Train Sim World Review (CSX Heavy Haul)

[@Andophonic]

Locomotive exhaust still goes right through solid objects. This is something Microsoft Train Simulator got right ten fucking years ago.

[@DoselH]

Andophonic Why did microsoft sell Flight sim :(

[@The2KCzech]

And still now Microsoft sucks as other companies. :) TS from MS died, never wanted to sell it to actual developer that could get the game done... Why? Because Microsoft also sell only shit & shit & shit. Microsoft is same, nothing changed. I agree with the smoke tho.

[@esrefgarol8423]

David Pimponderssanandmadmaster well actually should I tell you something YOU FUCKING MORON MICROSOFT DIDNT MAKE MTS NIVIDIA DID YOU FUCK FACE

[@d0cktor523]

That was 11 months ago, I play the game now and its great! they are addin gthe northeast corridor soon.

[@HarbardWild]

I love these simulators. Always been fascinated with trains

[@LegionOfEclaires]

Looks pretty promising. I'm excited to see what new routes and locos they add. I'd enjoy seeing a passenger train introduced. Thanks for the review!

[@MattChaffe]

I understand if people complain if they don't have a strong enough PC to run this game, but just get it for the Xbox One when that is available. This sim is amazing and it's such an improvement!

[@peterray7523]

Thanks for the comprehensive review, Squirrel! This is now on my radar!

[@farmerbob1678]

The system requirements seem somewhat high to play this sim, I know they are shooting for ultimate realism and graphics but the requirements are going to cut out a large portion of the market as not everybody can afford or have the means to build a rig that can cope with the requirements (myself included in this market bracket) but other than that it looks fantastic and would love to get a fair bash at it someday, hope they will bring it out in disk package as well and not only keep it on steam

[@bagnome]

I understand they plan to release it on the Xbox One.

[@doobasaurus]

Xbox 1? It will fry if it runs 30 fps on a 1080

[@bagnome]

BenTheArmy Those words came out of one of the developer's mouths.

[@danielshakesheff682]

later in the year

[@doobasaurus]

The graphics may gave to be hugely decreased.

[@admiredabove8746]

Great Video Paul! It's amazing to see you get better and better through out the years.

[@yerolo]

Thankyou for the upload Paul. Cannot wait for you to produce more TSW content over the coming weeks :)

[@ericdian6058]

that-intro-is-DOPE ! awesome video bud.

[@BritishRail60062]

Hi Squirrel, Many thanks for the review. Having own this game myself. I also see a lot of potential with this new platform of train simulator. I think a lot of people are overlooking that its a brand new product, so there will be some bugs here and there. But once those bugs are ironed out. TSW has potential to be a good successor to TS2017. For me, the most important thing is stability and TSW does run fine on my bog standard gaming PC that only has the Intel i5 at 3.2Ghz with 8GB ram and a ASUS 2GB vRAM Nvidia GTX950 graphics card and I can get about 25-30fps on this system that I built in 2015. When I build a higher grade PC later this year for myself. That should be more suitable for TSW when it expands with more content in the future.

[@mu9617]

Definately helps with immersion when you see the same three cars all time... Also, Dovetail did say that they were hoping to release the next route in August/September and they have also hinted it will be British though that's not been confirmed. Considering it took more than two years to make I'm a touch disappointed to be honest but it is what it is and it will be interesting to see how it develops in the future.

[@ChengMcGoldstein]

Looks nice. I might give this a try in a couple of years when it's optimized.

[@NextSound170]

In game graphics settings is a must, you can see what you'll be getting. It's all very good, but hopefully they push on with the optimisation, as that's all I'm hearing from a lot of people.

[@JamesAtLarge]

I don't know why all the hate comments train sim world is awesome I'm looking forward to playing it you can't beat the graphics it's 10 times better then train sim 2017

[@ariton2990]

the hate comments because of how terribly the game is optimized.

[@Adventurist]

30fps on a 1080 is not acceptable. That's just horrible optimization which becomes more obvious once you turn down the settings. That game should easily run at 100+ fps on low with a 1080, hell it shouldn't even drop below 60 on ultra.

[@ConductorDon]

Having been a long time railworks player, and always hating the lack of realism and interaction with the controls, I think this game is very promising. The models are beautiful and the fact that nearly every single switch is operational is very impressive to me. I also love having to get out of the train to throw switches, and uncouple cars. If there was one thing in this regard I could think they could add, it would be having to also hook and unhook the air hoses when coupling and if the player forgot to do so, it would affect the braking performance. I think this can easily become the premier train sim out there as long as they continue to add in more locomotives, cars, and routes. As far as locos go, the ES44AH, AC6000CW, and SD-40-3 rebuilds are on my wishlist for the game. Overall a two thumbs up from me and a great buy IMO for anyone who loves trains or playing simulation games.

[@generalgeldenhuys7175]

Dammit, this game is CPU bottlenecked! How unoptimised! We have 8-core processors now, and yet games like this will only use less than 30% of them. What a waste.

[@TrainSimUSA]

Uses 70 percent here on an i5 4690k

[@ssn2186]

Stop being stupid. Distributing workloads between multiple cores is extremely difficult and error prone. No game uses 8 cores efficiently. Try and name one. You only see that in benchmarks.

[@aidenblake3080]

GeneralGeldenhuys no one cares

[@KuvDabGib]

Actually most of customers do, now go and hide behind the skirt of DTG and hold their arm fanboi!

[@germanmosca]

Most customers don't give a damn, because they don't have 8 Core CPUs, and neither will they buy one anytime soon. And as SSN 21 pointed out, it is extremely difficult to distribute workloads between multiple cores.

[@iso8626]

At least some one can point out things to dovetail, without getting paid to smile

[@ConnorEtch]

Is there a type of free roam in this game like in the public beta where you was looking around that rotary station and there was a couple trains you could mess around with, with no objectives or anything? If so where would I find this and also where would I find that rotary station? Thanks.

[@growiel]

There is. You can find the "rotary" (called a turntable) at the bottom left side of the yard. Squirrel mentions it at 4:34

[@ConnorEtch]

Agh thanks always forget what it's called I skipped the video a little guess I missed that part. And I am guessing you would have to start on a service and then make your way down there?

[@TrainSimUSA]

Thanks for the review, I was hoping someone would cover this.

[@DmitriSkif]

What reason to use the UE4 and DX11 at 30 fps, if THE SAME (and even sweater) graphics can be done on Prism3D with fucking DX9.0c at 150-200 fps ?! Optimise this shit, please.

[@-Jack-]

Dovetail games (No hate intended) have no idea how to optimize games lol

[@robertpowell8309]

better graphics on DX9? stop talking out your arse mate

[@Sakaton01]

prism3d looks awful

[@doobasaurus]

Prism3D, dx 9? Yeah you must be 5 and your eyes cannot process anything above a certain level, making you think they are the same, prism3d is ugly, dont even compare it to ue4

[@DmitriSkif]

Actual result is don't even compare the perfomance of TSW and other UE4 based projects.That's the point. Graphics is not the cornerstone of any railroad simulator, but even "obsolete" TS2017 looks pretty similar at maximum settings (cause landscape looks very primitive, just look at water of forest) and works at around 120-190 fps on my workstation.

[@wearecity]

I was hoping for a UK route, but as this appears to be the same as TS, with frame drops, stuttering & general bad optimisation, I'm quite glad I have no interest in buying it. Hopefully down the line, we will see it much improved and I'll look at buying. But it's Dovetail, so I don't hold out much hope.

[@tin2001]

Can you use a throttle quadrant (or other joysticks, etc) in this? I always hated that I couldn't use mine for TS without hacky external tools.

[@Nikola16789]

No. You cannot even rebind keyboard controls.

[@tin2001]

Nikola16789 Sigh. It's like MSTS was the peak of train simulation.... That's sad.

[@elliottlewandowski6115]

Frame rate notwithstanding, I am enjoying this game so very much. It is such a step up for train sims.

[@erwincummings1993]

Great overview!! The best I have seen!!

[@adamw1944]

Excellent Review, very detailed. Salute !

[@JustinCastleberry117]

Whether you like getting 30 fps or not, this is on the Unreal Engine. All of the tech demos done on the UE 4 have framerates well above 60, and this is getting less than 40 most of the time. This is obviously because of poor optimization, period. Dovetail has never worked with a sophisticated engine such as this, so of course it's not optimized properly yet. Only time will tell if they will keep learning the full potential of the Unreal Engine and come back and improve the optimization. It's still very early and there is time for them to improve on this, however, it should have been optimized before they released it, because we all know that the beta had low framerates too, but that was more forgiving being a beta test and all. All-in-all, this does look rather promising, as long as the optimization improves.

[@JustinCastleberry117]

So if this is a simulator, wouldn't you expect 60fps? But what if I told you that I get more fps in a game called Train Simulator 2017. So please elaborate on why a simulator cannot achieve 60fps. What's wrong with optimizing the framerate? There are lag spikes and rendering issues.

[@JustinCastleberry117]

Then they should've used UE 3 then lol.

[@JustinCastleberry117]

Also, I forgot to ask why a game called Train Simulator 2017 is an arcade game to you when it really is supposed to be a simulator, and is called a simulator. Let's not get worked up here man, I'm totally cool. And I'm just having a discussion.

[@ivanfojan8859]

Dovetail released Euro Fishing over a year ago, using UE4 :) That had loads of problems, some of which still haven't been addressed!! :)

[@bleakbody6610]

Justin Castleberry they did fix a little of the fps so hopefully I wont have to keep everything on low

[@66lwmorgan]

I pre-ordered it now where do I find the code to enter so I can download it?

[@amiibo7063]

you don't, it should just be in your library

[@66lwmorgan]

It is in the library but grayed out. Nothing in the email either. That's where I thought I would find the info to.

[@amiibo7063]

greyed out 'cuz it's not out yet. it releases in about 40 minutes. Squirrel is playing it 'cuz he got a review copy

[@66lwmorgan]

Thank you very much for your help.

[@signmanbob3834]

Very good review. I am loving Heavy Haul.

[@marklister9646]

I hope they will add European trains and routes in the future.

[@mu9617]

Mark Lister They have hinted but not confirmed that the next route will be British.

[@RumblerGaming]

I hope it's not a fucking DLC simulator... but so far It looks like it's going to be that way.

+boski It's Dovetail, of course it will be. Their model is to build platforms to then release lots of DLC.

[@-Jack-]

Im hoping for London underground route this time around :D

[@NotMattch]

Here's hoping, would be interesting to see some passenger routes as well

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

I was waiting for this video; thank you! The quality seems much improved, I especially like the timetable feature. Performance is terrible, and I assume it will suffer from a similar plethora of DLCs like TS did before.

[@sgtdebones]

I hope they raise the lights on crossing guards so they look more realistic. I also want a full Los Angeles Metro route. Blue Line, Expo Line, or the Gold Line would do + the return of Metrolink from TS2015

[@Matias-lo8wp]

Thank you for this comprehensive review

[@sweagboi]

would you recommend this over TS2018? My birthdays coming up and I'm going to buy this or TS2018 but I'm pretty tied between them

[@erikk77]

I definitely would like to see the Stevens Pass Route made for Train Sim World! G-Trax has done an excellent job in modeling this route for Train Simulator. Let's do the same for Train Sim World!

[@ConnerOnGames]

will be buying this tomorow this game is hoping for me to be a brilliant game and really looking forward to playing it and hoping to see more videos from the game

[@erikhansen1053]

what about the dlc's from TS 2017 are they just useless or do we get to use our routes and train? (ofc in the future) + what about the multiplayer? i guess it just comes later, but will that also cost money?

[@karlbjarn6506]

Erik Hansen As far as I know, the DLC will not transfer over as this is a completely new game and not part of the normal "Train Simulator" series. As for the multiplayer, it should be coming in the future, hopefully at no extra cost.

[@erikhansen1053]

Thanks

[@TheAdamRides]

Can you make an automatic brake application and bail off the independent? So that brakes on the cars remain applied, but the brakes on the locomotives are released. Also, is there visible slack action when starting up and slowing down? And do the pressure gauges in the cab give actual realistic readings? Unlike in TS 2016/17 where the minimum application you can make on most units is a whopping 20psi, and the train stops on a dime. Extremely unrealistic

[@virtual_knight]

very imformative review thanks paul

[@DogeCharger]

30 FPS on a GTX 1080? Even Witcher 3 runs better at ultra and with Hairworks.

[@renovatiovr]

This game is much more complicated than Witcher 3 in terms of calculations required for realistic simulation. Rendering hair is simpler than performing high level math every second. Finally, Witcher 3 is not even open world.

[@clangswordsman4968]

@@renovatiovr Witcher 3 is open world... Not to mention racing simulators run better than this and they take just as many calculations.

[@julianruggiero9701]

As a very casual train sim fan, I think I'll check this out, however I'll definitely be waiting for some patches. It's clearly not well optimized, and it needs much more content for the money. Unfortunately, I think any additional content it gets will be in the form of ludicrously expensive DLC, as is the Dovetail way... Oh well. Maybe we'll get some awesome mods of tracks and locos. I would love that.

[@raybond6047]

Squirrel..nice review. Thanks, form the US.

[@MarylandAreaRailfan]

Excellent review!

[@torbenschrder6700]

Thanks for the discount :D - Much appreciated

[@FreeRoamingHumans]

Holy moly! Fred runs quicker than Usain Bolt

[@chrislonghurst]

Did you run the beta? Is this fps better than the beta for you? I couple barely scrape 9fps in the beta on ultra with a GTX1070 running a quad core with 32Gb of memory. I'm extremely nervous about paying for this given how abominable the fps was in the beta.

[@squirrel]

+Chris Longhurst what you see in this video is the release candidate built 48hrs before release

[@chrislonghurst]

Squirrel but did you also run the beta? I'm trying to find out if they made and improvement from the beta to the release. The majority of reviews and comments would seem to indicate that they didn't. I'm concerned because my rig is able to run pretty much every UE4 game at 60fps maxed out but the TSW beta couldn't reach 10fps. So I just want to know on your machine did you see an improvement from the beta?

[@Lovesomechicken]

Chris Longhurst have you not watched the other videos?

[@chrislonghurst]

I've watched a few but nobody seems to be talking about the differences between the beta and release. That's what I'm interested in because on my rig the beta was unplayable (where almost all other UE4 based games run at 60fps without issue). It was only using one of the four cores and only using about 15% GPU utilization. Most UE4 games run on all four cores with about 60% GPU utilization on my rig.

[@DevoldoinHD]

Thanks for the 20% off! Definitely worth it at that price (with the current content I don't believe it is worth $39.99) cheers!

[@MrDumptyTheDeadman]

Is that supposed to be Rockwood, Tennessee?

[@MrSmithwayne]

are you using the same system to record as well as play the game?

[@BigTex9752]

So should I get CSX Heavy Haul or no

[@johan.ohgren]

what program do you use to measure FPS in-game?

[@amiibo7063]

it's built in the game, press F3 or something

[@Toaster844]

what is the activation key for train sim world csx heavy haul? Because I cant download it

[@tutomukimuraisw11k]

Micah Whitley download? It is an paid PC games. purchase in Steam.

[@Toaster844]

I need the activation key

[@ninus17]

will you upload more my summer car or have you stopped playing it ?

[@RyanP1991]

He has practically done everything so is waiting for new content to drop

[@ninus17]

Ryan Paton ok thanks :)

[@squirrel]

+the silent farmer I have two more episodes coming over the next few days

[@ninus17]

awsome thanks :)

[@tonforr]

Good review, thanks!

[@Fatal155]

This game looks really good :) Thanks squirrel :)

[@ltelias4215]

now if only dovetail games makes a truck sim game >back up and hook the lines >lift or drop landing gears manually >lock cargo in place >close trailer doors and tie in seal

[@ivanfojan8859]

Run at 15fps...............

[@kingnfs1]

By the 2025, I want ETS3,ATS2,ECS looked like this. Cmon SCS up your game man!

[@mitch8973]

Is there any chance of you playing more transport fever? It was my favourite series of yours and I found the game very interesting.

[@VRacing]

Ya I love it so far. Only thing I wish they would add or have is a good tutorial on signalling. Never been good at remembering what means what other then basic signals.

[@MarceloBrizuelaWPG]

In my humble opinion TSW marks a before and after in the world of simulations. SCS Software (for example) have a lot things to learn and copy from Dovetail.

[@adamw1944]

How you look out the cab window, I don't find the desired key . Thanks.

[@jedihoshua581]

id appreciate it if id get a response to this: Could i run this game? my processor is an i7 so it can run more than low settings, but my graphics card is only a gtx 640. the weird thing is, i can run battlefield 1 on medium to high settings pretty well, and since this game requires LESS than battlefield, would i be able to run this game?

[@jedihoshua581]

Ulrik i was just comparing the specs, seeing as i shouldn't be able to play a lot of games, but I can.

[@jedihoshua581]

I figured id wait until they optimize it better ha

[@nerdMike]

Is there a demo for this sim?

[@SilverGreen93]

Does it support passenger trains? Or only freight?

[@travismoore317]

I just got this game an it won't work for me it goes on to sim an I try to play one of the scenarios an it turning off it not loading on to the game it not working right I'm not sure what to do if u could help me that would be great cuz I really would like to u the SIM an play it

[@Neonwolf-jy2gv]

Will you be doing a series on this game

[@andrewwilson5631]

So can you play this and get 15+ FPS on low quality mode if you have a standard Mac, with no hardware?

[@MegaMultiMoe]

Can you use raildriver to control the locomotive

[@patteyh]

Probably.

[@smeagolplaysgames4517]

MegaMultiMoe Not yet, apparently.

[@mu9617]

MegaMultiMoe Their still working on it

[@francef16]

As far as i can tell, the biggest danger right now is the lack of variety. A new route and new trains are welcome.

[@TrainScott]

May I suggest Run8? The gameplay is really good in Run8, the graphics aren't as detailed but it's not about great graphics but good physics.

[@Pandonaut]

When I start the game my camera is looking at some railroad tracks from ground level and I cant do anything, how do I fix this? Can't choose scenario or train either*

[@CallSignCosmic]

Is V-Sync supposed to be on?

[@CallSignCosmic]

Ulrik so then could that be a reason why it was like that?

[@GtaMoviesGuy]

Nope, Vsync caps your framerate to equal the refresh rate of your monitor to prevent screen tearing, therefore, Squirrel's 60 Hz monitor would cap the framerate to 60 but 40-50 FPS is just about the most he managed to obtain.

[@CallSignCosmic]

Weird...

[@GtaMoviesGuy]

It's just piss poor optimization on Dovetail's part, something everyone's accustomed to by this point.

[@thegeforce6625]

As a railfan, i honestly* dont give two shits about graphics, i only really care about great physics and good optimisation so that it runs well on a majority of high-ish specced PC's and laptops. *if the game looks as good as their previous simulators i'm perfectly fine with that.

[@NOVARailandWeatherEnthusiast]

The GeForce I care about those things as well as graphics tbh lol

[@The101Point1]

is this an addon or a full game if full game very small

[@mihaplevel]

hey do you need to buy train sim world and heavy haul or you can buy just heavy houl?

[@arvindmahajan4045]

2:16 he's name is jeff If you what i mean squirrel.Hahahaha

[@LeoOnealProductions]

that intro is sick man

[@IGrizzllyGuy]

Just remember that TSW is still in development and DTG is working hard in this.

[@Adam-in3wv]

when is it going to be released, time?

[@MrAcedelux]

It is on steam right now

[@Adam-in3wv]

Billy Zambidis ik it's on Steam I pre-ordered it on 3 march, but it's not released yet meaning i cant download it to play it

[@ikarlhd1]

1500hrs gmt

[@Adam-in3wv]

***** thanks

[@TrainzDr3ver]

Services looks cool, that's what I missed in ealier TS games, besides the scenarios, it was kind of boring if you wanted some more driving on the routes

[@kylehill3643]

I'm more of a (thinker) rather then a feeler who likes flashy stuff and me and my friend who has 100s of steam games and DLC's both agree this is WAY too expensive for the little amount of content. I am NOT asking this to be free as a lot of simulator fans will try to put false words in people's mouths who criticize. I just ask for a decent starting price maybe have the price go up if more content is put into it. Generally it should probably be $30.00 as an initial price and subject to rise as more stuff is added/fixed. DLC's should NEVER cost 2/3rds of the price of a full game UNLESS it's an expansion that dramatically changes mechanics. Sort of like going from Sim City 4 vanilla to Rush Hour which you almost can't live without it. Or going frrom Sim City 3000 to 3000 Unlimited/World Edition UK. THOSE actually change game mechanics almost making it a new game. If Sim City 4 (Maxis/EA) charged for city building maps the prices CSX does for it's train routes there would be massive outrage even if it's done really well it wouldn't really change the gameplay just provide aesthetic details only. Many fans would've dumped Maxis almost overnight.

[@Logan912]

If you want a good simulator for US railroading that goes beyond what Train Simulator 2017/RailWorks is capable of then don't even bother with Train Sim World. Run 8 V2 is MUCH better in almost every way except graphics (which isn't too much of a concern if realistic train operations are the primary focus,) and even Open Rails with MSTS content is often better.

[@niksu847]

Thanks for the review Paul, it covered all the things I wanted to know. Sadly the game performance looks to be a big issue since this game has a lot of potential. Probably waiting more videos from you and then deciding if it's worth 30 euros. Also not looking forward to buy tons of DLC like in previous train sims..

[@insekt8623]

so they will add more stuff progressively?

[@squirrel]

+InsektifyingAniket I'm sure they will. They're talking about multiplayer later this year for a start. The idea of this platform is to build on top of it with core features plus DLC from DTG and third parties

Oh yes they will... Expect them to release thousands of dollars worth of DLC for the same game for the next 4 or 5 years and re-releasing the base game every year with a new main menu.

[@70mavgr]

I'm going to wait till more locomotives and tracks are added before picking this up. Also, playing on Windowed Full-screen, if i saw correct, does hinder your fps.

[@Spiritwonder420]

Tomaras Theodoros yes it dos but most of us run on 2 screens and it should not be running on 30 on his system

[@squirrel]

+Tomaras Theodoros i tried it full screen as well and it made no difference at all

[@Icecoldgaming-vlogs]

why it not downloading when its released today ?

[@amiibo7063]

it releases in 30 minutes

[@Icecoldgaming-vlogs]

arne cambier ow even when says today date so thought after midnight

[@amiibo7063]

nope, they said it's 5 pm GMT, so it is today, but in 20 minutes

[@Andrew_Edwards122]

can you build your own route and stuff in this one?

[@iplaybose]

dose it run better than the beta ?

[@beausuveas6869]

How do I start the game in a cold and dark startup?

[@ltaproductions7989]

cdn.edgecast.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/530070/manuals/Operator_Manual_EN.pdf?t=1489684294 Above I linked to the manual, it goes through detailed procedures.

[@mistered5326]

Turn up the heat and turn on the lights. Not sure beyond that, but at least you'll be more comfortable.

[@kinocchio]

Second Man is responsible for tea/coffee.

[@SilverGreen93]

I think this is not meant to be a replacement for TS2017, it's another product line.

[@squirrel]

+Mihai Vasiliu it's their next generation train sim, as I said. It is a replacement as they will eventually phase out train sim in favour of this

[@SilverGreen93]

That's weird, CSX doesn't have a built-in route editor yet. Maybe in the future. Also it needs support for older Railworks content if it is indeed a replacement.

[@LouieJengaMusic]

Hoe do i play this game? Do i really need to buy the 2009 Train simulatot and then spend 30 euros on this dlc play this game this way?

[@Deathborn2048]

Really cool Review! Is it possible to create own scenarios/timetables? I loved that feature from the previous ts.

[@Big.G5137]

Can anybody tell me what kind of system I need if I won't to run every thing on high

[@tehangrybird345]

How did you get CSX heavy haul

[@AAron-fc2kn]

planning on buying it.......after my new processer comes in.

[@hellfiregamingger]

Is it Modding-friendly?

[@KgothatsoMoagi]

When can I download this game

[@MellowYe77ow]

On Steam.

[@ironsheik2127]

He said when not where

[@MellowYe77ow]

You can download it now. It released on the 16th.

[@christopherbrown5338]

How do you bring up frame rate?

[@udrescumarian2073]

It is the full game or just the beta?