Why Have Pinarello and Cervelo Made Mountain Bikes?

[@tabs9655]

More XC and MTB, bored of the same mega expensive road and gravel bikes

[@Siblove7]

Yes, now we can obsess about mega expensive mountainbikes as well!

[@harimathur2191]

Demand supply. Now MTB will be infected by raise in price 😢

[@msagoo29]

It's also worth mentioning how the Decathlon budget brand bike, the 'Rockrider', got 2nd in the men's elite XCO. It also featured budget TRP brakes, albeit in a different colour way. Impressive.

[@Bonky-wonky]

Even bigger news if you ask me. Let’s hope Decathlon will shake things up in the mtb world.

[@capncotter1]

TRP isn’t really “budget” IMO… they are the high end version of Tektro and really nice pieces of kit.

[@snigs5T5]

Mountain biker here that wanted to get into gravel for the shoulder seasons here in CO, USA. Started watching your channel because you spoke my language: get a real ride not a race bike. Love that you advocate for 1X and have shown that gravel bikes can do it all! In fact, bought a Giant Revolt A1 with SRAM XPLR based on your recommendations (I'll be riding the Double Bypass gran fondo on it this July). THX, David!

[@davidarthur]

😎👍

[@tony5269]

@@davidarthur wicked Pissah Cool Video nice to see you doing mtb. Enjoying watching your videos across the pond in Boston area 😁

[@silvanandermatt1096]

Was there a time where MTB was not cool or does it just need Pinarello and a Roadie competing in XC? 😂😂😂

[@Andy-co6pn]

Pretty sure T.P. considers himself a Mountain biker who also rides road

[@5amba]

exactly my thoughts…

[@stinkybeam]

I found MTB always more attractive than road race. You road bike people just start watch MTB race because of Tom Pidcock, but before Pidcock MTB race is more interesting already.

[@Paganiproductions84]

i have watched my mtb before the Pidcock and Mvp era

[@nyyyco]

I gotta give the longer races a shot. But damn I watched the Shorttrack XCO after the giro on the weekend and was bored senseless. Nothing happened until the latter half of the very last lap. And that's saying something being at least somewhat entertained by watching the giro

[@galenkehler]

MTB short track races have gotten a lot better tv coverage recently. Used to be not the case

[@TopseyKretts]

..Well, i thought the Pinarello was lovely looking, but i bet it will cost a small fortune...for me,great to see some MTB content,on the channel..cheers David..

[@NoBrakes23]

Pleasant surprise finding some XC content on one of my favorite gravel/road channels. Look forward to more.

[@perseverance86]

Just watched the races from the weekend and they are super exciting. The all out style of racing is insane!

[@grandpashreddypants]

It's really fun and accessible as a beginner too. Jump into category 3 and you'll be hooked.

[@feedbackzaloop]

Contrary to the title MTB were never uncool

[@feedbackzaloop]

@TCaad10 I think you are mixing up cool and fashionable

[@MarioXcore1]

@@tcaad1028 gravel has always been cringe compare to mtb

[@davidyoung-nb2pu]

at 63 I've been riding xc mtb for the last 2 years, after many road years. my tip ro everyone is try it. it makes you stronger and improves your skills no end.

[@reformedknight7506]

Is it more fun for you ? I went back to MTB , I realized that I can do anything with MTB bike , commuting through the city , travel . Commuting with MTB is so easy and efficient , sidewalks , stairs etc , secret passages , it's fun to commute on MTB . and the best thing is to go to nature . enjoy trails and offroad without anyone riding a truck or bus behind or beside me :( ..

[@wss327]

Same here. At 58 I started eMTB. Crazy fun factor! Love it!

[@asquare9316]

Good for you, that's awesome. At 67, I've been riding mtb for the past 30+ years and it's been an amazing evolution from fully rigid bikes to full sus that really works. No eMTB for me, at least not yet. I'm putting that off for as long as possible.

[@wss327]

@@asquare9316 eMTB is the way forward especially for us old folks. You can still ride to power by attaching your bike computer to it. You just keep it in Trail mode even on the steeps so you can still get a great work out. But most importantly, I can do way more climbs and descents per session than if I were riding an analog MTB. I have been riding the Levo and love it but I find where I ride, I almost never use Turbo mode so I will trade in for the Levo SL. I try to get in at least 1000m vertical per session and the SLs have more than sufficient power and reviewers say at 17kg, it rides almost like an analog MTB. So they say... All I know is, the fun factor is off the charts.

[@asquare9316]

@@wss327 To each his own. As I said, not for me yet.

[@michaelbland2038]

You put up whatever content you want David its all great content, I ride roadbikes and mountain bikes so its a win win for me 😁🤙

[@ntglf467]

Living in Switzerland, I've never realized that MTB is getting "cool again", since there are so many pro Swiss male and female MTB riders like Schurter, Flückiger, Frei, Neff etc. which makes the sport here really popular

[@ilanpi]

I have heard that Switzerland has mountains. Maybe they have been less cool in The Netherlands :).

[@snigs5T5]

Cool again? Never stopped. 😃

[@snigs5T5]

@@veganpotterthevegan weird, I don't actually care about any of that and have been riding for over 30 years. But hey, I guess you have a different experience.

[@rah4981]

Fashion sheeps. Have to be told by others whats cool or not cool to ride. 😂

[@Andy-co6pn]

Yeah been a feature of Mountain biking for years unfortunately

[@rogercmerriman]

Bring on the MTB it is I think like you my first love and my MTB is my *best* bike even if it’s a bit old now! But still a too me amazing machine when I can get it out to ride it somewhere! Which is also why I like Gravel bikes as that is my workhorse as that I can ride from the house.

[@TheGroupRide]

We all know the Cervelo is actually a Santa Cruz Blur. Pon Holding purchased Santa Cruz and just repainted the Blur. Which is fine, it's a great bike.

[@morrisizing]

Mountain biking has been great to watch for quite a while.

[@ElevationEveryWeekend]

It’s been pretty hot for many years now IMO, the coverage on Red Bull was really good and looks like that is continuing this year. The women’s field is where it’s at too! I think the Epic series has really helped push cross over in the sport as well. Looking at the podiums (woman’s too) should show why Pinarello finally got in the game. Their new bike looks really good. I’ll need to look at that Cervelo

[@dennisstempher9684]

Can't wait for the Canyon Lux review! Especially if this version has better small bump compliance than previous ones (or not)...

[@davesmeaton4137]

Great to see more xc bikes David, thank you ❤

[@livingsquare]

IMO, MTB is always cool. Most of the rider are skillful and strong hints it's a Mountain Bike that Climbing and descending is a essential discipline of this sport. A good MTBikers can be a good roadies but not all Roadies can be a MTBikers.

[@CaptainT8TR]

I love the yellow on the Cervelo, but let’s be honest. It’s just a rebranded Santa Cruz Blur. Still a great bike nonetheless.

[@andrewcharlesworth2512]

David keep the XC content going……. It’s gaining more interest especially with brits Tom and Evie doing well 😁

[@johnnyrocket1320]

Love all these new XC additions. I'm saving up for the new Orbea Oiz and a Transmission 😉

[@edmundhodgson2572]

The roadies who are getting into it have always been doing it! Probably why they're so good at the other disciplines.

[@laurradu868]

Nothing about the second place, Rockrider?

[@jeskli11]

I kinda see the point of the Epic WC. There are few courses of UCI level races, where a hardtail would be marginally faster than a full-sus. This bike being lighter closes that gap even more - on courses like Albstadt (most popular World Cup course for the choice of a HT) this bike with zero sag would climb pretty much like a hardtail with just a tiny weight penalty, but would be then, if not necessarily faster, at least more confidence inspiring in the descends. It's a bike made for the factory racing team, so price increase over a hardtail is not an issue. I imagine it also simplifies the choice of bike for a World Cup in terms of XCC, which is barely technical and an efficient hardtail would be quite an obvious choice, however, you must start in both XCC and XCO on the same frameset. Again, this bike being in efficiency terms almost a hardtail when suspension locked out and with design allowing to do that without risk of damage makes it very reasonable way. In this XCC and XCO same bike regard is the Cervélo LinkLock also an interesting concept, but it's clearly more fiddly to replace a link and a shock with a ridgid piece than to just turn a nob to turn a full suspension bike into a hardtail.

[@marcdaniels9079]

The reason is very simple: the same reason why BMW, Audi, Porsche VW etc and even Bently make 4x4s. It’s another massive market segment to be exploited if you already have a high cache brand name. It’s easier to enter this segment than try to gain small incremental sales volume increases in the existing segments. It’s been done already in the “Gravel” area as well as City, Cross blah blah blah you name it … just wait for the Marketers to invent and exploit a new segment.

[@markjones676]

Hello! Nice to see some Mtb content just the thing…look forward to seeing more very soon.

[@Thejeroencolman]

That Cervelo is actually a Santa Cruz Blur

[@brainthesizeofplanet]

linkage only - the rest of the frame is different, different geo and 200g less weight per frame

[@adammckinney6850]

Love the xc mountain bike coverage. Your review of the scott spark rc helped guide me to buying one. Iove the bike so far.

[@The_Rumpo_K1d]

I ride both road and MTB. MTB gives me the most enjoyment if im honest.

[@gregmorrison7320]

Long time MTB racer here, MTB has certainly changed a lot here in NZ, when I started racing in the early 90's our typical races (of which there were many all year round) were one big loop in often terrible conditions, mud, tree roots, mostly single trail with gravel connecting trails, races for the majority were over 3 hours long but the front of the field finished about 2 hours 45mins, probably a little long I thought as recovery was often incomplete before the next weekends race. Oh and we were on rigid bikes with rim brakes, I really liked the performance of the Marin Chromoly forks, then suspension forks started to appear mid to late 90's, disc brakes appeared late 90's. Then wise heads decided that we needed to start doing multi loop races to appeal to spectators, I never really enjoyed going round and round the same loops 6x and moved onto other things. MTB racing seemed to also fade away in numbers and then events from there and now adays there is the occasional schools race and the occasional race for adults but nothing regular and no where near the numbers of races, riders or interest that there was in the 90's, if races were the same format as back then I would still be racing MTB.

[@tonyvanhout2394]

Yes things have changed, less people racing and cost of bikes and events have gone up, NZ has changed

[@maxrep12]

It looks gorgeous too me - Dogma

[@gregweever5895]

More Mtb stuff please. You did good with it. Love it

[@Paddyhudson]

There are a couple other Canadian brands that have been making top level mountain bikes for decades. A Cervélo mountain bike would just be a more expensive, less proven alternative to these; just stay in your bike lane, Cervélo.

[@asquare9316]

We Are One bikes are actually made in Canada, as are their rims. It's an awesome bike company.

[@almathol]

More XC content please. Thanks

[@davidcarroll4150]

Awesome! Love your channel …. Watch everything when the ping comes in ….. especially love the XC MTB content …. Will be highly watched by me and many more. As a Giant bikes fan also keen to see more on those 😅

[@morrisizing]

Also worth noting the Cervelo is a reworked Santa Cruz Blur (another brand from Pon's stable), with a different geometry & cable routing.

[@coreymclernon]

And softer seat stays and a lighter frame. Plus it’s about $300 dollars less.

[@sung5366]

Manufacturers need XC bike because gravel bike riders are transitioning into XC riders

[@colonelk1429]

Giant were the pioneers of zero sag full sus xc bikes with the Giant NRS (complete with special rear shock designed for them by Renault F1 team). The NRS ceased production in 2005.

[@yonglingng5640]

Anything close to this today?

[@fud1376]

Pity its not on RedBullTV no more, The footage on youtube was Terrible,I never even watched it. 1st time in years...Gutted..Ha!

[@frienduro24]

GCN+ is the ticket

[@johnwedlake5543]

But the commentating was terrible at the weekend. Biggest mistake GCN made was not signing up Rob Warner, the voice of MTB. Him and Bart are a dream duo.

[@frienduro24]

@@johnwedlake5543 I don’t think they could. Redbull already has him under contract.

[@Masked_atatsuki]

XC AND MOUNTAIN KEEP GOING👍

[@docfink]

I have my mountain bike hanging in the garage waiting to hit the trails again as the group i previously rode with broke up. Now it’s primarily road and some gravel. I miss mountain biking and need to get back on that great Trek Fuel EX! Keep up all the great, mixed content, please!👍🏼

[@jimmylovesbikes]

I LOVE the look of this bike!

[@ondrejgrolmus5450]

Hey David, good to see some XC/XCO content on your channel, it is thumbs up from me :-) That would make you niche channel to watch I train on road bike love my gravel bike, but i race XC and there is no single channel i am aware of covering all! Cheers, Ondrej

[@tolitsdterrible4785]

It should be noted that Sagan started out his career as mtb racer. He was an under 23 champion. Pidcock and Van Del Poel started with cyclo-cross. So, they're not exactly "roadies".

[@sprintking1985]

So it’s becoming popular now because it’s in a good place - it has been like that for sometime thanks to Redbull MVP and Pidcock have been on the MTB scene for a few years - now thanks to Redbull and to the multi discipline riders it’s now “popular” UCI sells it to discovery so it can charge a subscription fee to watch the main event - well done for spoiling a good thing - knowing that the cost for the teams had increased to run a season I hope (but doubt it) the money Is given to those teams

[@co7013]

Yes and no. Yes, they are racing full out. But also, there is hardly any tactics. And that's what makes road racing interesting. It's not necessarily the strongest rider that wins. I actually find XC racing rather boring to look at. You're just waiting to see who turns out to be the strongest and who cracks firs or makes a mistake or has a flat tyre. Not saying that road racing can't be boring..

[@mrvwbug4423]

There are definitely some lower level pro XC racers wearing chest mount cameras during XC races. Syd & Macky come to mind.

[@b-manz]

My assumption for Pinarello naming is that Dogma is their top of the line monika. Like Audi RS or Merc AMG ??

[@mikecardwell6497]

I like the mtbike content I am thinking about one . I come from road mostly , but have gotten into gravel in the last year and love it . I have done several gravel races and do very well in my age group . I am thinking about Leadville , i will need a my bike for that .

[@darkness789]

The cervelo is the Santa Cruz blur people. Don’t be fooled they are owned by the same company. It’s just to get more money out of you

[@karlj711]

personally id like to see more XC MTB content on here. Every man & his dog just concentrate on road & gravel now to the point that they are all now the same.

[@narnosalimchannel7535]

Thank you for sharing videos that inspire success always..

[@asquare9316]

Why? Because they realized that mtb riding is the best kind of bike riding. Also, mtb is a trend, and they are cashing in on the trend.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Very timely video Dave, was thinking that myself watching the XCO over the weekend. I think it is the riders themselves that are making the sport more relevant and relatable for me ... a rusted on roadie.

[@gerlachsieders4578]

I suppose TJV's Milan Vader wil ride this new Cervelo, was it Vader in the promo photos?

[@alexkingaby9332]

What about the unreleased Rockrider it came 2e..the bike we can probably afford

[@Paganiproductions84]

At my local lbs plenty of hardtails still and sold and getting worked dumb move from specialized btw Puck Pieterse just now the main Elte Woman race whit a Canyon Lux i am also fuill time xc hardtail mountainbiker.And i really doubt that specialized concept similar to Trek SuperCaliber really will work.

[@slantedorbit]

It’s as if the industry decided to make a big push for xc all of a sudden. It seems a bit forced.

[@oOoACFREEMANoOo]

After 5years if gravel there's a new fad. Same thing happens in the 2000s.

[@the.communist]

Pinarello are taking too long to release the bike to the public, no good strategy. Cervelo are being more clever

[@escamunicha4276]

Pretty hard to win in an XCO event especially if you start at the back.

[@neilashton9459]

Good coverage and agree that World Cup MTB is excellent - IMO we have never had this level of variety in pro racing. You know there are women’s races too right? Its a little annoying how often media ignores this and like Cyclocross the competition is equally as good as the mens.

[@the.communist]

"Xc courses getting better n better"-lets just hope they dont turn into mini enduro courses

[@juanhidalgo7043]

Hi David, I think the bike is “Pinarello Dogma F” XC. I believe the name has to do with the quality of the carbon 1100. I think the bike is the sexiest bike. Nothing out there come even close to the look. The dogma is just sexy. I do agree with you have to look at the bike up close.

[@Pesmog]

I believe SR Suntour electronic suspension and adjustable rear shock top mount are the most important features on the Pinarello MTB as they allow significant adjustability in suspension dynamics, travel and geometry of the bike. Pinarello clearly view this as being most important, as perhaps surprisingly, the transmission remains cable operated.

[@diecycling]

I agree that Dogma XC is an uninspired name. I seem to recall the Pinarello Antelao was their mountain bike model in the late 80s, early 90s. I do like the cut-out.

[@walkerbikes8]

New specialized epic is a trek super caliber lmfao

[@topolino_0094]

Hope it comes with instructions on how to greet oncoming MTBers 😂

[@liamsharp6491]

Names on jerseys would make it better to watch!

[@Simon-Simon-Simon]

novo mesto was a little BLAND of a TRACK

[@garybrown5769]

It’s better because it’s starting too look less like wooden roadies on road bikes and more like enduro racers on trail bikes

[@Andy_ATB]

I wouldn't class Pidcock or MvdP as roadies; they're multi discipline riders who happen to ride on the road. Remco or Pogacar are roadies.....

[@michaelbeuoy4293]

Like many people I'm a cyclist, love the sport over all. As for the Pinarello I really like the way it looks!

[@trentvlak]

BMC Teamelite also is a soft tail with no sag.

[@coldforgedcowboy]

@David Arthur... What is the point of the linkage on an XC bike? Does the linkage improve lateral and torsional rigidity to the frame? Does the linkage add pedaling platform to counter act suspension bob or maybe all the linkage does is just hold up the rear shock? If you could contrast the difference in what the linkage is actually doing on the Pinarello and the Cervélo that would be great.

[@snigs5T5]

Linkage controls suspension rate and does provide additional stiffness. The linkage can be tuned to provide more progressivity (bottom out resistance) and mid-stroke support. The type of suspension seen on XC bikes typically does not provide a great deal of anti-squat (resistance to forces that cause pedal bob), but the shock can be tuned with some low speed compression to counteract this. For an XC bike, this is usually not a problem, as efficiency is prized over compliance, meaning closer to hardtail is ok.

[@AMPJ08]

what was not mentioned is the active suspension on the Pinarello that is the one feature giving great gains.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Looks like some kind of electronic system like Live Valve or Flight Attendant, but coming from SR Suntour (why Ineos would take SR Suntour as a suspension sponsor is beyond me, I'd expect them to have a super high end suspension like EXT or Push, or at least RS or Fox).

[@troyhiscock3984]

Today I was on real gravel..sharp and ruff..with my giant revolt..it sucked...mtb are 100 per cent better for off road..no comparison to my Norco fluid 1

[@patrikahlvik8607]

Good Looking Background (Bike)

[@stevesnailfish]

Good to see some mountain bikes for a change.....

[@malikh1963]

Yes, more mtb contain please

[@bigdarbs19]

Good content, cheers

[@mohamadjamil3164]

Thanks for the info, I am here for the road bike.

[@the_luki]

Trek supercaliber❤

[@NewPolishScientist]

I just bought canyon exceed. Medium frame comes with 175mm crank i dont know why not 172.5? What is yours crank length Dave?

[@Paganiproductions84]

175 mm cranks is mostly factory specs these days so you can push more power.

[@NewPolishScientist]

@@Paganiproductions84 thanks for info. Never used crank longer than 172.5 so hopefully will not affect on comfort

[@metalmtn]

MTB content 👍🏽

[@TC-hl1ws]

Long live mtb❤.

[@JackSmith-os8nm]

road is good but mtb is great

[@GFClocked]

Because mtb is much cooler than road, and they finally realized it. Better late than never 🦆

[@alolympic]

That Epic is Cinderella to the other two ugly sisters. I know which I would rather ride!

[@allangrant1326]

Are you serious…. Xc has always be great to watch Road cycling is a bore to watch

[@stefra8685]

To earn money...

[@MarioXcore1]

imagine not mountain biking, you guys are crazy late to the party

[@abedfo88]

I still prefer Cyclocross.

[@bikebudha01]

I am not sure why ANY brand makes a pure XC bike. XC mtb-ing has been dead for years now. Sure, there are a few xc races sprinkled here and there. (And I'm not even counting the 'pro' xc racing that no one cares about). Seems like the only readily available events are marathon style events like the Cascade Creampuff, Leadville, or True Grit (etc). Which are 99.9% done by 'average joes' out for a good time. Much better served by downcountry (ugh, bitter taste, BITTER TASTE with those words) style bikes. - True xc race weapons are built to abuse your body. Enduro bikes aren't meant to be peddled. Downcounty (blech term) is truly what mountain biking is all about. A reasonably lightweight, reasonably capable go-anywhere fun bike to ride..

[@torresguerra]

XC Bikes rules!!! 🚵

[@bubbastard]

Cervelo is obviously a re stickered SC Blur