Daughter of Murdered Parents is Found Over 40 Years Later | Holly Marie Clouse Case Analysis

This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Harold and Tina Clouse and their daughter Holly Marie Clouse?
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[@Isabeldelaluz]

I work for one of the companies involved in solving this case-so excited to see you covering the Clouse/Holly Marie case!! Thank you Dr Grande

[@briangarrow448]

I had some contacts with similar types as a young guy working in construction back in the late 70’s and early 80’s. They set off my weird alarms. I stepped back from them after I became suspicious about their leadership. Just bad vibes. I am willing to presume that many unsolved murder cases could be traced back to these religious groups.

[@sarahspencer1010]

I was briefly involved with them in the early 70's. The idealistic philosophy that everyone was loved, accepted, and that all was shared, no one left out, that it was "church," but free of the rules and hypocrisy of the traditional church, plus the marijuana and the great music - it definitely had a strong appeal. It attracted not only the "pure in spirit" seeking a better, truer life, but also scammers, druggies, cons, and the rejects and misfits of society - many because of mental illness. It pretty quickly became too scary and weird for me.

[@horrortackleharry]

@@nisselarson3227 'Separation of sexes' within pseudo-religious groups is usually just a rouse to break up pre-existing couples so that male leaders can have sex with as many women as possible.

[@bestbargainfashion5575]

MORE than likely!

[@brendawalker1913]

Thank you so much for sharing this information. Dean was my first cousin. Our family has only speculated what happened to his family for all these years . I am so thankful his mother is still alive and will soon be able to see Holly Marie.

[@brooklynbarbie6855]

Brenda thank you for sharing. I’m very sorry for the loss of your cousin. This sounds like a horrible thing for your family to go through but I’m very happy his mother is still alive so she can be reunited with Holly Marie. I’m sure she would love to see photos and hear stories only you all as the family can share. I wish you all peace and comfort in the days ahead 🌹❤️

[@PollyAlice2000]

Gosh, I’m so happy that your family has found Holly. Wow! What a situation!

[@barbramarshall9790]

I wouldn't rule out the family that raised her

[@coll4455]

Oh this just made me so happy!!! I hope some healing can happen for everyone involved. Thank you for sharing this!

[@coll4455]

@@barbramarshall9790 Holly was thankfully dropped off at a church and I’m sure she was put up for adoption from there. The family who adopted her would have nothing to do with this. Hens the reason he makes note in the video that the police have ruled them out.

[@evelynwilson1566]

This is absolutely tragic, just two young people exploring and trying things. This must be traumatic for all involved.

[@ala3765]

I think they returned the car to the family to make them think that they disappeared voluntarily and there is no need to look for them

[@garyjust.johnson1436]

What is truly bizzarr is that i am watching this video at the exact same time the local news broadcast this story! Bizzarr!

[@davidwartski7213]

I'm naming my next band Sister Susan & The Laundromat Babies.

[@Zaddy-Lu]

There was a story recently of a guy who stole a car with a baby inside, he returned the baby safely but kept the car. Maybe the person or people who killed the couple drew the line at killing an infant.

[@GenXfrom75]

Yeah, I thought that myself

[@JosannaMonik]

Good analogy indeed; although car thieves would not usually beat two people to death just for a car; seems extreme. I would do more research into that cult.

[@donnajanecastle4807]

Even though it is such a tragedy to learn her parents were murdered i hope it is of some comfort to her to know she wasn't given up because they didn't want her.

[@jvharbin8337]

Who else gets most of their topical news from Dr. Grande?

[@bthomson]

Me!

[@janey1red]

She may have known that she was adopted and decided to use a genealogy test to learn about her heritage. At that time, adoption agencies sealed information about the child unless the parent(s) gave specific instructions to allow the child to have it if requested when the adoptee became an adult. Because of these practices, the adoptive parents may not have known anything about her origins, either, especially if they had been applicants for a child through an adoption agency. Back then, mothers sometimes approached a church or a hospital to take a child that they could not care for. Even today in my state, a woman (the presumed mother) may surrender a child at a hospital or police agency, and the laws specifically forbid the hospital or police to ask anything about the presumed mother who is dropping off the child - even her name, the child's medical history, etc. The church probably turned the child over to the police or a hospital who arranged for the child welfare agency to arrange for the child's care until the child could be adopted properly. A court order would have been necessary to make the adoption legal and allow the child to get a social security number. Usually those procedures took a long time - years in some cases - to ensure that a thorough investigation to locate the child's family had been done. If something was as suspicious as this situation, child welfare would have been careful to rule out the possibility that the child had been kidnapped, to the extent that they were able. The Houston article stated that Sister Susan and friends had a birth certificate. That almost surely had to be falsified, because birth certificates contain the names of the parents and location of the birth. A legitimate birth certificate would have made it relatively easy to find information about the parents and their families. My guess is that Sister Susan claimed that Holly was born in a home birth and that the father was not known. Otherwise, the child welfare agency would have attempted to find the father. Without any information and no reports about a missing child somewhere, the child welfare agency would have been unable to find information about relatives, so they probably did the best that they could at the time, and chose a family that was seeking to adopt and who had already gone through the proper procedures. Even without computers and the tools we have today, child welfare would have been wary about this scenario and would have done what they could to find relatives for placing the child. Regarding the Jesus people or Jesus freaks - the ones you mention were certainly extreme. Most people in the "Jesus People" movement were youthful Pentecostal/charismatic types who wanted a more expressive and younger church than the staid old evangelical churches that they grew up in, especially since few of their parents' churches addressed the burning issues of the day, such as women's liberation, the war in VietNam, and civil rights. They were often found on college campuses, getting their degrees like everyone else, but going to prayer meetings, having Bible studies, and interpreting "church" in a less rigid way (with better music!). Many of those who called themselves Jesus people eventually formed or joined nondenominational churches that are now common everywhere. Only a minority of self-named "Jesus people" were these bizarre types. They usually formed a cult with a charismatic and dominating leader who enforced strict demands and was obsessed with the apocalypse. Eventually and thankfully, most of those groups collapsed, but they were very damaging while they existed.

[@romaineszabo7362]

The point here is that after her parents were found there must have been a missing child report.

[@marjorie546]

L

[@skyefirenails]

He specifically says that the police didn't identify the parents until this year. They had no idea they had a child. And the family had no idea the parents were dead, so they thought Holly was with her parents. No missing child report was issued.

[@thedanielstraight]

This was fantastic, Doctor. You had some great lines in this one. Thank you, I needed that after this week, lol.

[@maureeningleston1501]

"In a situation like this!!"...my head hurts trying to fathom this crime out. Maybe we need to get Columbo on the case

[@bthomson]

Trenchcoat , basket hound, invisible wife, never a pencil!

[@nadiazahroon6573]

Gives hope to other families who miss their loved ones.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

What an incredible case! Both families must be ecstatic at this time. This case may bring some hope for families of missing children. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this, always appreciated Dr. Grande.❤️

[@birdflipper]

The joke about the AMC Concord was epic 😂😂😂

[@manly4923]

Love the AMC description ! Informative and entertaining as always!

[@theunforgiven2885]

I feel like it was more likely they were murdered by this said religious group and then their daughter was abandoned. Can you imagine being the daughter all these years later she must have wondered who her parents were why they gave her up .All these questions and come to find out they were murdered thank you Dr. I have never heard of this case ❤️

[@kenmore01]

Murdered by a religious group? Unheard of! They are far too righteous.

[@dannlisa1764]

The AMC comment was therapy in itself. I laughed so hard I had to stop the video.

[@crazymimi6061]

So tragic, it would be like a tornado teering through your life. I hope Holy can find the answers and peace she needs.

[@skreemqueen7520]

What an interesting case. Always great work , Dr Grande.

[@natalielove83nl]

The laundromat thing got me lol

[@leylamoody3177]

What a crazy story! I'm so glad that Holly was reunited with her biological family. Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️

[@vicky2107]

You really set the bar for analyzing behavior in people. I think you and cactuses have something in common too. Anyway, I love and look forward to your sharing and speculating... I know I have an ally in this world when I watch your videos.

[@Desi365]

Weird story. Some pieces are missing, of course.

[@tigerlilysoma588]

Dr. Grande, could you write a rap that lasts for 3 minutes without repeating anything except the chorus? Thank you.

[@annazaman9657]

The cult members knew the couple were dead. Why would they have the baby and then abandon her if the parents were alive? Driving the car all the way back seems cuckoo to me.

[@sarahspencer1010]

They probably drove the car back for the $1,000...

[@annazaman9657]

@@sarahspencer1010 they could have sold it

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

Have you done a deep dive on cults? Would love a long video deep dive!!! Including a basic checklist those who think they're in a cult but not sure (they probably are lol) can use to check their situation.... Would be great to include how to deprogram. This used to be a thing in the eighties (referring to the professionals interviewed on the special "boys for sale" before it abruptly was pulled and after the one guy at least, was harassed to death at his college office!) this show is in my uploads years ago FYI... Great content as always! 💯😎👍💯

[@davidswubc]

I think that he has because he called them a religious movement instead of a cult. The term New Religious Movements is used more today instead of cults. There is a book called Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin, but it doesn’t list everything, nor could it. An online directory of new religious movements doesn’t cover everything either.

[@laurieb2296]

Horrific murders. Glad the baby was spared.

[@KB4QAA]

Why won't the police name the religious group? (National press reports they are withholding the name).

[@SG-nd9bf]

Christ’s Family. There u go

[@fidatoresource5868]

Thank you for your thoughtful speculations regarding this tragedy. I wonder if the group was covering for a rogue member- this sounds very consistent. The Jesus Movement had influence over all types of young people at the time. There was a similar group in the area that I grew up - they wore all of their clothes at the same time, the women walked behind the men, and they lived communally. They also stole from people’s gardens, not consistent with the Christian message, but a smaller detail than that whole false witness thing 🙄

[@michele21auntiem]

Is this your Friday shirt Dr. Grande?

[@sdsurfgirl60]

If only they drove a Gremlin, things might have been different.

[@lifecloud2]

I encountered a couple of Jesus People (as we called them) back in the early '70s in downtown Denver. They were actively recruiting people on the street (Colfax Street). My ex-husband and I lived nearby and often walked to and from a nearby grocery store. These people were also panhandling which was illegal in Denver at the time. The neighborhood we lived in were mostly hippies and native people. These people seemed harmless. They wore robes and were barefoot. I can't imagine that any of them would be violent. I wonder if it's more likely that someone in the group left the baby in the group's care and maybe gave them the car telling them they could sell it.

[@jaxbutterfly9186]

Real men wear pink.☺️ You pull it off exceptional well. It's evening here in Maui. Normally I spend a couple of hours in the mornings with your videos. They always start my day right. I had an Epiphany that listening to an evening video would uplift my dreams, so hear I am. I attribute it to your voice. The sound is so soothing that I always feel safe and at home in my soul. I also can trust your content to be honest and I can trust you and let my guard down. ( An unfortunate PTSD symptoms from a rough childhood.) Ah, I digress. I just really wanted to express my gratitude for providing me with daily fun with learning. Most of all for the sincere comfort you inspire in me. Lot of words. You make me feel home and safe. Definitely top shelf.

[@lizsteilkie]

Sometimes I have to stop the video and finish laughing or I can't go on ...

[@jessestewart169]

This is 1 mind blowing story.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

"Jesus Freaks". I'm old enough to remember this movement. Basically, christian hippies. Very loose, and diverse, group of movements. Most petered out, when they got bored. Some became more conventional, non-denominational congregations. At its height in the early to mid 1970s. Remember, the 60s ended in early 1973. That's when the cease fire, in Vietnam, between the US & North Vietnam, took effect. South Vietnam had to look out for itself, and fell in 1975. This is significant, because US involvement in the Vietnam War, heavily influenced US culture. Especially among the youth. Late 60s music was mostly protest music. When the US pulled out, the culture shifted. And the great music of the 60s and early 70s turned into DISCO ☹

[@tayejupa7589]

One member murdered a woman who he had a sexual relationship. He killed her for corrupting his values and he deemed her evil. It was a cold case that was resolved. They ride bikes and won't speak to you or try and spread religious doctrine but to live by example. They are to be abstinent and have no children. There are two in Yreka, CA. Very uneasy to be around. They just stare through you. I know they kill ex-members as fallen from grace.

[@mpalmer7800]

For sure they white Americans???

[@tayejupa7589]

Never seen one that wasn't. They tried to recruit me, cause I wasn't married or had children. I rode a bike and I practice the Christian faith. Freaks yes! Jesus no.

[@mostlyholy6301]

The fact the man was beaten to death suggests to me that this was some kind of ritual punishment, perhaps one that went to far. Getting your cultists to beat transgressors communally is a good way for a psychopathic cult leader to increase his hold over his thralls, it brings the community together in an act of "righteousness" and ofc it spreads the guilt among them all in case something goes wrong, for example if the victim of the beating dies.

[@ronaldschild157]

You just couldn't resist getting a dig in at American Motors Corporation (AMC), beginning @ 1:48. Just as an FYI, there are still AMC and Rambler fans out there - particularly for the AMX sport coupe. Mitt Romney's father, George, ran the company at one point too.

[@saskialolita]

Dr grande will you please cover the Holly Bobo murder?? Even tho 3 people were convicted there are so many details that just don’t add up and I’d love to get your take on it, particularly the investigation and trial. I haven’t seen anyone bring up all the troubling inconsistencies, the conflicting witness testimonies, and the many pieces of potentially exculpatory evidence that were seemingly ignored or disregarded… maybe I’m missing something but idk, I’m curious to hear your opinion on the case and whether or not you truly believe justice was served and the right people were convicted - personally I’m not so sure, tho I’d love to be proven wrong….

[@jackiemarsh2470]

Thank You So Very Much as Always Dr.! Have a Relaxing Evening!!🌵🌵🪴🦜🪴🌵🌵

[@mpalmer7800]

Dr I don’t have to enjoy your videos I like 👍 it b4 I start watching.

[@daveatkins3568]

No more Hawaiian shirts doc. Guess the party is over. Lol. Great video Doc

[@nika-pt2pl]

Can you please cover the case of Jayna Troxel Murray other know as Yoga store murders or Lululemon murder

[@birdworldist]

Yesss king go offff 💯

[@coll4455]

This is so sad. My brother is the same age as Holly 4 years older than me. I can’t even imagine it’s so sad. I believe the parents where murdered and that’s how holly was taken but this really doesn’t make a lot of sense. God I hope they find who ever did this.

[@antiquesrestoration3874]

Who else started hearing "Let 'Em In" by Wings in their head as soon as the good doc said, "Sister Susan"? 😆

[@constipatedinsincity4424]

You did a story a couple of months back. This guy killed a young girl and sold her daughter to his brother. His brother was in Texas . He killed the girl in Illinois and he told her family that she left.

[@ladymoonpurplem164]

The dad was handsome

[@tonybranton]

C’mon Doc, gives us a run down on your opinion on using pot. We know you have to have a stance on it with your vast experience in these areas inquiring minds Want To Know! With your wit and Unique approach to certain points in your evals, Im sure I’m not alone in wanting an episode dedicated to Vitamin “C”

[@lisasmith7]

I had an AMC. I agree with you.

[@annboholana5025]

Helo Dr.Grande Im from phillipines please analyze the murder case of The Maguad Siblings

[@99rylee]

So crazy. I just dont understand what goes on in the minds of murderers and what makes them do what they do. As kids I doubt they had any self control over their emotional state and were probably impulsive

[@tuppy]

Morning from 🇦🇺 Australia 😊

[@dammar117]

Giving away the child is not exculpatory evidence. Whoever murdered the parents might then be saddled with a child that they did not particularly want to keep, but not necessarily want to murder. So that's why they gave the child away. It's very easy to fathom, not exculpatory at all.

[@maureenkidd6629]

This case must have gone back to the cold case, as I'm unable to dig up anything on the internet.

[@hgrettgirl8374]

You did a good job with offering your different scenarios. It was interesting to listen to them. However, your statements on the Jesus movement is incorrect. This particular movement was a cult and not a part of the Christian Religon. Like most cults, they pick and choose various parts of another religon and make up their own religion. Your blog is quite offensive to people who are Christians and not apart of a cult such as these people. I would have given you a thumbs-up if it were not for this misinformation.

[@sammyandoliver7522]

I don't think it's offensive. If people who belong to 12 step programs can make up their higher power to whoever they want it to be and take stuff from different religions than why can't cults? I remember all those cults of the old days and the deprogrammers. I had forgotten all about them until this video. I think religion can be very dangerous and destructive at times. That's why I always liked to come to church at the last minute, sit in the end pew and be the first to leave as soon as it's over without talking to anyone. It's safer that way and you don't get mixed up with any wacko people or doctrine.

[@renee1961]

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[@BeesWaxMinder]

Would you consider reviewing the case of Billie-Jo Margaret Jenkins, please & whether her father IS her abusive Killer?

[@staybent9380]

Thanks Dr. Hope this case reveals their killers, would love to know Holly’s adopted procedures and how questions weren’t raised. Also, have to say as a “preachers kid” in the non denominational evangelical movement, I am so proud to now be an atheist at 55 years old! Religion ravaged my body and soul. So many corrupt people ruin lives in a tax free money hungry society that believe they are above the law. I have witnessed the worst and renounce all religious practices. The IRA in Ireland has destroyed lives, the Muslim extremists, the Catholic Church makes me want to vomit with their salacious scandals and the list goes on. Religion is war, without it there will be peace.

[@Sforeczka]

I had one of those AMCs. It sucked.

[@anonygrazer3234]

11:32 No, sadly, Holly Clouse _doesn't_ have a lot of information to process...she has a lot of blanks to come to grips with.

[@Lexojoso]

Me living in Florida and also lost my father when I was young 😬😬😬😬😬😂

[@Laura-tp8wz]

I am so sorry.

[@pou618]

Was the child sold like the car?

[@judepower4425]

The care was RETURNED, not sold: this is stated several times

[@pou618]

@@judepower4425 They wanted a "donation" of $1000 to return it.

[@zbig4595]

Cults are not spirituality, more as second hand garments, perpetuating a common street hustle bordering human trafficking.

[@icturner23]

Your exculpatory logic makes no sense. The murderer(s) might easily have killed the parents for reasons unrelated to the child and not wanted to kill her even though they didn’t want to keep her either. And dropping off both the baby and the car might have been done by different people to those who committed the murders. All of them could still be from the same cult, and the non-murdering ones might have been told lies about the couple’s whereabouts. So evidence in favour of certain cult members being innocent is not evidence in favour of the cult in general being uninvolved.

[@sweeabn6736]

That gal may not want to be in the public eye and so she doesn't say stuff, but I bet she has talked about it forever to people close to her.

[@m.f.richardson1602]

Weird preachy story. Ah, I remember those good old Jesus freaks days Humor is outstanding. Thank you. Peace 💕🇺🇲

[@frankiehinzman8835]

Hmm.. What about serial killer John Robinson? He murdered Lisa Stasi, then took Lisa's baby and gave it to his brother, pretending he had managed to find them a baby to adopt.

[@BurroGirl]

Do we know how the people who raised Holly obtained her? Did they pay money for a supposed adoption fee? Were they just given the baby no questions asked?

[@sally8712]

Maybe Dean and Holly didn't want separation from their daughter, fought for her, and died/murdered.

[@bigbird2240]

No one asked the people how that acquired a random baby ? How did they know her name ? Did she have a birth certificate?

[@Omegan613]

It's quite possible Holly did a dna test to find out who her biological parents were, as many adoptees do. Otherwise, a baby with unknown identity dropped off at a church would be close to impossible to find.

[@bigbird2240]

How the hell did the baby just end up with someone and not have a birth certificate etc

[@ZYX84]

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[@cottontails9003]

Hello, Vonna , hope you are okay. Noah gurgling, hi too you.

[@ZYX84]

@@cottontails9003 Yeah that’s what I’m talking about in a language I can understand! I’m doing pretty darn good over here on the left coast🌊 I’m pretty certain I was robbed at the fuel station, other than that the weather is good… I complain about the over 6 to 7 bucks a gallon for diesel 🧟it’s crazy…I can imagine you guys are feeling it too… you and yours give the best you have to each other and that’s all that matters..🌺🌱🌺My mom used to Josh around with me a lot and say stop complaining Vonna, this is no dress rehearsal! I know it’s not original but it’s true. 🌺Just enjoy every day Cottontails☁️🌺☁️🌺☁️🌺☁️🌺☁️🌺☁️🌺

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Yes, giving a child away and returning a car to the family are usually good ways to get caught but this was the early eighties; given this was only just solved, their confidence was not misplaced.

[@irenemax3574]

Yes! And there is the possibility that they asked each other: How would an innocent person behave in this situation? Well, obviously return the car for example…

[@16voyeur]

Exactly. I think the "Jesus people" are guilty. They may assumed that returning the car would be the actions of an ostensibly innocent and good hearted group of people.

[@lisabelle7553]

…and, these are crazy cult members, so not know to have the best logic.

[@JosephKulik2016]

This just looks to me like another case of a family who couldn't be bothered by trying to find out what really happened to their missing loved one. Whatever happened with the Jesus Freaks and the car, that was 40 years ago !!! Did NO One try to find out what happened to their family members in 40 years ??? The FBI has a nationwide database of "unidentified persons", Doe corpses who have never been identified. The BIGGEST Reason for this database is that NO One ever filed a missing person report on these people with the cops. Two unidentified corpses just 140 miles from where the couple went missing was not a hard connection to make even in 1980. if a missing person report had been filed and if the family followed up. I've seen so many American cases over the years where a family member just walks away and their family doesn't even seem to notice. How do you like THOSE "family values" ???

[@MichaelBuck]

I agree but then again the MONEY motivation is a big reason to murder someone. No matter what you believe when money enters the picture anything can happen, even with so-called good people. Also, there was NO internet back at that time, so how did the cult members know who to contact in reference to the car? Maybe they found the registration in the glove compartment? Or maybe from Deans wallet or his wife's purse? The timing of everything is very important. $1,000 in 1980 is worth $3,547.28 today, so a far amount of money that would be of great value to a nomadic cult with little to now money. Back then the cult wanted people to turn over everything to the movement to divide evenly to all members, perhaps Dean and his wife did not want to give up everything and so they were murdered for it. I hope somone from that cult comes forward with knowledge of what happened. Especially as to the timing of when the baby was found and the car was returned, and any police report in Florida.

[@jeffsilverman6104]

Ha! Looking for parts that fell off the car in comfort! Doctor Grande, you need to put together a stand-up routine, you've got the best straight faced humor! With something as serious as psychiatric analyses, and the crimes you cover perpetrated by the worst of human monsters, I'm so glad you found a great way to infuse humor into it. There has to be levity and humor, regardless of the facts of the case. If not, then we're all in trouble. Thank you for everything you do for all of us.

[@margaretpolard4724]

Stop it with the monsters. People are born with their mental illness. We need universal health care

[@tangerinefizz11]

And he always says it with a deadpan expression!

[@lindanicola]

Very well said, Jeff. Thank you Dr. Grande ⚘

[@jeffsilverman6104]

@@tangerinefizz11 He's kinda like the comic, Steven Wright. Perfect deadpan delivery.

[@sross54]

Dr. Grande you are savage 😈

[@pl-mn2ro]

Holly was found on June 7 2022 her father’s birthday (June 7 1960)

[@jennb9730]

Amazing 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@annal7364]

If I were Holly, I would be heartsick to find out my parents were murdered. Whether you remember them or not, they are a link to self; they are the reason you exist. It would be very painful knowledge to have. My heart goes out to her.

[@AaaaNinja]

It's a little hard to imagine how one would feel because did you actually grow up with and know your parents?

[@annal7364]

@@AaaaNinja No-I actually did not. I was adopted at four months and never knew my birth parents, but to find out later in life that they were brutally murdered would be difficult whether you “grew up with and knew them” or not. If you’re any kind of human with a heart, you would be sad to learn that anyone suffered a violent murder, let alone the people responsible for your existence. So for me, it is not hard to imagine. To challenge someone’s personal feelings based on assumptions you have about his or her circumstance is ignorant and discourteous.

[@bthomson]

Anna - 😘😓🙏👍💗💎🦄🐥🐦🐇🕊

[@colorbugoriginals4457]

understandable, of course. Plus she was kidnapped from them, so they both were obviously caring for her, she was loved by them.

[@ebonybryant8553]

Learning about this case has led me to the conclusion that a storyline from Chicago PD was probably based on this. On that episode there was a murder of a husband n wife that led them back to a similar case from 30+years before. Another couple was murdered n their 4 or 5 yr old son escaped. They attempted to find out the facts but didn't think the boy was telling them actual true events n thought he was dumped by neglectful/ abusive parents. They located one of the original child psychologist who said back then the boy didn't behave like an abused kid. Everyone else had written him off n DNA wasn't what it is today. They were able to solve the case with the help of the now fully grown husband n father. I won't go any further in case someone wants to watch it. If you're interested I'll give the episode info.

[@sarahspencer1010]

Sad but interesting story! I well remember the "Jesus" movement. I was 20 in 1971, attended a few of their street meetings and "coffee houses" in the early 70's, and, very briefly, was friends with some of the members. It was a "hippies meet Jesus" atmosphere, with love and acceptance for everyone, food and marijuana freely shared, flop pads for those in need - no rules, no questions asked, and good music. There were some genuinely well-intentioned members, but unsurprisingly with the availability of drugs and a "we share everything/mi casa es su casa" philosophy, it also attracted a lot of scammers, free-loaders, criminals, societal misfits, mentally ill, and some just really strange people - too strange for me, even as a 20 y/o "cool" kid. I think you're right - that the crime was committed by one rogue "member", and the others tried to cover for them, and "do the right thing" by returning the car ans finding a home for the child. I can't imagine what the poor daughter is going through. As always, I love your humor!!!

[@bestbargainfashion5575]

I think the grandfather is right that the boy died trying to defend his wife and daughter. They were probably solicited for membership, refused and were ambushed for their car and baby - here's a thought, they may have tried to SELL the baby; they may have done this many times since Sister Susan admitted she had given up a baby somewhere else before...

[@georgemacdonell2341]

@@JCPJCPJCP you hadda be there

[@SG-nd9bf]

How did the “flop pads” work? Would you just ask anyone for sex and they would oblige?

[@LiverpoolGarden]

Please do a follow up video if more information comes to the surface. This is a mystery. Thank you.

[@jvharbin8337]

"Their baby dropping skills were so renowned"- God Damn Dr. Grande!!!😂😂😂

[@ZYX84]

His mind… I love it… Who else would go there like that but it’s so innocent yet still many levels of wrongness! 😳🤣 The best doctor on the KZbin.. how is it that he can tell these whacked stories but still put me at such rest and ease?🤨. He seems like such a gentleman too🌱

[@cathywithac3793]

There's nothing more frustrating than when law enforcement shrugs and does nothing despite a family's firm belief that there's been foul play.

[@almostatami]

Right! It's legit one of those jobs where procrastination/laziness is inexcusable.

[@sabrinatscha2554]

You’d think the least they could do is try to track down the women who dropped the baby off

[@anonygrazer3234]

And the family even notified the police of the "kind offer" to return the car for $$$ so the cops _knew_ they were coming yet did absolutely _NOTHING_ 1) BE there when the Jesus freaks arrived, or 2) perform any kind of verification that unrelated total strangers are telling family 2 missing adults supposedly wanted nothing to do with their families ever again...based on 3rd party hearsay & hearsay's not even allowed in _court_ generally so why would cops accept it from strangers? It's _beyond_ lazy & inept.

[@georgewagner7787]

Not making excuses but im not sure how old you are? 40 years ago everything was really different. Imagine: no nationwide database, no internet, cell phones unheard of. Police work was not like today

[@mariamarlow3205]

In the mid 1970’s my ex-husband was interested in joining commune group which I had no desire or intention of doing. We went to one such place and the first thing they did was take my infant daughter away from us. I couldn’t wait to get her back and left there as fast as I could that night. These groups like to separate couples and children. I assume Dean was trying to protect his wife and child when the couple was murdered. I’m so happy Holly was physically unharmed but emotional her will be traumatized by this news.

[@bestbargainfashion5575]

It's WAY more common than people think! They have members lure normal people near with all kinds of ruses.

[@SG-nd9bf]

Was this in Texas? And do you remember what the group was called? I wonder if it was the same group. I’m trying to support my theory as to what happened. If you could give me any info on this group, as well as disclose whether this group operated in AZ, CA, and/or TX, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

[@mariamarlow3205]

@@SG-nd9bfSorry. It was in Pennsylvania near Philadelphia and I don’t remember the name of the group. Good luck on your research.

[@nikkibest5010]

Removing the children from parents was how the Manson family operated as well. No freaking way would I let that happen!

[@lizsays3324]

A group of barefoot wandering religious oddballs. It doesn't sound like planning was in their skill set. The theory that some members went rogue, committed the murders, and the others cleaned up the mess, not even thinking about the possibility of getting caught, is the likeliest one.

[@srsusansummers3070]

My name is Sister Susan and I had nothing to do with this mystery 😃

[@suelee637]

Aha Sr Susan, so you say... suspicious name though. Probably why I go by "Sue".

[@angtxsun4460]

So sad for this young couple. Thank you for speculating over this case, Dr. Grande. We could use some good news, and Holly can now begin to process some answers and gain her real name.

[@Traderjoe]

I laughed so loud at the idea of driving in utter comfort while searching for parts that had fallen off the AMC Concord

[@imaginempress3408]

The leprosy of the Concord was second only to the flammability of the Ford Pinto.

[@nicoleb4077]

Me too! Lol made my day! The way Dr.Grande just deadpans into the camera while saying the most hilarious stuff ... 🤣

[@redstarseed514]

Ahhhhh. Thanks for clarifying. I didn’t realized it was a joke. I remember hearing that and saying …uh??? And then shrug and then mentally saying…..next. As you can see I know next to nothing about cars.

[@imaginempress3408]

@@redstarseed514 all you need to picture is pieces of it all over the highway and that should give you a giggle.

[@redstarseed514]

@@imaginempress3408 Now that I understand, it is rather silly. Thanks again

[@jodievukmir3187]

Seriously... Their baby drop off skills were so good they even can do the laundromat oh my gosh you made an otherwise wicked day so much better thank you!

[@leamacleod5903]

No body does dry and catty like dr. G🏆🥇

[@gatordragon8824]

I hope they at least told her she was adopted, otherwise that is a lot to process. I'm adopted from within my family, I know my birth mother; growing up she was my aunt. I learned who she actually was when I was college, but I always knew I was adopted, I never had any issues with it. However, the identity of my birth father is a mystery. My "aunt" isn't sure who it is. So somewhere out there, a man has a brilliant daughter he doesn't know about. I've seen some of her previous boyfriends. I don't feel compelled to go looking for him, I feel like it would end in a story like this. At best, it would give me a new set of intoxicated extended relations to apologize for. Right? Internet, tell me I'm right to not ever look for this person.

[@Mama_Bear524]

I don’t think you’re wrong. I’m tempted to do the ancestry thing. I’m not adopted but I know my family has some skeletons and I’m not sure I want to know any more of them. I think it’s deeply personal and you have to be ready to handle the can of worms you’re opening. I’m not.

[@celesteshenas2155]

You could have some really wonderful, brilliant cousins. That would be cool.

[@sisuguillam5109]

Do what works for you. Do what makes you feel safe and whole. You matter here, no one else. You do not need to know who fathered you - you are complete.

[@RebekaTarn]

You might get a feeling of “finality” from knowing who they are, but most probably it is not going to be someone you would be proud of. They might even try to leech off of you if they see that you are better off than them, financially. So, tread with care. Maybe get to know them without them knowing who you are?

[@tinalewis6782]

Older lady opinion here: I would suggest you either take the DNA test to know for sure or else make the firm decision to not think about it anymore and go on with your life. I had some doubts about my family, too, and took the DNA test and I'm glad I did. No more doubts. But I could have also decided to look ahead and not behind and live my life. (I'll add that I don't have any family medical history concerns that would lead me to take a DNA test, just ancestral ones.). So I advise that you choose - and be accepting of your choice whether or not to pursue it or leave it all behind. I wish you all the best. ❤

[@grumpyoldlady_rants]

I wonder how they identified Holly? Had she registered her DNA with a genealogy site?

[@DankDragon62]

Yes I'm pretty sure

[@pitbull7885]

I dont know. we will soon how all this came about. I bet she will do an interview kinda like jaycee dugard did

[@truthhurts2879]

Or.... Maybe a confidential informant notified the police of her?...

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

Aren't there numerous situations where a person is expected to provide a birtcertificate and while legally good documents of an adoption may be sufficient I'd guess a grown up would wonder?

[@annaryan4803]

I realize that there is no way to prove this. Perhaps one of the group members was baby sitting baby Holly. Then, when her parents did not return they gave her away. Of course, we may never know.

[@herbwitch5681]

That was my thought, too. Maybe they were sent to buy drugs and just never came back. Or, perhaps Dean objected to being separated from his wife and daughter at the last minute. Some of these groups didn’t react well to people wanting to leave the group, especially if they wanted their stuff back

[@mostlyholy6301]

No, the cult murdered the parents. People who are convinced they are morally righteous are capable of extreme acts of evil.

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

@@herbwitch5681 I was thinking something similar though I think it may have been the wife/mother who may have rejected to go with the group when realising the terms for it. She was pregnant already when they married which of course may have been for religious decency or similar, but by that I find it strange that she relatively short time afterwards would reject the basic material standard to support the infant with "Oh, but just do away with the baby and get a nomadic lifestyle with outher women". If Dran previously had been involved with the group but not comitted (after all he got married) for him it may have perhaps been a solution if they had difficulties making financial ends meet?

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

Hopefully there will be some answers to what happened. Even if not sufficient to put someone to trial due to the time passed but hopefully there are some people who may have left the sect who may know about whether the were abusive practices within the sect itself or ifthere was a tendency to be overly forgiving and looking the other way if individuals within the sect were abusive, the typical reasons to why people decide to leave?

[@Plantbliss]

Maybe whoever killed her parents couldn’t bring themselves to kill an infant? Such a strange story.

[@ferguson8143]

Or maybe the parents where told to comply and no harm will come to that child's head and the first to go was the dad then mother followed shortly after

[@DavidDeeble]

I thought this would finally be the video in which Dr. Grande says “Now moving to my analysis: what the fuck happened here?”

[@lthompson5017]

The communes were only against their member's having possessions ~ not the elders, who profited greatly. Selling a child? Who knows.

[@Drelam]

They look like a nice couple, hope their case is solved eventually.

[@mostlyholy6301]

They took a baby on a hippy road trip, they were terrible parents.

[@Drelam]

@@mostlyholy6301 Hippie road trips were pretty common back then, I don't know if I'd say they were any more terrible parents then some poverty stricken family that goes to church and donates money they cant afford which is much more common and is still going strong.

[@ailleananaithnid2566]

@@mostlyholy6301 That’s really judgmental of you. How do you know they were “terrible parents?” They sound poor, that doesn’t make them terrible anything. Talk about blaming the victims. Churches are great at exploiting poor people.

[@ailleananaithnid2566]

@@Drelam EXACTLY! I have more trouble with the churches that exploit people and take their money than the people exploited.

[@PrissyHippie]

I'm curious to know how they found Holly. I wonder if she had done one of those home DNA test?

[@didamnesia3575]

I hope you are doing well Dr G! Where are you getting all those great Hawaiian shirts? Take care. I hope you get a vacation

[@crabofchaos7881]

I'm also thrilled about those shirts, but I'd like to know what they m e a n. Probably nothing, but there could be some meaning.

[@Hollypenopepper]

​@@crabofchaos7881 Don't think too hard about it. You might blow a gasket. 🤯