Dating Coach Returns To Confront Destiny On Israel

[@LastNightDestiny]

Dating Coach Challenges Destiny On Israel Palestine (PREVIOUS DEBATE) ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXvUnaiXpK51o7c

[@FirstUsername]

you sux

[@RetreatSequel]

Alex is too ill-equipped to even be mad at Edit: Nvm the smugness with his dogshit logic sold it

[@JohnDoe-iw8je]

Destiny's outright refusal to condemn Israel for any act whatsoever ALMOST makes it seem like he is motivated solely by tiny hat interests. Poor guy, it must be getting extremely challenging for him to defend what it is obviously indefensible. He's having to resort to constantly shifting the definitions of words or claiming that any reports of incidents that don't align with his agendas must be lies. He is a complete and utter joke.

[@Cumdown]

I cant believe how badly Destiny is losing.

[@rachidhaouach4451]

Its getting pitiful to see him Still defending the narative.

[@BlaqAdam]

Somebody said “Alex looks like a capybara staring directly into a trail cam” and I’ve been laughing for 2 days straight

[@user-wn1kq8jx5q]

This made my morning lol

[@Wellcee426]

I see it😂

[@LowercaseKev]

😂😂😂 yeah I can’t unsee it now

[@Ivan_Ns]

I think alex believes that in real life there are red and green marks above soldiers and combatants heads .

[@bjuggins2342]

underrated comment

[@alonskii]

Well, according to hamas propaganda videos, IDF soldiers and vehicles do have red arrows above their head, so he's not far off

[@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen]

Lol

[@jh7589]

The idf soldier had his render distance too low. Could see player names

[@BLK03COBRA]

Alex is just a dumb civilian here.

[@jacobrebibo9217]

Destiny: what time is it? Alex: according to Occam's razor the most simple explanation would be 6 o'clock. Destiny: how about we just look at the clock. Alex: well, if you're going to play devil's advocate...

[@bigaaron]

Lmfao

[@bigaaron]

Literally what happened

[@MrSemanticprison]

Destiny: what time is it? Alex: its 6 o'clock Destiny: how do we know? Alex: i looked at the clock Destint: what if that clock is fake? What timezone is it in? What if someone slipped you LSD? What if im living in a simulation? Are these european minutes or ancient roman minutes? How do you know thats a clock? Alex - well Desitnt - wait wait wait wait wait

[@JohnDoe-iw8je]

​@@MrSemanticprisonperfectly on point. He's getting so desperate it's almost sad.

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

​​@JohnDoe-iw8je How do you evaluate information? The FIRST thing Alex said is that they were bombed. If he got that wrong then how do we know he can explain anything with accuracy????!???! ? The only thing that he got right is that someone died.

[@thegodofthegods1084]

“Alex looks like a capybara inspecting a trail cam.” -felixculpa9390

[@platosghost6916]

I'm glad someone remembered and gave props for that banger of a comment.

[@Espada1469]

Hall of fame fucking comment lol

[@MichealPacitto]

KZbin comments with Better sources then Alex

[@-ExceI]

Why did I read this as ”Chemtrail”, but it made it really funny regardless lmao

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

Bruh 😂

[@russelld2925]

"Just use some common sense" says every single person incapable of critical thinking and basic epistemology.

[@AkilanNarayanaswamy]

Alex is a perfect case study in confirmation bias. Whenever he sees information that supports his perspective, he takes it on faith. Whenever he sees information that contradicts his perspective, he doubts everything.

[@kppk2084]

Thats pretty much Destiny

[@wyred]

So like Destiny in this video?

[@macbeth642]

So destiny here then? Thats exactly him

[@bluesh0es]

You can literally go back and see Destiny’s research into this and that he doubts things that are arguing his side. SMH.

[@easy_company9225]

Show as a single example of that happening is Israel Palestine "research" case. Destiny makes up his mind BEFORE research.

[@chillbluesnake7085]

Rewatching it: it's even worse for Alex. He assumes for the whole debate that Steven objective is to defend Israel/the IDF. Steven's aim is never to defend one side over the other, his aim is to understand factually what happened, searching for the truth, and making an opinion afterwards. He never tries to obfuscate the truth, hide "evidence" contrary to his point, he just wants to understand what happened. That's why is very insulting from Alex: he takes for granted that Steven is basically a stooge for Israel, that will do anything to make his point. Thus, the confusion on "why are you making them watching a video that supports my point?" If Alex really knows Steven, this is a low blow....

[@bobbobino6859]

He literally denied what the general said about the incident and was too hard headed to take 20 seconds and rewatch that part of the video to see if he heard him correctly. Then, vietmetly defends an imaginary statement(that he either misheard or intentionally misrepresents) that he "believes" the general said (despite him saying the opposite). General's statements: "There is an investigation into those events." -cut in interview- : "Mistakes happen and we investigate every mistake" Totalogically concluding it was at least a potential mistake based on these two statements in conjuction. And yet Destiny wholesale denies even when it's a simple a + b = c thought process. He is biased and every single thing he goes over is the most charitable possible in all needed areas of assumption he will always without a doubt paint isreal as the level headed ones, even when they are shooting people moving at 1mph waving a white flag with their hands in the air from over 500 meters away. Then literally says this is how it would happen in America, aka completely obfuscating the situation, what you claimed he "never did". Id love to provide you any other examples of him doing this if you want 😇. But it'd be quicker if you just clicked on any video of him talking about Isreal to see for yourself 😇😇

[@xlurking7792]

@bobbobino6859 True. It should never matter if you’re walking into a restricted area, so long as you move slowly and wave a white flag. This clearly identifies you as a non threat, so they had no reason to stop the man. I can’t believe Destiny just wants to shill for Israel and cover up all of these horrendous and senseless targeted shootings of civilians for the purposes of killing civilians.

[@greggseamon]

@@bobbobino6859 At least you wear your blatant biases on your sleeve unlike a lot of people, respect.

[@polpol2739]

Destiny actually started as somewhat Pro-palestine as being a leftwinger, changed his mind after researching

[@bobbobino6859]

@@greggseamon such as

[@Mr_Pickles_]

Alex just lacks beyond surface level engagement. He cannot comprehend

[@aSSGoblin1488]

this is beneficial to the audience, how perception can vary from person to person. well.... so many clips of "DESTINY GETS DETROYED BY PETER JORDANSON" where the video was pretty good. no destruction

[@findict52]

To be fair, he kept saying "mistakes happen"

[@cryptocaesar8972]

Only a Destiny sycophant can watch Destiny play as dumb as possible.

[@ontheright2482]

But also if you go a few steps more to the right you might end up an anti-semite. #groyper

[@ontheright2482]

Sorry. Lol. I thought you were talking about Alex Jones there. And yes THIS Alex has a lot of different sources which are all surface material. And Alex Jones I think has his position because his fan base think Hitler was not a bad guy.

[@Kaewin5510]

This is unbelievable. Alex keeps repeating the same points even after being explained multiple times why it's wrong. He lacks the intelligence required to comprehend.

[@adamwespiser9209]

It's so frustrating to watch: he lacks the critical insight to understand the points D is making, and just repeats the same (mistaken) assertions over and over.

[@Blackmamba_yellowfit]

I think he’s just in disbelief on how far destiny will go to defend israel. He wouldn’t believe nefarious intent unless they flat out admit it on a lie detector then sign in blood and swear on their first child. Then maybe he would believe them.

[@vitalepitts]

@@Blackmamba_yellowfit alex get off your alt.

[@John-bravooo]

​@@Blackmamba_yellowfitvictim!!

[@arunsalwan8558]

Can we all at least admit this is really messed up. I have kids and I’m trying to imagine what would happen in the fog of war as I’m walking with my kids trying to get out of danger. Not all of us know every rule of war or engagement in a pressure situation. Again, whether or not this was justified or can be explained this is pretty messed up situation.

[@ernestotorelli1209]

He's just standing there. Walkingly!

[@bigaaron]

God this is so painful. Alex is not prepared for any debate let alone this one.

[@wyred]

How do you want to debate someone who is "OnLy AsKinG QuEsTioNs" Destiny is in full debate bro mode stanning Israel like he gets some kind of pay-out for every war crime he denies. He is acting like the Trump supporters who deny the insurrection he despises when it's about this conflict.

[@mofishin2648]

I can't tell if he's even intelligent enough to be bad faith or he's playing us all like a fiddle!

[@aSSGoblin1488]

rhetoric and info is on destinys side

[@0scarWalsh]

This just isn't fair. His position is probably pretty representative of the moderate pro-palestinian. He's not performing any worse than the average guy who comes on to debate the topic, and he makes an honest effort to argue on-the-ground facts, without just moralising over the same 2 morally loaded buzzwords.

[@wyred]

@@aSSGoblin1488 what infos? He is basing everything on his feelings. He has no info that proofs his side. He can call it palliwood all he wants. Doesn't change the fact that the IDF seem to be extremely trigger happy if they see anyone with a white flag.

[@gustavl3107]

Okay, so this would be a good faith interpretation of the events leading up to this video: 1) The area this was filmed in used to be considered "safe" until very recently. 2) The IDF ordered an evacuation of the area, but some 50 people did not manage to get away. 3) Distressed family members tried to go back and retrieve their loved ones from what was now a battlefield. 4) The IDF shoots at them as they cross into the "not safe zone". A tragedy to be sure. No need to jump to the conclusion that the IDF gleefully kills civilians at any chance they get, or that these civilians wanted to martyr themselves. You can skip the video now thanks.

[@Cumdown]

Yeah, the whole 'crossing battlelines' is what did it for me. I dont need anything else. Warzone: unidentified people cross over battleline: bang bang bang. Alex is unable to imagine this scenario playing out without dressing it up as Israel Wanting to shoot civilians. Also. If the police tell you to stop, and you keep coming at them; they'll shoot

[@TheFluffyKitty]

Good faith interlocutor 👍🏻

[@FUNeRaLPyR3]

I mean…. That telegraph channel that was run by IDF members kind says other wise

[@ribos2762]

yeah, and this is why combatants wear civilian clothes is a double edge sword

[@Kelvasisthebest]

I still think the cut in that video is suspicious. Standing there not doing anything, cut to them much further from the camera walking toward what I would expect to be Israeli forces. It seems like they were getting verbal warnings, ignored them, and got shot.

[@twiggmister1]

18:05 can he stop saying 'police'... its not a police force in a town. its an army force in the middle of one of the most active war zones in the world currently.. its so clear that hes trying to evaluate the situation through the standards of 'police in the usa' why the fck would you do that? its so dishonest.. thats exactly what is meant by 'framing'..

[@phillipoliverholtz9226]

He streams about picking up girls for a living.... he views this as picking up. Scary how confident ( dellusional ) he is.

[@twiggmister1]

@@phillipoliverholtz9226 yea ay, a moral agent indeed

[@adtastic1533]

Exactly. It's the reason we don't deploy the military amongst civilians.

[@twiggmister1]

@adtastic1533 well not really. if you had a situation inside a city, in the us, where civilians are acting in a terroristic militia manner. And form rather advanced coordinated attacks, and strategic fighting maneuvers designed to take down federal and state institutions, as well as engaging with direct combat against the civilians in the city or neighboring cities... you will 100% deploy the army to deal with, and handle the situation. you will not leave that for the police... police are relatively untrained.. compared to the army. especially in situations like that. I believe last time us army was deployed on us soil, was in the Rodney king riots. and I'm pretty sure the national guard was deployed on January 6th.. (obviously there are also more instances...) also the us has 100% deployed the army into civilian populations in other countries.. that they were at war with.. what are you talking about? anyway... I don't get your comment. why be so obtuse? there's no way you don't know you're wrong, and if you didn't when you wrote that, there's no way you wouldn't have figured out you were wrong if you had thought about it for a bit alone too.. you can criticize israel, it's fine.. just do it logically and honestly.

[@WylliamJudd]

The problem is that Gaza is occupied territory, so the line between police and military is not as clear as in other war zones.

This is excruciating. Every time Destiny shows that Alex's accusation is insufficiently substantiated, Alex then asks Destiny for proof of the counterclaim - which is absurd, bc Destiny is not making a claim - he's just pointing out that Alex has no evidence for his own claim. Why cant he understand that????

[@parzival112]

IFKR?!!! So frustrating and honestly, it gave me a headache and made me go talk to my mom about my crappy mood

[@platosghost6916]

(shouting to enemy combatants over the sound of gunfire) "Hey everybody, time-out on the battle for a second... is this one of your guys or ours?" I appreciate Alex's naive, Hollywood-movie-esque understanding of what battles are like.

[@vortex_1336]

Right? Like I don't really feel sorry for a guy that gets shot approaching a military position in an active war zone.

[@ronniekregar3482]

@@vortex_1336 you ever lived in active war zone?

[@vortex_1336]

@@ronniekregar3482 I was in the military.

[@ronniekregar3482]

@@vortex_1336 as a civilian I mean..

[@AdamShumpis]

@@ronniekregar3482 Rub the last two brain cells you have left together and just concede your initial jab missed and the person you're talking to knows infinitely more about active battlefield etiquette than you do.

[@matsab7930]

‘They told us to evacuate’ “But ‘us’ could mean the village, not the man” Yeah I don’t even know what to say there… this level of cognitive dissonance is wild.

[@beerleaguebrodeur7724]

The Royal 'us', you know the editorial?

[@dylaroo24]

Alex puts so much weight on needing to identify your target before firing, but it (among so many other things he has said) demonstrates he has no understanding of military actions. Like 90% of the time soldiers can’t see what they are firing at, so by his logic indiscriminately firing is the norm.

[@AkilanNarayanaswamy]

This is only technically better than most of the other Israel-Palestine debates because they are actually going over evidence and not speaking in Twitter quotes. But the logic and evidentiary standards from Alex is some of the worst in any debate ever

[@thebristolbruiser]

I think it is good in the sense that Alex is presenting viewpoints that are commonly held by normalfags, while Destiny is pointing out the flaws in his reasoning. So it is at least helpful for people who are learning how to critically engage with news coverage. I just wish Alex would learn from his mistakes for once.

[@Epeefencer34]

Its still better than that one chick whos entire argument was based off of one tiktok she had watched which lied about its sourcing.

[@Zach0451]

Please make it stop

[@heinshaaine8153]

Not that i value my lifetime but will this also be on the "dude bro" level?

[@AniSoul]

There's another one after this one that happened today and then they have a final one planned at a later date 😂

[@_alreph]

He should stick to body count debates (not this kind of body count)

[@ravener96]

War is chaos, people generally dont realize how fucking confusing combat is. I'm not saying this is how the situation went but i could see something like this. You're in combat, there is sporadic fire from two buildings. A small group of men have collected on your far left flank. Fire continues from one building, the other has gone quiet. Are they relocating? Readying RPGs? Holy moly the guys on the left flank is advancing, bam bam. Get guns back on the possible rpg team. The group of men might be like the fifth priority at the time, attention is being divvied out in fifty directions

[@alexhutchins1273]

Also, the news video literally says he's trying to see if they can make it through BATTLE LINES to retrieve people.

[@pandemix69]

So they kill him?

[@lukasthedark8478]

@@pandemix69yes if you try to cross battle lines after being told to evacuate YES you can very easily be shot

[@gaiusjcaesar09]

Consistently missing the point... A "good source" doesn't mean CNN, Fox, etc. what are they quoting... Did this for over 4 hours of content. The agony. Plus, he shares an example, and Destiny questions the really basic things and he's like "yo why are you so unreasonable"

[@pete6300]

@ 21:43. Alex has no clue how little Muslim extremists value life The taliban used to force small children to plant ied, self bomb, and toss grenades in vehicles

[@orionide4032]

"Self bomb" havent heard someone describe it that way before.

[@pete6300]

@@orionide4032 KZbin tends to censor certain phrases. Lol

[@kppk2084]

What makes you think this civilian was a Muslim extremist?? How did you make that logical jump?

[@pete6300]

@@kppk2084 😂🤣😂🤣 ideological capture is real

[@kppk2084]

@@pete6300 You could try actually responding to what i said. What about that man who was killed waving a white flag makes you think he was a Muslim extremist?

[@yivo9996]

Why would you compare an active war zone to a police shooting like this guy does at 15:03?

[@Acnomad]

I can’t with this “warning shots” convo at 18 minutes. There are so many people who are completely ignorant of how policing and military operations work. Alex doesn’t even understand that there’s a difference between those things. Get out of your own privileged, safe, and orderly life. These situations are dynamic and gray and completely unique, there are no analogs. You can only look at the facts and discuss if the actions were reasonable or not.

[@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom]

"Warning shots" are _exclusively_ military actions. "We're here *for a fight,* so you better fuck off." Police don't do warning shots and you'll lose your self defense case if you try it.

[@kraljict]

Under our own rules of engagement and authorized use of force, warning shots are authorized. And yes, you don't need to be fired to use deadly force. However, you need justification of a deadly threat. Which by the footage, doesn't seem the case.

[@Acnomad]

@@kraljict My issue with the "warning shots" convo isn't whether or not the IDF is allowed to use them. My issue is that Alex thinks that proves something. The lack of warning shots does not prove that IDF soldiers target civilians. This and his "if this was the police" schtick shows an ignorance in how either of those duties are performed. We have the video footage and that's about it, but there are ton of details missing that are important in making a determination. What was going on in the lead up to this? Why are the IDF soldiers stopped in this particular area? The men had stopped walking previously, were they being warned to stay back and they ignored it? There's too much we don't know. Let me give you something to consider, the ITV video said there were multiple weapons fired according to their acoustics expert. What if the first person to fire was attempting a "warning shot" and another soldier got confused? Is it a war crime at that point or a tragic mistake?

[@kraljict]

@@Acnomad I wholeheartedly think it was a mistake. You are absolutely right. I'm not sure if you served as well, but I remember having to learn about ROE and use of force and it is all situational. I mean, our forces have even made bigger mistakes too in Iraq and Afghanistan. You have to prove intention

[@Acnomad]

@@kraljict No, I washed out of ROTC. But I did do some ROE, COB/MOB, and POW training before I left. Maybe this is why I can't take a condemnatory attitude off the bat just by seeing video. I've been asked to walk through scenarios with very little information and forced to make decisions. "Welp, they guy you thought was a civvy just blew you up" or "What you interpreted as a rocket launcher was just a pipe for a farmer to fix his irrigation". You might not go to jail but you're gonna have to live with it. There very well might be a IDF soldier doing that right now.

[@Creslin321]

Alex: "The IDF didn't confirm they were Hamas. See, the IDF said they were definitely not Hamas." Bro...

[@Yourveryowncarrot]

"The IDF didn't confirm they were hamas" >Translation: the IDF just kills all fucking people present in a warzone regardless of threat >Not indiscriminately murdering civilians btw ?

[@NuttyAs]

He claims to know what typically happens and what often happens in a war zone in a separate country. He’s just making it up as he goes because he’s desperate to “win” the conversation

[@yaaraamozig4862]

👍👍

[@themasterkey3]

The fact that every time Destiny merely calls into question the validity of a piece of evidence Alex IMMEDIATELY assumes he's arguing for the opposite position tells you EVERYTHING you need to know. He's either genuinely too stupid to be debating the topic or so ideologically dug in that he's also not capable of having the debate. Destiny merely questioning anything EQUALS he's supporting/defending the IDF and Israel... Yikes dude. The fact that they can literally watch the same video of an IDF soldier explaining that his troops were in the area and that some mistakes are made in war, and Alex walks away thinking this IDF soldier is admitting to mistakenly shooting those Palestinians in the last video. The Bias-Brain is FULL EFFECT. The further you watch the video, a million more examples keep flying by. We learn that one of the interviewed Palestinians says they were ordered to evacuate but the IDF wouldn't let his brother evacuate. Alex's conclusion --> The IDF was holding their brother for "No good reason" with absolutely NOTHING TO GO OFF OF. Just immediately assumes the IDF are holding a random person because they're racist or ignorant... I'm getting brain cancer the more I watch. Jesus... Alex really just suggested that a normal operation for IDF would be to send a drone in, find any random person they find on the drone, and then drop a 100,000 dollar bomb on that random individual... He thinks this is plausible... Dude really needs to see himself out of this topic and debate.

[@bobbobino6859]

I don't think you realize that you're being biased in how you portrayed the general's statements. Daddy Destiny gave you the wrong info to defend due to his bias and you brain apparently can't comprehend the words coming out of the general's mouth so I'll lay it out for you, maybe you can let go of all biases and see if we can agree on the totalogical conclusion of his statements since Destiny wouldn't even engage. General: "There is an investigation into that event".. /video cuts "Mistakes happen in war and we investigate every one of them" Do you agree that due to an investigation into the incident that based on his two statements there is at least a possibility that there was a mistake in this situation. It is just totalogically what follows from those two statements. Not saying there is or isn't, just that it is a possibility based on those two statements.

[@themasterkey3]

@@bobbobino6859 Congratulations. You're literally as dumb and biased as Alex. Good job assuming things based on your bias and giving everyone else who will come to this comment section a perfect microcosm of the brain-rot that has infested you people. I never said their couldn't be a mistake in this situation. LOOK AT YOU ASSUMING MY POSITION JUST LIKE ALEX DOES WHEN I NEVER EVEN GAVE A POSITIVE ARGUMENT. I'M LITERALLY CRITIQUING THE THOUGHT PROCESS. Is this a joke? Please tell me you're trolling by literally walking FACE FIRST into every criticism I just made in my comment... PLEASE.

[@themasterkey3]

@@bobbobino6859 Congratulations. You're literally as dumb and biased as Alex. Good job assuming things based on your bias and giving everyone else who will come to this comment section a perfect microcosm of the brain-rot that has infested you people. I never said their couldn't be a mistake in this situation. LOOK AT YOU ASSUMING MY POSITION JUST LIKE ALEX DOES WHEN I NEVER EVEN GAVE A POSITIVE ARGUMENT. I'M LITERALLY CRITIQUING THE THOUGHT PROCESS. Is this a joke? Please tell me you're trolling by literally walking FACE FIRST into every criticism I just made in my comment... PLEASE.

[@themasterkey3]

@@bobbobino6859 You also might want to look up how to spell and what the meaning of "tautological" is before using big words your not familiar with bud.

[@bobbobino6859]

@@themasterkey3 id ignore the point being made to deflect about spelling too if I had an undefendable position. Daddy Destiny's debate tactics seem to have been fully ingrained. R I P

[@Kelvasisthebest]

The "Police in America" = "Military in Conflict Zone" argument isn't even worth engaging with. If you dont understand why the rules of engagement are different than the rules for police, you arent equipped to have this conversation at all.

[@jonfalch3069]

Imagine you are a soldier, you have been in multiple fire fights throughout the week and you have seen your friends die to people dressed in regular clothing. The job your doing today had you sending a group away from a target and told everyone to keep their distance. You are set to watch everyone’s back and 5 guys roll up on your team. There is noise and you’d rather not let them get close enough to use a weapon so You raise your weapon to let them they know they are under threat they keep coming, you and your team charge your weapons another visible sign that warns them to keep their distance. they still keep moving forward, if they get much closer with a hidden bomb grenade or weapon could come into play and you your team and the whole unit will be under threat. What’s left?

[@agentnick5]

Yo the shaky took me out. somebody in the comments said "damn gaza had an earthquake" LMAO

[@BlueEyesTurdDragon]

It hurts that Alex is a pretty accurate representation of how the majority of people think.

[@AK4525]

Bingobango

[@kainoizking]

“They should give warning shots” bro… it’s literally an active warzone.

[@michaelmaddox2536]

Have you ever been in a war zone?

[@bignut3348]

​@@michaelmaddox2536irrelevant

[@nopenope5601]

@@michaelmaddox2536 Probably not, because you're likely to get shot at like these people did.

[@Cashout95]

@@michaelmaddox2536Mans just discovred Destiny and now needs to cope^😂

[@amirooliky7002]

its easy for you to say that while living in your first world and sitting on your ass

[@mukkaar]

"what would police do" argument is so tiring. Job of the police is to protect everyone and solve all kinds of civil issues. While job of the military is to accomplish their mission. If they were told to hold that ground or something along those lines, or simply that they were doing something and could not let people close in, and these people still advanced, white flag is not going to save them. This is literally why we don't want military to be doing police work or anything domestically.

[@Gorpos]

Police argument falls apart real fast. If you approach a police line or officers doing an arrest, they’re not gonna shoot unless they give a warning or without physically restraining. But Police and military have different rules of engagement. But if you have a milligram of common sense, you would know not to approach. But also do police have to deal with suicide bombers? Because if they did, you sure as shit would shoot if people approached.

[@unclebobboomergames]

Ah part 2 in the Teaching Alex How To Structure An Argument series. Joy

[@jacobkessler3625]

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man

[@horn1225]

Warning shots are not allowed by the law of land warfare for the US military. Unsure if that applies to the IDF but I'm pretty sure all UN forces adhere to this. I think it's unlikely that the IDF would use warning shots.

[@wizzzer1337]

And for that reason the U.S military had considerably deadlier engagements. Warning shots could have ended many deadly encounters in checkpoints and patrolls.

[@horn1225]

​@wizzzer1337 there's a reason warning shots aren't used. Read into it. Source US Marine Corps Vet

[@jokingatheist]

"If your mom is surrounded by police and you walk towards them with your hands up, whilst holding a flag." a.) These are not police in the act of normal duty on the streets of suburbia. These are Soldiers in an Active warzone. b.) in combat a closing of the distance is the difference between life and death for a soldier especially when dealing with terrorists who actively deploy deception to close that gap. c.) in active warzones areas are demarcated as no go zones precisely because they are deemed as still not clear and unsafe for both the Soldiers and Civilians. d.) Search and Destroy missions are always used as a means of clearing areas and anything moving in that area is deemed as Enemy by default. e.) when dealing with an enemy who actively is using its citizenry and breeching international law by operating within schools and hospitals etc. A person holding a white flag no longer has any meaning. The rules have been changed by the enemy. The Military are simply reacting to a changed landscape of rules. f.) if you are instructed by a military to stop advancing, you stop advancing. It does not mean Advance slowly or advanced whilst creeping, It MEANS STOP ADVANCING. People who argue like this clearly have never seen active duty and has spent far too much time behind Tv's and Keyboards. War is Brutal and cares not for your active sense of sensibilities. War is not meant to make sense. It is meant to defeat the enemy through Brutal force and an escalation of Might using Violence. War = Death and Destruction.

[@user-ub6vs6dm9l]

I can't believe this guy came back for more! was he not humiliated enough last time!!!!

[@pennclick]

People clown on Alex but there's a reason he does alright with the goofiest pick-up lines; he's surrounded in a barrier of confidence that not even a shameful debate can pierce

[@Armlace]

Does he do alright? lol

[@0scarWalsh]

@@Armlace Eyes on your own meat, bud

[@cl1489]

Imagine going on a date with him as a female? My god

[@veritasabsoluta4285]

​@@cl1489he's probably different in an actual date lol

[@Itamar536.]

​@@cl1489 he seems to do well... Somehow

[@Heas1111]

I wonder if he figured out where Gaza is this time

[@mowleed2000]

Destiny didn’t know where Israel is on a map either

[@PiscosAmerica]

@@mowleed2000😂found Hasan’s alt account

[@yakinthebox]

Alex: "You are playing the devils advocate" him 2 minutes later: "probably the soldier in the tank was overzealous and had a happy trigger" .

[@cl1489]

I almost had a heart attack from laughing so hard when Alex put his stage IV Parkinson's hand up to the cam holding his phone.

[@Jericho725]

Parkinson’s disease doesn’t have ‘stages’

[@dakneegrow.]

​@@Jericho725 are you sure?

[@Dismuth]

@@Jericho725 google :)

[@goldwynn6098]

"It even changed Alex Jones mind." That was the most epic line in this debate.

[@ryanraffaelli8574]

It’s awesome how Alex comments on military hierarchy like he’s served. What a maroon.

[@WestliFerZul]

He's white

[@duggins101]

Has destiny served?

[@FacelessDeviant]

No, but he had a fairly long interview with a military analyst who has served. @@duggins101

[@BrendanishLeo]

@@duggins101 Can you show Ryan where he said destiny did?

[@jacobbaartz7710]

I get that alexs process is easily contestable, but holy shit yall need to cut him some slack. Hes extremely patient, open to pushback and doesnt use (deliberately) the usual bad faith tactics wed see from any other guest. I cant imagine any other party willing to research in the trenches with our main gal; destiny.

[@unclebobboomergames]

Dude came in the first time and was like "you havent had many good convos on this" and then proceesed to have one of the worst and most surface level discussions for like almost 3 hrs. And now its nearly 2 of the same thing.

[@jacobbaartz7710]

@@unclebobboomergames Okay, totally understand that, lmao.

[@unclebobboomergames]

@@jacobbaartz7710 if it were only this one convo in isolation id get it. But i think people who saw the first prolly are doing a collective groan seeing the thumbnail and title

[@yaaraamozig4862]

Thank you🙏

[@tyraelkamh1875]

Show video: Destiny: do you know -insert any question- "Ugabuga i can uhhh try to duhh find uhmmm information" This Alex guy is incapable of logic, there is no point talking to people like this. He cant answer a single question without adding or subtract information. "Its abvious" "common sense" "Why would he otherwise" "that means *totally made up story*" He is INCAPABLE of reasoning.

[@christop3]

just need some disingenuous answers, rambling for 9 minutes after a simple answer and refusing to give similar credit to any talking point that alex takes for himself and you'd be totally on the mark :D

[@tyraelkamh1875]

​@@christop3Alex is incapable of reason.

[@tyraelkamh1875]

@@christop3 i dont even know what you said means

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

​@@christop3 Hey just a small lifehack. If someone is making a claim, but they are unable to answer any clarifying questions. That is probably a good indication that the person dont know anything about the topic.

[@nicememes7570]

“I have all the info you’re asking for” except for who the ‘civs’ are

[@laurentbergeronmusic]

Haven't watched this yet. Does he acknowledge that he thought the map of Israel was the map of Gaza?

[@Rellikan]

Me neither but devout pro-Palestinians don't believe Israel is legitimate anyway. So he might very well act as if all of Israel is Palestinian or otherwise non-Israelic land.

[@jaizizkool]

no

[@0scarWalsh]

@@Rellikan He's really not that extreme lol, there is such thing as a moderate pro-palestinian. Shame they're just used as puppets by bad faith actors and genuine anti-Semites.

[@mowleed2000]

Do you acknowledge that Destiny thought Assad was turkey president didn’t know where Israel was and thought Russia bordered Egypt?

[@laurentbergeronmusic]

@@mowleed2000 Not during a debate, he didn't. All of those things were right at the start of him studying for all of this. He admitted right at the beginning that he knew next to nothing about the entire region and its history.

[@MisterS.]

Very glad this becomes a series

[@chillbluesnake7085]

Alex is a great guy, but he's bought full on propaganda here, without asking himself questions. Noticed how everytime Steven asks a question, or tries to think, reflect about the situation, Alex starts interrupting, preventing any questioning about the topic? And Steven is not asking wild questions, they're perfectly logical. The problem is: when you're already bought in the propaganda, and you already picked a side, you have nothing to gain by questioning your sources. Youcan only have negative consequences: you can realize you were wrong, you can think your side may manipulate you, you can feel stupid, etc.... that's why at a certain point he asks "Wait, why are we going down these rabbit holes?" when simply questioning what happens. Knda disappointing....

[@deadzoneternity]

Alex: i wouldnt trust times with gaza just like i wouldnt trust times with israel. *Flashback to first part of this debate where alex's only sources are straight from gaza or Hamas.*

[@michaelmaddox2536]

Yet Destiny has nothing to compare. That alone doesn't make Destiny wrong, but come on, dude. Isreal is just Nazi's 2.0 at this point.

[@rayman9032]

This is one of the most obvious, easiest debates I have seen in a while - so I find it very amusing to see some people, who I'm guessing must be young, still siding with Alex. It's very obvious Alex isn't capable of critically assessing the validity and actual meaning of information. He constantly uses his own interpretation of information as fact - which is something you can absolutely not do, if you want to come to meaningful conclusions. If you seriously think Alex is in the right here, you have a very surface level understanding and were never properly taught how to for example dissect scientific papers in uni - most likely because you have never had to go through that level of education, since you are a very young person. My advice to you would be, to try and watch/listen to these debates not to get a purely ego-driven enjoyment out of them, since you're probably treating it like a sport - but instead I would suggest for you to try and actually get something out of them, by being open to learn from them. Even if Destiny was completely in the wrong factually here, he would still have won this debate - based on some very, very obvious principles by which we assess the validity of information. If we don't stick to these principles, we're gonna end up with nothing.

[@elliotett]

Omg, I've searched far and wide, but finally, there it is... My jungler

[@drearmouse9510]

40:27 Yeah.. Alex really showing how much he doesn't actually care about the truth, just confirming his biases.

[@demarek]

He doesn't even know where Gaza is on the map based on the previous video.

[@nicholasg.5441]

Redpiller talking about military having to fire warning shots in a firezone.. my partisan brain is exploding

[@BrianAllen174]

Can i show you one more video?

[@AruthaSilverthorn]

There is a difference between a source which has Data such that you can parse it yourself, (primarily Israel or UNRWA sources) But Alex prefers “sources” as in 3rd parties that make conclusions. These types short cut the process so you don’t have to engage your brain and can’t just choose conclusions that support your side, 1 step away from headlines.

[@Staplegunner]

My guy can keep an eye at gaza and the west bank at the same time.

[@saucy3639]

Cmon man 😂

[@mofishin2648]

LOL and still not actually understand what he's watching

[@critanddam9031]

Wth man😢

[@0scarWalsh]

Bro is fighting for a connected territory just so his left and right eye can meet back up. He wants freedom of movement just to cast his Gaze.

[@SmilingAzaleaFlower-kw3eh]

Jesus Christ watching Alex try to frantically google things that support his beliefs only to misinterpret everything he googles is depressing 😊

[@Nathan-rn7wl]

I really like alex. I know his learning debate.. i hope he improves

[@dannysday2001]

As a native Hebrew speaker, I tried to figure out what was said in the second video (without looking at the sub) but couldn't for the most part, due to the blurry audio and the loud music. Does anyone have a link to the original video? Would like to clarify 😬

[@HelloOki]

Most entertaining debate because borelli is destroying a friendly helpless chad

[@bigaaron]

The poor oaf didn't know what he was getting himself into

[@iamdoctorcoaxum]

Watched the whole video and still looking for the Chad

[@HelloOki]

@@bigaaron hahahaha

[@HelloOki]

@@iamdoctorcoaxum look in the mirror 🙂

[@Bakedzd81]

Destiny, you're incredibly patient with this guy. Kudos to you. Frankly, it was hard to watch/listen to and you deserve better sparring partners.

[@ReallyAwesomeBoy]

Second video actually looked pretty bad, if anyone has any more info about it I'd be interested.

[@OrenLevi]

if a drone was used the IDF probebly even knew thier names

[@willowfitzgerald2856]

"These people were standing and waving a white flag in an area where they were told not to be. They were absolutely innocent civilians." Alex's engagement with reality is cartoonish. This man can't possibly be sentient.

[@PumpkaneKing]

I think Alex makes a fair request when asking why the IDF doesn’t release the evidence for the assessment of these strikes. I wish they would too, and I think destiny didn’t really have a satisfactory answer for why they don’t. However if I were to give Israel the best possible argument, then id imagine they don’t want to release this information because Hamas could adapt their tactics to better avoid being detained.

[@mctbaggins2084]

Akums razor says that's the most likely answer. The alternative reason is waaaay too much thinking and not enough knowledge about warfare. It makes perfect sense to not give out a bunch of info on how you conduct war for your enemy to just change tactics and then use it against you.

[@PeteMoser]

Alex is a walking, talking logical fallacy. All of them.

[@NinjaMortis]

hahahaha

[@BillyBiceps]

Alex granting a point and then immediately taking it back was the laugh I needed today lol

[@stevenm3330]

Destiny has the wrong argument here. He should be asking do we know the ROE's (rules of engagement) and type of operation that was going on at the time.

[@phillipoliverholtz9226]

He shouldn't argue major topics with a POA youtuber... thats the wrong debate opponent. Its like debating sneako out of his current emotional attachment.... never happening.

[@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom]

​@@phillipoliverholtz9226 the arguments are for the audience (us) and not the opponent. That guy is basically just a framing device.

[@thegodofthegods1084]

We need a trilogy debate🧉

[@Armlace]

Don't worry, the third one happened earlier today

[@D_S_T]

Someone in the chat said “this is a debate against Patrick Star” 💀😂

[@robsright4256]

In the first video, they walk towards buildings that are on fire. It was probably locked up to that point

[@DivkvanDyke6913]

It’s not indiscriminate. People who don’t have military experience or know anyone with it should stop acting like they are experts on military defense.

[@eddierodas8004]

Alex is just unfit for this conversation.

[@carnivaliuhm]

That video he linked, you hear gunshots then it cuts to him being on the ground, not showing the actual "death shot". It also sounds like fire from an AK.

[@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom]

The Israeli Galil sounds almost exactly like an AK but they haven't been standard issue for quite a few years.

[@GingersRuleYou]

I swear on everything i love that i could convince Alex that the sky is purple..

[@badmuddafadda]

Alex is just so dumb, he makes Hasan seem smart.

[@daveavid]

Can we all agree that Alex needs to reevaluate his camera angle? Side note, am I the only one that notices Alex can barely read out loud? He seems to have some weird thing going out with his eye, stroke?

[@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom]

Probably an aneurysm. That might explain his weird lumpy head.

[@hotpocketz6020]

Alex should watch Ryan Macbeth’s video on this and this conflict he gives a great metric on how to analyze these situations

[@Maiso23m]

Destiny is the Good doctor of poltical commentary lmao. funny how you can guess his position before he even answers ..he's always defending the IDF

[@poelander0454]

awesome how you're criticizing his views without giving any specific examples, it's almost like you just dislike him or his views so you're ignorant to the substance of what he's actually saying! good one!

[@Maiso23m]

@@poelander0454 did you even watch the video? please confirm that you did then ill give you the specific examples. Also Destiny said himself in the video that he's not even expressing his views but just pointing out why Alex's views are wrong lmao.

[@poelander0454]

@@Maiso23m yes I did watch the video 😁

[@abcdefg-nu4xj]

1:04:51 translation is mostly accurate except the "it was fantastic" part, no one said that. what was said instead (by another person, not the one talking about shooting the guy) is something about trying a Negev gun, i'm not sure about the context but it seems he was talking to someone else and i'm not sure if he was even on camera. i'm just presenting it as it is, i don't think that changes much. but anyway my opinion is that this soldier went into a house, found that there's someone hiding there, he couldn't verify if he's hamas or anything, he didn't know if there are more people there or if they are armed and so he shot him. things like this probably happened many times during wars in the past, this just happens to be the most filmed and documented war in history.

[@burnbird16]

Thank you for this layup debate. So much value. So much learned.

[@gibberish131]

This dude just needs to play the clips and go through what was said, my impression is that at this stage he is not even reviewing anything, just got the IDF is bad message... And he is sticking to it

[@b-a-s-e-d]

the spokesmen of IDF said mistakes happen, he never said "it was us" why is Alex adding this? Also why is Alex believing and citing the IDF as a source now? 😂😂

[@YemYum]

It’s actually like he is stuck at lvl 1 engagements. He can’t go beyond what’s right in front of him and apply the slightest amount of critical thought

[@akuost]

At the video that start at 1:04:51, there are some errors that definitely can change some of the "evil" narrative of already heavily edited video: At 1:05:14, the translation is "we got in; we opened fire" not true. He "we got it; we open a 'zig'", opening a zig is a military term when you need to come around the corner and check quickly if there is a threat around. at 1:05:17, the translation is "saw someone get on the ground, he came to my direction did this to me" not true, what he actually said: "the moment we came, someone *got up* and he bends down, he came to my direction and did like that(waving his hands)" at 1:05:33, the translation is "-there was only one person" not true. They kinda talk over each other, but no one said "there was only one person"

[@vulcanh254]

NickFuentes explained to Destiny in detail how Israel and the ADL works and why he's banned from almost everywhere. It was a few hours after that fateful chicken waffle meal, that Destiny's masters approached him, in a dark alley, holding a gold youtube play button with Bonnell's name on it, as to threaten his career if he didn't fall in line. The rest is history.

[@The_Ajna]

Lmaooo you're a good troll

[@timothyerickson797]

The first incident they clearly state the group of 4 men was advancing on an IDF position.

[@benrelaxedguy]

What did they expect would happen if they made it to their family members being held by the IDF? Like if you have a white flag you can break your friends out of jail?

[@yesbabelon]

Alex: *makes assumptions* Destiny: *starts talking* Alex: 'You're making assumptions'

[@jshv73]

Am I about to watch another hour of Alex quoting sources only to find out those sources don’t actually agree with his conclusion?

[@DJchestr]

what would it take for Steven to put Israel in the wrong at this point? Honest question

[@vargasjal2232]

00:01:50 - Everyone is wearing colorfull cloth... (Red, white, grey, beigh) 00:02:00 - Cut to random other scene, everyone wearing black cloth. Is it even the same people, or just horrible editing?

[@Dismuth]

It's the lighting. You can see the brightness and contrast gets lower between shots. In the next cut that they are wearing colored cloth but it's hard to see.

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

Wow this conflict between Israel and Portugal is going wild!

[@henryburton6529]

1:22:00 he thinks there is indiscriminate bombing because of the videos AND Biden saying it - such a dishonest review of Alex's position

[@Xation]

His claim in the first video(14:02) that they stood still and then slowly walked ("weren't actively walking toward the area") and got shot is just wrong. If you look at the video where they hold the flag up and are standing still, there's a piece of plastic dangling past the second wooden pole, and when it cuts to them walking they are a good distance past that plastic piece on the wall. Meaning from the moment they stood still in the video waving the flag and passport, to the video of them walking, they had walked probably a distance of 50+ meters before getting shot at. I think it's safe to assume they had been warned, or were at least somewhat aware to the boundaries of the zone, considering they were standing right outside it waving a flag, before proceeding to advance. Even the camera people and the other people keeping a good distance from them indicates that the people there knew that where they were headed was dangerous.