Bloodlust: The Story of Bible John

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@mojomama1967
@mojomama1967 Жыл бұрын
Tobin died in 2022 and not 2015, he was slashed by an inmate that year but it just left a scar.
@DouglasvanderMooren
@DouglasvanderMooren Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the clarification on that point. I really like it when people share the infomation they know about the case. Especially when you know you're right and you did it very assertively. Once again, many thanks 🎉❤🇦🇺😊🤗
@henkdegroot5872
@henkdegroot5872 6 ай бұрын
When Tobin was in prison he bragged that he killed 48 people.......
@scotlandshistory
@scotlandshistory Жыл бұрын
It's a case that has haunted Scotland, particularly Glasgow, for decades. Those poor women and their families are still waiting for justice and it seems ever more likely the case won't be resolved.
@kcpoodlesofpa
@kcpoodlesofpa Жыл бұрын
Not since they carelessly lost dna evidence on all 3 cases. That takes talent
@pikeman80
@pikeman80 Жыл бұрын
The longer it goes on unsolved the more likely it is to be a member of the Police Force. They do anything they can to protect one of their gang buddies
@lynn5050
@lynn5050 Жыл бұрын
I was only a kid, at the time and lived near Glasgow. It had everyone, absolutely, terrified! Justice may still come!
@shelteredsparrow2736
@shelteredsparrow2736 Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤
@deblavelle8915
@deblavelle8915 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@thesolitaryplot
@thesolitaryplot Жыл бұрын
Maybe the victims werent chosen because they were menstruating but they were killed because of it. Imagine that the killer charmed these women and thinking he was on a promise of sex, walked these ladies home, probably after a kiss and cuddle, then being turned down to go any further because these women were menstruating or discovering they were, he flew into a murderous rage feeling duped or led on. I think there will be more victims that were either raped or maybe even consented and never saw his evil side as he got what he wanted from them and the victims felt they couldnt come forward due to attitudes toward victims in that era.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy Жыл бұрын
Interesting thought.
@potato_rae
@potato_rae Жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking! No way he'd know that before his awful acts.
@sarahstout5677
@sarahstout5677 Жыл бұрын
This is my personal theory as well; it's called survivorship bias. Because we only focus on victims that meet a particular criteria - women on their period - we don't look at anything else. What if Bible John's intention was to rape, but when he came upon a menstruating women (who are "unclean"), he murdered them instead? We aren't paying attention to other victims because we're only focused on murdered ones, and because of that, other potential witnesses were never identified.
@feelthejoy
@feelthejoy Жыл бұрын
That is generally the thought behind this unifying factor. To suggest otherwise means people aren’t paying attention to the research that has been done on this case.
@feelthejoy
@feelthejoy Жыл бұрын
There were
@Terri_MacKay
@Terri_MacKay Жыл бұрын
The women were strongly criticised for going out dancing while they were menstruating. WHAT??? The reasons that women have been victim blamed throughout history just keeps getting more and more infuriating!! 🤬🤬
@sandrapisani9225
@sandrapisani9225 Жыл бұрын
It truly is infuriating! What? We're not supposed to go out when menstruating? I don't get it.
@mirandagoldstine8548
@mirandagoldstine8548 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. But unfortunately it might have been a remnant of medieval belief that women who had intercourse while menstruating were impure and tainted. And these dance halls might have implied they wanted to hook up hence why they went out. I think that’s in part what drove Bible John to commit those horrendous crimes.
@Terri_MacKay
@Terri_MacKay Жыл бұрын
@@mirandagoldstine8548 All through history women have been punished, in one way or another, because men can't control themselves. 🤬
@Peeta-wn4hh
@Peeta-wn4hh Жыл бұрын
You’re absolutely right. I’m a man and I found this totally misogynistic even puritanical.
@mirandagoldstine8548
@mirandagoldstine8548 Жыл бұрын
@@Peeta-wn4hh I totally agree. Unfortunately I don’t think whoever Bible John was would agree. All I’m implying is that he might have come from a fundamentalist household which would explain a good deal about his personality and possibly his motive.
@carol.luna.stella
@carol.luna.stella Жыл бұрын
Thanks for covering this. I remember reading these cases in all the Sunday newspapers when they happened. I would like to see them solved even after all this time.
@GotMoreCakes
@GotMoreCakes Жыл бұрын
Peter Tobin didn't die from the slash wound. He died last year from cancer.
@halfbakedproductions7887
@halfbakedproductions7887 Жыл бұрын
Tobin was also very badly beaten up some years ago while in general circulation at HMP Edinburgh and apparently refused all pain relief or anything more than basic medical care. I believe his face was smashed off a sink.
@rruth82
@rruth82 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad u said that cos I was thinking wasn't it last year? I remember there being an outcry as the scum paper ie s*n posted pictures of him ill in his hospital bed.
@janetbrockbank323
@janetbrockbank323 Жыл бұрын
How awful poor ladies, they just wanted to dance the night away and have a good time x 😳
@lynnybee6328
@lynnybee6328 Жыл бұрын
Mima mcDonald was my mothers friend😢, I was born in Mackeith street were Mima lived & died.
@KohalaLover
@KohalaLover Жыл бұрын
Tragic. I’m so sorry.
@COOKIEDOUGHTHEGREAT
@COOKIEDOUGHTHEGREAT Жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry this happened to them , these women had kids who loved them and that they wanted to see grow up into adults , it’s so unfair how life works smh
@JuniperAplays
@JuniperAplays Жыл бұрын
2:47 😊
@mirandagoldstine8548
@mirandagoldstine8548 Жыл бұрын
I agree. He should have been captured and brought to justice. Hopefully he’s facing justice now if he is gone.
@lyedavide
@lyedavide Жыл бұрын
The police made quite a few significant mistakes by dismissing potentially key avenues of inquiry and by getting tunnel vision in their focus on just one theory with regards to suspects. That said, they are human like the rest of us and they make mistakes. The sad part is that whoever killed those three women got away with murder.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy Жыл бұрын
That's actually not accurate. I looked into the case online and found that there was a massive investigation, much of which was not shared in this video for some reason. They didn't get tunnel vision at all. They were allowing the evidence to lead them, but there just wasn't much to go on. Evidently, at first, they didn't think 2 of the cases were necessarily connected for a few reasons, one being that they were 18 months apart. Anyway, here is some info I discovered: Over 100 investigators were assigned to the case full-time 16 undercover male and female detectives went to the ballroom twice a week Over 450 hairdressers in the area were shown the sketch Over 50,000 witness statements were taken Over 5,000 potential suspects were questioned in the first year alone
@always_b_natural703
@always_b_natural703 Жыл бұрын
I didn't realize that Tobin had been cleared by DNA. THX for the update. Great work, as usual.
@jackieblue1267
@jackieblue1267 Жыл бұрын
Tobin's colouring is different. He doesn't look like the sketches. If they have dna why don't they use genetic genealogy?
@plipertyplap4899
@plipertyplap4899 Жыл бұрын
I thought semen was found on a victim that didn't match Tobin's DNA .....but it's not that difficult to carry another man's semen in a soiled condom to plant false evidence....as sick as that sounds
@Sigma.6
@Sigma.6 Жыл бұрын
That doesn't clear Tobin. It just means Helen Puttock could've had a quickie with someone else. He's a dead ringer for the pic, he had a missing tooth and Helen's sister said and he used the name John Semple. My money's on it being Tobin. Him moving to England means nothing. It only takes a few hours to be back in Glasgow.
@plipertyplap4899
@plipertyplap4899 Жыл бұрын
@@Sigma.6 if you want the killer to be him it will be him one of the photo fits looked like Jimmy saville
@lynnsnowdon49
@lynnsnowdon49 Жыл бұрын
I live beside an area called Battlefield and about 100 yards from where Patricia was found. Always felt Angus Sinclair was a good suspect who lived in Battlefield I believe in the 1970s and knew the area well. He also fits the description better than Peter Tobin and certainly had gingery hair in his younger years.
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles Жыл бұрын
I think Sinclair looks like the sketch. He doesn't open his mouth in any photo, so you can't see his teeth. Sinclair m.o matches these stranglings.
@Justme-w6y
@Justme-w6y Жыл бұрын
4:55 what is the significance of the shoes?
@TheKillingJoker1980
@TheKillingJoker1980 Жыл бұрын
The courtroom-like drawing is scary asf!
@TheKillingJoker1980
@TheKillingJoker1980 Жыл бұрын
10:03
@jr7845
@jr7845 Жыл бұрын
100%
@SparkieGoth
@SparkieGoth Жыл бұрын
I've never seen the reconstruction of Bible John showing his teeth. For some reason, that particular image unsettles me in a way the others do not.
@kitsunemoonlight1680
@kitsunemoonlight1680 5 ай бұрын
same. very creepy
@brokensymphony
@brokensymphony Жыл бұрын
Please please please never change your background music, it's beautifuly haunting
@spicencens7725
@spicencens7725 Жыл бұрын
Excellent coverage DC! Very sad indeed!
@martinwarner1178
@martinwarner1178 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant voice and accent for these videos. Keep up the great work. Peace be unto you.
@MorristheMinor
@MorristheMinor Жыл бұрын
The reason why the police gave so much prominence to the clues of the bite marks, was that these had proved vital in catching the murder of a girl named Peacock, who was murdered in the Lanarkshire town of Biggar in 1967. Forgotten Scotland has covered this case on KZbin.
@MrTonaluv
@MrTonaluv 5 ай бұрын
I've heard the bite mark was on her wrist, not her thigh...
@seandelap8587
@seandelap8587 Жыл бұрын
This guy could still be alive you know he would be quite old now but its scary to think that this guy has been walking around free for decades without anyone realising of the crimes that he commited and he likely has more victims that we don't know about serial killers don't usually stop killing unless they're physically incapable of doing so and the fact that these murders happened well over 50 years ago gave him more than enough time to go on another killing spree at some point
@mirandagoldstine8548
@mirandagoldstine8548 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I have a theory on why he was so hyper focused on menstruating women. I think Bible John was brought up in a strict, fundamentalist household that stated that women who were on their periods were unclean. You see Judaism actually has a reference to menstrual blood by stating that they (women) are tainted during their periods and in the past the Church specified that women should not have intercourse while menstruating. In fact after a women’s menstrual cycle ends the woman was expected to take a ritual bath to purify herself in order to wash away the impurity. At least that’s what I recall from what I learned via reading certain Jewish texts and books on Medieval history. I’m trying not to let a bias form because of my knowledge but that’s been my theory on what drove Bible John to commit his crimes. If anyone has any theories of their own I would be interested to read them. Whatever the case may be this person was clearly not stable mentally and he took mothers away from their children. Hopefully he is rotting away in Helheim where he belongs.
@tattooedbikerunexplained
@tattooedbikerunexplained Жыл бұрын
My god this is a fantastic video, i loved this, dark, intriguing and wow, your voice. Loved it, Im a new fan - Biker.
@RalphCunha
@RalphCunha Жыл бұрын
Another awesome video DC!!!! Thank you for all of your hard work that you put into making these fantastic videos. Your channel is one of my favorites, you dive deep and simplify the information that you gather, making it easy to follow along and stay interested. Keep up the amazing work and I can’t wait to see what you have coming up next 👍🏼👏🏼🤟🏻👊🏼
@sallykohorst8803
@sallykohorst8803 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this story that needed to be told. How can people be so 😢😮mean?
@kittenrants
@kittenrants 11 ай бұрын
I was saying to a friend i was at the barrowland ballroom last month and they told me about this story! So glad you've covered this
@celticberts3207
@celticberts3207 Жыл бұрын
Am from the east end of Glasgow not far from the Barrowlands. Still haunts the city. Even my son knows of Bible John and what a monster he was.
@Jkk55
@Jkk55 Жыл бұрын
What are the chances that all three of his victims were menstruating?! weird coincidences. Whoever did these crimes got away free he was or is a monster. Thank you DC another well presented video 👏👏
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy Жыл бұрын
So strange. If that was part of his MO, how would he ever know??
@skreemqueen7520
@skreemqueen7520 Жыл бұрын
I thought the same. How would he have known? I suppose it could be coincidence but…….
@ClaireBeatty
@ClaireBeatty Жыл бұрын
Maybe he asked them to have sex and they said they couldn’t or wouldn’t because they had their period.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy Жыл бұрын
@@skreemqueen7520 Stranger things have happened, so it's possible.
@widowkeeper4739
@widowkeeper4739 Жыл бұрын
The only thing I can think of is maybe he had a chance to peek in their purses and saw they had supplies with them.
@theranjithjay
@theranjithjay Жыл бұрын
1968- Glasgow Scotland - It all began after a brutal murder of a woman named Patricia Docker a nurse and 25 years of age. 18 months later in 1969, Jemima McDonald was seen dancing with a man named John who was familiar with the bible and bible quotes and Jemima too met the same fate as Patricia Docker. Then two months later the body of 29 year old Helen Puttock was found.
@KarmicSalt
@KarmicSalt Жыл бұрын
disgusting the way they shame the victims....even worse that it still happens today
@elizabethmcglothlin5406
@elizabethmcglothlin5406 Жыл бұрын
My Broken Record: Call the damned police! I know this is older, but it still happens. Afraid of being mistaken? Be afraid of being right but not calling!
@aganeko
@aganeko Жыл бұрын
So creepy!!!!! Thanks for covering this haunting story. Also,,, don’t watch this before bed HAHHA I couldn’t sleep at all after watching this
@sidneygreenglass106
@sidneygreenglass106 Жыл бұрын
He may have worked at a pharmacy or grocery store near where these women lived. How else would he know they were menstruating?
@bushlovesska
@bushlovesska Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying women wait until they get their period go buy feminine hygiene products bc it seems to me that they probably have them on hand since they are sold in lots of many many more than just one or two? So honestly seems irrelevant.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy Жыл бұрын
I'm always curious why so many are quick to chastise detectives. There was a MASSIVE investigation. It's not always easy, and we're only hearing a short summary of what happened. Imagine if we had to sort through every detail as it came in without knowing a single thing. Just in case you haven't looked into the case, here are some details I found: Over 100 investigators were assigned to the case full time 16 undercover male and female detectives went to the ballroom twice a week Over 450 hairdressers in the area were shown the sketch Over 50,000 witness statements were taken Over 5,000 potential suspects were questioned in the first year alone
@thechaz83
@thechaz83 8 ай бұрын
If John thought the Barrowland Ballroom was such a bad place wtf was he doing there??
@mirandagoldstine8548
@mirandagoldstine8548 7 ай бұрын
Who knows why. My theory is that he was looking for “wayward women” to punish. I personally think he was from a fundamentalist household that clung onto the archaic belief that a menstruating woman was impure and had to sequester herself during her period. At least that’s my theory based on reading about ancient Judaism and Medieval history.
@evakiss2562
@evakiss2562 Жыл бұрын
Interesting how did he knew all the ladies had they periods? Is not something to chat about when you out dancing…🤷‍♀️ also the police comment about enjoying yourself when you had your period is weird! Who ever done this killings?…is sad we never going to find out😢
@literally-defective
@literally-defective Жыл бұрын
Likely he came on to them and they said no I'm on my period
@evakiss2562
@evakiss2562 Жыл бұрын
@@literally-defective 🤷‍♀️
@SusanMiller-m8x
@SusanMiller-m8x 5 ай бұрын
This photo of bible John haunts me as when I was 19 i worked in a little chef garage and one night a man the image of bible John came into the garage and wanted me to go for a drink with him I said no but he wasn’t wanting to take no for an answer I had my guard dog who would have attacked him if he had came near me and by luck my boss came into the booth for the shift takings he knew something was wrong and he told the man to go away as he was going to call the police . He went away and I never saw him again . But I can’t get his face out of my mind he was wearing some sort of uniform he had a dark blue jumper with bits on the shoulders like a security guard of forces jumper he wore a light blue shirt and navy tie , but it was his eyes that seemed to look right through you and he had blonde/red hair and a smile that seemed to make him look smarmy . I will never forget this and often think it could be him . This was in Scotland in 1977 still gives me shivers
@benjo_pharmer
@benjo_pharmer 9 ай бұрын
You should listen to Pat Brown. It's not 'victim blaming' to encourage young people, both men and women, to be careful. Read 'killing for sport'. The reality is, there are predators out there and we all need to take care not to elevate our risk. Before I leave the house I evaluate risk, and rather than having a go at the media it would be better to encourage all young people to do the same. For example, don't take taxis home with strangers. It's basic safety advice, and blaming the media will not help a single person be safer in the future. Be more responsible in your analysis.
@Reticence9zen924
@Reticence9zen924 Ай бұрын
Not just 'Killing for Sport' but also 'How To Save Your Daughter's Life - Straight Talk for Parents from America's Top Criminal Profiler'.
@OhHeckNono
@OhHeckNono Жыл бұрын
I've been listening to true crime cases for years, and it's the first time I come across a man that chooses women that are in their periods.....I'm still wondering how the hell he knew....it's not like we go around telling everyone we are on those days.
@feelthejoy
@feelthejoy Жыл бұрын
He didn’t target them bc they were menstruating. He targeted many women for rape and only killed those who were menstruating.
@NASkeywest
@NASkeywest Жыл бұрын
They could have told him they were on period to stop his advances
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy Жыл бұрын
⭐️⭐️⭐️ There was A LOT more to the investigation: Over 100 investigators were assigned to the case full time 16 undercover male and female detectives went to the ballroom twice a week Over 450 hairdressers in the area were shown the sketch Over 50,000 witness statements were taken Over 5,000 potential suspects were questioned in the first year alone I'm curious where some of the information you shared came from. From what I could find online, within hours of finding her sister's body, police released a sketch according to Jean's description, even later improving it using new technology. 🤔 Jean was brought in 300 times to view potential suspects in a lineup. Although bouncers gave a different description and said hers was not accurate, her description was the one used. I saw direct quotes from police reports, none of which shamed the women or indicated that they deserved it. Saying things like they "were known to be promiscuous" is a fair note to keep in mind. It could possibly show one reason why they were chosen, especially considering the perpetrator acted holier than thou.
@feelthejoy
@feelthejoy Жыл бұрын
This channel unfortunately shares a decent amount of misinformation
@jenniferbreaux7385
@jenniferbreaux7385 Жыл бұрын
Another brilliant video
@aluvrianne
@aluvrianne Жыл бұрын
Tobin just seems too convenient. It's like pinning the Green River murders on Ted Bundy b/c he was originally from the Seattle area. My guess, due to the mention of rather white-collar/intelligencia attributes, is that he might have been a visiting scholar at Glasgow University. He was someone who'd been in the city long enough to learn the lay of the land but was only there for a finite amount of time. It's heartbreaking to hear the the physical evidence was improperly stored. That happens more often than it should.
@shez5964
@shez5964 Жыл бұрын
A reminder of how bad policing once was and how judgemental society was.
@Carlton_Wilson
@Carlton_Wilson Жыл бұрын
Married women running the streets at night are still viewed negatively, and rightly so.
@katim2644
@katim2644 Жыл бұрын
Looking back, now being 54, I remember internalizing that women who are attacked bear some responsibility for their attack for bad behaviour. We only heard of the stories where a woman who wasn't on her best behaviour, in any way at all, was partially at fault. Knowing better now, it just goes to show how the men in charge are so committed to the idea that women are property to be done with as they wish, that if the woman wasn't a saint, that was a reasonable defence to a rape. Dudes, is it too much to ask that you don't rape us? Too much?
@TheKillingJoker1980
@TheKillingJoker1980 Жыл бұрын
I assume they questioned Steve Davis??
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Жыл бұрын
He was in the frame for a while.
@jr7845
@jr7845 Жыл бұрын
Disgusting comment
@TheKillingJoker1980
@TheKillingJoker1980 Жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. oh dear, feel like I queued u up for that.
@TheKillingJoker1980
@TheKillingJoker1980 Жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. not got the balls for a come back??
@MrTonaluv
@MrTonaluv 5 ай бұрын
They didn't discount Jeans description of Bible John. If anything they went with it too much. The bouncers disagreed with Jeans description, and the manager had an argument about the cigarette machine with the man in question.
@arkoudakafe
@arkoudakafe Жыл бұрын
The detective from the stock footage at 9:27 looks a lot like the red hair sketch of Bible John 🤣
@cw4608
@cw4608 Жыл бұрын
If Bible John thought it was a den of iniquity he should have stayed outside and announced that fact to patrons as they came and went. To go in and dance with the shameful, loose, careless women then rape and murder them! What he was, is a psychotic murderer.
@SuperMissblueeyes
@SuperMissblueeyes Жыл бұрын
I've heard Prof. David Wilson talk about his theory that Peter Tobin may be Bible John & David Wilson makes a convincing argument in the documentary I watched (I wish I could remember the name of it, it may be one of the "Born to Kill" programmes, but I'm not 100% sure). The difficulty with bite marks is that unless they're cross-matched at the time, it's almost impossible to say whether they belong to a particular person or not decades later, as teeth shift over time & with wear. I wouldn't feel comfortable ruling out Prof. David Wilson's theory based on teeth marks.
@NickPenlee
@NickPenlee Жыл бұрын
Is Helen Puttock's sister Jean still alive I wonder. She described "John" to police and said he looked similar to a previous sketch of the possible killer. This video showed a photo of Peter Tobin when younger. If Jean is still alive has she been shown Tobin's photo? Does she still remember the young man with overlapping front teeth? It's rather unfortunate that the DNA has been lost or misplaced in the case.
@GotMoreCakes
@GotMoreCakes Жыл бұрын
Jean died a while ago.
@humane410
@humane410 7 ай бұрын
​@@GotMoreCakesive Heard that she Said it wasnt Tobin
@darkwoods1954
@darkwoods1954 Жыл бұрын
Peter Tobin died in 2022 of cancer. Not as a result of the attack on him in 2015.
@nikiryan8648
@nikiryan8648 Жыл бұрын
they should have checked the local priests and seminary students. bet you would have found him
@rachaelghostcat8584
@rachaelghostcat8584 Жыл бұрын
He spoke the bible, well hopefully God has really got it in for him! RIP to the victims!
@KohalaLover
@KohalaLover Жыл бұрын
Thank you Dark Curiosities. There are no coincidences. Three women having their periods at the time of their murders is the key.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy Жыл бұрын
We don't know that. How would he have known prior to targeting them?
@KohalaLover
@KohalaLover Жыл бұрын
@ VioletJoy I don’t know how he could have known but he did.
@EDDIELANE
@EDDIELANE Жыл бұрын
There is soooo much to rofile someone here> Why not set up decoys at the ballroom? Watch the ladies-room, because> how would he know to target women on thier period? I’d be so mad too, in this city.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Жыл бұрын
I think they _did_ set up decoys at the ballroom, didn't they?
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy Жыл бұрын
There was A LOT more to this investigation than wasn't mentioned here. There were both male and female decoys set up at the ballroom. In fact, over 100 investigators were assigned to the case, over 50,000 witness statements were taken, and over 5,000 suspects were questioned within the first year. I'm not sure why that info was left out. Also, I saw no mention of the sister's description not being believed. Her description was released to the public and was even later improved upon by the use of new technology.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy Жыл бұрын
​@@eadweard.Yes, they did, and it was quite an extensive investigation. I'm not sure why those details were left out.
@fluffyfour
@fluffyfour Жыл бұрын
No profiling in those days - thought to be 'weirdie' stuff. Also, women in the Police were largely used as secretaries, and thought to be 'unsuited' to undercover work. On the very rare occasions this happened it would prompt all sorts of discussions before and after, which are another story.
@Harpeia
@Harpeia Жыл бұрын
One thing that nobody ever does, even today, is check for the same M.O. across the border once the murders stop in the area they happened. "Not their jurisdiction" and all that. But in today's age of global information sharing, there's really no excuse for a lack of curiousity.
@robertwoods-dc4wo
@robertwoods-dc4wo 4 ай бұрын
Tobin was looked at but. cleared even by DNA
@lin9821
@lin9821 Жыл бұрын
Tragic hope they will one day catch him, but wtf were they doing there. How horrible was their life that they were out there 🥺 so sad
@LillibitOfHere
@LillibitOfHere Жыл бұрын
This is the first time I’ve ever heard my last name (one of the victims) for someone I wasn’t related to… It’s a bit alarming
@scottburbridge3170
@scottburbridge3170 Жыл бұрын
very sad for the victims.
@jackbsar
@jackbsar Жыл бұрын
Yes but two of them are cheaters
@humane410
@humane410 7 ай бұрын
​​@@jackbsarthat doesn't mean they should have died
@jamesfahey4508
@jamesfahey4508 Жыл бұрын
The existence of DNA had been known for a century by 1969. But that you could use it to tell one person from another (DNA profiling) was totally unknown at the time, and would be for another 26 years. So hardly "in its infancy."
@Adam-k8v
@Adam-k8v 2 ай бұрын
I'm sure Fred West frequented Barrowland around that period.
@neilmclaughlin2347
@neilmclaughlin2347 Жыл бұрын
Bears a striking resemblance to Turlough from Dr. Who. The use of a TARDIS would certainly aid in escaping a crime scene.
@TeatroGrotesco
@TeatroGrotesco Жыл бұрын
Armchair Theory: It was a chemist. Or a guy who worked at the chemist. He eyed the feminine hygene aisle and who bought what. If he saw the same person out that night he zeroed in. Not precise, but that was his tipping point.
@henkdegroot5872
@henkdegroot5872 6 ай бұрын
The total of victims of his crimes will probably never be known for sure. In the 1980s Tobin lived in Eastbourne, well-known from the White Cliffs and Beachy Head. He lived there under an assumed name and worked as a handyman for the local church, just like he later did in Glasgow when he raped and murdered Veronica Kluk, the Polish student. As you might know he was convicted to a whole-life tariff for that crime and send to HMP Edinburgh, where he died in October 2022. In 1980 Jessie Earl, a 22 year old woman from Eastbourne, disappeared mysteriously. In 1989 her skeletal remains were found in the undergrowth of bushes on Beachy Head. Her wrists were tied to each other with a bra.....The year before, 1988, Louise Kay, an 18 year old woman from Eastbourne vanished without a trace. She had a habit of sleeping in her car on one of the parking lots at Beachy Head. Kay and her car have never been seen since. Before his murder spree Tobin worked as a car salesman and had connections with scrapyards.....It is possible Kay is buried in Brighton where Tobin had property. The police knew that but for unknown reasons a dig in the garden never materialised....A bit odd, because Police did some digging in Margate, where they found the remains of Vicky Hamilton and Dinah McNicol. Tobin was already convicted for these crimes, as you might know. For the Eastbourne crimes Tobin was never charged by the Crown Prosecution Service for lack of hard evidence.
@chadmccoy8032
@chadmccoy8032 Жыл бұрын
What’s up with the deer?
@ItsNeverAManequin
@ItsNeverAManequin Жыл бұрын
i’m only half way through but what is this guy, a bloodhound? how the heck did he know that all three of his victims were menstruating?
@thetragicyouth
@thetragicyouth Жыл бұрын
Great, concise account of Bible John ... but do we have a different narrator this week (voice and speech rhythms sound noticeably changed)??
@jr7845
@jr7845 Жыл бұрын
It is the same last, maybe your mixed up with channels?
@rruth82
@rruth82 Жыл бұрын
2 sisters do the narration, very similar voices but you notice slight differences if you are a regular viewer.
@mavka.chorna
@mavka.chorna Жыл бұрын
The lady behind this channel is born an identical twin (no, i'm not joking)
@bellalegendre2644
@bellalegendre2644 Жыл бұрын
@@rruth82 yes DC and Kristy Skye are twins
@Carlton_Wilson
@Carlton_Wilson Жыл бұрын
How did he know? He obviously targeted adulterous women, but adulterous women who were also menstruating? Coincidence? How did he know?
@texastea5686
@texastea5686 Жыл бұрын
6:52 - not exactly making the best life decisions
@jr7845
@jr7845 Жыл бұрын
Not exactly not judging
@heyheysbk
@heyheysbk Жыл бұрын
WTAF did authorities say about these ladies because they were menstruating?! Absurdity!
@NASkeywest
@NASkeywest Жыл бұрын
People are asking about how he could know they were on their periods, I have a simpler explanation. After making an advance on these women, they could have lied and said “I’m on my period.” To politely say “no.” To his advances and this made him snap. That, or they were not on their period but were mothers and he left the tampons there to represent periods, which a woman of birthing age would have.
@victory8928
@victory8928 Жыл бұрын
the killer sounds like a very religious bugger who thinks that any women who doesn't 'obey' her husband and do what he thinks God wants to be fit for death. What an absolute villain being what he did to them.
@mirandagoldstine8548
@mirandagoldstine8548 7 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you. I personally think he was from a fundamentalist Christian household which clung onto the archaic belief once espoused by the Catholic Church that a menstruating woman was impure and she needed to sequester herself away from men not her husband. Thus he probably saw the women who went to those dance halls as “living in sin” and probably felt like he had direct “judgement” upon them for their actions. Of course that may be biased based on my knowledge of old Jewish traditions and Medieval history. Who honestly knows with this case. It would be interesting to know how religious Peter Tobin’s household was when he was growing up because if he was Bible John it would be a catalyst for why he committed those crimes. Not that he is forgiven of his crimes of course. I personally think Bible John is suffering in the afterlife, either rotting away in Helheim or else reincarnated as a measly bug. I honestly don’t know which fate is more fitting for a miserable piece of a human like him.
@lynnybee6328
@lynnybee6328 Жыл бұрын
Peter Tobin had 2 solid alibi,s for 2 murders , one being he was in police custody so he couldnt possibly be bible john .
@halfbakedproductions7887
@halfbakedproductions7887 Жыл бұрын
I do remember some very senior detectives saying that they were convinced it _wasn't_ him and for varying reasons. When I lived in East Anglia pretty much every unsolved case of SA or murder was just blamed on Steve Wright by default.
@molliwilson5639
@molliwilson5639 Жыл бұрын
The shadow man is scary
@sheilagravely5621
@sheilagravely5621 Жыл бұрын
Idk bout anyone else but going by the picture with teeth showing I definitely don't think I would be dancing with him!!!! Saf.
@candicebergstrom4490
@candicebergstrom4490 Жыл бұрын
Maybe it's just a coincidence that all his victims were menstruating. If not, I wonder how "Bible John" knew this. But, I probably don't want to know the answer!
@louisecoupland
@louisecoupland Жыл бұрын
Earl Street Glasgow. You really have not done this well
@gabe-po9yi
@gabe-po9yi Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Tobin had reddish-brown hair and slightly overlapping front teeth at the time. If not for the moral judgment by police at the time, I believe the predator would’ve been caught.
@ohguy1991
@ohguy1991 Жыл бұрын
That's crazy, I had an aunt named Jemima!
@suzannehaigh4281
@suzannehaigh4281 Жыл бұрын
A lot of things about this case are vey suspicious, very suspicious ?
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Жыл бұрын
Like the murders?
@agostinodublino1387
@agostinodublino1387 Жыл бұрын
how are the front teeth of Tobin?!
@jimmyavpi
@jimmyavpi Жыл бұрын
Isnt Angus Snclair and his brother in law the main suspects in these murders?
@caitlinbures4802
@caitlinbures4802 Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but the opening? “She didn’t notice anyone was there” oh yeah she was dead?!?!
@rruth82
@rruth82 Жыл бұрын
I was puzzled a bit by that part too but hey its free content and they put a lot of work into their videos I'm sure
@cedricliggins7528
@cedricliggins7528 Жыл бұрын
Glasgow is filled with hungry angry people.
@madhatt3r93
@madhatt3r93 Жыл бұрын
Jak sie masz? 😀
@madhatt3r93
@madhatt3r93 Жыл бұрын
@@DirtySanchez943 Oh my god. I wrote this comment on accident, right after I woke up and I thought I was sending a text message, I wasn't fully "there" yet 😖
@ericbernardo9161
@ericbernardo9161 6 ай бұрын
For sure by now bible john was already dead.he was now in hell reading bible 😅😅😅
@feelthejoy
@feelthejoy Жыл бұрын
There was DNA that was tested against Tobin that exonerated him in these crimes. He died of cancer following a stroke several years after the attack by another inmate. This is a pretty big mistake on your part. Love your videos and your narration but you’re really damaging your credibility with misinformation like this.
@soulstorm_music
@soulstorm_music Жыл бұрын
My Uncle was called John Whyte 😮
@WolcottOakTree
@WolcottOakTree Жыл бұрын
I knew a Bible Billy who had a pet goat.
@Spriggan828
@Spriggan828 Жыл бұрын
You post too frequently to be accurate
@deborahsteele7582
@deborahsteele7582 Жыл бұрын
I think they had an idea who bible John was but didn't seem to care about the victims because these was independent women this guy was probably known for domestic violence so he had probably been at least been known by the police for his weird behavior and possibly known by preachers or certain churches doing confession I mean he probably had a job were he moved around allot and it wouldn't be unusual to have committed these crimes other places or similar maybe his family was known as a church going family he probably lived in the next or somewhere nearby or somewhere in the middle maybe a loner but not to much because he seemed to be comfortable in crowds and didn't make people feel threatened or anoid about talking about the bible this man wouldn't stop committing these crimes or similar crimes like domestic violence even if he went to church some of his deamesner would be notice at least time to time somebody new bible John he might of been married at the time or a girl friend I believe other people had came in saying they new this man or know of this man he was nice looking but not hasom just enough but average look so would fit in whatever area he lived or working so it would his well spoken demeaner and talking about the bible people would've had notice him
@KABModels
@KABModels Жыл бұрын
Peter Tobin. i would bet money on it.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Жыл бұрын
Not possible.
@KABModels
@KABModels Жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. ive read the various theories, none of which hold too much weight except the DNA not matching, but all that proves is it wasnt him who sexually assaulted the victim on which the DNA was found.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Жыл бұрын
@@KABModels Well we don't need to prove it _wasn't_ Tobin. Rather proponents of the Tobin theory need to prove it was.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy Жыл бұрын
The bite marks didn't match, and there was evidence of him being in England at the time, which is where he lived.
@halfbakedproductions7887
@halfbakedproductions7887 Жыл бұрын
Some very senior detectives seem very convinced _otherwise_ and for a variety of reasons.
@jenniferbreaux7385
@jenniferbreaux7385 Жыл бұрын
Typical vote blaming
@cossiebhoy1
@cossiebhoy1 Жыл бұрын
My goldfish hates me
@COOKIEDOUGHTHEGREAT
@COOKIEDOUGHTHEGREAT Жыл бұрын
Who cares ??
@louniece1650
@louniece1650 Жыл бұрын
It feels ignored.😮
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy Жыл бұрын
​@@COOKIEDOUGHTHEGREATDon't feed the trolls.
@molliwilson5639
@molliwilson5639 Жыл бұрын
Goldfish hate trolls
@whoknowsthebowler
@whoknowsthebowler Жыл бұрын
Peter Tobin.
@Lee69111
@Lee69111 Жыл бұрын
Thats Tobin all over!
@MrSoldierperson
@MrSoldierperson Жыл бұрын
Jemima should not have been out dancing until 5 AM without her husband. I'm struggling to feel sorry 😞.
@MrTonaluv
@MrTonaluv 5 ай бұрын
Not 5am. Midnight. Big difference.
@michaelmichaels138
@michaelmichaels138 Жыл бұрын
I think the best thing to do if a family member disappears is to just wait a few days and see if they show up. If they don’t just assume they ran away and get on with your life.
@michaelmichaels138
@michaelmichaels138 Жыл бұрын
He earned his red wings thus sayith the Lord.
@Channel53official
@Channel53official Жыл бұрын
Mental disorder. Is 0% question a complete loser at minimum And talk about no game
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