Dating The Krugersdorp Cult Killer / Wide Awake Podcast EP. 24

[@wideawakepodcast]

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[@heatherwolmarans8287]

Your face, during some of her narrative, was stunned, I feel the same way😶

[@vonickles5033]

Great episode, thank you

[@samkelomatyhila1279]

Love all the stories ..great work mfethu

[@ashton-leedelport3427]

I've lived in Krugersdorp my whole life and the fact that I've met every single person mentioned in this cases is so terrifying

[@annawinther9450]

Oh man!! That must if been a hard time for you. So Crazy this stuff!!

[@claudiasteyn2553]

And the worst being HER

[@vonickles5033]

What is your take on the whole thing?

[@mohsin8617]

Scary

[@hollyturner8050]

​@@claudiasteyn2553exactly 💯

[@gingertwala8474]

Shout out to algorithms...i've just discovered this gem of a channel. Btw-after this bizarre story aired, i never looked @Krugersdorp the same..This lady fascinated me then, she still does even now...great interview🥳🥳

[@Voodoorai]

I agree. Thank you, algorithms. I saw the one on Tokkie and now here I am. You know a podcast is good when you will listen to people you've never heard of...talk about people/situations you've never heard of...and be thoroughly entertained. And Josh has such an honest, gentle way about him. He knows how to ask the right questions and let them share the information without constantly interrupting. And he showed so much compassion for Tokkie/Gabriel. I'm telling everyone about this channel.

[@callumfinaughty6779]

Red flags for her. Trying to give excuses for a serial killer. Great interview though.

[@primera5022]

She's still in love

[@smokingblues5067]

She has more red flags than a comunist parade in china

[@bradenharris8718]

Yeah. She def isn't far removed enough from this situation yet to really objectively look at this whole thing.

[@bandietklip7030]

Awesome podcast! You know what was scary? Zak was actually in my house as a financial advisor. This feeling sends shivers down my spine.

[@panchovan617]

That is scary as hell. I actually used to book travel trips with Michaela - That is why this story was of interest to me. I left South Africa before they were arrested, but because of Michaela I kept following

[@personofinterest8731]

What about the terror and fear that the victims went through as they realised they were going to die? Then the pain? Why does this not come up in this conversation? Am I the only one feeling that basic empathy for the victims is missing (I'm about two thirds of the way through), and a total lack of humanity?

[@yanodgh2656]

You are not the only one, this woman is sick, she could care less about the victims, she is too fascinated with the murderers, she even went as far as to date the one she clearly had no relationship with, just to hear him tell his sick stories and you can see she loved all the stories he and his friends had to tell, she could care less about the victims side and the trauma they left behind.

[@kirastrikes8773]

that's what happens when youre a journo you become so desensitized, youre no longer affected by heinous acts. truly sad.

[@heatherwolmarans8287]

She did say that she and another journalist split the story, one focused on the criminals, and the other focused on the victims. So her point of view is, in that respect, one sided, yes. It's a very unique story to listen to, because it shows that humanity, being a human being, is complex and complicated.

[@selenem3384]

she has criminals in her family and her boyfriend is in prison...she is definitely sympathizing with the wrong side

[@davekeyser2530]

I reckon if she knew them sooner she would've joined that cult and helped with the murders

[@benjaminblancopickett4902]

Great podcast it's usually u.k and USA podcast show up nice to hear from other parts of the world respect from South Wales valleys 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿👍💯

[@voertsek8404]

Listening to this from Australia . This lady must wake up she is dealing with a psychopath . This man has got to her like he did with his victims . Yet she still has feelings for him proves to me she is in deep trouble without her knowing it . Just like an alcoholic never admitting he has a drinking problem. He now has control over her mind from prison. A very dangerous mental state to be in . Be careful he is going to bring u down .

[@charmainepriestman915]

If you watch the trial which is on KZbin you will realize that Leroux and his sister were 'victims too' there mother Marinda is one of the vilest humans there is

[@papas28mjoli]

"I was like yhoooo" that South African vibe came out of her. Once a person says yhooo you must know they are shocked.

[@MConnoway]

Large lesson from this story: Cults exploit vulnerable people and what we need as a nation is to focus on mental health and community building.

[@compulsiverambler1352]

They mostly exploit wealthy people and/or healthy high-functioning people capable of working hard for them or giving them most of their earnings, like the members of this cult were; they don't want any kind of ill or disabled people with expensive health, debt, addiction or other money-draining needs, unless they have a lot of savings and can still give them or leave them a tonne of money. It is a myth that cult members have worse mental health or lower intelligence than average when they FIRST get into the cult. The only vulnerability that has any correlation with joining a cult is being young and newly away from home. Most ways of being a "vulnerable person", such as homelessness or mental illness, protect you against being targeted by a cult, cos they believe you would be a burden.

[@ZeboVideos]

Is there a reason your podcast is just on KZbin, I would love to be able to listen to your show while driving, exercising etc. Great show

[@bongimkhize3471]

Why is Marizka idolising Le Roux , it’s so weird 😐

[@nathanvandermerwe]

Yeah, making excuses for a cold-blooded killer.

[@Bruc3dj]

Because she can

[@Pure_Boxing]

I reckon its got an element of loyalty attached to it. A member of a murderous cult probably needs to have such high levels of trust and loyalty to go against everything better they know. She might find that attractive as it could be used in a relationship sense

[@selenem3384]

she is also all over tiktok lives doing this🤦‍♀️ maybe she is doing this for clout for her so called writing "career"

[@r-aking2973]

@@Bruc3dj k

[@goal4097]

She's TOTALLY honest, which doesn't exist these days. She saying like it is. She's is who she is, unlike most people!!!

[@desireefarrett9286]

I love this woman as I listen to her, but I fear that Le Roux is not "done with her" yet. Le Roux is not over for her. He is still controlling her, because she is still emotionally connected to him. All the best my darling.

[@lclarissabeetge4793]

I do understand Marizka 100% Le Roux & Marcel grew up with my kids Infront of my eyes. The mental conditioning was extremely heartbreaking 😢

[@Shame_thats_hectic]

This was actually one of the best true crime podcasts I've listened to in a while. I come from a conservative Christian background and I have always been fascinated by how quick people are to just believe whatever a religious leader says and justify even the most horrendous things in the name of religion. The way the human mind is able to rationalise things over time is fascinating. I really do pray for Mariska's safety and protection though. Le Roux was an abused and manipulated child who didn't deserve what happened to him. But South African prisons are the OPPOSITE of rehabilitation centers. Justice is being served, and I really hope he was joking about the stalking thing. Great podcast. I would love to see an interview like this with Dr Nandipha

[@kevinpadoa4011]

Great journalism Josh well done.

[@worldtraveller3288]

As a South African who moved abroad 18 years ago I sometimes sit and reflect on SA's relationship with christianity. Now that I have the position of looking at it from the outside I would say that SA has such a convoluted relationship with religion. So many want to do good by God but get so caught up and enamoured by so called prophets or even just church ministers (which ends up breeding more and more hate and divisiveness) that they end up losing the true meaning of religion (that of love, respect and acceptance). Perhaps this is because they need something to hold on to, the greater good, when faced with so many challenges in the country. I'm not sure if SA is still as conservative as it used to be, I hope not.

[@chillyman7340]

That is so true, left the church years ago in my late teens cause the stuff Christians were doing raised way to many eyebrows for me and these people believing in prophets and all sorts of weird stuff, hope life has been better wherever you moved to, lol I want to leave to.

[@panchovan617]

I also left 7 years ago, but go there once a year. My family is not very religious or conservative, and at least in the cities, people seem a bit more open-minded. But there is still this underlying conservatism rooted in some fundamentalist Christianity that keeps popping up. And it is not limited to a certain race group. It is across the board.

[@LydiaLamont-cy6tt]

This is not a South Africa thing. It's all over the world

[@kabelobrian4540]

Everyday as I drive past Key West Mall, Netcare Hopsital near the flat that Cecilia used to rent and also its the same place and possibly room that my friend also occupied for two years, I am so shocked at the stories these walls experienced. I withdrew from the same ABSA atm's they withdrew the monies from, diven and lived in Sivewright street where one of the bodies were found inside the car. Its almost as if I could see everything when I passed these places after I watched the documentary. Its a scary but also eye opening experiece that such a calm peaceful appearing old town has experienced such horrors. Aside from all these bad stories though, its really a good quiet place to live in.

[@deeboy6356]

. ok..

[@Greeny_isthegoat]

Its a depressing place with many dark places

[@robynvercetti9476]

Bro i can losten to her talk forever. Shes so interesting and shes so articulate and sull of zest!

[@BlahBlah-gb6st]

God: Mariska... I put a murderer on your road, what did you do with him? Mariska: I tried to have sex with him in prison

[@wideawakepodcast]

This got me! 😂

[@BlahBlah-gb6st]

@@wideawakepodcast love your podcasts btw. Always interesting, keep it up man

[@wideawakepodcast]

@@BlahBlah-gb6st thank you, I’ve got some incredible guests lined up next week!! Also, keep up the good comments.. 😂

[@claudiasteyn2553]

Sick flippen women!!!

[@selenem3384]

@@claudiasteyn2553 she probably does not care if he got AIDS in prison, as long as she can get famous from her books about him

[@mphomoatshe9300]

You guys are doing really well.We appreciate it❤❤❤

[@pheladinare2876]

The heart is a deceiver and very very deceitful. All its desire leads to death. When you feeeeel something is real you have to consciously think through your mind if it is good or bad. The mind MUST rule in this case. Her relationship with the Leroux is bad in all factors.

[@eagleeyeprintingdesigning5443]

Hi. Mariska was saying its something in the water, well its almost correct. Its called Lay line areas of where horrific things have happened in the past in and around Krugersdorp as far back as before the boerwar.

[@derrickhuman]

Great podcast Josh. Enjoying the channel more with every episode 💪🏻

[@yanodgh2656]

This woman is sick! Listening to her is really disturbing! Listen to her, she asks the guy in front of her, why is he in prison and she laughs and say like dude why did you say that or do that, you would never have been caught, you can see she is fascinated about murders and that is what attracted her to him, the fact that he is a murderer and willing to speak so that she can listen to the fascinating stories that he has to tell and she evens admits to it, listen to her even saying she feel like she had so much power with them, because she could tell them who and who not to speak to and what not to say, you can see she don't care about the victims, but more of the killers instead, they fascinate her, it's a shame that you get people like her and reading thru the comments you can see alot of people looking up to her, it just shows how fucked up our society is!

[@sketchyfade9276]

“But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.”

[@k-v-d1795]

I agree. She is despicable.

[@chopendop4100]

Bro you hit the nail on the spot. I'm watching this in total disgust. This woman is sick

[@nadinenagel8240]

She also drank the water

[@DJ_Stardust]

How carelessly she speaks about burning someone- shocking.

[@kiaraflanegan8138]

Love what you're doing! I needed to see more of her side of the story, how interesting! Keep doing great things. Can't wait to see how you grow even greater. God bless.

[@tamrynmcgear3354]

Please do a part 2, her perspective is so interesting.

[@vonickles5033]

Yes please, good idea

[@_theconcretembali]

Loooove your interview style. I am hooked to these interviews.

[@phoebedunn9203]

Definitely need a part 2 !!!

[@k6ix.603]

I actually live in krugersdorp 😂this story is crazy tjoh, it hits so close to home, I've been driving, walking and living around every single place where these people used to do these things and I was completely oblivious until they started getting arrested 💁‍♀️👀

[@hlogieee]

Sameeeee😂

[@vonickles5033]

That must seem surreal

[@stephanusbuys8051]

Just discovered your channel, awesome stuff man.

[@vonickles5033]

She makes for a great interview, very fascinating

[@6ixuare]

Ever Since you brought Adam turner here😎 I made this channel my place to be🔥🔥❤

[@monique_k8958]

Ek love jou Marizka, jou happiness is aansteeklik ek het jou boek ook gelees was fantasties. Sien uit vir die volgende een!

[@heatherwolmarans8287]

I remember a case (a long, long time ago) about a couple from Krugersdorp who kidnapped and murdered schoolgirls, but I'd never heard this story!!

[@vonickles5033]

I remember that one too

[@n8440]

Hi from krugersdorp my mother in law was in the krugersdorp hospital across the street at that time I was so shocked about this story im still shocked

[@leslierabie9763]

OMG bring her back.. she is awesome. what you see is what you get!

[@bumblebee1.0]

Wow, she is brutally honest!

[@adelevrey]

Anonymous contacted me in 2013 to have a meeting regarding the 4 first murders. I contacted the investigating officer, and we had a meeting with anonymous, we recorded the meeting on audio and video. She knew exactly who the murderer's were and where they hid the weapons. They discussed everything in front of her - anonymous was afraid that she would be next. (Cecilia and them had a hit-list of people they still wanted to kill.) Nothing came of the investigation. In 2015 the killing spree continued, and I waited in anticipation for the killers to be caught, but 7 more people died, just to find out that they were all caught in the end...

[@corieneventer4640]

None of the murderers deserve any sympathy or compassion. They do not belong in society. They did not give any victims or their families a second chance.

[@MichaeleKukard]

Marizka start your own podcast !! We will all follow.😅

[@selenem3384]

Mariska: you know, you know... People watching: no we don't know wtf

[@ayandamametsa3562]

Tik Tok brought me here😊

[@wideawakepodcast]

That was the plan! 😂

[@charnicepholoshomani]

Same here😂

[@zanetaylorsversion]

Same

[@jazzlee8291]

Same! 😂

[@richardk100]

Excellent podcast, well done.

[@jeromeokelly1839]

Growing brother. God bless you in abundance

[@wideawakepodcast]

Really appreciate it brother!

[@angiedillman7963]

Watching from Florida.. I thought we had all the crazies..What a story..

[@shannonlynnkenny7952]

Amazing content, as always!

[@nibz2319]

Amazing podcast as always !

[@hendrinahaikwiyu8149]

This was a great interview... I love her

[@micheletotton9342]

Josh you are so good at this, really

[@peterkoutsis2780]

This is Children Of The Corn Story No smiles on a story like this

[@elizabethwashburn5559]

She's got such a gift..with her words I feel like I could listen to her for hours..I hope she has been able to continue her career goals because there aren't many people who have her ability [=

[@luyandamadlanga3898]

To think i was in the same school as Miranda(teacher) and Marcel(her daughter) is crazy😩. Now this explains alot about Marcels' behavior- she was always secluded from other kids by her mother. Lol. I thought that her not having friends made her focus on school, little did we know that there was something else to it.

[@Dinklewurthe]

Rip to all the ukzn forensic students who got these mense as an assignment this semester 💀

[@MichaeleKukard]

Marizka you are a great story teller and a great lady. Dont fall for BS again. You deserve a standup guy.

[@14thavenuehaunting]

This was extremely interesting!

[@horse.395]

I hope they never come out of jail,these cruel demons.

[@davealston3881]

Why is this person laughing and smiling when she relates stories of murder. She is weird.

[@Greeny_isthegoat]

Yep

[@sarahpeters_cpt]

Firstly this lady is a good speaker and story teller. It's enjoyable listening to her voice. But I must say it was quite disturbing watching this to see how interested or how invested she is 🫣

[@charmainepriestman915]

Love your podcasts!!

[@ricardohendricks1711]

Saw this case on the casual criminalist. These people were monsters

[@marnaduplessis4242]

I know it's not your usual content, but can you do a video on the equipment you use?

[@sigourneybrand5695]

The biggest thing I would catagorically disagree with. is that victims get all the attention in the media. All these stories are almost always based around the killer and the victims are just supporting cast it feels like. We all know the killer names, but the victims so rarely are remembered or the first people associtated with the cases when they are brough up. This was a great interview, but she's defintly got rose coloured glasses on.

[@thegoryguttersnipeshow3766]

Loving your channel, man! :) Entirely top class!

[@hlengiwefeliciamabuza7354]

Truth be told krugersdorp is one scary and unsafe place, I literally cringe thinking about it!

[@JimmieCooper-le6vj]

Nothing wrong about Krugersdorp,until these scumbags crept out of their nest.Grew up in Krugersdorp,and it was a lovely place,growing up.Until the ANC took over off course.Well,then all towns went to the dogs !! There were never any crimes ,in the town for years . Till these lot came to town.

[@lukadoncicbrother661]

if you like the podcast, like the video it helps spread the video in the algorithm, support the boy !

[@rebornstudios2511]

love the content!

[@alta7777]

Very good podcast

[@nicoledutoit4968]

Awesome podcast☺great job frizkie marizkie😀

[@kevinpadoa4011]

Thanks!

[@wideawakepodcast]

Really appreciate it! 🙏🏼

[@YoutubeUser..]

New York Times sent me here!

[@wideawakepodcast]

Tell them I say thank you!!

[@buttermilkbob2370]

Bro i swear to god when i saw this in one of the short videos few days ago i thought it was kinda romantic and i was interested but now after listening to whole podcast, this is terrifying and so disturbing to listen. I can't!!! What is this woman thinking 😨

[@dantekramer3753]

sheeesh, what an intro xD im hooked

[@ntsikizulu4592]

I can’t over how she believes everything he told her. He is the victim, he had no idea & she is basically saving him

[@ryanmorgann]

Please get a cop or ex cop on the podcast who dealt with a lot of crime.

[@KeithMakank3]

Josh actually pronounces the "x" in Le Roux X'D

[@RachaelEager]

They had every reason to fire her. She was clearly in a relationship with this guy, physical touch or not.

[@MrFyeart]

When he gets out of prison, where will she hide

[@JacquelinevanWyk0107]

Well done. Loving your content. She has such a unique way of telling the story. Great Junro.

[@lukadoncicbrother661]

29:37 i think she meant astral projection, which is real and you should stay away from trying especially as a christian

[@IonizedComa]

Damn they even got it out for Harry Potter 💀 Daniel Radcliffe must keep his gaurd up next time he comes to SA

[@malumachado4561]

It's not called the Woes Rand for nothing I guess.

[@kananelojama3637]

There’s something off

[@nathanvandermerwe]

There's more to this story. How the husband of the mastermind didn't know anything is beyond me.

[@MrFyeart]

@@nathanvandermerwe police are trained in selective cogniscence A global epidemic I think it's part of their training 'Look the other way-101'

[@Greeny_isthegoat]

Small town. Small minds

[@lawrencepetros4234]

Mariska mustve lived in Brakpan at some point in her life

[@jazzlee8291]

zero filter, I like her 😂 x

[@marioleeson6472]

JOSH , i watched the Tokkie interview. have you reached out to Yolandi and Ninja they are in CPT saw them with the klopse, to see what their side of this is

[@frederikbrits9559]

Shocking Marizka

[@michellebenson6486]

She is selfish.. she used him to make herself famous. And who in their right mind leaves their family for a murderer.. she's sick ..

[@abikruger8219]

“Mamma I’m in love with a criminal”

[@selenem3384]

she must like men in cages who she can mess with

[@Naldo4real]

😂😂😂

[@jacomouton9338]

The joke she made about very dead when talking about her relatives was so sick. This lady is extremely brainwashed. Saying Le Eoux has balls for comitting murder.

[@rielkesmit5742]

I love mariska ❤️‼️

[@wideawakepodcast]

She's awesome! 😂❤️

[@personofinterest8731]

She's very likeable and interesting.

[@vonickles5033]

She is real

[@robynvelthuysen5472]

Seriously insane to hear and try to understand. Especially from a moralistic stand point. Sorry but this just seems like a emotional roller.coaster that got way out of hand.

[@hollyturner8050]

Um. This woman is getting so excited about the way Jarod died. I knew Jarod Jackson. And he wasnt a homeless person, he was in recovery from drug abuse. And it is offensive how excited she is about his death. He was a person. With a girlfriend and he was going to be a father. He wasnt a nothing and nobody. She should be ashamed of herself for talking qbout Jarod like that. He was a very sweet and lovely person. I hope his family didnt have to hear the way she spoke about him. She needs to take a good look at herself. She is not exactly from the good side of the tracks, from Krugersdorp. Im disgusted

[@Greeny_isthegoat]

😢 That for me was the saddest part. He got sober and was going to be a daddy. A child doesnt have a father now

[@14thavenuehaunting]

GO MARIZKA! 💕💕

[@wideawakepodcast]

She's the best hey!!

[@jpcohen1881]

Steve Hamilton would be a great episode to do

[@jeanmeyer8194]

At the end of the day he did what he did and there are consequeces

[@selenem3384]

if they get babies, they are going to pass on murderer genes

[@charmainepriestman915]

@Mariska you have a beautiful heart dont let the world tell you any different 💛

[@AndreCillie]

Mariska doesn’t realise the impact these things had on her . Seek help

[@zubayrcharles9914]

Are they still dating ?

[@lukasvanderwesthuizen7893]

Kids dont drink and do drugs, Holy shit.....