The Problem With GTA 5's Arcade Style Driving

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[@watchthetox7074]

this is ironic

[@nuntius1]

it's ok bro. you get the money, we get content. win win for everyone. and people who can't skip forward a few times are just salty

[@illegalisntlegal]

the snail follows me everywhere i go, i cant escape from the snail... must keep grinding...

[@brunogt1982]

Fly through windshield can easy be fixed with an option to put a seat belt on 🤔👍🏼

[@TabbyEgg312]

@@illegalisntlegal same man, the snail just keeps taking my soul and my wallet 🐌

[@youssefnr1310]

Fun fact: in IV, if you try to wash a convertible car at the car wash, it won't be washed by the car wash itself, instead someone will actually come and wipe your car clean.

[@VramanNoodles]

It’s those small details that I love about 4, like picking up random crap on the ground and throwing it everywhere, or when you call the police or ambulance Niko actually specifies the location he’s at, in 5 neither of those things are there.

[@FriskyFlakes]

@@VramanNoodleswait, they don’t specify their location in 5? Thats weird since they do it for the taxi im pretty sure.

[@numbersstationsarchive194]

@@FriskyFlakes Yeah, they don't, they just say "I need a cop car" or something like that.

[@CyanRooper]

​@@VramanNoodlesThrowing dildoes at people in GTA IV was one of the funniest gaming experiences I ever had.

[@MrGamelover23]

​@@numbersstationsarchive194That is so weird because the taxis do roughly give your location. Hell, someone could even mod the game so that they stick those lines after "I need an ambulance."

[@MiniMackeroni]

Once you master GTA 4's driving, it feels incredible to go through the gaps between cars, dodge with near misses and know exactly how much you should slow down for turns and drift. You could really feel the weight difference between vehicle classes.

[@user-ne9sd4ow1o]

Momentum is the most fun sense of speed! That's why "slow" cars are fun 😅 Halo also dumbed down their physics unfortunately

[@wheeltorque3383]

Fr fr gta 4 will always be a class in it's own.

[@bolosantosi8527]

​@@user-ne9sd4ow1o in GTA IV one of my favorite things to do is get into a police chase on the Faggio scooter and try to outrun them by going through all the back alleys and shortcuts that I can. Try it, it's really fun, even though it is slow.

[@1977TA]

You forgot to mention how bushes In GTA 5 act like solid walls when you crash into them in a car.

[@huhneat8908]

ah, but not all of them, so it was a really cool surprise when the funny plant was suddenly concrete

[@droman608]

**Cayo Perico Flashbacks** 😳 #thehorror

[@ripadblock]

GTA V still beats IV no dif

[@georgesgranger6362]

That was AFTER the move to Xbone, when it was just the Xbox 360, Only trees and massive bushes stopped you, after the move to Xbone, the smallest bushes will completely alter your cars direction

[@Dhdbd554]

GTA 4 looks and plays like zza compared to gta 5.

[@andresleanos1950]

There is a reason i have more hours in GTA 4 than in 5, the driving physics was absolutely more fun in 4 than in 5. I still love 5 but no game can ever come close to 4 in driving mechanics.

[@BMoney8600]

Same here!

[@tylerk3616]

No question that driving is better in GTA4, but to say that no other game comes close is silly.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

Forza

[@Zazalifted]

100%

[@stefandinu6389]

I think he meant games that arent racing simulators​@@b1bbscraz3y😂

[@ThePhilosopher]

What was great about gta4 was that the physical movement was realistic, the cosmetic damage was intense, while the mechanical damage was forgiving. In gta5 however, it's the opposite - cars move and maneuver unrealistically, cosmetic damage is close to non-existent, and mechnaical damage is either doing nothing at all or you straight up explode on impact.

[@notchs0son]

Well no. Theres many ways cars in gta V get disabled and just don’t drive or turn on any more. In the story of gtav you can shoot the gas tank of the cars which then leak gas. Shooting at a cars gas tank makes it explode faster.

[@ThePhilosopher]

@@notchs0son I was talking about mechanical damage on physical collisions.

[@ReiDaTecnologia]

Honestly all i want is GTA IV's parkour mechanics in GTA VI... In GTA IV, you can climb almost all buildings if you are creative enough.

[@rubenlopez3364]

Climbing on the edges needs into come back

[@omer5838]

because in gta4 is way more detailed work. gta5 feels like it has been rushed. gta6 will probably be woke

[@MrGTAmodsgerman]

RDR2 had that come back but in a modernized form. In RDR2 the climbing is way harder to do since the player now controls way less precise due to the animation blending. But this system at least would be better then V one.

[@MaggotAddict21]

​@@omer5838GTA 4 is "woke".

[@miaobul7194]

​@@omer5838 just cuz I has a woman character doesn't mean it's gonna be woke plus u still got a male character so who gives a shit touch grass my man

[@mjetektman9313]

A detail on motorbikes on GTA IV: if you wait for Niko to get the helmet and crash head onto something, his life bar won't drain entirely

[@pedinhuh16]

This is also present on V, bike helmets reduces the base damage that characters take by 25%, confirmed with the source code leaks.

[@FerinitheBloodHusky]

@@pedinhuh16 how do you get them on in 5? I sit in place and nothing happens

[@apotatoman4862]

@@FerinitheBloodHusky might be in the interaction menu i know in online atleast you can change your motorcycle helmet from there

[@ElJony-kun]

​@@pedinhuh16 Wut? You just don't move and automatically character put the helmet

[@Reed_Peer]

@@FerinitheBloodHusky Stop the bike. After one second, the character will put on his helmet automatically. But if you're talking about GTA Online, you need to turn on auto-helmet on motorcycle in the interaction menu

[@acostro3845]

If we talk about the ejection system i think GTA 6 should have the option to toggle on or off seatbelts. Seatbelt on = no flying through the windshield. Seatbelt off = flying through the windshield.

[@gkan1042]

If niko closed the door on the car, it was the equivalent to putting the seatbelt on, the issue of flying out happens if you rush getting in the car and driving off (or soawn in a car with mods)

[@xalataf3365]

I wonder if they could do it like how they handle motorcycle helmets in 5?

[@imrpovking845]

Wondering now: do any of the GTA games have seatbelts?

[@nathanmead140]

​@@imrpovking845if they do they're just for decoration, I've never seen any character put one on in any of the GTA games I've played (3, VC, SA, 4, 5, VCS, LCS, CTW, Online)

[@phitsf5475]

​@@imrpovking845 I'm certain there is

[@jippalippa]

Driving in GTA IV was so much fun! Even aimlessly driving was so much fun.

[@jakefox589]

I didn’t enjoy gta 4’s driving style that much especially since the camera made it harder to drive and when I drove a comet at high speed it failed to turn at the bottom of a hill and crashed straight into a gas pump.

[@sunnywagle8995]

@@jakefox589The driving in GTA IV is pain specially when you have to chase someone and when you are chased by the cops.

[@selwyngabriel5289]

yeah i agree

[@MostlyPennyCat]

I loved driving in GTA4. Pick a fast car, go out at night, blast across the bridges listening to k109 or lrr. Down the main road in Algonquin.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

aimlessly driving in 5 is so much better because it's more beautiful. the game, the cars, the sky, the weather, sunset, night time, GTA 5 is beautiful to drive around aimlessly. I love 4 and it's probably my favorite since it was my first GTA game. but you can never say it was more beautiful than 5

[@KnownAsGoat]

Anyone else miss gta iv rag doll physics? Like being able to flip and tumble down multiple blocks and live while in gta if you slide smoothly on the road or slide down a 10 foot hill you’re dead

[@ThaCosmonaut]

I miss jumping off a helicopter. I hate the way the character falls in 5 after you jump off any flying vehicle.

[@instantmash]

Or you wait for a cop to grab onto the handle and then speed off with them holding on, flailing them into a parked car

[@__chevytrucks__]

The main reason there’s a lack of planes in GTA 4, is because the map could be too quickly traversed if they had planes or jets. Helicopters could get you from the northeast side to the southwest side in less than 2 minutes at altitude. Imagine using a plane instead…

[@MEGALODONGERS]

I actually have to wonder if it was even moreso due to issues Rockstar Games had internally with plane physics and/or collision. The common explanation for GTA IV not having manned planes is that there's only one airport along with the map being too small. However, Rockstar Games had this same issue prior to GTA IV with GTA VC (which has an even smaller map). Their solution to the issue was a boat plane (Skimmer). The Skimmer could have worked quite well in GTA IV considering the amount of water, piers/docks, and the ability to swim. Also, the Cessna 152 (real life counterpart of the Dodo/Skimmer) has a top speed of 126 mph while the UH-60 Black Hawk (real life counterpart of the Annihilator) has a top speed of 183 mph. So, the suggested boat plane wouldn't be too fast. Although, the speed gap between the two would ideally be closed up a bit in-game to allow for better utility of the plane that's unable to make vertical takeoffs and landings (unlike a helicopter).

[@JJFX-]

There are plenty of clever ways to do it and still be challenging enough though. I suspect the theory of the physics being the primary reason this was scrapped is most likely.

[@ripadblock]

That is why I prefer GTA V

[@giggity4670]

I think that was one reason why but they can do tricks to make it fly slower and not have jets but slow planes but i think it was due to the physics problems and 911 still fresh in there minds as 911 nearly got GTA 3 cancelled as that was based in new York as well and rock star all ready got a lot of bad rep from bad up tight mums with nothing to do but report the game and old people in government thinking it was a super realistic game making children killers. So having planes in a new York style game would just piss of more people if players try and make 911 jokes and fly into buildings.

[@Decontentmarkt]

I have a jet mod😁 super cool

[@FreeAimDog]

i think its funny how in gta v you can fall 3 stories and survive but if you slide off the cliff into the ground you end up dead from rolling

[@randomserbianguy5677]

Yeah, fall damage in V is so inconsistent it's actually crazy

[@electrified0]

​@@randomserbianguy5677It's inconsistent in real life too. Whether you'll survive has as much to do with how you land as how far you fall. Rolling down a mountain and hitting your neck on the side is going to kill you more than falling a greater distance and breaking your fall with your legs.

[@randomserbianguy5677]

@electrified0 that's not what I meant and you know it

[@whooshmeifgay2593]

I thought this was so you wouldn’t be stuck rolling all the way down a mountainside for 5 minutes…

[@ozan1234561]

I feel like gta deaths are not really deaths but any injury serious enough to incapacitate you Like, turning into a meat crayon wont kill you in most cases but it would be so painful you wont be able to just get up and walk it off

[@Francis_I-1805]

Driving a vehicle off of a building in GTA4 was always entertaining. I could do that for hours.

[@mansellracing8690]

HEY! DudeGTA5 On the XBOX ONE Physical disk version Is Amazing mate, The Damage System in that version is almost the same if not Identical to GTA4's Damage System, Even the driving feels the same because of it, Me and my mate was playing it last night just crashing the cars and just driving mad, jumping off Stuff, We had Cars Crumpling up, Doors hanging off, Windows Smashing in, Its the Best version by far. We even had a car set on fire, I told him to get out cause it will explode, And just like in real life It just Caught fire And burned out. Great version mate, you should try it.

[@TryptCore]

@@mansellracing8690 not true at all

[@mansellracing8690]

@@TryptCore Whatever Dude, I should know Ive Played Both versions of the game, I have both versions, what would i have to gain by lying. But if you want to say not true Than Think what you want mate, No skin of my nose dude.

[@TryptCore]

@@mansellracing8690 the 360 and ps3 had better collision model. so the only way is that they shipped the first batch of physical copies with those older gen collision parameters. you might be right after all

[@TryptCore]

@@mansellracing8690 i wouldnt say its as good as gta 4 but theres a difference from the current and the 360 version

[@BaseNAND]

GTA V was not the first GTA to have mid air vehicle controls. That was GTA SA. It also lets you roll over your car, but it was a bit more difficult especially because the car started burning after 2 seconds of being upside down.

[@djdayvi961]

GTA 4's realistic physics were what caught my attention the most. For an open world game with this level of realistic detail, it's incredible. I really admire the way the cars' suspension behaves.

[@David.Lynch.Stomps]

It's not realistic! Compare suspension physics in simulators. GTA IV is totally unreal.

[@1035pm]

@@David.Lynch.Stompssorry but you’re wrong, go play BeamNG…cars from the 70s 80s 90s and mid 2000s all have soft suspension. Cars are built for comfort as streets and roads are uneven. Only race track ready cars have super stiff suspension. Road cars like Porsche and Bugatti are still built for comfort and have slightly softer springs to allow for uneven road surfaces… just check out the high speed sprint races (legally set up) they do in America…Corvettes, Bugattis, Porsches all bouncing along the road.. you can see just how soft the suspension is to help keep contact with the road when going over slight bumps at 200/250mph.

[@Payro]

GTA:IV had a mid-air vehicle controll. You had to press ctrl and shift to manuver in air.

[@LouSassol69er]

Or the L2/LT buttons on console

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

Was it the same as 5? Or wasn't it difficult to move?

[@LouSassol69er]

​@@DarkSpaceStudios same but there's still natural vehicle control midair regardless of pressing the brake button in V.

[@Payro]

@@DarkSpaceStudios Worked same, but they pushed it much more in GTA:V

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

Actually you press alt-f4

[@someuser4166]

All you had to do was wear your damn seatbelt Nico!

[@pascha4527]

yeah, if you wait a few seconds when you enter the car. Niko (without animation) will put its seatbelt and you will not fly of the windshield.

[@GamingGrenade1]

I hope GTA VI brings back more realistic vehicle physics and damage. A big advantage of Rockstar having their own car brands is that they don't need to worry about a cars performance being affected by damage

[@Firespecialstar]

not having real cars in these type of games tbh is nearly the only solution you would really think a brand like ferrari would allow you to overly-customize your car and do shotouts or ride over people with it? they barely allow customizations on even need for speed, a game specifically made for customizing your car lol the gta 4 damage model has to come back either way, it's just so much better in any way lol

[@AverageAlien]

What??

[@rlfpotatoking9253]

@@AverageAlien Licensed car brands dislike seeing their vehicles in a damaged wrecked state in video games, For example: Ford admitted they would never star in a Burnout game, which is a racing game focused entirely on crashing, high speed racing and destruction. Since Rockstar's GTA vehicles are all unlicensed and have their own brand in the universe of the world (GTA) then they can do whatever the hell they want with them, give them some insane damage modelling

[@rlfpotatoking9253]

i would like to see some more dramatic damage, like GTA IV but more significant, crumples, paint scratches, bumps, dents.

[@b.1570]

Straight up bs from car manufacturers. Take games like DiRT or the GRID series where damage models were an actual feature. Affecting your car performance and try to race clean and keeping your car. It's not as so controversial as exploding or ramming people on a sidewalk

[@SomeGuy_Somewhere]

The reason you don't fly out of your car in V as often is because your character will put their seatbelt on when cold starting a car when not wanted.

[@FLXWGANGEntertainment]

2:03 this one got me dying

[@mrtop3s340]

Lol 😂

[@ThePimpinator]

I'm surprised no one has actually made an F1 car drive upside down yet in real life

[@Dogthegod-lu9ty]

Give RedBull some time and they’ll have an F1 driver do it for real

[@toyotasprintertrueno86]

Im sure RedBull will do it in about 10 minutes

[@mirex-konex]

they are working on it.)

[@ElSelcho77]

There is this one dude, that apparently is trying to do that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKjbgWl-jdB-f7s

[@Chastity_Belt]

While it is theoretically possible, it is also very dangerous and hard to achieve. I'm not even sure there will be enough friction between wheels and surface in upside down position to sustain speed high enough. So probably car will need jet engine to do such stunt.

[@ocksie]

i've been a fan of IV's driving style ever since it came out and i do believe it's better than V in most if not all ways, but i do remember it feeling like a breath of fresh air to finally be able to turn my brain off while driving in a GTA game. obviously over time though, that means the driving became much more boring compared to IV which always has the player engaged. V's driving did its job well for a bit but it simply doesn't work long term. VI definitely needs some sort of middle ground or maybe even an option to change your handling so people can fine tune their experiences.

[@VerminSupremeFanPage]

I personally think you shouldn't be engaged by the driving itself. I shouldn't be driving to a mission and have to be that engaged in a casual drive, because if I have to give that much attention to drive from A to B, how will I go from B to C whilst the cops are shooting at me? Driving should be second nature to the player, not requiring thought to perform. The engagement comes from using that driving ability to evade the cops with a cool maneuver, because if you have to be engaged just to move the vehicle you wouldn't be able to make the cool maneuver.

[@B.D.B.]

GTA4's driving physics were almost sim-like. 70's and 80's American cars handle like boats, that's not a bug, it's faithful representation.

[@Kagawwy]

Except that there are very few 70-80s cars in the game

[@PURENT]

Meanwhile the Corvette equivalent in GTA 4 rolling like a pig.

[@deathtrooper2048]

It is not faithful, if you play actual driving sims they handle way better than in GTA IV. Hell, even Mafia's cars handle better than GTA IV and those cars are from the 50s.

[@molot_hohlov]

@PURENT vette in gta4 is made in urkaine

[@TragicGFuel]

If you consider their in engine speed, it's a very realistic lol.

[@Majima_Nowhere]

Gta V physics should be reseved for supercars only. SUVs and family sedans don't stick to the road like they're on rails, they roll and understeer and complain the second you try to push them a little bit. The feeling of weight in collisions is important too; in 4 a car rocketing down the road can t-bone another car in an intersection and they'll both go flying, where in 5 they slide a few feet and stop.

[@TehDarkOn3]

I loved how mass had a real effect in GTA 4. I loved modding the weights of certain cars in GTA 4 to make them super massive, yet handle the same, especially the cabs, since they were everywhere and always easy to steal. Once I recall the advertising light banner (on the roof) on one of my cabs coming lose and tumbling towards the other lane of traffic. Since it also had it's weight amplified by the mod, it too was able to shove cars out of the way as if they were made of paper.

[@DanielKay06]

Something I always wanted was a "seatbelt" option for getting flung out of cars, putting on the seatbelt could be similar to how you put on a helmet on a motorcycle, you just wait parked a few seconds and it's on, though could also be an interaction when in a car. When on you can't get flung out and you take a bit less crash damage but you can't "jump out" a moving car as a tradeoff. That said they should really also change how bailing from a car or bike works, instead of just rolling uncontrollably you should have a way to stop or catch yourself somehow, maybe in exchange for taking more damage. That way bailing could actually be useful again as right now it pretty much just carries you the same distance your vehicles travels after bailing anyway :P

[@Tuulos]

IIRC at least GTA IV has seat belts, you need to wait for the character to close the door and / or start the car by themselves before hitting the gas.

[@LxrdBreezy00]

Being good at driving in 4 was so satisfying. V is great for racing and getting away

[@mansellracing8690]

HEY! Dude, Try GTA5 on the XBOX ONE, It's Amazing, The Damage System is almost the same as GTA4's. Infact Mabey even the same, Me and my mate were playing it last night, And we had a right laugh with it, just crashing the cars, And Jumping off stuff, We had crumpled up Body Panels, Doors hanging off, We even had Buckled up wheels, And the car wouldn't steer Proper. And the engine caught Fire to, We thought it was gonna explode, But it Just caught fire and started smoking, But the cops were on us and the ruddy thing wouldn't start, I told him to Pinch another car but He was to slow, And got shot BOO HOO. Anyway I think the Physics are Much the same as 4 because of the Damage system. It's a Great version Mate.

[@ericdraven7185]

it was almost impossible to drive in 4. It was a complete mess.

[@Mzegaa]

​@@ericdraven7185 sounds like skill issue to me

[@ericdraven7185]

@@Mzegaa 4s driving was utter shit…. I went into the game files and changed all the handling line, the cars handled more like gat 5…. All my friends lived and wanted my upgrades

[@Mzegaa]

@ericdraven7185 thats your opinion. I think that GTA 5 handling is bad and is not funny. It's just so easy. I can give it to some 5 year old and in 5 minutes he can drive perfectly. There is no challenge except those annoying NPCs that turn towards you just to make it look difficult.

[@nothinghere7391]

I think that GTA VI needs to do what MAFIA games have been doing for years. Having Having two options for the players to choose themselves, between "normal" and "simulation".

[@Average_Internet_User101]

R*, hire this guy... (Add a Toggle option)

[@DirtyDev]

@@Kaiess01not really since you can just choose to change to whichever would be more advantageous

[@Average_Internet_User101]

@@Kaiess01 Unfortunately not true, If everyone has the option, everyone can have the advantage, therefor the only people that would have set disadvantage would be people who (Voluntarily) toggled it to (Simulation)

[@Average_Internet_User101]

​@@Kaiess01 How can i tell you what the point of realistic driving physics is, when there is in fact no point. People what to have realistic car physics... but they don't want to play Beamng... people want realistic things in a game where a Police force has the memory span of a person with short term memory loss

[@Average_Internet_User101]

​@@Kaiess01 If "realistic driving physics" is more "fun" for you, and having a more Consistent and less Boring "Arcade Driving physics" is more valuable to a player like me, why can't we both have what we want without putting people in scenarios where they have to deal with teammates in missions that: - Get stuck by flipping their car - Are super slow because they dented their car too much on one side negatively impacting their driving - Get flipped when going over a ramp and flipping mid air - Get permanently stuck on a rock or incline because they were exploring the map - Get tossed through their windshield into the water

[@druffyspinkilingus6121]

I like to think of it like this. GTA4 high speed driving: Like the chase scene in Bullitt and maybe Mad Max. GTA5 high speed driving: Like chase scenes in Fast and Furious. Both are good but I find 4 is better when you are able to master the car physics in the same way Frank Bullitt can in a Ford Mustang around San Fransisco

[@riadurazo]

One thing I hated about GTA IV was that sometimes falling out of the car was that you could get killed, the problem was that there’s no health regeneration

[@kingthehacker9061]

17:30 Yes, you can, but it's so heavy to control

[@Payro]

Yup, with a shift and a ctrl button.

[@SirFunky]

Hearted the comment even though he explicitly says this would be unrealistic

[@notchs0son]

@@SirFunkyhe called the rag doll in GTA 4 more realistic even though Nico flys like paper in the wind and then followed his comment up with How much more fun gta 4 is than 5 even though multiple times he showed in the video that the gta v ragdolls do roll and tumble it’s just less likely that the entire limb is throwing you up off the pavement.

[@BDozer666]

16:42 You could always take another car and ram your old one to unflip it. 17:26 You can control your car mid air in GTA IV as well. Holding handbrake (or was it gas+brake, not sure which) also changes the type of air control (so you can actually turn the car left or right instead of rolling it). 28:41 GTA IV also has curb and wiggle boosting, as well as all the speed boosts that come from all the tiny bumps in the road. 32:44 They need to find a mid point between San Andreas and IV, not V. It was a big missed opportunity to not talk about San Andreas and what it did right. V's driving setup is pretty much downgraded San Andreas driving, as San Andreas had a much better balance of arcade and realism than V. Body roll actually existed and was properly applied to correct vehicle types. Cars of the same type had more handling variety between them. It didn't have the forced traction control system of the newer games or the weird physics glitches. It did some things better than IV.

[@iwtdl_]

Combining the driving physics of GTA IV and V can actually work for GTA VI. The Bravado Dorado and the Canis Terminus are the best examples of this.

[@_wris]

@@iwtdl_ I haven't driven either of them but are they really the best examples? Because so far I thought the Eudora was the best and (possibly) the only example of a combination of both physics. And from videos that I've seen about the cars you've mentioned, they seem to have the same stiff physics but I might be wrong.

[@wilbo_baggins]

Glad someone pointed the air control out. It's been a thing since even in sa (can't remember if it was prior)

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

Great comment, thank you

[@santi3256]

I think u are actually true. Like San andreas and V are almost the same type of driving, it's just that is not soo noticeable because of the clear difference on graphics.

[@nothinghere7391]

I absolutely love GTA IV's driving, but sometimes the cars look like they have sway bars made of octopus jelly. GTA V's model looks and feels like I'm driving a soap box. I think that GTA VI needs to do what MAFIA games have been doing for years. Having Having two options for the players to choose themselves, between "normal" and "simulation".

[@alainportant6412]

Rockstar doesn't really do that kind of shit. Everybody is supposed to have the same experience especially trans kids who are #1 users of Gta V

[@willdoyoutube]

This would not work for GTA 6 online, because it doesn't make sense having different physics for each player in the same session. Maybe they could add this option for campain mode only and find a mid point for online, but I think the odds of that happing are low.

[@iwtdl_]

@@willdoyoutube Already GTAO has different session types depending on targeting mode so it could likely work.

[@Channel9iNE]

@@alainportant6412 The fuck are you on?

[@thefallenvalley4340]

I can tell you're very new to the franchise by this opinion. Rockstar designs the whole game around a certain type of physics.

[@aaronlarson4358]

13:04 no Porsche IRL has THAT MUCH body roll, trust me, and with the acceleration, idk what suburban's you've been driving, but I think you destroyed your suspension if it rocks that much. I have driven cars very aggressive before (irl) and that much body roll is just wayyyy too much.

[@JanarzGTA]

17:26 You can somewhat control the car in mid air in GTA IV when you press the brake and steer the car at the same time

[@theninethrees8044]

GTA 4 online racing is far more grounded and took actual skill to compete. It had speed boosts if you curb and go over bumps. Braking points were extremely crucial. You had to focus a lot more on keeping your car under control while securing your position meanwhile GTA 5 online racing just had you focus on not crashing.

[@GameSpirit1]

I remember the pressure i had in GTA IV, of being 1st and trying to not hit the sidewalk, just one hit and the race was lost ! But it was so rewarding

[@theninethrees8044]

@@GameSpirit1 Lol yup, those racing lobbies were rough man. Not for the your typical NFS player, you HAD to know the condition of every street in the city to have the most control over your car. One pot hole and your Comet starts flying in the air doing 360 no scopes then next thing you know you’re in last place.

[@AlineaEuros]

In gta 5 you also use curbs to speed boost

[@electrified0]

Meanwhile in GTA5 races you're in 1st knowing that there's 2 kids behind you waiting to cheese catchup+sleep stream at the last second

[@astromonkey7120]

Bro you are racing against kids probably. Try to compete in any solid racing crew. You will be destroyed I promise.

[@honignoname98]

Beamng Mentioned

[@Hansalicious]

BEAMNG MENTIONED????? WHAT THE HELL IS OPTIMIZATION!!!!?!??!!?!! 🚘🚘🚔🚘🚔🚘🚔🚘🚔🚘🚘

[@Thatguy60929]

? ​@@Hansalicious

[@jannikheidemann3805]

Make sure to not miss out on it's FOSS (GPL 3) progenitor Rigs of Rods, which is still being maintained and modded to this day!

[@Mateg-M249]

@@Thatguy60929 ehhh. he is ig right? i have 16 gigs of ram personally but my beamng can barely reach 30 frames at just medium settings, not even

[@Knaeckebrotsaege]

@@jannikheidemann3805 RoR is quite the PITA if you've played BeamNG tbh. Was fun to mess around with for a while tho. Also fun fact... while obviously not the same as being FOSS, BeamNG actually has no DRM to speak of, which is quite refreshing to see. One can just copy the game folder to another PC and it'll work just fine, including already downloaded mods. The only thing that won't work/load is the Steam workshop to get new/more mods (for obvious reasons). They used to have their own CDN for the game downloads before fully switching to Steam as their CDN, simply because having their own ate too much into their (comparatively quite limited) budget

[@little-rat-tim]

for some reason i loved gta iv's motorcycle driving physics, install a first person mod and drive a zombie chopper, it feels unbelievably good in gta iv

[@facanadio]

I think that the physics accomodate the maps, 4's driving is more realistic because the city is more dense and speed control is key to a safe travel while building on top of that density, but 5's map has bigger and open terrain meaning that arcade controls help you travel without fliping all the time. If we had 4's physics on 5's map it would be a nightmare on more rural areas in the same way that 5's phisycs in 4's map would make travel easy and underwhelming.

[@jonesy1113]

if gta 5 kept gta 4s driving then your 3 million dollar car would blow up after 2 collisions

[@domasavpedzivin]

*Really enjoyable and informative vid , there's one thing that You had overlooked , specifically the fact that older cars in IV doesn't feature ABS , while the newer cars are equipped with it , personally I think that the driving model in IV was sucha step forward 'cos 'twas innovative, more demanding 'twas like a really unexpected but great move by the developers*

[@tylercouture216]

I wanted to mention something about the traffic getting in front of you while you're driving. I know it seems annoying, but to be honest with you that has been a part of rock star's driving philosophy since I can remember as far back as midnight club two. When you would drive on the wrong side of the highway. Cars would basically swerve to get out of your way, but as a result would sometimes swerve right into you. They even do it in red dead redemption two with the horses. Sometimes somebody is riding, and they'll just turn their horse in front of you.

[@Juanguar]

I’ve heard somewhere that they do this to slow down the player and prevent them from outpacing the loading of the map chunks

[@tylercouture216]

@Juanguar could be true for older games, but in all honesty, the only game that didn't do it purposely was gta4.

[@OneTeeGlory]

I remember playing GTA IV going insanely fast, WAY too fast for the situation because I was TRYING to cause the wildest crash possible to see how many flips my car could do in one crash, and how much damage I could cause

[@sunnychiu3872]

To me the perfect system would be somewhere in between 4 and 5. Take 4 and reduce the body roll. Speed up the acceleration and braking a bit more. Also use the damage system of 4.

[@andrewblanchard2398]

GTA : SAN ANDREAS .CJ.'s reaction to hitting a car or getting hit by a car .C.J. : " Aww SH*T , here we go again " " DID YOU STEAL YOUR LICENSE ? " " ARE YOU BLIND ? ! " " Aww man , my ride "

[@truesosense7722]

Gta IV has that as well : "Why can't people drive in this country ?" "How did you get your license if you're blind ?" "Sorry" "I hope it didn't hurt as much as it looked" Etc...

[@Simtatic]

I very rarely comment on videos, but Dark Space deserves the engagement! By far one of the best (maybe even the best) GTA channel out there. The effort which goes into these videos is crazy (editing, research, scriptwriting...). Thanks for creating such amazing content! To the video topic itself (i haven't watched the vid yet): i think a mix of GTA 4 and GTA 5 driving for GTA 6 would be the sweatspot. GTA 4s physics were too soft and GTA Vs too stiff. Also the whole flipping your car back up or steering in the air is kinda goofy. It had also other issues like when vehicles land on the roof or front end after a jump, they tend to explode which makes no sense. Hypercars and Sports cars should also be faster than in the previous games and also require more skill (for example, they could be easier to spin out, at least RWD cars). As someone who both likes simracing and arcade racing games, i know what both worlds can offer and i really hope Rockstar makes the driving in GTA 6 awesome since its such a vital part of these games. Not only for missions, but for races, travel and much more.

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

It's funny, you kinda say exactly what I say in the video 😂

[@Simtatic]

@@DarkSpaceStudios Yeah, i've noticed that. I think most people who played both GTA 4 and 5 share that opinion, therefore it's not a huge coincidence. ^^

[@addmix]

34:00 "If they don't add gas, hopefully they'll add a parody Tesla brand with an Elon Musk type of personality" Bro is completely ignoring the Tesla Roadster of GTA 5, and the whole GTA online doomsday heist plot with "Avon Hertz"

[@Fidelcastro4903]

i think the reason why cars in GTA have invincible Structure is because rockstar knows their drivers are gonna be shit and people will hate the game if you constantly hit something that cause your whole vehicle to be destroyed in the middle of the mission. People would still complain

[@VIVID816]

First new video I've watched in a long time where I immediately subbed after finishing.

[@nicholaspeterurgero1675]

i was in the top 10,000 players in GTA 4 multiplayer. i had a 13 inch tube tv with one speaker. i was a phenomenal driver and could do drivebys with ease. i was so disappointed with GTA 5 physics, damage, and the online in general. i only played the multiplayer once or twice

[@TengokuEXE]

GTA IV also has a weird suspension glitch some may or may not know. If you shoot at the area behind a wheel, it will cause the car to lower, eventually "breaking" the suspension. If you do this with all four wheels, the car goes faster. Combined with blowing out the tires, you can reach high speeds. While it's unrelated, a fun lesser known glitch is the shipping container glitch. If you do it in multiplayer while hanging onto it, it moves so fast that it can launch you above the sky cap or across the city so fast that it looks like you teleported.

[@glurak888]

GTAV has that aswell, the futo turns into a drift machine with that. It was meta back in 2013.

[@michaelmcd64]

I hope GTA 6 goes for an inbetween of 5 and 4s physics. Its good that you can unflip your car and have air control as a nice convenience feature. Especially with personal vehicles being heavily emphasized now. But hopefully the damage is more pronounced and the driving physics offering a little more challenge and variety.

[@Hansalicious]

High expectations leads to huge disappointment.

[@The_Ballo]

GTA6 will be woke

[@SergeantSniper]

Personally, I really prefer the particular challenge of mastering a realistic handling model. Tire, spring, and car body physics, realistic grip, all that good stuff. Everything else is either secondary or I'd rather not deal with it.

[@Isgonesomewhere]

I can just imagine Franklin sat there watching car crashes for hours intermittently shouting expletives

[@RobbinDijst-w6p]

I remembered that a armored truck has no weight in gta 5 and was spinning with the head lichts on the ground like a toll.

[@VioletGiraffe]

There are SUVs in GTA Online that can tip when turning at high speed, but they are very few.

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

I wish I hadn't missed that. Such a big mistake. Second big one too, because vehicles can actually be controlled in the air in gta 4

[@dividedstatesofamerica2520]

Cite an example.

[@conorjohn490]

Habanero.

[@MrNotorius007]

Can’t believe I agree with almost everything you said. Are you me lol. I’ve been saying this for years. Especially the next gen damage. They marketed it as improved damage while actually decreasing the amount allowed to the cockpit area making the cars only like 20% deformable in the front and back. I was so disappointed when the next gen version came out. What’s annoying is they could’ve come up with so many alternatives like character ducking when roof is damaged, or swapping first person damage as a separate damage model like racedriver Grid where once you go third person the actual damage is shown, or tweaking deformation to a certain level, yet they went with the laziest option of completely removing damage. Hopefully 6 has better solutions to damage and actually adds life to physics in the way cars behave. I could drive around for hours in IV whereas V felt like a lifeless chore.

[@GD_Mambra]

22:02 that is not true, in the GTAVI Trailer at the end when Jason and Lucia are kicking the doors open, on the left we can see a car with a pretty realistic dent in it. (and in the leaks we saw a bit more damage)

[@elitef40]

I love the 360 dasboard and guide effects. It's pretty darn cool!

[@Caminante_Sedentario]

How many times am I going to have to explain that the realistic driving of GTA 4 is not adequate on the map (in GTA 4 there are no forest or mountains) and in the gameplay approach of GTA V?

[@UltimateSpiderMan]

You can control the vehicles in ALL gta games actually while not holding the accelerate button.

[@UltimateSpiderMan]

Like in mid air

[@blendhon]

And unflipping by holding down the reverse button + left or right

[@UltimateSpiderMan]

@@blendhon that too, but you can't do it without enough momentum in the older games, and if its completely stationary you won't be able to unflip it.

[@blendhon]

@@UltimateSpiderMan Yep!! But most people don't know that (apparently)

[@Prince1991-e5h]

Never was a fan of steering in midair I think it should be nerfed it is just too goofy only thing it made sense for it was on dirt bikes like a professional stuntman pulling tricks in the air

[@cronus-kumo]

To be honest i feel so pulled apart by both GTA 4 and GTA 5 driving that i start to not care anymore what GTA 6 will bring. Don‘t get me wrong the GTA 4 driving is awesome and it actually feels nice to drive around through Liberty City but i also love the GTA 5 driving just because (as it already got said) it sticks to their arcade style driving. The addition of being able to flip your car around when landing on the roof was like the helping hand to a cry for help. I remember how frustrating it always was having a sick car in GTA SA and then flipping it. Of course it not rewarding then to be a good driver but it‘s still GTA and not a racing game and i feel like if you want it to be rewarding you still can make it that way. I agree that you can driver over pretty much everything in GTA 5 but it still is a bit more easy to spin out at high speeds due to all the bumps in the road. It just feels more "usual" or "familiar" to have an arcade like driving experience in GTA even thought i really liked driving in GTA 4 too. …… We don‘t talk about the visible damage problem cuz that really does suck in GTA 5.

[@1marcelfilms]

4 is a bit over the top with all the sliding around but its way way better than 5

[@HansSouth]

GTAV got better damage model on pre-gen consoles, which mainly caused by the lack of interior details. To make first person camera work without mesh clippings on the improved version of GTAV, they have to remove that.

[@differentbombs]

just started gta iv yesterday, have played (and finished) all the other main 3d gtas except for iv (iii, vc, sa and v), have almost 800 hours in gta v and love the driving in v but am starting to fall in love with iv’s driving. both are great. vi should strike a happy balance between the two in my opinion.

[@extremecube]

In the Xbox one version of GTA V the AI always uses blinkers when turning or preparing to turn. They are white instead of yellow though.

[@absenthurdle5666]

when he said how a semi truck accelerates on a dime. if in real life a semi was bob tail it would accelerate very fast as diesel engine have a ton of torque pretty quickly which is used to get a vehicle moving.

[@siah1264]

0:01 war... war never changes

[@testaccount-ir8hf]

Sure, but in mgs4 Old Snake says, "War has changed"

[@Erilis000]

35:30 I can't believe GTAIV is 16 years old.... that's nuts.

[@Zenjoi]

I almost solely do certain GTA 4 missions just to drive smoothly through traffic as much as I can. Especially with a mod I have on that increases car damage drastically, it can be very rewarding whether I crash violently or perfectly get through a mission without crashing. This video already covers this but I must say that the weight effects / physics interactions create a more impactful feel to players' inputs, while in GTA V the lack of makes car manuevers feel empty by comparison - btw, the way the traffic behavior works in gtaV with reading player inputs is very frustrating Also 22:31 is such a massive point, I've come back to gta iv to do self imposed cop challenges because of moments like that

[@Johnathan_The_Terrible]

"In the real world, I have to write up list of stuff I have to go to the grocery store to buy, and I have never thought to myself that realism is fun. I play games to have fun." - Gabe Newell

[@kev1593]

Good for him

[@amiramri3032]

Gta 5 driving was never meant to be realistic like in gta 4... They even say it in the gameplay trailer that the driving in this game is supposed to be fun not realistic and they deliver it... Having gta 4 driving control in this game will be pure nightmare especially los santos has alot of hill and terrain... after a few day people will begging rockstar to bring the old driving control back

[@Damian-cilr2]

Honestly i kinda disagree when it comes to the "fun" part I'd prefer if they took the handling from midnight club LA they already had,it was already fucking arcadey and in any case,in 5 its a bit too arcadey for my taste and yet,i still love need for speed most wanted (2005)

[@amiramri3032]

@@Damian-cilr2 nfs death after carbon, they should just remastered the original most wanted instead of making the 2012 version...

[@imacomputer1234]

The amount of hwy driving you have to do in V would suck with IV physics.

[@Mr.TwoFaceGuy]

I think we can get the best of Both worlds. Some of the excellent feel and physics of gta4 and some of the quality of life features of gta5 would make an amazing driving system.

[@firesonic1010]

I heard that the reason Rockstar put the roll control feature in GTA V was to adress a complaint from players in previous games, who said they didn't like the fact that the car exploded and that you could lose your car if you flipped it over.

[@thegreatwolf14]

ima just say this. GTAIV was much more fun with destruction

[@CaptainGlack]

Great video, great points. I watched until the end. An easy sub!

[@ross3695_basedhax]

love your channel also 👍

[@Reed_Peer]

More like "The Problem With Every GTA Game's Arcade Style Driving Except GTA IV" because I think only GTA IV has this unique driving style

[@FBIagentObama]

5:35 GTA 4 is actually more realistic here. Car windshields are laminated and stay together, unlike the other windows of a car, which are tempered glass and crumble into small chunks.

[@Jo-Wilbe-Dina]

Driving in GTA IV was like learning how to Rocket Jump in TF2. It was a lot of fun and required practice and skill, but I'm not surprised other people aren't able to have as much fun because of how difficult it is.

[@n05_vertigo28]

So I watched until 32:24, waited 30 minutes, had anticipation just for you to say no one is wrong?

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

I mean I can't objectively state who's wrong or right if it's opinion based. All I can do is state my case which I spent 30 minutes doing

[@WhoKnowsZombie]

I always thought GTA should just have a switch that lets you turn on or off the simulator type stuff so like it’s more realistic or not

[@doritosmaster6980]

GTA 4 physics are superior, driving cars was much more fun and interesting compared to GTA 5. I enjoyed the focus required to drive. It was a skill that you you could master and added a lot of replayability to the game just messing around and driving. Hopefully it makes a comeback in GTA 6.

[@mre695]

okay but if you wait an extra couple seconds after getting in your car in gta 4, niko will put on his seatbelt and he wont fly out the windshield

[@Johny40Se7en]

Great video. 2:10 that was very cool and thoughtful transition, fair play 🙂 GTA IV's driving gameplay is SO satisfying that I'm still returning to play the game every so often to this day just to drive around and listen to music, and mess about. The feel of everything is just spot on, especially the mass and deformation of the vehicles. It really complimented a game which has so many other elements that are wonderfully thought out and executed. Truly makes for one incredibly engaging experience overall, and why it'll always stay with me. We're all looking for that special someone. GTA IV is one of them because it's brimming and oozing with depth and character 😊🥰

[@Rabbit-o-witz]

I like both driving. They both accomplish what they are meant to do according to each game

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

Oh look at you with your logic

[@AverageAlien]

Yeah in general kids just jump on the GTA 4 bandwagon these days, even though at the time, GTA 4 was always considered to be an inferior game to all other GTA titles.

[@TheBloopers30]

@@AverageAlien Bandwagon this and bandwagon that. Couldn't the exact same thing be said for how some people didn't like IV back then as well? No because such argument is impossible/very hard to actually confirm and is usually used as an anti-argument to avoid having to argue facts and/or other peoples opinions.

[@ross3695_basedhax]

@@TheBloopers30 Can confirm I liked 4 as much as SA when it came out. And I don't see many kids playing GTA 4 ever wtf is that guy even on about

[@DedAlexFive]

Well, if GTAV driving's objective was to feel like trash, they succeded.

[@anshulsingh8326]

Something in between GTA 4 and 5. I won't mind if they give 3 Options. Like GTA 4, mid, like gta 5. They can still have stunt racing where admin can choose what physics everyone should have

[@ethanrandall3005]

I don't think physics should be an option. The game should have consistent physics and damage models. However, the option I have yet to see people mention is vehicle modifications. That's one of the main points in GTA V. Vehicle customization. GTA V did it wrong though by not giving much for options and instead there were just objectively better modifications. Instead, id suggest lots of modification options but all with tradeoffs. Roll cage increases damage resistance and reduces player damage taken in crashes, but also adds a lot of weight. Tires should affect how the vehicle handles on different terrain. Vehicle pitch can already be controlled in-air in real life by accelerating/decelerating to a limited degree, but active aero and compressed air nozzles could give realistic-ish methods of controlling a vehicles attitude in-air. If GTA VI gives everyone options with tradeoffs instead of just better options, it would be a lot more interesting. As is, instead of every vehicle in GTA V having a use, 90% of the time, all you need is the oppressor mk 2.

[@anshulsingh8326]

@@ethanrandall3005 Well it's similar to what I said. In stunt racing they can only allow cars with such modifications. Or normally they have some suspension types that users could change through modification. Still the same what you and I said, but just added the modification word now.

[@Chastity_Belt]

Uuuh, car glass actually is very realistic in GTA 4 and MORE realistic than GTA 5. Windshield glass made differently than door and rear glass. Car door glass is meant to be shattered because of safety reasons, when windshield glass is exact opposite of that. It is laminated multilayer glass which must windstand a lot of damage remaining in place and shatter as little as possible. And IRL it's almost impossible to shatter windshield like you show it in comparison at 5:40. Layer of plastic laminate prevent glass from acting like that. It will crack, but not shatter. And real life footages you shows exactly about that - it's always rear or side windows which made to be easily breakable in order to make a safe exit possible from a car in case of door lock.

[@IndoGunsnGear]

he literally shows footage from REAL LIFE to prove his point

[@alladeen2k]

In GTA4 if you hold the button to get in the vehicle and wait a second Niko will put his seatbelt on, preventing you from flying out the weirldshield, if you took off in a hurry he doesn't put the seatbelt on.

[@DROK278]

Fun Fact: hold down the "enter car" button when getting into a car in GTA 4 and Niko won't fly out the windshield. Alliteratively hold it when getting out and Niko will shut the car off. Try it!

[@leonkenedy4616]

It could be tone down a bit but GTA IV driving system is the best imo.

[@bearabletable7527]

sorry but GTA IV driving is driving me nuts. lol I perfer arcade. MAFIA 's choice is the best tho as people can choose which one as he/she likes.

[@crashblaine42]

As a Need For Speed player and a Forza player, I’m relatively good at controlling both, it just depends on what I want on a specific day

[@Liger_Soba]

This. Sometimes I’d like to play AC to drive on the edge of what’s possible in sim racing, and sometimes I’d to play need for speed unbound to unrealistically wreak cops and make turns that shouldn’t ever be possible. For me too it’s all a matter of what I’m feeling for the day.

[@Utonian21]

I love the way cars handle im GTA 4. They feel like they actually got some weight to them, and when you crash it's extra satisfying

[@jiglesmackle4081]

The suspension sway when going forward and back is because you are basically always full throttling those moves from your inputs. So its actually realistic in GTA IV

[@HolyGuacamole311]

Getting chased by police, to me, was more thrilling in 4, because you have more limited space to work with, and you better be good at driving, or else you’re not getting too far.

[@Spidoc]

idk what some ppl are talking about, the suspension in gta 4 IS a lil overkill

[@dudemp4]

yeah it really is

[@RSGCProductions]

Nah

[@uhohitsatrap9989]

For the vehicle time period it is actually extremely accurate

[@dudemp4]

@@uhohitsatrap9989 if the game took place in the 50s

[@uhohitsatrap9989]

@@dudemp4 Not even the game takes place in 08 but most of the cars are pre 2000s. If you actually paid attention to the way the cars handled you would actually understand.

[@mutedsqueakerHD]

I think we all know what they’re gonna choose to do, arcade style everything with paywalls and subscription requirements. Someone needs to make a GTA competitor, all we want is another fun realistic GTA with a dark but funny story, and ONE CHARACTER. GTA4 would be the perfect game if it had as many activities and jobs as current GTA Online. After you finish the story in 4 you have nothing to do to make more money and nothing to spend it on if you did, but I still get on that game just to run around fist fighting Russians in hove beach and getting in shoot outs with the cops until I eventually have to retreat to a stolen car and swingset glitch myself the heck out of there

[@jakeoff7885]

i love gta 4s physics way more but gta5s setting just does not work with the same so the way it does it is just as good it just depends on where the game is set