David Dobrik: A Lesson for Creators

Today on the show we address the fall out surrounding David Dobrik and the allegations against members of the Vlog Squad. For more context check the links below:
00:00 Intro
01:03 Initial Reactions
02:45 Accountability
04:54 Industry Coverage
05:08 Checkpoints for creators
06:18 Addressing Toxic Masculinity
09:09 Key Takeaways
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[@LoganAllec]

This is why I create videos about taxes and credit cards.

[@NaveedHaque]

And this is why I'm following your footsteps!

[@GerardoTostado]

The internet community needs more of you

[@mo-hammadabunaser1367]

The smoothest self plug.. nice

[@Lui_Sincara]

lol, keep it up

[@DaveConrey]

Colin keeps saying, “When you turn the camera on,” but that is irresponsible as well. The awareness and accountability starts as soon as anyone walks into the room, before, during, and after filming.

[@INSPIREFLIX]

And also just in everyday life too. Not just on set.

[@MattMurley]

I think what Colin meant was that after you turn the camera on, you're "the adult" to your entire audience. Of course, you're right that values, integrity, ethics, accountability, and whatever-else does have to be considered at all times and not just when the camera is rolling, but when the camera is rolling, it gets amplified because you're an example for so many more impressionable people than just the ones in the room with you.

[@JDWitherspoon]

Oh wow....I really did not expect y’all to speak on this situation

[@JDWitherspoon]

The thing about this situation is it’s not surprising at all. David is just one of many specific types of “creators” that’s go unchecked for way too long, similar to Jake/Logan/Pewdiepie/GameGrumps/Shane etc they all have one thing in common, and that’s privilege. Also no one personally checks them due to the fact that they feed their friend groups. David wouldn’t need HR or Checks & Balances if he just used common sense. No disrespect but let’s all be honest, David is not a talented young man, he’s a smart young man who cultivated talent around him and recorded it, but he’s been this person since the Vine days, and even used his interracial relationship with Liza Koshy to get away with his racist/misogynistic behavior. Him thinking this environment & the content he created was ever okay to record and then post online in the first place is the main issue.

[@Hajdew]

@@JDWitherspoon piewdiepie changed long time ago. So adding him to this group is kidna not at the place.

[@JDWitherspoon]

@@Hajdew that’s ur opinion, pewdiepie only cleaned up his image for his viewers. Who he chooses to be behind the scenes still remains.

[@Infinite_exhilaration]

I would also argue that Logan used to be a piece of shit, but has now matured much more, acts more like an adult and responsible creator, I actually enjoy his content now, especially his enthusiasm for collecting Pokémon Cards, completely filled me full of nostalgia

[@sisamusudroka3000]

@@JDWitherspoon damn bro, chill. People can change you know

[@alixqureshi]

Love that you guys covered this and that too from a very constructive angle. Great work!

[@parthoroy5044]

Right

[@nehamittal906]

Been waiting for this one Edit: Totally agree with what they said about the set ending. Same thing happened with Logan Paul in the suicide forest. Too engrossed in their media to not even realize the problem they were promoting consistently

[@mo-hammadabunaser1367]

He is an adult, young? yes, but still he has to take responsibility and know what lines not to cross, especially when it comes to rape and sexual assault

[@jaredwatney]

Super well addressed and as a creator I learned from what you just said. Thank you.

[@kaleysorensen]

There was an adult in the room... his filming partner.. a 45 year old father .. its crazy that he was part of most of these problematic "pranks" as well

[@parin6193]

He actually wasn’t in the room, he and Trisha Paytas left before anything weird went down

[@EbubeUbochi]

As a consistent viewer of this channel's content and a student of you guys' work, I've been thinking a lot about the discussions we've had here about David Dobrik being somewhat of a flag bearer for what creator entrepreneurship can look like. I've definitely been rooting for him a lot more in recent times so this news has brought a lot of mixed feelings to say the least, and I've been wondering what you guys' thoughts might be. I'm glad you've brought them to the table and I hope that above all, this teaches us all responsibility, emotional intelligence, and EMPATHY. We should all learn from this.

[@GerardoTostado]

I think it’s about responsibility. Not just a filter. You are what you create. What has happened with creators is that they do whatever they can to “make it”. They are over the top, they lose respect, integrity, and self awareness in order to generate an audience. It’s a cycle. Creator needs to be held accountable.

[@wokeil]

Also teach children what kind of content is realistic and "wholesome" rather than fake and exploitative

[@GerardoTostado]

@@wokeil right. It’s not about selling kids the dream of be a creator and do wtvr you want. No there’s need to be a code of ethics just like any other industry. Yo until now that hasn’t existed and it’s been exploited over and over.

[@tawsifakkas]

As soon as the entire thing unfolded, I immediately thought of you two. Because you have covered David Dobrik at length over the years and I wondered if you will touch on this seemingly "sensitive" issue. I must say, I am so proud that you have. We are all learning - and evolving - and it's only through having these conversations can the creator community benefit as a whole and move the ticker to the right direction. Keep flying the flag for us creators.

[@juliaromanholi3120]

It's not only about "where the set begins and where it ends". It's not his responsability because he had his camera on. It's about being the kind of person that thinks it's ok to get a girl drunk so your friend can have sex with her.

[@zarak687]

Yes. This!

[@anthonyshipps2032]

You can offer alcohol to someone to get them to loosen up for more then s**. Sometime it just helps people loosen up and be more social. I'm pretty sure he wasnt trying to get the girls drunk so Dom could get laid. I'm pretty sure it seemed awkward and he tried to make it less awkward for the girls by letting them have some drinks, that they did not have to drink. It doesnt excuse what Dom did

[@CephalopodsArePeople]

@@anthonyshipps2032 They were underage. In no professional production setting do you offer alcohol to your talent without extreme duty of care and a ton of legal documentation. These were grown men taking advantage of underage women and they were sexually assaulted because of it. Do not keep excusing this disgusting environment that was created by Dobrik. It’s evident in most of his content.

[@rehatbir.]

I don't think bringing an adult in the room really changes anything. David and the vlog squad ARE adults. The point is the lack of maturity due to the immersive nature of the social media industry. Content content and more content makes you narrow minded. The one thing common with the Pauls and vlog squad is the privilege. The privilege of knowing that whatever they do there would be no consequences.

[@GerardoTostado]

Exactly. There’s no accountability. It’s a dream world with no ethics. Ethics are important in any industry. I would say it’s the most important. Trying to build something without having the government directly involved with regulating every part is possible but it’s not possible without a code of ethics.

[@asmakhan271]

It's not privilege per se as much as it is a state of mind. They THINK they are untouchable. But I mean they all did get cancelled after all. Its psychological.

[@rehatbir.]

@@asmakhan271 thinking you are "untouchable" is privilege

[@someplayer1402]

Love the Seek Discomfort merch YES Theory is doing great

[@ramatherebel]

Yaas

[@unitedmarcus8731]

They're so genuine love em ❤️

[@dylxn4327]

Man you guys have the quality of a top tier channel, the amount of people that dont know about Colin and Samir is genuinely sad

[@MyEClassinBytes]

I totally agree with you... they should have a million subs

[@kendrickw4968]

Love how you covered this guys, keep up the good work!

[@JohnnyUtah269]

Where is colins jacket from?

[@patrickdavis9209]

I think the WSJ's article on PewDiePie a few years ago that kicked off the 'adpocalypse' was an eye opening to KZbin as a company that if they didn't begin to work on accountability and begin to force creators to do so, the cultural problems would not improve.

[@ptpanashe9]

So true.KZbin has to find a balance between conduct ethics & business ethics.Every creator no matter how big must have an ethics guideline to follow

[@emmfan09]

I think it was important for y’all to cover this since you talk so much about him in your videos. Great use of a video to address the full culture of KZbin/digital creator space.

[@AntonWongVideo]

Yeah, I think it's important for people in any profession (but especially a media profession where you reach thousands and millions of people) to check their power and ambitions. See to it that you're not fostering an environment that is destructive to people. Try to also get people to keep you in check, not just "yes-people". I think empathy plays a key role in understanding what knock-on effects your decisions and actions can make on others

[@patrickdubois7692]

thank you for starting this discussion ... please continue as I have my son (who's interested in creating youtube content) watching and learning

[@AmritaBhortake]

Colin and Samir, thanks so much for opening this conversation on your channel. I think it important to talk about this. If you are a creator that is running a business and has people come on videos to create content, it becomes your responsibility on what kind of work environment you are creating. Because that is what it is. It might not look like a traditional job, but it is a job. You are getting paid for it. Also, being a young creator doesn't excuse you from this responsibility because you cannot have it both ways. You cannot have fame and success without thinking about how your actions or someone else's actions are affecting people while they are on your set.

[@RCodyWanner]

i've been thinking about this non-stop, thanks so much for this conversation

[@DrewLytle]

You guys are awesome for covering this. Think the set analogy and the conversation about responsibility is so important. I also think it's important to start having conversations about processes that make this unable to happen in the future. Culture is driven by behavior so we need to change the systems and actions that are acceptable as creators make stuff.

[@katarinamarinkovic8661]

I think there is no better duo to cover a topic like this one, since what David is going through is a perfect chance to showcase that even when at their biggest, creators might stumble. The educational part of the creator economy really has something to take from this whole situation and you guys explained it very well!

[@anabanana7254]

Loved the video! Can u talk about the rise in KZbinrs that are actors?

[@Scrivs]

In essence, what we're seeing today is the same dynamic that happened with child stars in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Fame hits you fast, even faster in today's world, and there is no transition period (teenager to adulthood for the rest of us) to manage it. Because your feedback loop in life is based on algorithms and likes, that's where you begin to set your moral compass. If I'm getting tons of views then it must be okay what I'm doing. I'm not sure how to correct this for the younger crowd but it's something that should continue to be discussed.

[@HollyHargreaves]

I'm surprised you guys covered this topic. But glad you did.

[@SuperMustache555]

I was wondering if y'all were gonna talk about this... excited to hear your thoughts

[@SuperMustache555]

really glad you spoke about this, i think you guys presented a great holistic perspective to the conversation

[@prcr364]

They’ve been doing the Colin and samir show on the main channel for a while now, it’s been a while since the the traditional videos. It must take a lot more time to make those type of videos. Is this a better video format for them? Will their channel actually grow with these podcasts? I feel like it would kill the watch time, even with an enticing topic with a high CTR.

[@jessquattrini]

Thank you for speaking on this subject with so much humility and candor.

[@dabi_]

I feel like your thoughts on the power and responsibility of ethical creation was some of the most resonant stuff you guys have ever talked about. Really loved this video a lot, because it’s a video where one could totally change how they approach KZbin and say “it was because of this one video I watched, that I do some of these things I’m doing now”. For me personally, the idea of creating good stuff was at the forefront - but now it shifts to, “if I influence someone, how so?” Thanks for your honesty and your insightful thoughts.

[@alexandyulie]

was wondering if you would address it

[@sseif9231]

What’s your thoughts on those bullying KZbin pranks? Shouldn’t there be a mechanism through which KZbin can prevent such acts from being monetized?

[@lavender2956]

what happened with the breakdown?

[@ColinandSamir]

It'll be back

[@alichehab5804]

Love the vids as always

[@gracebanyan1160]

This is somehow one of the only interviews I hadn’t watched yet, and the one that hits closest to home. Trauma informed business plans are a great way to start opening up internal company dialogue to create values that align with your team and clients needs.

[@JacksonPriceSonder]

Great video !

[@MigsWasTaken]

This might’ve been your most important video yet! Thanks

[@JonJosephKuhn]

I just let my kids, (11 and 12) listen to this. This is a super important message.

[@rishabhgandhi5737]

As someone who really likes what both of you do, and the content you guys create regarding creator community, I think it's really important going forward you call a spade a spade. You guys should call out toxic behaviour of the creator / influencer community. The deep dive videos of a specific creator ,you do should cover the toxicity they might be creating. As you know it s just not about the financial aspect of creators, it should also come to moral responsibility. You guys are one of the few sensible voices on internet and I think you guys should own it. I believe that you do seem like people who can see through a lot of crap the influencers do.

[@stasekerl8283]

Great work, keep it up💪

[@respect386]

Thanks for talking about this tough subject. No amount of on-screen success excuses bad/dangerous behavior, which in this case was criminal. The content that made David successful, as well as Logan Paul and other click-bait content channels, is such a huge underlying cause of this bad culture. If culture is ignored, which it was in this case (and let’s be honest, it typically is ignored), then events like this will happen because no one cares, like you pointed out in the video. We need to have a serious discussion about the risk “Shock-and-awe” content creates for everyone involved, because something like this is likely to happen again if things stay the same. Really hope creators can start to value culture more.

[@TheVictorLoyiso]

Dang, didn’t even know about this till now 😩

[@FerdinandZebua]

Putting firm lines on the ground regarding ethics & social toxicity _is good._ Colin & Samir making a video on this topic, considering how closely they've covered Dobrik & Dobrik's community on this channel is not only unavoidable in this situation, it is also the right thing to do. Each person are free to form their own opinions but in the end (and I'm not being sarcastic here), We Live In A Society. --- What is *_not_* cool though, folks, is: • mob justice, • trial by the press, and • stepping over the authority of the Court of Law. Leave the criminal justice system to the criminal justice system. If you wanna go vigilante then frickin' go to Mad Max world or something. Whether your "vote" goes "guilty" or "not guilty", unless you're _literally_ the investigating officer or the court-appointed prosecutor in this case, then _you don't_ get to prosecute this. Leave the Law to the Law. And if the parties affected by this issue chose not to go to court (so long as the state apparatus decides there are no prosecutable criminal offense) then it is fully their choice, and fully within their rights, as well.

[@craolta]

Been learning from the best over the last number of years and so happy to have the influence of guys like you, Yestheory, Dan Mace, Casey Neistat, Peter McKinnon and so many others 😃

[@marlena44mm44]

I am so pleased to see you guys talking about this and elevating it as an ongoing discussion that needs to be had and one that bigger creators like Dobrik have not only a responsibility but an opportunity to make better content that is not necessarily measured by views but by values (lol sorry I couldn’t resist the alliteration). I also really appreciate Colin addressing the wider context of toxic masculinity and how men themselves need to take responsibility and ownership over the spaces they create and dominate from a sports field to a trending page. And in the vein of taking responsibility, I also want to take responsibility for enjoying those videos. Because I did. We all did. They were fun because they were edited to make it seem so. To make it seem like we were all friends in on a salacious joke. And honestly it really sucks being a woman and realizing how naive I was to enjoy those videos and be complicit in other women’s harm by incentivizing content with my viewership that I knew deep down was not really, truly right. There was a cost, a very real, very grave one, paid by those survivors for all the laughs and joy David’s videos brought to us. And it’s time we the audience face ourselves and our choices. It’s a two-way street between creators and their audiences. It always has been and it’s never been more important to recognize that now. Thanks guys for opening up the discussion on this.

[@asmakhan271]

You guys should be subscribed to in the millions, awesome content!

[@NigerianKitchen]

This was really well tackled. It's great when people can be self reflective and think about lessons learnt for everyone rather than flagellating other people

[@someplayer1402]

Really appreciate your videos guys the effort is clearly visible good luck for your YT journey

[@tabeazoe8372]

Wow, I loved this reflection on this situation and agree 100%

[@MyEClassinBytes]

Being an influencer is a type of power that can be intoxicating. I think David Dobrik felt so powerful that he thought he could get away with anything. But nothing is absolute, even freedom...

[@GoncaloOceanTech]

Great channel, you'll get far in this plataform 👌

[@1110karin]

It's more important what happens when the cameras are NOT rolling since allegation can be substantiated 100% if on film otherwise it's a he said she said dilemma.

[@yazznba]

One of the best podcasts yet..

[@pyvexkot]

Colin and Samir really be posting in the future

[@robertwhite8106]

On a completely unrelated note, I dig the 10-12 min length videos.

[@thestitchguy8115]

This video gave really good insights this might not be the time to mention it, but the fact that your mics didn't have some type of pop filter or something took me out of the video because of some of the characteristics of the audio

[@GerardoTostado]

You are what you create. Content for the sake of content isn’t an excuse for any of this. What you create defines you. That’s why selling out would be frowned upon in the past because once you did that you lost yourself. You are someone’s puppet and don’t stand for your own beliefs. Now people see it as “getting the bag” and “doing you”. Content for the sale of content doesn’t deserve the power it has been given. Diluting the minds of children(which is by far the major audience) is the effect. Losing a sense of integrity and pride for what you do and what you stand for just for the sake of content isn’t right. What you create defines you. There’s is no line there. No boundaries.

[@benlisi840]

Great video.

[@questionablyrobert]

COLIN AND SAMIR I LOVE YALL

[@ZainRiza]

I’ve never been one to boycott someone for their mistakes but this scandal is not a one-off. It’s who he is and how he’s always operated. If we truly care about moving on, we have to be far more proactive and step in far earlier. Trisha and other victims had calling for this for years but for whatever reason only now he’s making apologies because brands are dropping him, but honestly it’s just too little too late on everyone’s part.

[@ibraheem.j5862]

Great video. Not hating but just want to provide some constructive criticism. I think you guys have great pwrsonqlires, great production, great ideas etc. You guy's have been working so hard in this channel for as long as I can remember. But to be frank, your growth isn't very reflective of the high quality videos you produce. Your likes to view ratio are low, new subscription have clearly not been coming in and so much more is going the wrong direction. I have thought hard about why one of my favorite creator's channel is performing so poorly and came to this conclusion- you guy's talk way too much about creator's. I know you've kinda built your brand around the "creator economy" but you have to understand creator's make a very small portion of your audience. I believe if you diversify the topics that you cover and the style of content you create, then you will see much prominent growth. The truth is if you want to grow and keep your channel alive, you need to ease the pedal on the creator videos (meaning diversify topics that general audiences can relate to and enjoy). Wish you the best and thanks for an impactful video

[@VahidNesro]

I would love it if you guys were in the same shot again

[@Gheuko]

I was expecting this video

[@REVIEWSONTHERUN]

Interesting! Nice video. ✌️

[@Hamzakhan-dt3gv]

Interesting video

[@nexusyang4832]

"with great power comes great responsibilities."

[@hannahsadler2683]

I don't want to criticize you, becaue I agree with what you said. However, from a female perspective, I feel like you should have included a woman in this conversation. It is a conversation about sexual assault, which all women are familiar with one way or another. We have a right to be at that table as much as the men, in fact, more so than men.

[@noahmuniz4711]

Im gald u are talking about this

[@alichehab5804]

Didn’t expect this video

[@uroojusmani5697]

Put this on trending pageeee✨

[@WillBarker]

I worry these kinds of situations aren't going away any time soon. Harvey Weinstein happened with 1000's of HR employees and decades of checks and balances because the power dynamic trickles down when everyone relies on the person at the top. The power dynamic is always going to be there and there are even more issues with David that wasn't even talked about, like the Seth situation. The most powerful force in the equation I think is the people and we wouldn't be here if we didn't amplify the voices of the victims. Also I'm going to try and write smaller comments from now on. Sorry I am an essay andy at heart, can't help it sometimes.

[@uroojusmani5697]

Facts👏

[@shellycarmel]

Colin's jacket id?

[@benrekosh6379]

Well said guys

[@nisargpatel1093]

Love this extremely tangible and constructive look at this horrible series of incidents! As the industry progresses, it’s infrastructure that governs the end to end process of content creation definitely needs to grow as well.

[@christaininchrist]

Asking as a friend. Why would someone wear two rings on separate ring fingers?

[@andersonmanset5707]

Talk about TLN and Lax

[@aditijain4396]

I appreciate that you two are not jumping on the band wagon to spread hate, instead are being reflective on how things to need to change in the future.

[@SpaceDroplet]

Feel like you should have touched on the wider issues as it wasn't a one off bad event

[@_Askeladden_]

You legends!

[@mamercier10]

A really tragic topic to think about...

[@roberto-maddaloni]

Although I don’t agree with the term “toxic masculinity” because it triggers the idea in mind that all masculinity is toxic, I agree with both Colin and Samir that influencers need to understand the power dynamics that come from an enormous reach and that it shouldn’t be abused. I mean abusing power/influence to abuse a person is just disgusting.

[@ThamerKhatib]

Pretty accurate!

[@MyFundeFX]

Great

[@EzzatErfan]

not that I don’t enjoyed The Colin & Samir Show,but I miss the car conversations..If you catch my drift.....

[@tompottiger]

I’m glad you guys talked about this from your perspective but to only link David’s two apologies & one Philly d show for context is kinda lame. I understand you guys are David fan boys & may not like H3 but they gave tons of context & interviews with people involved. Also David has a team of lawyers and management I don’t know if having an adult would make any difference.

[@anthonyshipps2032]

H3 didnt do it for the victim. Trisha herself touched a minor inappropriately so if he really cared about SA, Trisha wouldnt be working with them and they would be giving the same type of energy towards her instead of allowing her to profit from this situation. Also during David's 2nd apology to the victims Trisha makes it about herself and how she didnt get an apology. How self centered do you have to be to watch someone apologize to victims of SA and make it about you...someone who has committed SA? When she said that it proved it's not about SA or the victims it's about Trisha still mad she got dumped and dropped from the group.

[@razabadass]

Thanks :)

[@nooeffingway]

clutch

[@benlandry5]

I think this should make us reflect about sexual education. What are the threshold and boundaries to consent and sexual assault? At the moment, it is super vague what it means to sexual assault someone. And the current point of views of many men these days is to limit iteration with women, and therefore reduce probability of sexual assault cases happening. But this isn’t solid strategy. Question: what does it mean to perform sexual assault?

[@nosburndrew9675]

Have a look at TheAsherShow

[@ltmesq]

Wonder how Dobrik is gonna make his $40k a month mortgage payments

[@dustinc.t.morris9575]

Isn't Jason Nash an adult who was in that room? Isn't he usually in most of the rooms that David is in when he pulls these pranks? Also, why are we not talking about Dom too?

[@anthonyshipps2032]

No the only ones in the room was the victim, Dom, and her friend who took part in it but for some reason she got to remain anonymous even though she was apart of the act.

[@dustinc.t.morris9575]

@@anthonyshipps2032 yeah, the anonymity of the third person in the room really has nothing to do with my point.

[@venkatnarahari]

Reminds me of AIB in india

[@ayushsonar8595]

Colin is wearing seek discomfort

[@tanveechoudhary1838]

I just wanna say that when people on internet try to take the moral high ground please know that all you guys are nothing but a mass opinion. Idk, where it starts from but legit someone tells you what to think and you think that. I still remember when David entered Logan’s house and made a joke about his scandal with his ex fling and people thought that was okay. All of what has come out was out in public for years, now all of a sudden we as internet have decided to hate on it. Of course he thought his behaviour was fine because he was rewarded for it. Next time when something like this comes out we should hold ourselves accountable a little bit as well.

[@lennardschlor3183]

love that you guys bring toxic masculinity on the table, in my opinion a very big problem in many parts of our life.

[@RexDogDelivers]

Video #3. Just so you know I was dead serious. Let`s see what your take is on the DD story. I have my opinions.

[@saadallahhamza1049]

the yes theory merch tho