of magical damage to physical attacks, but I don't think you explicitly said if additional magic damage as an enchantment on gear is added to physical attacks and vice versa if additional physical is added to spell damage. I think physical classes cannot benefit from additional magic damage or true magic damage, but I am really not sure; some clarification on this point would be sublime.

[@clowdk]

Yeah, Additional Physical won't be added to spells, and Magical stuff won't be added to your weapons. The only way to do so is with things like Ignite, Smite, etc. I remember hearing that in Korea, it was popular to use the Survival Bow with Ignite while the Ranger wore a lot of +Magic Damage gear.

[@zanyzaneflipin7194]

Are spell like curse of pain, fireball, zap, helfire, or chain lightning subject to headshot and body shot multipliers?

[@clowdk]

Some are, some aren't. It mostly seems to boil down to whether the hit is considered a "projectile". Zap, Chain Lightning, Hellfire, and Curse of Pain aren't considered projectiles, so they don't benefit. Fireball's Direct Hit portion is, as are Ice Bolt and Magic Missile, so they do benefit.

[@AsydRayne]

love these videos

[@Randomness-hz7kj]

A question I’ve been wondering about is whether or not Physical/Magical Bonus affects skills like Judgement, and this answered that. I did run into something tho, while I was in goblin caves I hit the target dummy with a War Maul as Cleric, in the body, and it did 49 damage. I then hit the dummy in the head, and it did about 89 damage, which made me think the headshot bonus was 80%. I didn’t have any buffs active at the time, just Blunt Weapon mastery. What might have caused that?

[@cregoryd3784]

Maybe it was limb

[@clowdk]

Could have been the weapon's impact zones. Hitting with the handle does less damage than hitting with the head of the Maul, for instance.

[@kennys2359]

My brain still exploded

[@Sw1tchTube]

On Ranger is there a point of stacking weapon damage and additional damage that at some point Strength/Physical Power would be beneficial in replacement of weapon damage since its multiplied off of your physical power and most likely you're either be negative or very low on the bonus such as 4%. Also how much physical power do you get per point of strength? And how much physical power = 1 weapon damage for ranger?

[@KalliousTallon]

Wouldn't Rogue's base poison damage's power bonus at 3:55 be 0.75x not 0.5x since it has 50% scaling? So 0.675 damage a second.

[@clowdk]

Correct, minor error on my part

[@astartes3979]

Hey @clowed I managed to get curse of pain to do 2 damage dot but I can’t get it to go higher. Any tips ?

[@clowdk]

Any increase is valuable, because the game keeps track of decimal HP. You might be dealing 2.1 or 2.2 per tick and it won't show up on the dummy, but it will help against players and enemies.

[@outlawjaw1639]

How does the new penetrating shot fit in to the calculations? Wondering if true shot is more powerful on a gray crossbow

[@icejoe6534]

Great video however I wish u went more into what stats u want for each class or made a deep dive on it. This was great a quick bit give us a deep detailed version.

[@fruitbowl7275]

The videos purpose seemed more like explaining how everything functions and works so you can determine what each stat can help with yourself rather than preaching a fixed meta! With all the info given it's a lot easier to know what you specifically can prioritize!

[@stinglock]

yeah, this man is teaching us to fish, not giving us a fish@@fruitbowl7275

[@eaudure2982]

so much calculation while u get get one shooted by every crossbow when u play wizard

[@elliott0234]

so how and why should I build a wizard? I know that magical damage on books is great but what about the rest? how useful is strength or magical interaction speed on a book?

[@pidgeotguy3400]

he returns

[@Akkarin412]

With the additional and true damage, do these only get added to their relevant dmg type? (Ie. does added physical dmg only get added to instances of physical dmg?)

[@KamikazeMORH]

@clowdk Hello, i'm maybe wrong but i don't understand. I hit with my crossbow Headshot 110 on dummy when mathematic say i hit 164.285 (((62 * (1 + 4.7%)) + o) * (1 + 150%) * (1 - 0) * (1 - O)) + 2 = 164.285 Where 62 is Weapon Damage + Add Weapon Damage 4.7% is Power Bonus o is 0 Additional damage 150% is headshot multiplier 0 is 0 damage reduction O is 0 projectile reduction 2 is true damage I really don't get the 54 drop damage

[@lethalgaming9209]

I know this probably requires more calculations that wont be worth on a not fleshed out class, but figured id ask. This first one is probably findable via the info in the video but i am smoothbrain: 1. It looked like you said curse of pain does scale off of damage including dot (unless i missaw). Hypothetically, how much true/add magic would it take to get the dot to 5 dps instead of the standard 1? Is that even possible? 2. We know that warlock lifesteal scales with magical healing, but we also know that sources of magical damage factor into that calculation. I assume by increasing magical damage from true/add mag would also increase the scaling from magical healing on things like hellfire hits or crystal sword hits, as large dmg sources seem to chunk your healing. Is this a reasonable assumption? Or do you think it would be negligible?

[@clowdk]

1. Base is 10 damage over 8 seconds. To get 5 DPS, you'd need to change that 10 to a 40. 2. Lifesteal doesn't scale with magical damage. The amount you get back DOES scale with Magic Power Bonus, but it's a 50% scaler, so default Warlock gets 1.15 hp/tick. The only ways to increase it are Magical Healing and Magic Power Bonus.

[@lethalgaming9209]

Thanks, it must just be each instance of magical damage gives you healing, because hellfire gives you a lot of lifesteal with a dot active but it must just be from the 1 tick of its dmg per second. To clarify, after these caster nerfs just now - how does a cleric increase their healing? I thought someone told me magical healing was only for the amount you were healed for, not the amount you heal others for - that means with the will penalty that magical power will most likely be more beneficial over will? And I guess for wizards addtl magic and true magic became more important as well?

[@clowdk]

@@lethalgaming9209 Magical Healing was changed at some point to actually work with Cleric's spells as you'd expect. And yeah, True is more important than ever.

[@OnlyHardCoreee]

Why barb ( in defaule gear,axe) Got more damage with AXE SPECIALIZATION then SAVAGE ( if both inc phys dmg bonus by 10) 47.5(axe spec) and 45.6( savege) dmg by 1 attack with default axe

[@cyrusstoke11]

Thanks, you should do a video on armor/weapon rarity and possible stat rolls, cuz i dont think theres any info on it :/

[@Hakax]

So basically whats the best and the worst damage/power stats on wizard?

[@CoachCarter102]

The poison torch would have me figuring out how to refund the game

[@lukehiggins3212]

@clowdk - Im curious in relation to "damage scaling" - In previous patches spell scaling was reduced from 100% to 50% and then reverted. However Bard's shrill spell I think was left at 50%. Im curious where in the equation this scaling applies. I am assuming it occurs after (Base dmg x Bonus damage) - and only affects additonal/true. Is this correct?

[@clowdk]

It affects any bonus damage. So +Weapon, +Additional, +True, AND Power Bonus. If your Power Bonus is -10%, it becomes -5%, and if it's 40%, it becomes 20%, etc. Full info on it is here: darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Damage_Calculation#Attribute_Bonus_Ratio

[@TheTankraGames]

Great video, do you have an idea of when +magical healing is placed in the healing equation? does it come before or after power bonus?

[@clowdk]

It should be before.

[@bobicus7765]

Clarification question: 3:55-4:25, does the negative default power bonus of Rogue not get cut in half by the forced scaling discussed right after this? So would a default stat rogue's -50% magic power bonus actually be effectively -25% for dots? Also small thing but the graphic at 4:25 seems to be simplifying the power bonus calculation, example (1.15/2 = 1.075) should be (1 + (0.15/2)) = 1.075.

[@clowdk]

Yeah, those were a few minor errors on my part. You're correct in both departments.

[@lolmouf]

Were these formulas released or did somebody calculate them? If somebody calc'd them, then bravo.

[@zxczxc2588]

@clowd what about weapons "combo" multipliers? For example castillion dagger has 150% damage on third attack. Is it only affect weapon damage or works like headshot/limbs multiplier?

[@clowdk]

I forgot it at the time, but it's in the description as well as the wiki's Damage Calculation Page: darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Damage_Calculation It only affects Weapon Damage, similar to Power Bonus.

[@ellstream584]

Nice work dude!

[@dax2196]

heya so just to understand since I'm a bit curious. at what point does magic damage bonus/magic power, outscale 1 point of add magic. I see some crazy spellbooks but not sure if they do anything compared to add magic.

[@clowdk]

Depends on the spell's base damage, but usually each point of Magic Power/Will will increase your bonus by 3% before 25 Power, and 2% before 40 Power. Let's take Lightning Strike, for example, with 35 base damage, and something like a 5 damage Spellbook. Adding 3% damage to that 40 base would be 1.2 damage, but adding 2% damage would only be 0.8 damage. So in this very specific scenario, Power would be more impactful than Additional Magic, as long as your Power hasn't exceeded 25 yet. Of course, with smaller damage spells, you're rarely going to get over 1 point of damage from a 3% increase, so even if you have this very specific scenario, you might still not care about Power because it won't benefit things like Magic Missile, Zap, Ice Bolt, each section of Fireball, etc. as much as Lightning Strike/Chain Lightning.

[@christopherlachut1055]

amazing imput...but quick question...wehat about smite? what adds to it damage best? if additional magic and true magic dmg works for it .. im sure that would.. but ffrom what im seeing im not sure they do. i may be wrong and bad at math but who knows.

[@clowdk]

They do add to Smite. True Magical is probably best, because Smite can't benefit from headshots.

[@Akkarin412]

Awesome video! Thanks for the info!

[@knutsen700]

So ignites' DoT benefits from Additional magic damage? And if so, why doesn't any of the ignite wizards run fire mastery? If you had +20 add magic damage, wouldn't that mean the burn effect alone would burn for 60 damage (not taking resistance into account)?

[@clowdk]

No, because the DoT is all one flat damage number that gets calculated first, then divided by duration. You get damage over the total duration, not per-tick. If you added +20 to Fireball's afterburn, it'd go from 3 damage to 13 (because of the 50% scaling), then divided by 3 for 4.333 damage per tick. Same with Ignite, but Ignite doesn't even benefit from Fire Mastery's afterburn duration buff, so there's that.

[@snowyblues777]

"babe, how does DND even work, how do i play?" Me:

[@uNoCardiologist3110]

Okay, one stupid question: If I'm a Fighter that uses Weapon Mastery perk and uses a Rogue dagger with 10% physical damage bonus penalty, does this mean I can just nullify this penalty just by increasing the bonus by 10% or more?

[@clowdk]

Correct

[@BeastModeOn921]

You should make an excel where you can put in stats and it gives you dps and max hits.

[@YonkoDoflamingo]

Give this man a blue name

[@lucidcortex8444]

So how does % Damage Bonus work? Is it calculated where additional damage is calculated? And if so, is the percent bonus based off of base weapon damage, or is based on the percentage of (base + weapon/magical damage) * power bonus ? Or is % Damage Bonus actually just % Power Bonus and poorly written within the game? Nvm I just looked in game and I can see that "% Magical/Phsyical damage bonus" is actually just % Magical/Physical power bonus.

[@clowdk]

Yeah, most descriptions in this game are rough.

[@drayzorn]

Never cared for your politics much but ngl this is some solid work Mr Shapiro

[@gabrielparmakissmith7690]

will true magical damage be added to the damage of a regular weapon without any base magical damage

[@jasonzheng6804]

If i understand this correctly, does this mean Will is ass on Wizard since the base magic weapon damage is super low on weapons so the magic power bonus is relatively un useful? Or does it scale off base values for spells?

[@clowdk]

It scales on base spell + book/staff/ball damage. So Zap's MBP-scaleable value is 20 + 5 on default Wiz.

[@JDoeX]

@clowd what about stuff that gives like 4% physical power bonus? Is it better than lets say 2 weapon damage?

[@clowdk]

Depends, if your class is hurting for Power (let's say Rogue with default -17%) then Power might be a better idea. But 2 Weapon Damage is generally going to be better otherwise.

[@FalchionEdge]

Does True Physical Damage increase damage on Rupture or is that only for Additional Damage? Same with Poisson Weapon, does True Magic Damage increase the damage?

[@EdWuncler3rd]

Yes they do! (Both scale at .5 thought meaning they would need +2 to get an actual extra damage on the poison or rupture)

[@2meat332]

i love kirby air ride music :^)

[@dashblue8224]

ahhh so that's why every rogue 3 shots me, the scaling is just better for them

[@blurryface9910]

Just me or is this system 2 or 3 multipliers too complicated?

[@lufy64]

so for a wizard ,mana surge fireball mastery and arcane mastery , are all useless? or just less value because they are based on power? is that correct?

[@clowdk]

They are all based on Power, yes.

[@gimmik9370]

I literally cant tell you how many times ive been hit once and gotten taken down to 1 hp, Its like so frustrating but i gotta know why!

[@clowdk]

There's a lot of damage stacking in this game. With +10 Weapon Damage on gear, with something like a blue Falchion, plus headshot bonus, you're looking at 72 damage. And that's no Power Bonus. There's much higher damage potential, but that's a modest build you'd see a well-geared Fighter using.

[@jiaan100]

4:32 1.15/2 is not 1.075, im assuming your calculation is correct at the end and its just a small error writing out the formula.

[@jiaan100]

Very good video tho ty

[@clowdk]

Yeah, it's meant to be 1 + (0.15/2). Minor mistake.

[@sneakyangels9156]

Absolute legend!

[@Dramox.]

ambush rogues prio str+wdmg. got it. thanks cutie

[@ZK-nb3cq]

So is it normal for the dot portion of Warlock spell to still do 1 dmg with a 2 magic dmg crystal ball and perks for will/dmg? What parts or dots of Warlocks spells benefit from crystal ball 2 dmg?

[@clowdk]

The dummy kind of lies to you, because it resets to full HP every time you hit it, and so you'll never see your decimal damage increases. By default, Curse of Pain is doing 1.25 damage per second without factoring in any Power Bonus or damage increases, but you'll never see that on a dummy. Any increase to your damage is affecting it, but in order to actually "turn over" the dummy's damage, you'd need enough bonuses to turn the DOT from 10 damage total to 16 damage total. Also, Dark Enchancement does nothing currently, if that's the damage perk you're talking about. None of Warlock's spells care currently considered Dark Magic.

[@ZK-nb3cq]

@@clowdk So is the 2 magic dmg from ball not bumping the dot to 2.25 dmg per tick? Which would make it over 16. Or only + 2 additional magic dmg stat/true dmg on gear makes the dot higher? Thanks for the replies btw

[@clowdk]

@@ZK-nb3cq It adds to the total of the DoT, which is 10 by default, divided by 8 seconds. It doesn't add 2 per tick, it adds 2 to that total.

[@ZK-nb3cq]

@@clowdk Ohhh so 2 impact dmg and 2 to total dot. So 2 magic dmg for Warlock curse = 4 total dmg increase? And does blow of corruption magic portion get inc by Ball 2 magic dmg?

[@clowdk]

@@ZK-nb3cq The DoT gets half benefit, so 2 for impact and 1 for DoT = 3 total. And yes, BoC does benefit from Ball damage.

[@Vedders91]

is there a link to that damage calculator sheet?

[@arkiusazure]

Is there any good source on how much total damage spells do? I can't seem to find the actual damage numbers on spells anywhere

[@clowdk]

Check out the wiki, link in description

[@GrimmReaperRL]

So now that achilles strike only does 1 dmg on each step, would true magical damage add to that or does true magic not work on achilles strike?

[@clowdk]

Achilles does physical damage, so magic damage modifiers do not work on it.

[@MikeKey91]

Is there a dropoff in dmg if you hit people with range weapons from far off or dont channel your arrow for max duration in your longbow for example?

[@clowdk]

Yes! I believe it's just distance, though. I don't think holding the arrow for longer does anything.

[@Randomness-hz7kj]

Having just had a run in goblin caves where i chased a rogue down and punched him to death, it made me wonder what the base damage of fists is, and if they possible scale differently. any info there?

[@clowdk]

15 Physical Damage is their base, and they benefit from Weapon Damage and all that the same as any other weapon.

[@myronalmerantares2831]

@clowd thanks for uploading quality info! I was just wondering for best damage output perks and skill for barb. Perks: 1. Axe specialization 2. Executioner 3. Two hander (sometimes I run berserker here) 4. This one im quite unsure whether to run berserker/carnage/savage (if I have good tunic I swapped the savage out) Skills: 1. Rage (usually I but thinking 2. Reckless attack ( I swap to achilles strike when doing solo or duo eco runs) But I just had an idea if the rage is swapped with achilles strike will it be more beneficial? Or even using life siphon to limit test barb too. What’s your thoughts or if ever you tried to try this too? Thanks!

[@clowdk]

Savage is more powerful than Two Hander (10% over 5%), and is actually more impactful than Executioner with base Strength. I don't think Two-Hander is generally worth running if you have Savage up, and if you've got a chestpiece you're probably tanky/geared enough that bringing something like Berserker, Robust, or even Potion Chugger is a better idea than adding another 5%. I also think Crush is pretty important to have, breaking doors down can be invaluable for pushes/escapes. Rage is pretty much non-negotiable, imo. Having movement speed buffs is almost always the strongest skill you can bring, period, and Rage gives a damage buff on top of that. Unless you've got teammates to speed-buff you (Haste, Accelerando), and even then, stacking Rage with those is even better.

[@myronalmerantares2831]

Yoo thanks for the reply, I really like the way you dissect all the given information. Yes generally when running eco runs or just chill in normal I use savage with berserker (as no pocket healer is with me). For two handed I was just thinking does the numbers add up and is it beneficial as its fun to theory craft comps and perks on dad classes. So for skills: Rage is just a must in general, usually I run reckless attack but since damage reduction might get reworked soon maybe Achilles strike is decent too? Other perks aside I sometimes run iron will when running hr. I will try robust or potions chugger too as I never run that. What about life siphon with +4 all attri with 24 healthloss? If says cleric is available

[@fliessa4950]

All mobs (except for the Giant Spider) have -22% Physical Damage Reduction. So I heavily assume that value comes from mobs having 0 Armor Rating. So a Bard’s Shriek of Weakness would easily hit the cap of -25% Physical Damage Reduction cap. So I just wanted to double check. Does the -25% cap count only for players or for mobs aswell? Aka. is my Bard trolling when casting Shriek of Weakness on mobs? :)

[@clowdk]

They most certainly are not trolling. Shriek's -30 turns mobs from -22% to -79%.

[@clowdk]

Also, where are you getting the idea that the Giant Spider doesn't have -22%, or that the cap is at -25%?

[@fliessa4950]

@@clowdk the cap was a misinformation i had, i thought i read it in the patch notes. I double checked, no mention of it lol. In the wiki under /Monsters it lists the resistances for mobs. For the giant spider it says -10% Physical Resistance. Thx for clarifying!

[@alb1reo]

We need a testing range!