The Definitive Problem With GTA: The Defective Edition

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The Grand Theft Auto Trilogy: The Definitive Edition is bad. Here’s why:
0:00 Intro
4:38 Rockstar Posts Update
6:12 First Update
6:25 Remaster VS Remake
9:50 Strauss Zelnick Is A Hypocrite
11:03 Art Style
13:31 Character Models
14:31 World
16:21 AI Upscale
17:30 Asset pop in
18:00 LODs
19:16 Lighting
19:51 Cars
20:19 Models
20:49 User Interface
21:42 GAMEPLAY
22:06 Music
22:41 Bugs / Bad Code
24:07 Modders
25:14 Nitpick
25:57 Game Launch
26:44 Outro
Edited and created by Ocean

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[@kbx2.]

Ok

[@SidEditz0590]

Hi!

[@slyceth]

If you can buy me a friend?

[@slyceth]

i AT LEAST! expect new voice acting

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

@@RulerGluer is it? It's a free to play, so I expect it to have some kind of way to make money. GTA online costs money to buy, then they tack on charges for cheesy futuristic stuff that ruins the GTA universe.

[@NeedForMadnessAuto]

*"Number one is outsourcing, You paid a private company to do your dirty work for ya, and then you underpaid that company because you thought you were big enough and bad enough that you didn't have to play by the rules!" - Michael De Santa*

[@galacticdirt2925]

It’s crazy how rockstar predicted they’re self

[@AlexRodriguez0407]

@@galacticdirt2925 now it's no longer The Simpsons, it's GTA Remember San Andreas? "I got caught up in the money, the power" - number 7 with extra dip man

[@StuartLugsden]

Whats funny is that Devin Weston is a parody of Strauss Zelnick.

[@Sharicite]

@@StuartLugsden Dan Houser must've knew all along that fucker would be the ruination for R*

[@Yuti640]

Wow, they called their own future

[@finlaymcsporran3578]

Rockstars downfall from making great gta games to now scummy cash grabs is heartbreaking. It's good to see some members of the community calling them out for it.

[@ToadyEN]

Pretty sure most of the community are calling out Rockstar & t2

[@lunerdytrenlal3]

The definitive edition is worse than those copy and paste gta games I saw on roblox like 5 years ago

[@psicopaticduck]

(Im sorry but i had to) *SSSSCOTLAND*

[@degamegang8262]

@@ToadyEN yeah they just don't care what you tell them they just ignore the community

[@thestrong2401]

It's the success of Gta 5 and its online that corrupted them. The same people that complain about how Rockstar is now, are sadly still playing gta online making sure that Rockstar doesn't have to do anything regarding the gta series but release an online update every now and then while people still buys shark cards playing gta online. The fans are part of the problem. I don't play gta online from 2014 now. I never cared much for it. If everyone had done the same we would have had gta 6 already...

[@donglegs]

Denise’ face is hilarious every time. Her face went from semi photo-realistic with highlights in the right places, to a freaky clay model

[@boydj777]

She turned into crazy frog lmao

[@RonnieRonnie3697]

Ice Age 2002 lookin characters

[@goatlps]

Plus her shirt is a different colour in the cutscene (which no longer has #KillingInTheName playing when it goes bad).

[@trystan3130]

I thought smeagle from lotr to begin with for some reason

[@CST1992]

I find the "defective edition" Denise to be more like a blown-up balloon than a model, clay or not.

[@TheDogSix]

"Wargaming doesn't insult gamers" is something that only someone who doesn't play their game would say.

[@ububububububububub1667]

yeah I think he can't insult them because of the ad lol

[@antoniomaldonado8876]

Rockstar: Please don't threaten our staff Also Rockstar: Threatens modders trying to fix their own game with lawsuits

[@TheRealEncy]

They Don't Want You To Threaten Their Staff, They Want To Do It By Them Self.

[@joskjj3625]

Rockstar isn’t threatening modders it’s take two interactive that’s doing this

[@CopiousDoinksLLC]

I think I would have to agree with Dark Space about not blaming Grove Street Games though - I liken the situation to the hiring of a drunk as a bus driver who ends up crashing and injuring a bunch of people. Yes, he's a scumbag for doing it but the real blame should go to the employers who didn't bother to do any of the relevant legwork in terms of making sure he was fit for the job in the first place. I do think GSG are obviously sneaky jerks for renaming themselves after their terrible mobile ports, though. They clearly knew that they had a bad reputation.

[@Alecxace]

@@joskjj3625 Rockstar personally went after the folks who tired to create modded dedicated servers (for more mods) for GTA 5 Online. So nah. fuck them too

[@benquirobiequiratman4646]

Yup for sure modders got Patentual to do the game wriightouse I play V. ONLINE WGAT GETS ME BAD parenting with kuds playing A adult Rated game not for kids onli e PSN is about money they dont want guys to play & have fun its just money makeing Most developers don TV care about Quality its just money & hipicrits runing The Game & grabing the money even sports is like that just about money no quality just Greed gamers just spend money then screw in azz yes in the azz then all w ed can do is point the finger when thats politicaly true

[@TheDirtyShaman]

I'm starting to think that all 4000 developers working for Rockstar are simply there to somehow make the Social Club Launcher work.

[@Nico-qx1zx]

Actually I think they outsourced that to a group of 7 chimpanzees.

[@emiliosr2978]

Lmao

[@udhamshi]

And still fail

[@snakejones464]

And it still doesn't work. Legit I have to use vpn to play GTA 4 to connect to their shitty game laucher. GTA 4 game with no online component and yet they forced me to ke social club account. I wouldn't complain about social club if only their game launcher work properly.

[@JPX64Channel]

@@snakejones464 imagine needing internet to PLAY AN OFFLINE GAME (ok gta 4 once had online, not anymore) that's why i pirated all gta's before 5.

[@duffinthemuffin5792]

If mods are a necessary part of the game that is when it is done poorly. If mods are an optional thing to enhance the experience but the original experience can be played perfectly that is a game well done.

[@notusingmyname2634]

i mean kotor 2 though but thats kind of an exception

[@reddead0514]

Ehem Fallout games by bethesda....

[@slyaspie4934]

They could've saved so much time, money, credibility and respect if instead of threatening and destroying the mods and modding community, they worked with and used their talent, everything that's been modernised has already been done better by modders. I hope this costs them for how they've been treating the community as a whole for so long

[@YoMamaBih]

Don't worry guys, they'll just rename their company to *Liberty City Games.*

[@funnyfella8198]

Man I can't wait for GTA 4 expanded and enhanced edition!!!!!!!

[@zanasltu4458]

or vice city games lol

[@Miltypooh2001]

I can't wait for them to change it to Leone family games or purple nines games

[@Bruh-zp5pv]

more like Big Smoke Games because they sold Grove Street's legacy

[@Miltypooh2001]

@@Bruh-zp5pv true xD

[@krenzzie7290]

Rockstar has become the very monster of modern capitalism and consumerism that the series has been mocking for years...

[@brendan5235]

Wow you make a great point

[@SithLordC3P0]

Takes one to know one...

[@anihilisticmisanthrope]

@@SithLordC3P0 more like IT takes two to know two

[@rrrrr6478]

@@anihilisticmisanthrope brooo

[@impracticality2312]

@@anihilisticmisanthrope that's deep man Hits right to the feels 😢

[@Vooman]

25:23 It's nice to know Rockstar made CJ the first main GTA protagonist that can swim. It helps balance out the fact that the first thing you do as him is steal a bike.

[@TwoNumbahNiens]

based rockstar

[@axesata]

I was so saddened by the state of those games. I grew up with Vice City and San Andreas and was so hyped to play them again. I saw the graphics and decided to download Vice City and play the original version.

[@stephen3293]

The funny thing is that not only does this video have more care and thought gone into it than the "definitive" edition, but every single one of this guy's videos probably took more time and effort than this abomination. It's depressing seeing how much the greatest video game developer ever has went down the road of EA :(

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

Thank you for saying that about my videos. 🙂

[@NIezdrowo21]

even ea is not that bad they make sometimes at least ok games like need for speed heat it's much better than shitty remaster for 60 $

[@StuartLugsden]

@@NIezdrowo21 Andrew Wilson is an arsehole, a disgusting human being and a corporate monster but at least he leaves modders alone, makes sure his company communicates with the fanbase and puts out many games. Those are 3 things that give him a slight advantage when in competition with Strauss Zelnick in how not to treat a fanbase.

[@pieppy6058]

I mean grove street games put in a hell of a lot of effort in here, given the scope of the changes in the game, it’s just that all 3 games here look like they are a fifth of the way through development because of the insane scope of the games here maybe a 100 person studio could have got out a functioning product

[@pieppy6058]

@@StuartLugsden rockstar is going to make profit off previous games until their reputation is in the floor, then release gta6 and then rinse and repeat for the next 20 years

[@lydierayn]

The problem isn't even about grove street games. The problem is rockstar turning into the company it parodied 7-15 years ago. They turned the most sold pc game and entertainment entity ever a cash cow. They gave up on the principles that made them different. It breaks my heart to see Rockstar turn into another Corporate giant that ignores the bases it was founded on

[@JizzyF83]

Those guys working for the company now are not the same people that brought the original GTA Trilogy

[@moisesezequielgutierrez]

@@JizzyF83 Yes because game companies nowadays are now been run by Business Mans, not passionate true gamers anymore.

[@saddamhussein2]

@@moisesezequielgutierrez at this point the gaming industry is just going to sh!t bc some business men know they can market off of gaming since its so large now and they dont care about their customers they just want profit.i just want to go back to like 2000s and early 2010s where gaming companies actually cared about their games and their fan base

[@fusingghost8186]

if we are the base and foundation of rockstar and take two why dont we let the building drop and crumble to a million pieces because right now thats all they deserve after gta online read dead online and now the trilogy DEFECTIVEedition

[@EarthboundX]

I've had the same thought about Rockstar for a while now, even before this. They have become what they've parodied.

[@Concon12316]

fun fact: in san andreas, if you drink enough soda cans, you can corrupt your save because the soda cans don't despawn and there's a hard limit to the amount of objects in the map

[@aboredgamertt8534]

This actually solves if you run aways far enough from the point, but it will corrupt your save because of auto save feature

[@TDFAL]

Rockstar: our dev teams are getting harassed and it is never OK to do this. Also Rockstar: harasses and threatens every modder that is fixing their game for them.

[@Nathan-Croft]

This game doesn't deserve a so well edited review like this

[@padrepiomotociclista8315]

I agree, but this had to be done

[@nabri-nfg3262]

Deja vu for a Valencia fan huh

[@kose5699]

@@nabri-nfg3262 ?

[@nabri-nfg3262]

@@kose5699 the Valencia owner treats the club like trash, leeching the club of its money and stuff

[@kose5699]

@@nabri-nfg3262 ah ok tanks for explaining

[@vicecityrocks1]

Seriously, removing cinematic mode was the icing on the shit cake for me. When I first played GTA3 as a kid it was my favorite feature. It made the game look like a movie, it was the coolest shit ever. Clearly it was a very important aspect of these games to Rockstar because it’s been included and improved upon in every GTA game since and even made more robust in RDR2. To have left that out of the definitive edition really is just a fat middle finger wearing a fools gold ring of laziness. This had to be the easiest feature possible to include

[@silentmaniac3626]

Its a bloody mobile port .

[@Synthwavu]

@@silentmaniac3626 Surprisingly those only exist in the mobile versions of GTA 3 and Vice City. They probably used San Andreas as their blueprint since it doesn't include that feature.

[@nothinbutlulz]

Cinematic mode is back as of today’s update

[@SpiffoGaming]

@@nothinbutlulz wooooooo

[@vicecityrocks1]

@@nothinbutlulz they must’ve been drunk over at grove street games

[@AlexGTAgamer]

I was very cautious of the so say "Definitive" edition before it released.... and my caution was justified. Seeing how the games were butchered made me dust down my PS2 and get back into playing the OG games once again.

[@zCREz]

Kinda hilarious that gta SA on Ps2 still has *the undeniably best* atmosphere out of every remaster they made... maybe even out of every GTA theyve made! (ok it might be unfair to compare the games, since SA has multiple environments with at least 3 different climates etc..)

[@blitroi]

Bro I regret not buying the original SA on my PlayStation before they fucking d listed the originals

[@zCREz]

@@blitroi damn.. yeah there are so many ppl missing out on these masterpieces due to some incredibly stupid decisions from rockstar...

[@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920]

The silly thing is, they could have done each game individually, taken their time, hired a better third party and charged $60 for each of the three games. Fans would have payed it for a good remake and been satisfied.

[@adamplatenik]

So true! They would only have to use half the resources and get paid double. This was a huge opportunity for Rockstar to drown in money and appeal to old and new fans.

[@corporateshill3225]

@@adamplatenik Not really that huge opportunity as it wouldn't made as much money as GTA V/Online. They did this just for fans and people don't give them any respect.

[@someone0]

@@corporateshill3225 theh did it for money realize that already

[@corporateshill3225]

@@someone0 Nope they did it for fans as Rockstar gets enough money from GTA Online.

[@MYNAMACHEF]

@@corporateshill3225 >did it for fans >took down og versions of games from steam and took down mods as well And your argument is that they did it for fans because.... what? Just because people love these games? You've completely missed the point of the video

[@Glocky131]

"You know who doesn't insult their customers with broken products? Wargaming" Funniest joke of the century.

[@RosieJonesRules]

*laughs in Finecast*

[@apophisstr6719]

@@RosieJonesRules When he said that line I literally spit my coffee LOL.

[@10yearsinthejoint363]

Of course this guy praise them to make a Quick bread

[@TFIta369]

@@nax4448 I don't remember because I don't care to play that tank game, hehehe.

[@resla2916]

Yeah, I almost choked on my lunch when he said that

[@davisthegamelord]

Programmers went through the games files and found that they didn't use the original game as the base for the remaster, they used the mobile version, so they took a game that was a shitty/compressed/downgraded mobile port of a game then tried to make it for PCs and consoles

[@marvelgoh5648]

Remember, pirating old GTA games is always morally correct.

[@Fondoofus5542]

Or find Steam keys online

[@P0ly558]

"This American greed takes everyone. It is like a disease." - Mikhail Faustin

[@cardenasr.2898]

Rockstar games is like Dimitri Raskalov then, sells and betrays the people that trust him

[@P0ly558]

@@cardenasr.2898 *insert gta 4 sad piano theme*

[@tihs402]

@@P0ly558 I got you bro kzbin.info/www/bejne/poHMfWh8Za5orqc

[@ludwig4762]

It will be a matter of time before the American people snap from all this corporate greed and go full himmler and taboritsky and turn America in to a wasteland

[@gentle285]

@@tihs402 This is awesome! Thank you for sharing this!

[@Jpik72]

This is a company who had integrity, and really cared for what they put out. What happened? How depressing.

[@vantablack6288]

corporate greed

[@futureshaman83]

Chill bruh

[@B7R8]

*What happened. ?* *I'll tell you what happened.* *They got rich and they need more...*

[@GAMIR_SFM]

The people who built these original games left. Now is just incompitent people

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

@Benny Blanco from the Bronx yeah and we'll blame Take Two for Mafia Definitive Edition too right?

[@ZombieTeube]

What is the background music at 01:00 ??? It's beautiful I NEED IT

[@travisgames6608]

The problem isn't the low number of employees. The problem is their skill set and laziness.

[@zoso1980]

And, that R*/T2 took the tactic they've been known to take before which is, 'throw it out there, we'll fix it later.' That's how little respect T2/R* has for gamers. People just need to stop buying anything from these profiteers.

[@travisgames6608]

@@zoso1980 true. That's been the tactic for the last 8-10yrs at this point. Despite the player base demanding a finished game with fewer bugs. Games will have bugs, the least they could do is minimize them.

[@InheritedPowerG8]

“Vice City is not Vice City without Billie Jean” I felt that one in my soul.

[@jairoherrera4040]

They are too greedy to be spending money to buy back those songs or its incomplete.

[@alexties6933]

The mindblowing thing to me is that Rockstart could just have bought those improved textures from Modders they instead sued.

[@letitburnforever2122]

If they weren't so greedy they couldve held like so sort of modders competition to see who had the best skills and paid them to make the game. Grove street games seem like a bunch of lazy fucks that dont know what they're doing.

[@inzanity490]

Or just hire the modders.

[@letitburnforever2122]

@@inzanity490 exactly

[@danielaponte4054]

@@inzanity490 Hiring modders make their corporate appeal look bad, and that scares investors

[@AstarionWifey]

@@danielaponte4054 how so?

[@tearfullittledietgirl3753]

saying the character models look like sims is being way too nice

[@NeedForMadnessAuto]

Why Certain Uploads Are Not Available? For Example This 27:57 Where You Featured DarkViperAU

[@AlryFireBlade]

"Imagine releasing a New version, that is so bad, you have to rerelease the original Versions to minimize the Damage" This is brillantly said xD

[@xEricGNx]

"Mafia: Definitive Edition" has to be the best example of a "Definitive" game in this generation.

[@trollege9488]

How about the walking dead the definitive edition

[@soccreyes4647]

I agree. Gameplay is good compared to the OG Mafia with that god awful difficult car race.

[@GoKrazyTV]

@@soccreyes4647 the race was sooo easy

[@thanatosvorigan4986]

@@GoKrazyTV On easy or normal difficulties it is. Try playing that race on Classic difficulty.

[@thanatosvorigan4986]

To be fair, Mafia 2 Definitive Edition wasn't good. However it was better than this shit. I'd rather be playing Cyberpunk since at least that game is stupid fun.

[@omarw9206]

They lost my respect after I realized how much their "free" dlc cost and how much insentive they added to buy shark cards....then Dan Houser left. Rockstar won't see any of my coin until they change direction. Plenty of other games I love playing

[@xxevnxxe]

When Cyberpunk had a lot of launch issues, CD Projekt Red is responding better than Rockstar's

[@AstarionWifey]

Sad but true

[@Joseph-kj1ok]

Imagine your most successful game is the one thing that ruins your company.

[@HOTD108_]

One thing? Are you for real? Rockstar's done way more unforgivable things than "one thing". Literally look into anything they've done over the past 7-8 years.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

@@HOTD108_ damn

[@AnekoGT]

@@HOTD108_ one thing? Just ONE THING? bro look at everything they did with gta and red dead online too, it's not just one thing.

[@AnekoGT]

@Kasish Gukaan rdo in release had basically nothing to do, the game was buggy as fuck, the gold bars thing is stupid and are boring af to get because you get almost nothing after every mission (when the mission give them). The thing is that they tried to do with rdo the same they do with gtao, but they are completely different games and of course it didn't worked, mostly because gta is a game in the "present" world, and rdo is in old west.

[@AnekoGT]

@Kasish Gukaan exactly

[@S.A.700]

The most effective way to make Rockstar and T2 actually open their eyes is to stop purchasing their games. The last game I bought from them was RDR2, and I intend to keep it that way until some semblance of quality control is restored. Everyone should do such.

[@StuartLugsden]

RDR2 is the last time we'll see that Rockstar magic.

[@dragonkingf3]

Hey guess what, I didn't buy this game most people didn't buy this game but a lot of people did buy this game. You tell us to vote with their wallets, but the problem is it's not our wallets that matter. It's the wallets of everyone else that we can't convince that matter. We are no longer rockstars target audience, we are willing to stop spending money on their products as such we are not the ones that they want to appeal to.

[@yfbb1]

same

[@zainabosama97]

Yeah me too

[@jairoherrera4040]

I still had to debate with idiots who still play gta o lately. They aren't true fans and don't see the errors of their ways

[@ChrisYoungGunn]

What's the music used at the beginning of the video?

[@ds_lyst05]

"You know who doesn't insult it's customers with broken products? Wargaming" Lmfaoooooo greatest joke I've heard today

[@Qoushik]

If this doesn't make Rockstar feel a little shame about their stance on the world, I don't know what will. Even I feel ashamed for the community as part of the community.

[@quandaledingle7812]

Rockstar aren't competent game developers anymore anything they add to red dead or gta is so basic or just broken I don't know how they're gonna make gta 6

[@dadrunkcanadianlive440]

At this rate, we might see even worse from them.

[@aymnbenalia8585]

They act blind on purpose. They don't want to be distracted by the customers for keeping track on the money journey .

[@quandaledingle7812]

Aymn Benalia I'm hoping this definitive edition mess will give them a kick up the ass and they'll speed up gta 6 development. I mean almost definitely not but a man can dream

[@SomeAustrianGuy_]

Man, all I can say is: *"How the mighty have fallen."* Seriously, at this point, I don't even want a GTA 4 remastered. I want to remember my favourite GTA as the masterpiece that it is, not as some quick cashgrab.

[@Kratosx23]

Hopefully the stream of backlash to this will make them put a lot more time and care into a GTA 4 remaster (which they absolutely will do), because now everyone has their guard up and won't buy it before they know that the remaster is actually good. On another note, it's great to see someone else acknowledge GTA IV as their favourite. It's my favourite as well. GTA IV gets way too much hate for some reason I'm not entirely sure of.

[@10yearsinthejoint363]

GTA 4 needs a Remaster

[@SpiffoGaming]

@@Kratosx23 i think peoples main problems are driving and the brown filter. I can understand the brown but I think the driving is great. It really feels like your driving a heavy hunt of metal

[@diabolicfish4424]

@@10yearsinthejoint363 only if they can do it right lmao

[@nocturnaliism]

@@Kratosx23 GTA 4 is amazing

[@HELLF1RE9]

You are one of the most underrated youtubers. The videos are so high quality, they should have millions of views. Hope you get big on this platform because my god you deserve it

[@jordanparker5992]

What do the soundtrack called? 0:01

[@callmedoc6294]

strange how many people said that the original artstyles were "cartoony" and the definitive edition fits with the old art styles i've always seen them as realistic looking games that were limited by the era of tech they were in and NOT cartoonish

[@felipeviana1994]

I think GTA V is there to prove that an upgrade to visuals will always be a good thing.

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

I never saw them as cartoony. They tried to make the models realistic with what little hardware they had.

[@enzoofelba]

Despite everyone's hype, I had a hard time buying into "reflects the old art styles" marketing when all the character models look like Sims. People should demand more than this for their money

[@wayfaringstranger8430]

You're 10,000% right, and these guys either didn't know that, or didn't have the resources to properly update the graphics. Which would beg the question as to why they did it anyway. But at this point, we already know why...

[@KumiesCummies]

I think III is the only 3D Universe game that could be argued as being “stylized/cartoony”. Vice City and especially San Andreas were just limited by the technology of the time. Deciding to make the whole trilogy this plastic mush was a dumb move.

[@robtz759]

You know Rockstar fell beneath the bottom of the outhouse when their "remastered" trilogy got a lower score than Extreme Paintbrawl.

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

@@FlopFan69 I didn't jump on a hate train. You perceive a "hate train" because the majority of people see garbage for what it is, garbage. This video explains why it's garbage.

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

@@FlopFan69 The game crashes all the time. Bugs are prominent. Character models look freaky. Lighting is too dark to see what's going on. Do any of these aspects bother you?

[@W4leed.]

This guy is a R* employee lmao I'm ded

[@vxnc8536]

@@FlopFan69 🤡

[@robtz759]

@@FlopFan69 Alright, we got it! You love the remasters for some reason and that's the end of your argument. You don't need to write a whole page about it

[@joelserrano4808]

9:26 My favorite part “they sold us a college project for 60 dollars”

[@sarmatiancougar7556]

Good point. Games in the early 2000s were not cartoony at all. They looked like real life, but in a super low resolution, like movies filmed on a very bad camera. But these days it’s totally different. They have all those 4K textures and lighting and what have you but the art design is just all wrong. I mean, the friggin GTA V without mods looks less photorealistic than the original GTA SA release.

[@swapnilgohil7280]

@@arthurvice503 It's because GTA games were open world. They were one of the best looking open world games. Open world games take more resources then linear games

[@Jsipki265]

@@swapnilgohil7280 ehh i think your caught up in nostalgia, atmosphere definitely, but BEST LOOKING nah I can think of a few that looked better

[@ketaminepoptarts]

there isnt really any art design anymore, its just a race to see who can recreate reality first

[@apophisstr6719]

"You know who doesn't insult its customers with broken products? Wargaming!" *OOF*

[@TruFalco]

It's a funny joke.

[@aleksanderkysiak9540]

It's better if you skip the sponsor entirely, at 2:46. "You know who doesn't insult its customers with broken products? *Rockstar!"*

[@BigWheel.]

Wargaming has their own unique set of problems. WOT has been broken for over a year now.

[@xhell247x7]

Exactly

[@DeadBeat124]

Saying the character models in the definitive edition look like sims 4 is an insult to sims 4. I wish they looked that good lol

[@AjabuDaGreat]

Mane I cant save in game nomore so I have to rely on autosave after missions then when i try to load in the game crashes

[@therobotfish6038]

12:00 hey hit and run is still better then definitive

[@ToastyMann]

Here's my prediction: Rockstar's holiday hit this year was supposed to be GTA 5's new ports for Series X and PS5. But since that got delayed to next year Rockstar needed fast money now, so they got GSG to whip up a quick money maker in a few months. Why do you think this was announced a month before release? Why do you think they never did a gameplay showcase like Rockstar normally does for their games? Why do you think they purposefully kept the marketing secretive and only showed mostly cutscenes in the trailer? Rockstar damn well knew this was going to be a Trainwreck and did nothing about it. They have the backing of Take 2 Interactive and can afford a controversy. They could've delayed this too, they obviously can handle a delay with GTA 5 Next gen. Rockstar had the opportunity to make big bucks handed to them on a silver platter, and they threw it all away. It's an absolute shame how far this publisher has gone downhill.

[@meremix]

thing is, they probably already planned gta 5 to be delayed and surely they couldve let gsg have more time making these remasters if that was the case

[@markjacobs1086]

If they wanted quick money, they could've just Definitive Editioned only GTA III, might've been a smoother train crash if they did 😆

[@lucasw.4282]

@@meremix this has been in development for 2+ years so the announcement has little if anything to do with GTA5 other than what season they wanted to release. 2 years to make THIS, what would be the point of an extra year? they are not equipped to handle this task in the first place.

[@meremix]

@@lucasw.4282 damn i didnt know this, but then again once i heard gsg which was formerly war drum studios was working on this i knew it just wouldnt be good lol

[@silentmaniac3626]

They are already fucking rich

[@J.C.H.]

"You're on the verge of losing everyone's respect" I doubt they give a shit about that. Great and informative video as always.

[@oldcet5277]

why would they care about their reputation when they can keep milking gta online

[@superstar64]

@@oldcet5277 Because GTA Online will eventually die, and then what will they do? The game's reputation isn't great due to it's toxic community, constant hackings, and garbage practices when it comes to making money in the game. Many people don't want to play the game anymore, and eventually nobody will want to play anymore. That's why Rockstar needs to start caring.

[@watermalone5782]

@@superstar64 no competition so not dying soon, its why there are millions playing this shit even though its peer to peer online, tons of modders, constant errors with launcher, etc. there is no game that matches gta online in terms of freedom and fun.

[@gamewriteeye769]

So the worst thing about all of this is not actually the games themselves. The worst part is they failed the mission. No Respect +!

[@QuizzicalTest]

@@superstar64 Some guy on meth was so toxic on gta online that he leaked his god damn ip address. HIS LOCATION, to some black guy he was arguing with. gta online will go down and i can tell

[@30THMAN.]

24:35 did u catch the main problem here ? Is there all only available for PC!

[@awii.neocities]

So why don't they match the quality for consoles? If a modded PS4 running Linux does better than a remaster, it's a shit remaster.

[@30THMAN.]

yeah xd@@awii.neocities

[@neet2013]

Thinking literal billionares sat down to watch your friend's video and decided "yeah let's ruin our name over this random on the internet" is quite cute and funny from you

[@alextealdi3098]

This. This is the video I hope someone at Rockstar sees. I didn't realize how sloppy this remaster was until realizing that all the lighting features and shaders are baked-in to Unreal Engine. Shocking honestly.

[@luichinplaystation610]

Oh they see it, only they choose to ignore it and going their own way

[@AlryFireBlade]

yeah that's the thing... The DE looks awesome until you take a closer look and go into details, then it shatters harder than a Smartphone dropped from a High Building.

[@minignoux4566]

@@AlryFireBlade That's a good analogy. The remasters are newer, like an iPhone while the original are old, like a Nokia that don't shatter

[@schizobaeley_fbi]

Brilliant video. I'm just sad that Grand Theft Auto, the game series which completely satirizes modern capitalism, became the same monster it was mocking.

[@mellochello921]

"you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" - Harvey Dent

[@finlaymcdiarmid5832]

Well its was mocking the monsters of capitalism not just modern capitalism in general because then you would be including jamal who owns a shoe shop in iraq and barely makes more than his employees.

[@bobogus7559]

17:19 It's not just "AR GUITARS" - every single bit of text in that frame appears to contain at least one typo. Look a bit to the left and you'll find "GUITARHENK BOOTHS AVAIABLE" (the first L missing from "available"). Above that is "Screamin Colins Guitars" (no apostrophe in Screamin' or Colin's). Meanwhile, to the right is "TENERIFEA $299." A quick Google search of that word autocorrects to the island of Tenerife (without the "a"), which is famous for being the site the deadliest airplane accident in history. I'd be astonished if I could buy an entire island for $300, but I can't find anything else that word is supposed to mean.

[@andrew_edwards]

17:21 not only is 'air guitars' misspelled but the word available in the sign next to it is misspelled as "AVAIABLE'

[@ChrisYoungGunn]

This is actually the second final nail in the coffin; the first one was gta online

[@lenol0315]

First was ✡️Strauss zenlick✡️

[@StuartLugsden]

This is actually the third nail; the second was the death of Red Dead Online

[@energydragon1147]

FACTS 💯💯

[@_Majki_2137]

First nail was gta 5 trailer back in 2011

[@wisico640]

Is there anything in rdr2 online? I bought it for like 2.50$ just to test it out & never was able to understand my purpose or the goal 😂

[@TazzeOptical]

The sad fact is that people harass developers because they're normal people who are easy to track down and harass, I'm sure people would much rather harass CEOs, but they have someone else managing all their social media and there's nothing you can do to get to them, the only thing you can do is create a backlash in social media and hope management panics, but many of them have realized that backlash doesn't last all that long and people have short attention spans.

[@RSAgility]

CEO has power, these harassers are pussies too scared to take on people with actual power to come after them...

[@NB-ir1me]

The only thing small people can do is raise hell enough to worry investors. That it. Nothing else people can do that matters, the only way to make change is to get the investors attention

[@lxreneisimarr1977]

Bulshhitt I'm still mad

[@ketaminepoptarts]

most people were probably throwing their insults at grove street games twitter account, not individual devs

[@goatlps]

@@ketaminepoptarts and we should probably pity GSG's staff - apparently just 21 of them - imagine remaking all 3 games, 7 people each!

[@jfwfreo]

If you want to see what I consider the best example of how to do a remaster, go look at the Command & Conquer remaster. Every piece of art remade from scratch in higher definition. Audio properly remastered (and in some cases re-recorded). Music handled by the original composer and suitably redone. Top community members involved in the development process. Large chunks of the original game code used in the remaster to ensure things are as accurate as possible when it comes to gameplay. Bugs in that code (and elsewhere) identified and fixed. Not to mention the epic level of mod support this game has (including releasing all that original game code they were bolting onto the newer engine as open source).

[@schluckauff]

completely unnecessary critique: I wouldn't've chosen RE3 Remake at 3:53 because its predecessor RE2 Remake is critically much more acclaimed (I'd say genuinely perfect) whereas RE3 Remake has some flaws, especially in regard to how faithful it is to its original

[@massmanpro]

The fog in the original San Andreas was also intentional because back in the 90's smog was a real issue in Cali. Even the radio stations in the game mentioned the smog from time to time. Removing it made no sense at all and killed a partial story line/characteristic of the in game world.

[@VexAcer]

Not to mention even in real life areas with clear skies still have some atmospheric haze in the distance. It's natural. Upping the draw distance isn't necessarily bad, but making it look so empty was. Even GTA V has some fog & smog in air and it's for a reason.

[@pritapp788]

They no longer care about realism, one needs to go no further than GTA V to notice that.

[@swapnilgohil7280]

@@pritapp788 Go play rdr 2 kid

[@Panzermeiller]

@@swapnilgohil7280 nah he right, gta V and online doesn't make any sense

[@sparechainge]

@@pritapp788 dawg what?! Play red dead 2. I guarantee gta 6 will be even better too

[@Mark_Lou]

Funny thing is,R* bought Ruffian Games and Renamed them to Rockstar Dundee.These pals had worked on Unreal Engine before and had experience.You'd think R* would use them or at least use them to help Grove Street games with the game but....nope! Instead we are still waiting what they'll do with them.

[@alexzandate5807]

Wait didn't Ruffian Games make Crackdown 2? So if they had experience, why in the hell did Rockstar use a mobile game developer?

[@Mark_Lou]

@@alexzandate5807 No damn idea.They probably had the mentality ''oh we had them work before they will probably not mess things up again''.

[@GiovanniBR1234]

@@alexzandate5807 Cheaper labour, more profit

[@fenn_fren]

There's also Rockstar Leeds, which goes unused. They worked on Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories.

[@crashbandicoot5636]

It's funny to me that GTA V was released when I was entering my freshman year in High School. Now in 2022, approaching a decade of GTA V, I'm about to graduate from college and yet they only ever released RDR 2 and that's it. People and companies do change...

[@sebyypopescu8061]

I know this is unrelated but what game is at 14:54? It looks amazing

[@scoshrimp1671]

I think it's Half-life : Aylx

[@dustixo]

This “game” broke many hearts of many veteran GTA players, they wanted a remaster of their beautiful childhood and Rockstar instead gave them a heaping pile of trash. They even gave the job to a company that had FAILED many times to port old GTA games. Rockstar just wants cash, that isn’t the Rockstar many veterans knew back then. Everything went to shit when Dan Houser left. Ever since now, Strauss Zelnick is a embarrassment to us fans. Rockstar isn’t what it used to be, a hard working game company that made so many good games.

[@merkcityboy834]

Hopefully they'll get it right next especially with all the negative feed back they're getting..

[@ThexDynastxQueen]

It's crazy to me that a company built itself up to basically being able to live comfortably for generations off 1 game (GTAV/Online) thinks it can now just do below the bare minimum and get rewarded handsomely. Why ruin your rep to get a little more money you clearly don't even need nor are fully using?! It's so dumb!

[@Thesquareandweird]

Honestly, everything went to shit when they shitcanned leslie benzies. Not when houser left.

[@lili11.11]

I think this should be considered scam-like behavior and I would loveeee to see lawsuits!

[@lili11.11]

Cause it's gettin old....

[@nigglefiggle]

A perfect 10-minute slice for every game in this precisely 30 minute long video. Excellent work as usual, Dark Space! - Subscriber since early last year.

[@AlluringPegasu13]

Bruh no it's all mixed up lol

[@FootLettuce]

17:09 actually the first Smartphone was ironically released in 1992, same year as the events of SA (you can google that). Nonetheless the first ever smartphone in 1992 looks nothing like in these posters they import from V

[@trippyvick059]

too expensive for the wider market thou at that time

[@MeadeJ67]

Sure & it doesn't even compare to what we have now, it's an extremely simple device.

[@JoelBwali]

Name of song at 4:10 please

[@_Devil]

"You know who doesnt insult their customers with broken products? A developer that insults their customers with broken products!" Listen man, this is a good video and all, but that sponsor was absolutely atrocious. Its obvious that youve never played World Of Tanks before and its obvious that you know nothing about the developers and their history with the game. Please never accept a sponsorship from them again.

[@porkhop2177]

Lmao that's what i thought

[@SpiffoGaming]

compared to his previous sponsor this was a total shock to the system

[@AleTitan]

I understand that people need to make money, but that transition alone can take away his credibility in this video.

[@KptKosmit91]

@keithsze001 one is realistic suffering, the other is arcade suffering

[@_Devil]

@keithsze001 War Thunder is just as bad, but slightly less bad. War Thunder players will literally break national security laws and release classified intelligence and blueprints for planes and tanks that the War Thunder devs get wrong. (LOOK IT UP LMAO ITS ALL TRUE)

[@MrStonedraider]

"You know who doesn't insult their customers with broken products, wargaming" good one, almost had me there

[@sarunotaslt]

i actually laughed when i heard it

[@JustAdude291]

Very well said. The atrocious cartoony models in the "definitive" editions throw me into an unstoppable blind rage. In all seriousness though, I'm genuinely disgusted. Btw, what is the game at 14:50?

[@Nibgames]

Sorry to reply to a year old comment, but I was looking for the same game and apparently it's CoD: Vanguard!

[@alexanaya8954]

13:32 these pics go hard feel free to screenrecord.

[@redson543]

i REALLY wish we could've called this triology: a masterpiece, much better than original, a true remaster but unfortunately, it's worse than cyberpunk

[@britishwordplay4335]

Waaaaaaay worse. This is a trilogy almost two decades old. CP2077 was a fresh new IP and chance at something fresh. Rockstar have billions n let TakeTwo put out a mobile port calling Definitive Edition

[@rlmsucksimakebettervideost8129]

cyberjunk*

[@grimes558]

@@rlmsucksimakebettervideost8129 overusedtrashjoke*

[@megakarlachofficial]

@@britishwordplay4335 CP2077 was bad at launch, and so bad, but its actually redeeming itself with updates, 1.5 actually improving it alot and fixing most bug, while Defective Edition, is still abysmal, even the updates itself, is half-good, and half-bad (1.3 patch was known for corrupting all save files which affected mine 2 times when i updated to it)

[@justinsmith5395]

I laughed when you put Rockstar behind EA but not Activision

[@ReiCaixa]

That was so fricking funny

[@alungwilliams1]

all 3 are tied last for me.

[@assmannewzealand]

The weather is a big part of these games The blue skies in San Andreas, the warm nights in Vice city and the rainy streets in III just make them so good to play

[@caiorezei]

"Imagine releasing a remaster that's so bad... That you have to offer the original versions back to customers to minimize damage." BOOM! NOW THAT'S A MIC DROP, HOLY SHIT

[@caiorezei]

That sentence literally made me subscribe instantly.

[@senorlechuga8832]

It pisses me off so badly when people say "what did you expect they're remasters, not remakes" What I expected was less load screens, better gameplay, qol updates and something that feels better than the originals, and makes me think "hey this is way better than the originals, even with mods"

[@inzanity490]

The remaster excuse is only valid against people who actually expected a total GTA 5 style remake of the trilogy. But using it to excuse the bugs and graphical/texture/model/art style issues is wrong. This game could've ended up better than this while still being a mere remaster.

[@Dead4911]

The things you listed, that you expected, are never present in remasters, what you get in a remaster, is the original game with upscaled textures, which is what you get in the definitive edition.

[@senorlechuga8832]

@@Dead4911 I'm pretty sure remasters also get a couple QOL updates and rebinded controls so you don't have to break your hand playing it again

[@Dead4911]

@@senorlechuga8832 Gta trilogy has rebinded controls and a few quality of life updates, so I don't get why you're complaining about it, it's seemingly exactly what you wanted.

[@senorlechuga8832]

@@Dead4911 Yes but it's buggy as fuck and looks worse than a 20 year old game, so I better just play the old games with a couple patches and mods

[@blakegriplingph]

As for Zelnick, since he does admit he has no experience developing video games, he is in absolutely no business running a video game company. Compare and contrast this to Christian von Koenigsegg who started out building his own supercar prototype and is still in some ways directly involved in the production of them cars. Koenigsegg knows his trade well and he isn't shy to say it; Zelnick is greedy enough to ignore all concerns against his company.

[@StuartLugsden]

Even if Strauss Zelnick is removed from his position he'll just get replaced by another scummy drain dead suit.

[@blakegriplingph]

@@StuartLugsden I don't expect a radical, positive change from them, the way things are going. But this is clearly insulting regardless.

[@StuartLugsden]

Zelnick is a crook in a suit who dose what he dose for personal financial profit not because he cares about people. The man needs to be remove, banned from the video game industry and jailed.

[@lamatakbertemu8197]

I love when Mr. Koenigsegg reveal another new ideas. My favorite is the Koenigsegg Jesko with different approach of transmission.

[@SkipTheKip]

The Jesko's crazy transmission, the Gemera's 3 cylinder pushing 600hp, Koenigsegg is on a roll ever since they debuted the CCX

[@th3rm4l__]

Yo what is the game from 14:48 called?

[@x-treme_gamer]

Call of Duty: Vanguard

[@th3rm4l__]

@@x-treme_gamer Thanks dud

[@lasarousi]

"you know who doesn't disrespect their customers? World of tanks" I've never laughed so hard this week, yeah, no disrespect with premium ammunition and pay to win boosters hahaha

[@Duskets]

What an outstanding and detailed critique. It's telling that I've put about 5 hours into the “Definitive Edition” of San Andreas before going back to play my downgraded PC version of San Andreas and immediately had a much, much better time. Even at the low, low price of free via XBGP -- SA:DE *still* isn't worth your time.

[@ldmun]

I pirated the games and still wanted my money back

[@r3dsnow757]

@@ldmun same but worse , i want it to be erased from existence.

[@Duskets]

@dictatorofneptune Bro honestly, it’s the best deal in gaming rn. Especially since you can literally get a one-month voucher for $1 and play Halo Infinite once it comes out. I mainly use my Xbox as a backwards compatibility machine but it’s a killer value for the price

[@zeapsin186]

Wdym? I had no issues in my first 5 hours (and no I'm not just saying that to be a rockstar fanboy)

[@iyankov96]

Would you say that the Steam version of GTA San Andreas is more enjoyable than the Definitive Edition Rockstar released recently ? I don't follow gaming news that much but seeing the release made me want to re-play the game so I would like to know if getting the Definitive is worth doing. Thanks!

[@ashenzenden]

I'd rather spend the time required to play the definitive edition by watching dark space videos than actually playing the def edition. This should be embarrassing for rockstar. Such a disrespect.

[@yfbb1]

same

[@nachiketpargaonkar8646]

Beautiful script, man...the pain of a fan of the original series can be felt palpably!

[@user-jj5rn5di3s]

You shine an interesting light on this topic, and it led me to wonder... I think Take-Two knew EXACTLY who they we're employing for the job. As much as it is in essence a workforce issue, you have to ask yourself if this would even of been a thing if morally competent individuals still held important roles in the gaming landscape. I believe the quality loss of games can be quantified and attributed to corporate corruption and greed.

[@TrialzGTAS]

If Rockstar was smart, they would hire the modders.

[@aronblanche]

Even CDPR hired the modders to fix cyberpunk. So apparently cdpr better than Rockstar at the moment

[@mark030a]

@@aronblanche CDPR wasn't even that bad looking back now. I mean, sure, they fucked up Cyberpunk but at least they had something original going for it and they're actually a pretty good company with what I'd say is a quite decent game library, especially with Witcher 3. Now, compare this studio to Rockstar, who outsourced the remaster of their GTA Trilogy, one of their most influential games, you start to see a problem.

[@auxityne]

"You know who doesn't insult their players with broken products? Wargaming." That is the funniest fucking thing I've heard today. As a closed beta tester for both World of Tanks and World of Warships, I cannot begin to describe how hilariously wrong that is.

[@ApolloVictoria44]

man's gotta get that bread

[@samuelbarbosad.964]

I've been playing world of tanks since 2017, till I got sick of the game, and insulting the players with broken products it's what they do best and most.

[@jaffacalling53]

@@ApolloVictoria44 Lol he could have chosen a better line though.

[@gamewriteeye769]

So the worst thing about all of this is not actually the games themselves. The worst part is they failed the mission. No Respect +!

[@LollyTheScunt]

Fucking lol. I know he doesn’t make content on Wargaming stuff, but he should’ve looked into them before partnering with them. There is so much broken shit in both games that wargaming doesn’t bother to fix. The Puerto Rico nightmare, the CC Exodus, Subs, and now fucking Supercarriers. And this is only World of Warships.

[@JagiUGG]

The shot at 28:45 is honestly heartbreaking. What a world we live in.

[@OfficialRyanFouracre]

Either blame the pandemic or embrace the pandemic, it's not gonna change everything.

[@E55666]

@@OfficialRyanFouracre plandemic*

[@vrabo3026]

Meanwhile at Rockstar: "Boss, you won't believe what's happening to our reputation!! People are openly mocking us!!" "Is it affecting our profits?" "Well no, but our name is bec-" "lol then why are you paying attention to it?"

[@patrick7799]

this grand theft auto trilogy definitive edition is not a poorly crafted game this grand theft auto trilogy definitive edition is perfectly designed to ruin everyone’s day

[@lamatakbertemu8197]

Maybe that's the idea all along.

[@bandpromo2577]

The war on fun

[@damstardunc7060]

@@bandpromo2577 😂 but true

[@39PSIOnTheDaily]

Dan Houser is sitting in a corner somewhere, laughing his ass off.

[@kevinbarbeau]

Or crying in disappointment…

[@10yearsinthejoint363]

No he is Crying that C* ruined his Master class games

[@britishwordplay4335]

He's fuming, his babies getting butchered

[@patrickbyrne5070]

@@britishwordplay4335 And even R* devs that worked so hard on 5 and RDR must be pissed off af ... theres still hard working talented people there and this shts all over them too.

[@Chick2106]

Sam Houser are turning worse

[@JoseRodriguez-un2kc]

It's like Walter White once said, a better high means Customers pay more. Rockstar should have put in the effort to truly remake the games.

[@ZelaumTheHunter]

8:54 spyro wasn´t remastered it was remade just to make a pointment. Even though activision saying is a remaster is definetly a remake for having a reprogramation, reriggin, remodeling and even a different art dirrection from the og spyro.

[@Dabadi4834]

50 years later….. GTA: CHINATOWN WARS EXPANDED AND ENHANCED DEFINITIVE EDITION (Comes with free copy of GTAV)

[@lenol0315]

Lmao

[@radicaldude4797]

Lol😂😂

[@hei7846]

Chinatown is still a banger game

[@Dabadi4834]

Still better than definitive edition

[@radicaldude4797]

@@hei7846 it is Chinatown is an all time rockstar classic but this comment was funny lmao

[@Dark6997]

Just something for people who want to go right away to saying this is all TakeTwo's fault and defend Rockstar. First TakeTwo is a holding company so how much influence they have is purely speculative. Some holding companies are very involved in the operations of their subsidiaries others are basically hands off. We have no idea how much they involve themselves or how demanding they actually are. Secondly TakeTwo has been around since GTA2. You're telling me that TakeTwo has either over that time become corrupted or started to show their true colors yet Rockstar themselves the actual publisher is the same innocent company they've always been? That just seems ridiculous to think Rockstar is still the same and it's all just mean old TakeTwo's fault.

[@StuartLugsden]

Take 2 has been around since the very beginning in fact they created Rockstar Games.

[@Dark6997]

@@StuartLugsden You're right but I'm talking about the first game that was made under them. The first GTA was made under BMG and then TakeTwo bought the assets and made Rockstar Games.

[@cristianlopez_8486]

@@Dark6997 I think it's fair to say that the beginning of the end for Rockstar was Grand Theft Auto V, specifically the online mode's monetary success. That was the best/worst thing to happen to the studio. Not only did it lead to a eight year drought of games (GTAV, RDR2, GTA Definitive), but several long-time members that were crucial contributors to many of their best titles either were fired (Leslie Benzies) or left Rockstar (Dan Houser and Lazlow Jones).

[@sgt-wd]

Look at the mafia remake, it's also technically by take 2. The problem is rockstar

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

@@sgt-wd exactly 2K games is owned by Take Two, while they have the scummy garbage in their NBA titles they've left Mafia alone

[@grubfilms9043]

I honestly feel really bad for Grove Street Games. They were just in so over their heads. How were they even tasked with such a monumental project in the first place, like seriously, who thought it'd be a good idea.