David-CA | Expansion Only Occurs With Outside Force | Talk Heathen 06.44

[@Cgjcnj201]

I did 17 hours of research and found out that David is wrong

[@mads2357]

Oh see that's the problem, had you stoped at 16 you'd understand /s

[@lovesjersey]

I did 7 hours, but my sources were 3x better than your sources, so it's really like I did 21 hours.

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

17 whole hours? Is there even enough knowledge to fill that time?

[@andyjoubert9410]

​😮😮

[@TrippyKenpachi]

But was it *cursory?*

[@DarkManSonian]

My heart dropped when he compared the vacuum of outer space is the same as a vacuum cleaner....

[@implemagician]

You got Dunning-Kruger Effect in my Poe's Law. No you got Poe's Law in my Dunning-Kruger Effect.

[@janicebeams4809]

You are definitely a candidate for the Dunning Kruger finals.

[@lovesjersey]

Two great tastes that taste great together.

[@queuecee]

12:52 The look on Cynthia's face when David claimed he was on a higher plane than actual physicists.😂😂😂

[@MarcDrt71]

Want to fill a balloon with negative pressure? Our lungs do it at each and every breathe.

[@scottc1857]

Yes and we're getting towards a point where vacuum aerostats could actually be doable

[@lovesjersey]

The thing I kept thinking about whenever he mentioned the balloon was scale: the fact that you can change the pressure inside of a balloon is due to the empty space between the molecules that comprise the air. Also, those molecules are made of atoms that are essentially a given amount of volume of mostly empty space. So, yeah, we don't experience a vacuum in a balloon, but if we shrank down to the size of, say, an electron, our point of view would be that there is an endless amount of vacuum.

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

Ah, yes, the "It can't be that way because I say so" argument. Truly undeniable. Also, he must be right, because he started his sentence with "Physics says..." and everyone knows that's how science be do.

[@paulmadryga]

9:50 - David, by his own admission, has done "16 hours of cursory research".....? DUNNING-KRUGER ALERT!!!!!!!

[@meloveAi]

Don't worry, he's gonna get his paper published and peer-reviewed by kindergartners.

[@VonPatzy]

All I can focus on is Thriller jacket. I’ve never seen Cynthia before but now I need to know more! Also something about balloon vacuums.

[@brucewilliams4152]

I am.assuming David is going the send his paper to peer review and win a Nobel prize since he is the only person who.understands this

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

Nope! He's going to log on his Janice Beams account and say stupid things to an actual physicist. It'll be hilarious! 🤣

[@janicebeams2389]

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Do you have any questions?

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

@@janicebeams2389 ☝️ it took 5 days, but there's the proof.

[@shanewilson7994]

@@janicebeams2389 I have questions David, why should your basic research into cosmology have any more weight than the experts who have put tends of thousands of hours of research into it when you don't even know you can easily inflate a balloon with a vacuum cleaner because you don't even know how they function.

[@janicebeams2389]

@@shanewilson7994 Because I obviously know what I am talking about and it supports the Bible because it is true.

[@chuckybang]

I've inflated balloons with a vacuum cleaner, what does that prove? It proves you can inflate a balloon with a vacuum. No more, no less. Oh david

[@janicebeams2389]

Try this experiment: Inflate a balloon with helium, hydrogen, a few pumps of lithium grease and a low heat LED light inserted in the orifice and then document how long it takes before a vacuum is formed and gravity can unify matter into solar systems and planetary elipses. Let me know how long it takes. Keep accurate records.

[@shanewilson7994]

@@janicebeams2389 lol way to not only move the goal posts, but move them to an entirely different field.

[@jamieoshea1681]

@@janicebeams2389try keep your uneducated mouth shut David.

[@ren17x50]

I love how Cynthia says, "oh Wow!"

[@janicebeams4809]

Cynthia would rather put her faith in an expert liar than David, who is obviously on a higher level than the experts because David can actually back up his cosmology with physics. When David said your scientific expertise, he meant atheists put their faith in bad science and claim they think critically which is impossible for all atheists.

[@shanewilson7994]

Inflate a balloon with a vacuum cleaner? I can do that easily.

[@janicebeams2389]

Pure genius.

[@shanewilson7994]

@@janicebeams2389 no David, its just knowing how a vacuum cleaner works. Unlike you, I understand the basics of physics.

[@jamieoshea1681]

@@janicebeams2389unlike you David.

[@SAWhowhatnow]

The universe isn't a balloon. That's all they had to say to refute his experiment.

[@kevintanner7932]

Man Cynthia nailed the MJ look

[@saikoakuma]

Oh dear, David has been playing with his dosages again.

[@janicebeams4809]

He has gone from 2 cups of coffee to sometimes 4 a day. We're working on the correct dosage.

[@lukasmontenegro3558]

As a physicist, it is always surprising to me how we study so hard and for so long until developing some cautious understanding of nature's laws, but guys like him speak with such a confidence of things like "dark matter and dark energy don't exist" or "you need some elastic barrier outside the universe". It's a truly gobsmacking phenomena that half an hour of internet research can give one such arrogance to talk about things HE HAS NO CLUE ABOUT!

[@janicebeams2389]

Peter Pan is real. Prove me wrong. That's no different than dark matter or dark energy.

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

As another physicist, I'm not sure if you are aware that Janice is the 58 year old uneducated AC repairman "David A Newman", aka a David -CA. And yeah, his Crippling Dunning-Krugerism is extreme.

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

@@janicebeams2389 Peter Pan IS real-you can find it in the peanut butter aisle.

[@a1612]

totally agree and social media gives these idiots a forum to pontificate on their nonsense

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

There is no 'outside' of the universe. It's all universe, all the way down.

[@channingdeadnight]

It's not the CMB that we use to measure the expansion of the universe. We use changing spectrum of light from stars. Specifically red-shift. The same doppler effect we experience with sound. The change of pitch as objects travel towards us or away from us is also found in the properties of light. Stars and galaxies expanding away from us red-shift or change progressively towards infrared or the "redder" part of the spectrum stars coming towards us shift towards the ultraviolet part of the spectrum or blue-shift. Since everywhere we look everything is red-shifted and the farther away the farther shifted objects are we can tell not only the the universe is expanding but that expansion is accelerating.

[@benjaminmadrigalperez9010]

But that is not PHYSICS!!!!! My god that is creating a elastic barrier tha would prevent the expantion on the other hand its totally scientific and PHYSICS enough.

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@benjaminmadrigalperez9010 HAHAHA! Oh You Serious!? HAHAHA!

[@benjaminmadrigalperez9010]

@@guytheincognito4186 no, sorry. I'm making fun of logic of the caller.

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@benjaminmadrigalperez9010 I know. I'm just quoting J Jona Jameson from Spiderman. I find that line most befitting as a response here. 👍💁‍♂️

[@channingdeadnight]

@@benjaminmadrigalperez9010 lol ok I was worried for a moment there.

[@The5armdamput33]

"Can you expand a balloon with a vacuum cleaner?" - Do you really think that the universe is a balloon, or that the vacuum of space is a vacuum cleaner???

[@janicebeams4809]

What is it?

[@austinaxley81]

He's treating space as something physical that needs energy to move and expand, but that's not necessarily the case. It is the METRIC that is expanding.

[@hockeylvr42]

David is the only person who can know and do physics right I’d also bet $100 that David could not tell me newtons second law of physics off the top of his head

[@janicebeams2389]

You would lose the bet because David is smart enough to use Google, but David is also smart enough to know that the big bang is not supported by physics without employing Newton's 2nd Law of Motion. David rightly assumes you are referring to momentum, which has nothing to do with Genesis of the cosmos but errantly incorporated into big bang fiction along with fraudulent mathematics which proposes highly delusional claims of exponential increases in velocity of expansion based on absolute creative lying. David has never been trained in physics and you correctly assumed he doesn't know the laws of Newton and that is absolutely true, but David doesn't need to know Newton or his laws because David understands that everything about the metaphysics of the cosmos is supernatural and has nothing to do with physics. The big bang is purely a theistic postulate with no support within physics, but completely possible by an outside force or Deity, though completely impossible by any physical mechanism.

[@TrippyKenpachi]

13:03 Cynthia’s pitying, “David…” The momentary speechlessness. 😂😂😂 The stifled laughter barely hidden under the gentle, concerned tone of her voice. 😭😭😭 David and his Goliath sized delusion and self aggrandizement. 🤦🏾‍♀️😂

[@MeowingStar314]

I spent more time in two weeks learning about physics in college than his 16 hours of cursory research.

[@janicebeams2389]

And you still cannot prove you understand physics.

[@billmcavoy5056]

@@janicebeams2389 : at its most basic definition, physics is concerned with the nature and properties of matter and energy … I don’t get your comment though, as the caller (David) obviously has an extremely poor level of education, and not even a basic understanding of physics. This is evident from his opening comment that there is ‘zero pressure in space’. So do you believe David or not? Edit: Ah, you’re a troll account 😂 … bye then 👋

[@janicebeams2389]

@@billmcavoy5056 How is pressure created in space?

[@janicebeams2389]

@@billmcavoy5056 Space has zero pressure. The CMB is equal across the entire cosmos and it cannot radiate. Therefore, it creates no pressure against the outer barrier. Sunlight hasn't hit the outer barrier and since matter is concentrated in the gravitational wells, there is no way the CMB or sunlight can create pressure.

[@shanewilson7994]

@@janicebeams2389 dude, you're literally using arguments on filling things on earth, with an actual atmosphere pushing down on everything and comparing it to the expansion of the universe where that isn't the same case.

[@James-ye7rp]

Actually, if you fill a helium balloon just enough to get it to float, when it goes up it expands, GREATLY, to the point where the balloon will actually explode. Not just physics, but scientific method usage.

[@TheGrungy1]

This dude has 0 idea what he is gibbering about. Not the science or theology.

[@richardp7116]

16 hours of research = expert. LMAO

[@queuecee]

Come on now, she really knows what she's talking about. She apparently studied HVAC for a couple of years.😂

[@deejayRavien]

You could easily inflate a balloon with a vacuum. Simply place the balloon on the exhaust end of the vacuum... Hardly a difficult task.

[@shanewilson7994]

Yup, and you'd think a HVAC repair tech, like David is, would at least know the very basics of that.

[@matthall4265]

I love the Macho Man outfit. Where's Elizabeth lol

[@mac10ner]

What a sad little man. He still lives with his parents I bet

[@shanewilson7994]

He honestly probably isn't competent enough to live out on his own, so I think him living at home with his parents is a good thing because he clearly needs a guardian. And this isn't knocking on people with issues, everyone has them and we all need different levels of support. And David obviously needs a guardian to care for him.

[@adriangeh6414]

David knows stuff because he 'does his own research', like antivaxxers...

[@kyleepratt]

I wish for 1 hour I could look over the shoulder of someone doing their own research like this. I would die from horror, but if I live streamed it it might be worth it to society at large.

[@matthall4265]

This dude has called in many times lol

[@suburban-vampire]

Just leaving a comment about how David is super cool and clever and definitely not stupid LOL

[@jonsmith7659]

16 hours of KZbin videos and social media posts. Same as any other expert on anything. Why not publish your findings and get a Nobel prize.

[@owenritz1224]

David is very impressed with his own limited knowledge. He needs to do 16 hours of cursory research into Dunning Kruger.

[@janicebeams2389]

All David needs to do to research Dunning Kruger is read the AXP videos comments and listen to atheists express their lack of knowledge.

[@cindyrobinson5028]

@@janicebeams2389 David, your 16 hours research hasn’t even begun to scratch the surface of what study you’d need to put in to even understand physics questions. You have no great knowledge of the subject, which you make very clear, let alone out-think anyone with the real skills. You just embarrass yourself.

[@janicebeams2389]

@@cindyrobinson5028 Why do you think the elite astronomers and physicists do not challenge me?

[@shanewilson7994]

I mean, hell, I've spent probably 1000+ hours doing photography, another 2000+ or so hours doing editing, on top of doing research on photography, and I don't even consider myself an expert in photography. Yet 16 hours for David is he can overturn everyone else even though he doesn't even understand what the experts are saying.

[@shanewilson7994]

@@janicebeams2389 *Why do you think the elite astronomers and physicists do not challenge me?* Why do you think Mike Tyson doesn't challenge me to boxing? You aren't even a novice, you aren't worth their time.

[@bunnymustard]

The more details the caller brings up about (his interpretation of) the big bang theory, the clearer it becomes that he has absolutely no friggin clue about the big bang theory. He filled up the entire bingo board with the most common misinterpretations, fallacies, and straight up lies about the big bang. Dunning-Kruger to the absolute max.

[@leongkhengneoh6581]

David spent 16 hours studying cosmology but whole life-time studying bullshitology

[@jwiderstra]

Expansion - not like blowing up a balloon, that would increase pressure. Pressure is near zero, near vacuum so imagine a completely transparent box and all six sides can grow or shrink. Inside the box is basically empty, or not, but you mark/ calibrate a pressure of sorts in this closed system. Shrink the sides of the box, pressure increases. Grow the sides of the box, pressure decrease. Not "vacuum"ing anything out. Not blowing up a balloon. **this was only a visual, in not a physicist, but I've done significantly more than 16 hours at sofa university**

[@2thousand336]

David isn't just nuts, he's a limb on the tree😂! Smdh!

[@suburban-vampire]

How is David alive? The negative pressure from the gigantic void inside his skull should have collapsed and absorbed his whole body by now, but he's still alive. It's a miracle.

[@L_o_c_a_l_G_u_y]

Sad thing is, I'm sure there are things that I'm probably David-sure I'm right about. I just haven't said them out-loud with such blind confidence (...yet).

[@richjback]

But physics is easy, a child could understand it- and make claims that there’s no possible way a universe can expand without a god. Especially so if they’ve done some cursory research

[@jaanrett]

You're comparing the universe expanding in negative pressure to a balloon expanding with negative pressure while it's being pressured by positive pressure surrounding it, and you think you've found a flaw in physics? He was right to point out Dunning Kruger here.

[@janicebeams2389]

You have missed the point. If you claim expansion, you are claiming a theistic postulate where space is created in a non-physical realm. If you claim space expands in a vacuum, then your claim of expansion is moot. You are just saying there is infinite space in which to expand which isn't possible. Where did the vacuum come from?

[@jaanrett]

@@janicebeams2389 Expansion of the universe has nothing to do with theism. Sorry. And a vacuum is an absence of pressure. It comes from an absence of pressure. It sounds like you're learning science from an anti science source.

[@janicebeams2389]

@@jaanrett How did the big bang make a vacuum? Expansion equals theism.

[@janicebeams2389]

@@jaanrett I learn science the same way you do, by reading. I don't need others to think for me. I think for myself and I am at the highest level. I overturned the big bang with 16 hours of cursory research.

[@Farce13]

@@janicebeams2389 space is not being created. The space between existing matter is expanding. You don't know nearly as much as you claim to, as evidenced by your own ignorant statement

[@cmack17]

Jesus sustains the cosmos. Yeah? As opposed to who? His dad?

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

Jesus sustains only bullsh%t, for 2,000 years and counting. When will humanity finally awaken from it's feverish religious nightmares?

[@mikeekim242]

The narcissism.

[@johnredman4568]

Magnetism am magic.

[@Brammy007a]

Ignorance + Arrogance = David

[@stumpy1146]

Space is a NEAR perfect vacuum, not a perfect one.

[@stumpy1146]

@@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fh nope what? How is that wrong?

[@stumpy1146]

@@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fh I don't live in space. . .

[@stumpy1146]

@@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fh Because other people have. . . How do you NOT know, is the more important question. You must be a flat earther. They generally don't know anything useful.

[@stumpy1146]

@@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fh Do you think that's the only way to check pressure?

[@stumpy1146]

@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fh No idea, I'm not a scientist or in a relevant field.

[@LordMekenshi]

Honestly if he calls back again I hope the host ask where he did this research. Im actually really curious what he looked at, and I highly doubt its PhD level textbooks that are more obscure math symbols than words.

[@janicebeams2389]

Google

[@janicebeams2389]

All that is important is that David knows what he is talking about. If all you can do is repeat what you read, you are nothing more than a highly evolved parrot.

[@MrPinksViolin]

David never gets tired of being incredibly wrong.

[@tosuchino6465]

David's balloon analogy could be valid if he could show that the assumption underlying the analogy holds. The analogy describes the interaction between the pressures inside and outside this universe, which implies that it is assumed that the same laws of thermodynamics govern the realm outside this universe as they do this one. Since we have no data on anything outside this universe, it is impossible to prove the veracity of this assumption. This is where his analogy fails, since it remains to be just another unsubstantiated claim.

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

David: Without extensive educational background and experience in a given subject, a person isn't able to suss out what is, or could be, wrong. Simply put, you're not equipped to interpret the evidence and/or discussion on the topic. Also 'physics' isn't a unit of measurement.

[@janicebeams2389]

Yes, I is.

[@shanewilson7994]

David, you don't know anything about physics. And you claim dark energy or dark matter don't exist, that's a claim you really need to support. As well as the rest of your point 1.

[@janicebeams2389]

Peter Pan is real. Until you can prove he doesn't exist. Neither I nor anyone else has any obligation to believe anything else you say.

[@KarlBunker]

Sometimes the really stupid ones are entertaining. Not this time.

[@paranoidandroid6711]

Beep Bop Boop. Please adjust your tinfoil hat for better reception.

[@arthurunknown8972]

Troller or delusional?

[@janicebeams4809]

Genius

[@AlfaSpiderS3]

@@janicebeams4809 🤣🤣🤣

[@suburban-vampire]

​@@janicebeams4809yes David, you are a genius and definitely not a stupid.

[@joelinbody9949]

Is David for real?

[@janicebeams4809]

Can't get any more real. If you understood physics instead of just operating on faith, you would know that.

[@joelinbody9949]

​@@janicebeams4809 You're joking, right?

[@janicebeams4809]

@@joelinbody9949 No

[@queuecee]

​@@joelinbody9949Janice is the caller.😂

[@adithyarajchoorikat9904]

why dont he do 16 hrs of cursory research on bible? He will definitely be an atheist. It is easy to inflate a baloon with vaccum cleaner too. Dunning Kruger at its peak

[@janicebeams4809]

David has thousands of hours in the Bible.

[@AlfaSpiderS3]

@@janicebeams4809 That´s what´s wrong with him then.

[@janicebeams4809]

@@AlfaSpiderS3 Au contraire! That's what's right and puts him ahead of the experts. The experts are limited by creative lying. David has no limits.

[@AlfaSpiderS3]

@@janicebeams4809 I guess you’re right. Davids, and other religious retardz, lying has no limit. If you think a 2000 year old book trumps modern, actual science, I can’t help you. You need more than I can provide.

[@suburban-vampire]

​@@janicebeams4809David, it's not OK to pretend to be someone else when you're online...

[@chriskelly3481]

🤷🏼‍♂️ Stream of consciousness jibberish can be dismissed out of hand.

[@fusionfan6883]

So physicists who spend their life learning their craft and David has been to YT University,hmmmm I wonder which I trust?! I am a popular science fan and have read a lot around cosmology, but I know my limitations and am humble enough to understand that my knowledge pales compared to real physicists. For example, I bet David could not produce any of the math to counter the prevailing science, so he is basically a theist who has mixed a very big bowl of word salad composed in large measure of his incredulity and theistic arrogance. I heard him on a previous call and this one just confirms what a fool he is.

[@janicebeams2389]

If you are limited and not able to think on a cosmologist level, how is it you can judge someone like David who is on a higher level than the consensus?

[@fusionfan6883]

@@janicebeams2389 Are you being ironic?

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

@@fusionfan6883 David is disabled. He suffers from Crippling Dunning-Krugerism. It's so sad!

[@davidallen111]

David is making a classification error. The rules of one class of objects cannot be assumed to apply to another class of objects. The laws of physics for subattomic particles are different than the laws of physics that apply to atoms and molecules. The laws of physics that apply to atoms and molecules are different to the laws of physics that apply to solar systems and galaxies. We have no way of telling whether or not the laws of physics that apply to solar systems and galaxies are relevant to the laws of physics that apply to the universe as a whole. The universe is a different class of object than the class of objects contained in the universe. So the balloon analogy is meaningless.

[@cameronroot]

Prank callers are so annoying.

[@philpaine3068]

16 hours of "cursory research!!! You can't even learn how to weld with that.

[@UngoogleableMan]

Janice Beams isn't here yet spouting his egotistical nonsense??

[@benjaminmadrigalperez9010]

I believe he is using Top dawg now.

[@janicebeams2389]

You're a bully.

[@topdawg3359]

Johnny you sound nothing like macho man Randy savage

[@smochygrice465]

🥰😇👺🙏

[@complexeddrummer]

This guy has absolutely no clue what he's talking about. Like, literally nothing. Everything he's said is wrong. He learned words, not what they mean, not what ideas he's representing. None of it. He has a basic understanding of the English language and pretty much nothing else.

[@christosardjono6016]

David is not really bright is he not

[@topdawg3359]

Cynthia sounds like Michael lol a little just no HEE HEEE!!! ALLEGEDLY Don't BE IGNORANT!!!

[@UngoogleableMan]

Who's Michael and what the fuck did you even say after that part?

[@topdawg3359]

@@UngoogleableMan sorry you must be very young. A pop music artist from long ago. Its a joke

[@UngoogleableMan]

@@topdawg3359 oh okay. Well no not young, just not in to pop music.

[@janicebeams4809]

Can you inflate a balloon to zero pressure? A kindergartener could answer that question but for some reason the adults of Talk Heathen cannot. Name anything at all you can inflate to zero pressure. Anyone?

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

The universe.

[@janicebeams4809]

@@toughenupfluffy7294 How sweet! We finally got a kindergartener who could answer it.

[@suburban-vampire]

I'm just here to say David is definitely not stupid LOL

[@topdawg3359]

The atheist shows are taking the same time slots just FYI. Please consider contacting each other. If you are trying to reach a common goal. I'd rather listen to a live show but this is fine.

[@SaurianSoul]

The other shows are for profit and largely people that left the ACA. They aren’t going to concede their time slots for a non profit that pissed them off.

[@topdawg3359]

@@SaurianSoul I don't see anything wrong with being compensated for good work. Slavery is wrong. I sure wish I could argue that topic about the Bible it's a hard topic.

[@ookeekthelibrarian]

@@topdawg3359 Are you David aka Janice Beams?

[@topdawg3359]

@@ookeekthelibrarian I'm nobody invisible

[@ookeekthelibrarian]

@@topdawg3359 So that's a yes then David.

[@vegass04]

This was brutal..

[@janicebeams4809]

Absolutely

[@melodygarrison7531]

David I just can’t listen to you 😢