Patiently waiting for The DarkAero 2 (or whatever the next iteration with 4 seats will be called). I have a feeling that these guys and this company are going places.
@PatrickMichalina2 жыл бұрын
same
@timduncan84502 жыл бұрын
I’m 6’5” we’ll over 200, my family are all full size also. Hope the 4 place will not be another dwarf-mobile.
@user-px1wj2uv3r2 жыл бұрын
@@timduncan8450 Hey, you get the girls, we get the airplanes. Us dwarves need a win too man 😂
@maxboya2 жыл бұрын
@@timduncan8450 I agree. Lot of pilots are bigger set. Many are smaller too granted but in most planes we fly (comfort isn’t always the priority) so something like this is strictly short run flights. Very short LOL. A cushion on top of a steel plate🥸
@timduncan84502 жыл бұрын
@@user-px1wj2uv3r haha, I suppose, but prefer to have it all. 😎
@Dr_Kenneth_Noisewater2 жыл бұрын
This thing will be an absolute rocket. As an engineer, I've very much enjoyed following your prototyping process. Thanks for being so open with it. Best of luck in the coming phases of airworthiness and production!
@Justwantahover2 жыл бұрын
It might be more slick than the Glasssair but 100 hp less power. It should do well over 200 knots at least.
@jamesmccabe51882 жыл бұрын
Love this video. This subject is often glossed over but the design principles discussed here are crucial to high performance / lightweight structures of all types. Thank you, this was most informative
@markserbu2 жыл бұрын
Great video! In-depth engineering is always appreciated!
@felixcat93182 жыл бұрын
Very Well Said!
@Mariano.Bernacki2 жыл бұрын
I loved this "deep dive" on the subject of mass! I'd love if you made a few more videos like this about design for manufacturing, cost reduction, finances of the project, modeling decisions, operating philosophy of the company and so on... Maybe once every five or so aircraft videos?
@christopherbeddoe4062 жыл бұрын
These guys are doing an amazing job. The build quality is great even on a prototype. I'd love to get more information on other design and business aspects of Dark Aero too.
@jackdotzman29082 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see it fly. You’re doing a great job os sharing with us, your viewers, your thoughts of how your putting it all together. Thank you. From Missouri
Outstanding. It's great to see companies finally decide that a 50 year old convention can be inmproved upon. C8, Falcon 9, and now Darkaero 1. Well done gents. 👏 👍👍
@saromarcarian4709 Жыл бұрын
Loved the data filled in on the Onshape ad
@robertling98722 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another interesting video. You make a dream come true by understanding all the details. This is a tremendously intensive feat, which few people imitate. Congratulations on this milestone.
@jcims2 жыл бұрын
14:00 This is something i learned by watching Mike Patey work on his aircraft. A near obsession by optimizing mass for the application everywhere all the time..it adds up. Love the videos you guys have been putting out. Can’t wait to see folks flying this in the wild.
@appa6092 жыл бұрын
Your whole company's design philosophy remonds me of our university design team. Really optimizing the product and no marketing bs
@erikig2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MrPePeLePuo2 жыл бұрын
Thanks to the secrets you have disclosed in this video, I am well on my way to building the very first Mach 10 Aircraft!!! Thanks onshape and DarkAero, Inc
@dpear32 жыл бұрын
I really like that you brought up the that the application of composite materials is equally or more important than simply using them. A lot of people think carbon fiber is a magic super material that is objectively superior to alternatives, when in reality it has specific material properties that lend it to certain tasks, and it’s construction can further influence its properties. It is a remarkably diverse material, and it has a lot of properties that are desirable in performance vehicles, such as lightness, stiffness, and strength.
@thinkflight2 жыл бұрын
This plane is incredible. The guys behind it equally so. Wishing much success.
@ramr70512 жыл бұрын
Damn you could make a documentary or feature film out of this. Have you been in the news a lot? I'm always impressed by the level of polish and professionalism in your work. Always look forward to your videos - and towards the first flight as well, of course!
@Project2Aero2 жыл бұрын
This thing is gonna be disruptive to the fast 2 seat market. What a great example of how to use technology to improve existing concepts as well as set in stone a solid foundation for a great company to flourish. Great job guys! Can't wait until you've got 1000's of these kits pouring out of your facility!
@PistonAvatarGuy2 жыл бұрын
No, it won't, it's too small. The thing is basically a fast ultralight.
@dougj81862 жыл бұрын
@@PistonAvatarGuy Not much utility. Also, few comments about how far away this is from an actual consumer product. My guess is their real business is as a composites subcontractor and this is a showcase for their skills. Whether or not it turns out to be a vanity project or a very expensive toy for the rich, it will take a lot of testing and time to prove it's safe. Being a prototype at the far edge of the envelope, at 260 MPH a design flaw could mean disaster. A simple change like having to move the main gear 2" could result in having to redesign the entire airframe and add several months. Read about the C177 and Cessna, an established airplane manufacturer with money and a team of aeronautical engineers and the things they had to fix after the plane was built, after altering a proven design.
@samtatenumber12 жыл бұрын
@@dougj8186 and planes that small and fast, even if they are mechanically and structurally sound, prove to be way to much of a plane to even fighter pilots, ending up in lots of deaths and bad publicity
@dougj81862 жыл бұрын
@@samtatenumber1 The only "disruptive" homebuilt planes are the VanGrunsven RV series, 100 year-old technology using aluminum and rivets. I flew up and visited years ago when he was based at his parents farm in Oregon and the aluminum stock was on racks in the field outside his shop.
@ashsmitty22442 жыл бұрын
@@dougj8186 Yes, it would be fair to say that this aircraft is one giant resume for getting a government contract (maybe drone) by showcasing their skills. But that’s great business sense and means they will be around for the long term which means support for all the DA owners. I’m sure they are well ahead of anything you have already thought of as potential hurdles in their future.
@cf62822 жыл бұрын
I am an engineer myself and close to getting my LAPL. A really good video describing the entire design and build process. Yes many more items can be discussed and need attention. But this video really is a great educational tool. I will sure keep following progress! Thanks for making this video!
@barirwin85592 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video for any innovator . Thank you for sharing your knowledge, and the very best of luck with the Aero 1.
@kenvangoe93582 жыл бұрын
When you think you're done another idea pops into you're head sometimes good sometimes not so good but those usually are disposed of with hands on demonstration and real world use and safety but not at the cost of reliability and control don't concentrate on just the weight but the integrity of the build this plane is a game changer with the design and technical aspects galore great job
@erikig2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Colin Chapman’s obsession with weight and performance in auto racing. Kudos to the team!
@brianb-p65862 жыл бұрын
This it the third reference to Colin Chapman that I have noticed here. I doubt that many people familiar with the reliability and durability of Lotus cars would trust their lives to an aircraft built the same way.
@dirtboy8962 жыл бұрын
Been following for a few years now, glad to see you nearing completion
@rogerclarke32912 жыл бұрын
Awesome Video and aircraft. Your teaching style is clear and easy to understand. Thanks for posting.
@danielleriley27962 жыл бұрын
When Mazda made a new MX5 years ago they wanted to keep the weight right down. They had engineers look at every single part, nothing was excluded, and then reduce the weight even if it was only a gram. I saw this is a feature on Top Gear UK. Mazda managed to reduce the weight of the rear vision mirror by 90 grams / 3 ounces. First off that’s great, second is what was going on in that mirror to start with? You seem to be setting yourself up to do the same. You know what you have and what it needs to do and you control the construction. So now you can get super critical on everything. The Dark aero is a Rapier rather than a broad sword. Both will kill you but ones a refined seemingly delicate design and the other is a beast.
@andrewashmore80004 ай бұрын
Indeed
@Erik_MN2 жыл бұрын
I used the same tracking techniques to hit correct weight on new locomotives when I worked at Electromotive Diesel, such as SD70ACS and GT38ACe.
@felixcat93182 жыл бұрын
"Simplify, then add lightness" Quote of Colin Chapman, Owner, Chief Design Engineer of Lotus, the constructor of race and road cars famed for their performance, handling and lightness! Your videos are a joy to watch, a real masterclass! Your aircraft will be phenomenal, and by having control over every aspect, your commitment to design and construct the aircraft to the specification you want is attainable. Being meticulously precise about weight, and how to improve design and manufacturing to gain additional lightness is vital.
@hunteran Жыл бұрын
I think Ed Heinemann had a similar phrase.
@StephensonRaceTech2 жыл бұрын
Very cool! I did my degree in Aero Engineering, this is the dream I had then. Will be great to see it up close some day!
@Factory4002 жыл бұрын
715lbs!!!! Awesome achievement! Soooooooo many details to make that happen.
@2thelimitandthensome2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video! I really appreciate your willingness to teach others. I would love to see a video like this on aeronautical design, sizing, speed estimate, and range estimate. Great Job 👍🏻
@artur.bordianu Жыл бұрын
This project is a piece of art!! Congratulations and good luck further to all the team members!
@chippyjohn12 жыл бұрын
With regards to Carbon Fibre, have you considered the safety of the occupants in the event of a crash as carbon fibre shatters into sharp pieces regardless of the honeycomb. Also what about lightning strike? What if the aircraft is struck by lighting, if you paint it, the extra insulation will cause a concentration of energy, possibly dissipated by the honeycomb, but also if the honey comb is air tight, the rapid expansion of heated air may cause de lamination and explosion. Unlikely, but possible if a pilot flies through a storm. Also, if this aircraft is flown at high altitude and the honeycomb is air tight, will the structure be able to handle the pressure differential between the honeycomb and outside, or repeated pressure cycles? Also, how repairable is the aircraft, if damage was to occur to a wing, would you have to replace the whole wing, is it removable or is it permanently attached?
@andrewashmore80004 ай бұрын
Very good points. Worth considering. I really like there grid spar concept.
@grh4721971 Жыл бұрын
I love the progress videos. Really cool aircraft. But I must say the outtakes were hysterical.
@waywardscythe33582 жыл бұрын
It's really cool seeing the stuff my team is doing for SAE Aerodesign carried over to a full scale aircraft. And actually you've inspired me to crack down on our somewhat lax part weight tracking.
@plainText3842 жыл бұрын
For all my fellow friends of reasonable units, 750 pounds is 340,2kg.
@jakleo3372 жыл бұрын
Or as Jeremy Clarkson once said, " In Roman Catholic ".
@simpilot0012 жыл бұрын
Lol so true. Wish I was raised with the metric system so the scale would be easier to see without having a measuring tape
@Beerbellybilly12 жыл бұрын
THX
@danniendorff48152 жыл бұрын
Isn't it 53.5 stone?
@Beerbellybilly12 жыл бұрын
@@danniendorff4815 53.8
@GasoliniASMR2 жыл бұрын
Lightweight and simplicity in design often makes for a beautiful machine but this is stunning. Congratulations!
@tafaragadze64322 жыл бұрын
I love the bloopers at the end. Reminds you that they're just people too and makes them a lot more relatable, as remarkable as they are.
@alexmontero36422 жыл бұрын
Wow, Gorgeous, Loved watching how you guys designed and built every part. Good luck on the first flight. Cannot wait to see this Beauty Flying.
@Giovanni.Tedeschini2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much - this was an amazing summary of what I really always wanted to know about wings.
@BillCutter31010 ай бұрын
Good grief... the wing is so light that two guys can carry it around. I work only on the Cessna 310... the wings are bolted to the fuselage. Just one wing is so heavy that it takes an adjustable cradle to support it while it's removed from the fuselage, and a crane to lift it. Crazy good work there, guys.
@ChristopheD_2 жыл бұрын
Very good video. like a teaser! It made me understood how much brain and work were involved behind the scene. Thanks
@nick377812 жыл бұрын
This is the only youtube series that I have enjoyed following in like 10 years of using youtube
@christianbowes79072 жыл бұрын
Best ep yet. Enjoyed hearing about the design principles
@EJWash572 жыл бұрын
Thanks for such a clear and understandable presentation. Getting close to airworthy certification? Nice!
@willhall46312 жыл бұрын
onshape is awesome. The engineering/design firm I work for uses it and its an excellent platform for anyone, but especially when your team is spread out.
@fsierrai2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Absolutely hats off! What a beauty of engineering. Congratulations to the whole team.
2 жыл бұрын
For me, this is the most exciting project that I'm following. If I lived near Madison, I'd seriously consider volunteering. It looks like a really cool plane and I'm looking forward to seeing it fly, but I'll probably never be able to afford one. Good luck guys!
@AF_CSL2 жыл бұрын
Congrats guys. This is an exciting project! Good work.
@66aviator2 жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC video guys. Love the outtakes at the end too!
@DK-Design2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy Onshape! The last assembly I was working on was 1,576 parts, and it was chugging hard. I need to work on my best practices.
@ulfbowallius2 жыл бұрын
I’m impressed and really look forward to your next video. My latest airplane was a Glasair 1 TD with a 360 Lycoming. I really enjoyed to fly and weight optimize that plane. Your Darkaero will be something else though. Supercool!
@JDK737722 жыл бұрын
Yall are truly inspiring. Your pride in waht you do shows in the final product.
@jlunde352 жыл бұрын
Thanks, guys, for teaching us about aeronautical engineering. Fascinating.
@n176ldesperanza72 жыл бұрын
Outstanding job. I can't wait to see real world performance numbers. That empty weight is unreal. I built an RV-6A. It came out pretty heavy for a 6A because I kept adding things and performance took a hit. Your weight discipline is really going to pay off.
@scott_aero39152 жыл бұрын
Excellent video - if you want to make a lightweight vehicle with credibility, this is how you do it. I am following a similar process with my drone work. I'll be honest, when I'm looking for money to help grow my business, and someone asks what my plan is - I'm going to say I'm mostly just copying you guys! I hope to see a DarkAero 1 in the UK someday soon!
@rv6ejguy2 жыл бұрын
Great job in hitting your weight targets and another great vid explaining how you accomplished that.
@makethepart2 жыл бұрын
What an insightful review of some of the uniqueness that makes the Dark Aero 1 so special.
@vmpgsc2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic content. Thank you guys. Looking forward to first flight.
@Pedro5antos_2 жыл бұрын
AWESOME! Congrats to all the team
@charlesblithfield61822 жыл бұрын
This is a very cool video that explains a lot of interesting engineering solutions in a concise clear way.
@kraftwurx_Aviation2 жыл бұрын
Super light also has some negatives. 1. Tossed around by lighter winds. 2. Less inertia when idle during landing so wind gusts can reduce speed fast. 3. Crosswind components will matter more. 4. Will bounce off the runway easier when landing.
@gerrybeylerian52902 жыл бұрын
The issues you are describing can be overcome with careful wing loading selection. I don't know the DarkAero's wing loading is, so can't comment on whether it will be more easily tossed around...
@gerrycooper562 жыл бұрын
Simple explanations of a complicated process - thanks.
@effortaward2 жыл бұрын
Great video!! Thanks so much going through the process. Can’t wait to see it fly, and then the awesome cross country trips you’re going to have
@scpowered2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the details and sneak peek into your design methods! Well done and put together 👍
@AirwavesEnglish2 жыл бұрын
I'm so, SO excited for you guys. Can't wait to see a massive success from this!
@herrjonna20072 жыл бұрын
This is so exciting! It's coming together!
@zmanmd1641 Жыл бұрын
By making this aircraft extremely lightweight, one of the tradeoffs will be comfort. Very lightweight aircraft are very bouncy in the summer when they encounter thermals. Just compare an LSA's ride and comfort to a Cirrus SR22 to understand the difference. If you have ever ridden in a race car you will understand exactly what I mean. The NVH can initially be shocking to the senses. Even after repeated exposure, the inside of a bare bones vehicle is not a pleasant place to be long term. It's a thrilling place to be when performing at the limit, but it would quickly become tiring on a long boring cross country trip.
@chibooga2 жыл бұрын
What an informative video. Thank you!
@randomthings27112 жыл бұрын
In terms of your weight to HP graph, do you know roughly where Mike Patey’s Scrappy and former Draco would fall?I feel like those planes would be up near DarkAero 1. There is no doubt both your team and he and leading revolutionary changes in GA for the better! Keep up the amazing work!!
@PDZ11222 жыл бұрын
There is nothing lightweight about Scrappy. It's the equivalent of an aerial monster truck. Only the ridiculous power makes up the power to weight ratio to anything reasonable.
@jcims2 жыл бұрын
@@PDZ1122 it’s light for its capability buuut its a flying firetruck so…
@timgarrett2032 жыл бұрын
Excellent! With your cad model volume, what is your total vehicle density? Density is another good way to compare vehicles. Also, add in the Zenith aluminum airplanes for comparison. They are very light, too.
@DarkAeroInc2 жыл бұрын
Good call! The Zenith CH 650 would have been another low wing 2-seat kitplane we could have added to the comparison. Total vehicle density would be an interesting comparison. 🤔
@Jimbo-in-Thailand2 жыл бұрын
👍👍 DarkAero - WOW only ~750 lbs with a 200 HP big fan in the front! My then new 1981 Cessna 172RG only had a 180 HP Lycoming! Can't wait to see a video of your first flights. BTW just subscribed. Regards from STEAMING HOT Thailand! 😁
@darklyte242 жыл бұрын
So proud of you guys cant wait to see it fly.
@robertoruisanchez49492 жыл бұрын
Congratulations. That is a great milestone achievement at the 1st prototype stage. You are building way more than an airplane ✈️, this solid foundation in design and manufacturing effectivity will lead to
@robertoruisanchez49492 жыл бұрын
future options and other products. Thanks for sharing your path and hope your certifications comes soon.
@crufflerdoug2 жыл бұрын
Super interesting. Love these videos.
@markthibault85792 жыл бұрын
Impressive! This fits with the Colin Chapman approach to design: Simplify, then add lightness. Also Gordon Murray's obsession with weight too.
@nitroxide172 жыл бұрын
Good engineering principles being applied here
@ryanreviews85662 жыл бұрын
she is an absolutely beauty! can't wait to see this fly
@mikelaughlin44702 жыл бұрын
We’ll done guys, outstanding as usual! Being a pilot I appreciate the importance of minimizing the empty weight.
@TIO540S12 жыл бұрын
I’ll never build an airplane and this isn’t the airplane for me (I fly a Cessna 441 / Conquest II) but I love your channel for its deep and detailed explanations. I wish you every success!
@baomao72432 жыл бұрын
Worlds collide! A twin turboprop is a sweet ride. Modern high-performance singles can be sweet. I like both paths to higher speeds - they both channel my inner engineer. On the other hand, the potential safety of a twin is t lost of me. 👍
@dereksellars2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update. Very informative :) Can't wait to see it Fly!~!
@talicoate2 жыл бұрын
Does being so high in the power to weight ratio, incur a higher risk of torque roll?
@GravityKnightFlying2 жыл бұрын
Neat build guys! That is pretty darn light!!
@morganwilliamson63932 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see that thing fly. Keep Grinding it fellas!
@zegoflorida2 жыл бұрын
Wow - this is a very exciting build! Looking forward to the results Guys! Are there plans for Oshkosh or Sun n Fun? Thanks and keep up the Great work!
@russelllowry10612 жыл бұрын
as a 61 year old bonanza pilot I love all things airplane. Now that family is grown up , may down size to something like the dark aero for me and the wife in the future. Best of luck to you guys.
@ZebulonAirRacing2 жыл бұрын
Any chance you’d share your itemized weight spreadsheet? Lots of components you use are also used on other aircraft, it would save a lot of time.
@DarkAeroInc2 жыл бұрын
We haven’t shared the itemized weight spreadsheet yet, but we do have a hardware tool on our Knowledge Base that provides the weight of fasteners and bolted joints: www.darkaero.com/knowledge/hardware-specs/ Check it out!
@ZebulonAirRacing2 жыл бұрын
@@DarkAeroInc thx!
@divarachelenvy2 жыл бұрын
thank you for explaining all of this...
@hubertdaugherty89862 жыл бұрын
Well done overview. Thanks
@terryboehler57522 жыл бұрын
715 pounds is single place Pitts Special weight. J-3 weight. It makes me sooooo happy to see such weight discipline. It's the key to everything. Good job. I'm still pushing for augmentor tube exhaust. Specifically for the cooling advantage. Especially during long taxis on hot days. Yes, it works also at very low power settings. It's free performance.
@ashsmitty22442 жыл бұрын
I’m sure you could have one of your own considering it’s in the experimental category.
@Maviation2 жыл бұрын
Will be a nice machine when finished. Some questions - Will it be IFR approved? - What do you calculate for Fuel consumption in cruise? And ofcours - Cruisespeed? - I have a hard time do belive that the aircraft will cruise at 275 MPH most of the times. MOGAS? - Any thougts of offering a "all inclusive" kit? Engine, brakes etc? Then a small note, please update your homepage to knots and Nautical miles, and preferably so that you can easily convert to worldstandard measurements (mm, cm, liters..) it´s a mess trying to do it myself to find out if the plane fits me :)
@Mad_Dirty2 жыл бұрын
@11:00 - Lets talk about that WRT54G dinosaur router kicking around back behind the CNC.
@DIYflyer2 жыл бұрын
Great video!! Very impressed that you are coming so close to the original weight goal. Please incorporate a BRS in the next version. I know it will add a lot more weight, but will be a good safety option for DarkAero 1’s speed and long range. At least offer that as an option and do create the attachment points while creating the next version of airframe.
@davidchow95282 жыл бұрын
Amit, this is an experimental class aircraft. You can always add your own. Not everyone wants the weight penalty of a BRS. For sure da1 is about efficiency and performance and a BRS is not part of the mission
@johnlichtenstein61582 жыл бұрын
@@davidchow9528 it’s not that simple, can’t just slap something like that in without some serious engineering
@davidchow95282 жыл бұрын
Amit, of course. My point is it's experimental and you can do it if you want. considering it at this point would delay the project, add extra weight which is against the original mission and reduce the market demand for the aircraft. not everyone wants a brs
@TheOwenMajor2 жыл бұрын
@@davidchow9528 "You" can't in this situation. Without the proper mounting points and engineering, there would be no safe way for any builder to add a BRS system. With most aluminum/steel frame kits adding a BRS is actually fairly simple, but composite is a whole different consideration. What the OP was asking for was for them to add the *option* of a BRS system. Which TBH for me is a requirement in the kit world these days. You are right about why they wouldn't want to do it. BRS is a no-brainer these days. It saves lives and is fairly affordable in experimentals.
@davidchow95282 жыл бұрын
well i for one wouldn't want it. even as an option it would add weight and delay the project which was clearly defined from the beginning. look at trevor jacobs. he didn't need it. i'm kidding 🤣
@speedbird83262 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation.
@brushitoff5032 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff! getting close to the first flight? Love it!
@tomcoryell2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for the inspiration.
@christopherbeddoe4062 жыл бұрын
This beauty is going to be a performer. Amazing.
@Larrikin2 жыл бұрын
I'm seeing Mike Arnold's influence in the design, has it been mentioned already? Keeping the fuselage sides parallel from the firewall to the trailing edge of the wing, and also the canopy begins at the thickest part of the wing profile and peaks at the trailing edge of the wing too. (Inverse Pressure Gradient Matching?) KZbin search "Arnold rule; Mike Arnold's aerodynamic ideas" and "Why it goes so fast".
@sailor50262 жыл бұрын
Comprehensive. Thank you.
@Shadowboost2 жыл бұрын
This is essentially the Gordon Murray approach, being applied to aircraft! Very cool
@ChristianBorrman2 жыл бұрын
Nice, like your spreadhseet; I run an almost identical one for a hybrid ev restomod vehicle am working on, however have added your “delta” column to mine; thx
@rodmanser75732 жыл бұрын
Were you inspired by the SX300? I was fortunate enough to visit Ed Swearingen in his San Antonio shop while it was going together back in the 80's. One of the smartest guys I ever knew without an Aero degree. And of course, flying his SW2 Merlin design for many years has always been amazing. At MDC/Boeing we usually found control surfaces of aluminum were lighter than their composite counterparts.