Dark Souls 3 with Mathematically Optimized Damage | Weapons Version

[@Silvermage447]

"I couldn't find frame data for all these weapons so I catalogued it myself." Instant like and sub. What an absolute scholar.

[@VULVAEATER]

And I thought I love this game. This is pure dedication and love.

[@giocorabi4427]

Same bro this video does not have nearly as many views as it deserves

[@thork_tv]

You are correct and i did the same

[@jacobm.7072]

I immediately did the same when I heard that. I know that's a painstaking process with little to no shortcuts. Crazy it hadn't been done in the near decade since the games release.

[@Xalashaska]

👍👍

[@scottrussell360]

I wish I cared about literally anything this much...

[@gothiclb]

It's funny to me that in both DS1 and DS3, the highest dps weapons ending up being some of the earliest weapons you can acquire (hand axe in ds1, broadsword in ds3) also blessed weapon my beloved, the mvp of my ng+6 playthrough

[@trevthedev6134]

Yeah I was really hoping for more variety, but turns out one of the choices for SL1 runs is also the highest DPS weapon. Guess people are really tuned into what's good

[@joeligma3256]

If you're doing a no-death run in DS2, the optimal weapon is the default rapier. Can't beat that low stamina consumption thrust DPS.

[@MilChamp1]

A couple of things I'm thinking so far: 1. Very interesting that the Sellsword Winblades aren't the best from the get-go. I understand about the effect on the buffs, but I would have thought that for Gundyr at least, they would have been best. 2. You can actually grind Chunks from the Corvian Knights (2% drop rate). It's painful but absolutely possible 😊

[@trevthedev6134]

You know I saw that as possible drops from Knights, but I never got a drop in my farming. Was pretty much always just a large shard

[@Rectosama]

​@@trevthedev6134according to a video made by ymfah a few years ago you can in theory get a +10 weapon in like 2 bosses

[@JamesMoore-sc3io]

Cataloguing all that frame data is incredible. Doing it in two weeks is insane. Great vid!

[@Trainwreck12315]

I expected that he was going to grind for all the chunks with the Corvian Knight and was glad he either didn't know or realized grinding a 2% Drop rate for chunks this early was a good idea

[@trevthedev6134]

See I read that they could drop chunks but never got one in my drops? It was pretty much 100% on large shards though.

[@lbgonpokeit]

Bro 2% is like nothing

[@solarpellets]

I told you I'd watch your DS3 content! This is great, I don't know anything about this game, it's about time I learn some of it lol

[@elfantic]

Let's go, I love your videos. Keep it up brother!

[@bigmitchy4026]

you might already know about this but just in case, something for your spell run. I found this while dicking around with a ranged-spell only run to get a feel for the boss ai/design and i was using the court sorcerer staff which is more or less the best staff and has a skill that increases spell damage by ~10% ; there's also the crystal staff that has a better skill which increases by ~30% and the way the numbers work out the skill buffed crystal staff is stronger than the skill buffed court staff however, the buffs can transfer: i held the sage's crystal staff in my left hand with the court sorcerer staff in my right, use the crystal staff's skill buff then cast spells with the court staff and the damage buff carries over. I never checked if this buff carries over to different spell types so that might be worth looking into

[@TREVORVADER]

Always fun to watch stuff like this to help me understand things that aren’t always immediately clear in this game. Also you mentioning this your easier Abyss Watchers reminds me of my own easiest fight with them. Surprisingly it was my Bow only run. I had a plus 3 composite bow with either wood or standard arrows and was expecting to be able obliterated yet it was done first try. Probably one of the better parts of that run.

[@krkiya]

Broadsword so good. Used it for most bosses in my SL1 run. Interesting it's still that good even at higher levels.

[@MrRaellima]

Not even one minute in and already know this is gonna be a banger. Break a leg Trev.

[@trevthedev6134]

Already did! Twice in one day actually (if you count breaking it and then falling on it again so I had to go to the ER twice)… oh you mean the video!

[@user-zb1kw2et6k]

​@@trevthedev6134You weren't supposed to do optimal DPS to yourself

[@titanics.o.s2101]

Tip for fighting corvian knight early - use weapon with persevirence weapon art (like mace), doing so crow's attacks will bounce off and you can get a critical You can also get a UGS with thrust attack and that will knock them down and you can just repeat this procces

[@chadwolf3840]

I love this series! Glad you’re bringing your talents to ds3

[@enigmatic8280]

I always knew that the broadsword was busted. On my first DS3 playthrough I noticed it naturally outdamaged everything else from a DPS standpoint and I stuck with it.

[@hengedraws]

Very good video! The corvian knight also drops titanite chunks but there much rarer, i farm them sometimes in certain runs

[@hikarimemeirooficial]

I love your channel! Your dedication alone made me stick around.

[@Endermanv-ot2if]

wonderful video cant wait for elden ring video and bloodborne video, my two favourites

[@trevthedev6134]

Oh yeah! ER probably won’t be until the DLC comes out though. Not to mention 300 weapons… if you thought the spreadsheet for this one was big lol

[@Endermanv-ot2if]

@@trevthedev6134 for a normal run through the game the twinblades are so good (DS3) and I have a feeling that Elden ring optimised damage might take a long time to work out...

[@jakob8372]

I really enjoy these videos. Keep it up!

[@rolfchristian7863]

Twin princes is my favorite fight in ds3. It’s nice to see them getting some well deserved love😁

[@alextalker5979]

17:35 when a deakon did that Force, I got Godskin Noble flashback now 😂😂😂😂

[@MANIACRAIDER]

Been waiting for this

[@ExpandDong420]

I'd love to see this in Elden Ring where it essentially plateaus immediately and then only goes up majorly in the endgame

[@trevthedev6134]

Yeah I'd probably do it region locked when I tackle it.

[@ExpandDong420]

@trevthedev6134 that makes the most sense to me and was the first solution I'd considered

[@mun_e_makrpsn1328]

That’s kinda how it already is, damage stats barely do anything until +15 weapons

[@ExpandDong420]

@@mun_e_makrpsn1328 it doesn't plateau unless you choose to seek out all the upgrade materials before Margit, which is only necessary in a challenge like this

[@mun_e_makrpsn1328]

@@ExpandDong420 yeah I guess I was thinking upgrade progression, not area progression. You can get a plus +10 or +25 defeating only two bosses or so

[@s.e.n3264]

You should try using a hollow gem instead of refined gem. Hollow gem infusion will actually give you the highest physical damage possible in the game. Because it scales off Strength, Dex and Luck

[@Grimprospect]

Another great video! Keep it rolling my friend glad I found your channel. I would love to see you do this DS2!

[@trevthedev6134]

I do have plans for it! Not 100% sure which one I’ll do next.

[@eugenebeaupre533]

I put in the hours to kill Dancer before Vordt, then proceeded to farm the Lothric Castle for a +9 Refined Lothric Greatsword with approximatively 40 Strengh/Dex, with Red Tearstone Ring, Sunlight Straight Sword buff and Gold pine resin, i was almost able to 1 tap Vordt. Maybe getting 60 strengh/dex and trading Coiled Sword fragment for a Titanite Slab wouldv'e been enough for 1 shot

[@markhrubi8362]

I couldn't get myself ever to sit down and crunch the numbers for ds1 and ds3 but after your videos I think I will sit down and do it for a timed no hit run I wanted to try

[@david21216]

Great stuff! Always hype when you post 👍

[@Sion-si6jy]

Dark Blade doesn't scale with Int at all and isn't boosted by Caitha's or the Sunless talisman. I have no idea why it isn't a dark miracle, but that's just how fromsoft ordained it. Also, it gives less damage than Lightening Blade, Darkmoon Blade, or Crystal Magic Weapon (0.85 x spellbuf VS 0.95 x spellbuff) so unless the enemy was really weak to dark but not magic or lightning, which off the top of my head I can't think of one, then Dark Blade will be worse. Even with the blindfold mask added into the equation, it buffs by the same amount as the crown of dusk, so Darkmoon Blade still comes out on top (because chimes usually have more spellbuff than staves).

[@TREVORVADER]

Yeah Fromsoft always has some really screwy scaling stuff that I just don’t understand sometimes. Especially in DS3 and ER. ER’s DLC is even weirder in that regard.

[@savvaskatsidonis7417]

21:37 that is EXACTLY what I was doing while watching this on my second monitor. Yes, I do have PTSD.

[@yeehawj24]

Splendid, a new souls youtuber to add to my collection!

[@Liamdrw]

I love these types of videos, you do the really well.

[@paletongue]

you can fight the giant wolf before the boss fight in the painted world twice for 3 large shards each. Much easier then farming.

[@trevthedev6134]

Not wrong but I hate that wolf. I’d rather fight the Corvian knights due to their low poise lol

[@Mahazu.]

enjoyed this, awesome job

[@epicpicks7707]

I WAS WAITING FOR THIS ONE!!! YES

[@Gowthr]

Yay, I've been waiting for this!

[@burymeinjhenny918]

Thank you so much for making this video

[@griglog]

Lightning broadsword might be the best against Vordt but for new players I would rather recommend the Deep Battle Axe dropped from a mimic in this location. It scales from nothing and cant be buffed but deals a lot of damage to Vordt even at +0. In the second phase you can even kill him before he finishes the ice breath attack

[@loiccoene4411]

Thank you far these vids ! You’re amazing😊

[@jacobwilkins727]

I’ve been waiting for this one can’t wait for if you do an Elden ring one

[@Falukard123]

Love the content my dude keep it up!

[@rawrss]

Subbed - can't wait for ds2 and elden ring

[@77_dolphins33]

12:36 the corvian knights can drop titanite chunks at i belive about 2% drop rate at base item discovery, so it is possible to get a +10 weopon right after crystal sage using the 1 available slab in the painted world at that point

[@TheXanondorf]

Nooo...giving the deep tome to Irina...😭 Still watching cuz this stuff is super interesting.

[@trevthedev6134]

The things we do for damage...

[@kaba1996]

Absolutely love your films you analitical mind. It's sad for me that From don't provide that many stats. I love analysis too

[@GretgorPooper]

Who would win in a fight - The most important field of knowledge of all. - A Cindery boi

[@landonmitchell6123]

legendary stuff man

[@TheAffluenza]

There’s a solid argument to be made that this is basically how the devs want you to play DS3, albeit taken to its extreme. The game is kind of just a long hallway of bosses and it’s really stingey with upgrades, which forces all players to scour the levels and dig into the mechanics to try and hit harder.

[@teleman07]

I played through DS3 3 times. In all of them I thought any other weapon tha broadsword was just pointless. So... This was why I guess.

[@Rectosama]

About Midir being too long; There is a way to kill him in about 20 seconds with the abyss watchers weapon, look it up on youtube if this seems interesting

[@markesssxd]

I kinda want to see a build focused on killing bosses as fast as possible, like no dodging high armor, iron skin and maybe a ton of stamina because of the lower regen. I'm not sure if that would actually make the fights faster especially on later hard hitting bosses, but I'd love to know for sure

[@MrSuvvri]

I guess not because you lose morions blade and rtsr buffs

[@ilikestamps2978]

I got two questions. The first one is why you didn't use the dragon form? Is it not viable, or is it just a pain to get? My second is, would the crucifix of the mad king be a good weapon choice? I know it's the only elemenal weapon that can be buffed, and weapon art also buffs it I think, though it's random. I remember that weapon just having insane AR, on par with the lothric knight great sword while buffed.

[@trevthedev6134]

It is possible to use, but the uptime on the buff really doesn’t make it ‘dps’ optimized, more so used for one shots or big hits. I think it only lasts a few seconds, but if you could get all your hits out in that timeframe it is technically higher. The crucifix is a decent weapon, but it’s pretty slow in comparison to other weapons which doesn’t make it as pod of a choice. There are a few more weapons that have innate damage that can be buffed as well fwiw; the murky hand scythe and dark blood greatsword I know are 2

[@ilikestamps2978]

@trevthedev6134 I have never heard or used those lol. Thanks for the reply though 👍

[@trevthedev6134]

I’ve kinda wanted to do a maximized split damage build and see if I can make it good. I think the dark mood greatsword can have 4 different types (which isn’t really a good thing, tbh, as it splits up the damage).

[@Dannii_1]

Honestly sucked to hear that the broadsword had the highest for a lot of this, it just looks so lame 😭 Great video!

[@trevthedev6134]

Yeah I’m hoping ds2 or elden ring has some more variety.

[@Dannii_1]

​@@trevthedev6134 :0 looking forward to those videos!

[@valentinalvarez6695]

I finished the game a few days ago My main weapon was Heavy Broadsword lol, it's broken Huge damage and fast af I did most of the bosses first try, Soul of Cinder second try, Nameless King third try, Gael seventh try Sharp Broadsword is even better because extra E str scaling but I love str so i just used Heavy

[@MrDarkBoy93]

Subbed. Hoping for every fromsoft game done in this fashion!

[@trevthedev6134]

Here’s hoping. Lotsa math lol

[@davidnap3531]

criminaly underrated

[@davidnap3531]

criminal spelling

[@bronze81]

you aren't accounting for stamina though... in reality 1 handing straight swords will probably always give you better dps

[@trevthedev6134]

Well I’m going with a strict definition of maximum theoretical dps as there has to be some kind of cutoff. I think sustained would actually be 2 handing light attacks as you get 15-20% more damage per swing which makes up for the slight drop in attack speed.

[@MrSuvvri]

Oh so the reason you used 2h R2 was for the speed over 2h R1, not because of the damage itself.. interesting. Gotta experiment myself because I love stuff like this where I theory craft a build that is powerful in one way or another.

[@trevthedev6134]

@@MrSuvvri it's a bit of both, to be honest. I think the 2hR2 is a couple of frames slower than the R1, but the extra damage (roughly 15-20% depending on the enemy) makes up for the 5% longer animation speed.

[@DosaNarkosa]

Deep protection doesn't stack with Oath of sunlight from sunlight straightsword

[@trevthedev6134]

Unless it’s different than Power Within it should, but only if oath of sunlight is used first. OoS overrides other buffs but not the other way around, for some reason.

[@incelchad]

really looking forward to a ds2 video!

[@iamthehobo]

Good content

[@armanii4005]

Best fromsoft game ever!!💯so excited to watch this

[@thexenocide6013]

had a feeling the broadsword would be powerful its a beast numbers-wise for some reason, never liked it because of the poor reach but its definitely my go-to early. was definitely not expecting a showing from the corvian scythe, even with a mistake in the numbers, i love that weapon but always found it a bit low damage. blessed wep is interesting, i never really tried it. would it have been faster with dragonslayer armor to like use a ice weapon like the irithyll sword and also combustion/a chaos dagger to reset the frostbite, or was that not really considered? thats what i suggest to friends who are stuck and the dps feels super high

[@trevthedev6134]

Nah status stuff was way too complicated to try and fit in to the formulas, especially with how status bars are hidden from the player and start ticking down after a few seconds. It might be faster in practice but this run was more theory based.

[@thexenocide6013]

@@trevthedev6134 that makes sense, scaling resistances too would make it a bit of a problem. thanks for the quick reply!

[@leafyisnthere9396]

The Broadsword honestly carries SL1 on this game. Even with all of the boosts to stats, the Broadsword is, if not the best option, pretty close to it. I'm not sure what FromSoft did to make the Broadsword so good on here and so not great on the other games.

[@samthepigman4069]

I actually thought farming for vertebre shackles was a lot more painful than souvenirs of reprisals, it took me multiple days to get 30 vertebre shackles and only a few hours to get all the souvenirs of reprisals. Also kind of disappointing how late you get rtsr in ds3, I don't really understand the decision to lock it behind dancer

[@trevthedev6134]

I actually found someone to trade/invade for shackles, so that one wasn’t really too bad. Must’ve had 50 silver knight helmets by the time I was done though

[@GlidyBun]

You made a few mistakes in this video, but overall a good job. One of my bigger complaints is that you stacked deep protection and sunlight straight sword buff, but you did it the wrong way around meaning the sunlight sword buff overrides deep protection entirely.

[@trevthedev6134]

Did I do that for a few fights? Sunlight straight sword goes first and then all the other buffs. I didn’t think I did but there were a lot of fights so certainly possible

[@petsinis9399]

wouldnt going RAW gem early help with DPS in the early game before leveling

[@trevthedev6134]

Yeah but with the stats I had before Vordt a regular +4 is better. I don’t remember what the cutoff point is but it’s not too far above required stats.

[@FadedImage]

it's like, speedrunning, but deliberately!

[@broccolin]

This is insane

[@trevthedev6134]

Glad you liked it! More similar content to come

[@Ciuffinho]

so without buffs the winner would be the twinblades? (i'm doing a sl1 run)

[@trevthedev6134]

Hmm it’ll probably vary per boss, but they would almost certainly be up there. My guess (for whatever weapon is used) would be raw infusion with blessed weapon to get the most bang for your buck (or resins for enemies really weak to certain elements)

[@ysshuu]

oh hell yeah

[@user-lz3yz6gd5x]

Fought dancer with no health wtf

[@trevthedev6134]

That’s how you gotta do it! First phase is honestly not too bad. Phase 2 I find way more difficult.

[@piotrszmulewicz9622]

For the algo! 💪

[@tarvod4855]

very surprising to see that sellsword twinblades don't have the highest dps

[@trevthedev6134]

Yeah I was think they would be higher. Unfortunately the buff damage reduction really hits hard. Depends on the enemy’s absorption, but the double hit ends up typically dealing less damage than a single hit when using a similar weapon (eg a regular curved sword).

[@tarvod4855]

@@trevthedev6134 dual weapons get buff damage reduction? i never knew that

[@trevthedev6134]

@@tarvod4855 Yep! Maybe I'll make a brief video on that stuff.

[@watson4233]

Play Dark Souls 2 you coward. In all seriousness great content earned a sub

[@trevthedev6134]

Yeah it’s on the docket!

[@watson4233]

@@trevthedev6134 it’s going to be crazy what you come up with I know for a fact before you even hit a boss you can get pretty OP

[@simonepriolo]

Bro you're crazy. Like and sub.

[@jakob8372]

Ds2 next?

[@trevthedev6134]

I think I’ll do it, may do Demons Souls first but I’ll have to see if I can find good info on that.

[@dotgone]

@@trevthedev6134 from a channel growth perspective, you may look into how demon souls videos do vs other souls content from other souls creators. I don't actually know - I personally avoid DeS and Bloodborne content with the hopes that I can play them some day as I only have a PC and want to minimize spoiling that. DS2 gets a lot of hate but the fans are pretty loyal to the content if we get shown it. And of course, who knows what Erdtree is about to do to ER.

[@Endermanv-ot2if]

Which controller do you use?

[@trevthedev6134]

Just a ps5. Works for ds1 no issues if you connect the usb that comes with it to your pc. I have to use ds4windows to play ds3 or Elden Ring though.

[@Endermanv-ot2if]

@@trevthedev6134Doesn't steam have steam input which means that it will emulate your DS4/Dualsense (ps5) as XInput and therefore work with fromsoftware titles?

[@trevthedev6134]

It does but I don’t have great success with it. When I first got Elden ring, whenever I would hit r2/l2, my camera would just doing and I could do a strong attack for weapon skill. Idk why but ds4 windows fixed the problem for me 🤷

[@Endermanv-ot2if]

@@trevthedev6134 do you disable steam input in steam then so you don't get double input

[@trevthedev6134]

Honestly no clue, but I’ve been playing on my pc for like a year with no issues with this set up.

[@pyrofusiondancer]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4jdpX6ie7tjhrM ... twinblades absolutely mash the broadsword. Dude is hitting 542 damage with an L1 with no buffs at all outside his rings. The damage per hit is about the same as your broadsword fully buffed with RTSR and at a much lower level. And these are twinblades +9 versus broadsword +10. Plus they swing faster. I'd bet anything your actual DPS would be substantially higher (despite the whole only 20% of the weapon buff applies thing) with the twinblades. There is just no shot mathematically or otherwise the actual damage per second is better with the broadsword.

[@trevthedev6134]

Yeah there definitely conditional stuff based on stamina (and a few other things like pontiffs right eye / Carthus flame arc). With more stamina (looks like that video had 27, I think I had close to base during this fight), the broadsword should win out. Mostly just due to how I chose to calculate out dps in this case with that 2-hit combo. I don’t think the twinblade L1 takes very much stamina, at least in comparison to a lot of other weapons, which is why it’s so good.

[@Kulepennstrek]

You're skipping over DS2?! ;-)

[@trevthedev6134]

Nah it’s next up after my current project I’m thinking

[@Kulepennstrek]

@@trevthedev6134 that's really exciting, looking forward to that!

[@zel2663]

WHY SKIP BEST SOULS

[@trevthedev6134]

Not skipping, just did this one first!

[@Ssimpleperson]

​@@trevthedev6134 Do best souls its fun .. very fun

[@lostinsim]

The winblades still have the highest DPS in the game once buffed as long as you use L1 attacks which have a double hit. Never use the weapon skill with the winblades. L1 L1 L1.

[@trevthedev6134]

They are up there for sure but I found they were below a couple of weapons (especially in the early/mid game thanks to the damage reduction you get with weapon buffs in the L1 hit). I haven’t look in my spreadsheet recently but Iirc they were generally top 10% so an obvious choice for a lot of people.

[@gypsyassassin2004]

"If you're struggling with the Dragonslayer Armor" ... then go back and play DS 1 and 2 ... Same darn boss. Ornstein is still Ornstein.

[@trevthedev6134]

Hmm idk if I jive with that take. I found Dragonslayer Armor to be the 2nd hardest boss on my first playthrough and I don’t find ornstein to be overly difficult if you do him phase 2 (although he’s a bit of a sponge). I think it’s cause DsA promotes a much more passive fight due to the shield.

[@bradysheaplays1499]

It's not even Ornstein's armour bru

[@planetmaker3472]

Completely different boss with different weapons

[@matjaz5684]

Bro cooked another one 🙏🙏

[@kwombat5306]

dead game